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The third episode of Micro Melee! This one examines Falco's many ways to kill in melee. It was pretty hard to cut this down to a short video, so hopefully I did a decent job. Also, unfortunately I'm not able to do a video next sunday due to the Christmas holidays!
Shouts to Evan Oliver for helping with recording clips and my patrons on Patreon:
- Joseph Escobar
- Shadoninja
- Ludvig Joborn
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Personally, I prefer the Dair
Personally, I prefer *D-Air.*
Fixed it for you. 😉
(And yes, I do know the original reference.)
Omar G do you know how memes work?
Omar G lul. No. They die after weeks. When years go by. They become a classic. That’s why this comment has so many likes. Pls leave me alone
it worked on leffen
This is the type of content the melee community needs. Well produced, well informed, and very concise tutorials. Thank you for this series and macro melee!
Back in the day it was just "l2 wavedash" "frames" and "look at my tech skill out of context." You had to figure it out.
I meant to make a spreadsheet like that for years. Thankfully i put it off so long someone else did it for me. Work smart people, not hard.
I can’t even argue this LOL
Imagine if you worked smart and hard
Incompatible
"Some would argue Falco has no losing matchups."
Marth mains: "You FOOL. You IMBECILE."
Just strike FD lol
@@KlangfarbenmelodieEnjoyer ps2, Dreamland… But chaingrab is not really the problem… marth edgeguard falco like a mtf have multiple cheese that lead to a kill. He got awesome combo, falco have some problem to combo marth if we compare to fast faller (Still really good tho) Marth is a low risk high reward on falco, if he touch you once you can die really fast. 45/55 tho
@@elfamosocaribou5709 real, everytime I play against a marth they just f smash at ledge and I can't do anything lol
I died a little inside when I saw “Jab to bair” FeelsPpmdMan
God crouch cancel down tilt is so annoying. Fantastic video.
I love all your melee videos dude, super high production quality with worthwhile information. It's nice to see this much effort, good shit man.
Excellent video! Probably the most informative Melee Falco video, and very well produced.
Love the spreadsheet. Only recently followed this but the content has only been getting better. Keep it up!
love this micro series, thx from France
I love this quality content for players who aren't new to the game but not great either. This is immensely helpful for someone like me who has been playing for ~2.5 years. Thank you, & keep it up!
Really good content, dude. Really really helpful stuff here. I like this series better than SSBM tutorials vids honestly. You show better clips and stuff and help us apply things to our play.
aLow that’s awesome to hear dude, more videos coming soon! Unfortunately not next Sunday because I’m home for Christmas haha. But really glad you like it
Recently started to get into Melee competitively, thank you for this!
This is such a good video, keep it up!
This is a great video! Don't be afraid of making videos this long. I would sit around for a full ten minutes with this kind of information.
Pslamist SSB expect longer videos in the future!
Again super good Content. Well structured and enjoyable to watch even as a non-falco main. Keep it up! :)
Great video dude
this is extremely useful, great channel!
Great video man
It's really cool seeing the different play styles of the top falcos.
Ppmd and Westballz both use the Up tilt and Jab>Bair.
And Mango uses the D-tilt and up smash/fsmash.
Awesome video, please keep up the good work.
Been looking for something like this for a while now, thanks!
Amazing content man
Appreciate it man, trying to get better as falco
awesome videos man! I learn a bunch.
Piece of cake!
Your videos are gold.
How have i never found this? You're a god
Fantastic video. I really love your channel and I'm definitely going to become a Patreon.
YOOOO thx for the vids bro!!
Your vids are super helpful dude! Even if you don't play the character, you'll still get tons of info out of this, because you get know possible options your enemy might have.
Keep up the great content and btw, are you going to make a video about Fox kill setups?
slizzee maaaaaybe. Probably. I just have a lot of videos coming before that and I’m also a Falco main so it was easy to work on this one since I have years of experience.
Dude, just do literally anything into up smash
thanks for the vid and spreadsheet
Falco Up-smash out of shield changed my life
You are the melee tutorial master.
i feel personally attacked
Amazing Channel!
I just want to say that these videos are amazing! Always really high quality content. Also I'm not sure if you purposefully did this, but something I noticed is that I can watch the video without sound and still get 70% of the information, which I think is fantastic and really shows the amount of work you put into these. Keep it up!
Halcyon all I can say is nothing is a coincidence LOL. This video took over 20 hours, as I had to collect all the pro clips, find the percents, etc.
Awesome video! In addition to showing examples to the kill moves being used in real life example, could you show clips of how other characters might exploit their weak points? Just a suggestion I thought would be cool to see
Awesome video
Very good. Concise delivery.
Barry L. Gotta ask Shiz if I missed any ahaha
He'll just tell you that laser is the best kill option
0:44 Down Tilt
1:31 Up Smash
2:17 Jab to Dash Thru Back Air
4:21 Shine
4:37 Forward Smash
5:39 Grab Setups
5:59 The Rest
Hey man love the content super informative. Was wondering if you could make a video going over mindsets for setups through various percentage s
Steven Sihota not exactly sure what you mean by this. Mindsets for percentages?
6:00 OH NO. NOT FALCO TOO.
Any chance of seeing a video made like this for Peach? Not necessarily kill setups, but "Micro"-oriented content? I like what I see so far, keep up the good work!
the funny thing is that laser fsmash clip on leffen true combo'd
thank you :D
yo, thank you so much, this is my greates weakness as a falco main
im terrible at securing kills
Would it be possible to do some stuff on Samus? And this video is excellent as always!
Nice video. On the shine rule of thumb, I think it shouldn’t be used very often to combo floaties because it usually sends them too far up (it has more knockback than up tilt). There are some setups with shine like shine on a side platform on yoshis into shine kill off the top, this kills at lower percents than if you up tilt into shine off the top.
There’s also the other pros and cons of up tilt vs shine to consider
William Zen sort of. Shine has higher base knockback, but lower knockback growth, which is why it doesn’t kill very early. I agree with everything else you’re saying though lol, but I presented the info the way I did to shorten video
William Zen like there’s lots of little nuances between the two moves, but presenting all of them could easily have added a minute to an already long video haha
MichaelRadar lmao what are the nuances I only know what I wrote in my comment
William Zen well for starters, shine often combos into aerials, bair being the most common one. You can also shine and then shine again, which can setup for weird combos like shine, shine, up-b, lotsa shit haha I’m too tired to explain it all
as a player back in the day when melee came out, now comming back 6:09 felt sorta directed towards me because i checked a falco tutorial vid >.< but i know not to feel targeted because i already KNEW it was me. as a viewer of competitive melee for over 6 years xD PPMD and Westballz got me really interested in Falco. and mango is keeping the falco legacy alive
"Because you're already gonna be firing several lasers in the first place" LMAO give this man a medal XD
I was wondering if u can make a video about doing aerials back on stage from the ledge. I’ve been having lots of problems with getting back on stage safely these videos are great btw. Helping with my falco!
Albert Aguilar if you look, I actually have a video on this haha
It’s called rising aerials I think, the video I did
in conclusion, "giT GuUd'
I have a question on one of his set up with up-throw. When someone di in the falco up-throw, he is getting in my back, not in front of me so i can't just dair him. what type of Di was in your video? Slight di in ?
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There were too many video examples where the move only lands and doesn't or wasn't meant to KO, imo. Examples shouldn't have been too hard to find if the moves are truly effective.
But using clips of top level matches as you mention things gives you a lot of credibility, and your custom recordings demonstrate a lot of effort. Yours are the best tutorial videos I've seen.
Where do you feel this was the case?
Falcon Kill Setupz Next?
Great video dude! Do you have a spreadsheet like this for Fox?
Ya Boi nope lol, otherwise there would be a video for it! I might make a video for Fox kill options, but if I do it won’t be for a while. This video took waaaay too long
Make one for fox!
Laser fsmash is actually an amazing kill setup if your opp is in the air. Its even better if they dont have their jump but its really good against floaties and I think this couldve been mentioned. Shiz uses this strat a lot and so do I
Yeah but does that actually combo? As far as I know when testing it didn’t. Lots of people get away with laser f-smash, myself included. That doesn’t mean it’s a reliable true combo.
Well you can jump out of it, but you have to react to the laser which a lot of people wont, and thats why I mentioned its better if theyre jumpless. A really good setup is drop downlaser from a platform when a floatie is recovering then fsmash. PP and shiz get it all the time. I even got it tons of times when I faced jamrun and almost won the set. Its not a true combo but its a great frame trap against floaties especially. Not that useful against fast fallers.
but obviously you cant spam it.
I feel like you’re arguing that I should have put more focus on something that isn’t a true combo and I still DID mention it. Of course laser f-smash lands sometimes, that’s why I put it in the video. But I don’t think I should be hyping it up as a great kill setup if you can jump out of it.
Its a great kill setup regardless of whether it can be jumped out of or not. if you take your opps jump with a laser or anything else then its basically guaranteed. but whatever bro just trying to help out. do what ya want
Yo laser forward smash is actually a true combo sometimes I believe the one that worked on leffen was true. Still jank and bad unless you have a hard read your opponent will get hit by the laser and your spacing is just right
Pretty sure up throw dair only works on no di but i could be wrong, i know it works on no di but idk if it actually works on di in because im pretty sure that puts them behind you
Yeah I actually messed that up, it’s no DI!
"how to kill as falco" hold down and mash buttons like you have been the whole time.
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Yoooo this is some sick content! I’ve played a few sets against you back in the Sheridan HMC days, wondering if you still play?
UniversalTomato oh wow, back when I played puff! I’m hopefully better than I was back then and yeah I still play but I moved to Vancouver!
Can you do other tutorials like Di and other basic tech
Xavier Luna what kind of basic tech are you looking for? Pretty sure SSBM tutorials did a series on really basic tech. There are also other videos that cover this if you want me to point you in the right direction
MichaelRadar can you show how to multi shine and moon walk
First you teach me OoT, now let's see if Melee works out the same lol
Torje considering my OoT videos are worse than Melee videos, I think it should go pretty well!
Feel free to DM on Twitter if you have any questions. I’m happy to help out
It combos off of laser: The video
5:30 lmao
do this for marth
Shine backair?? Hello??
ok but do marth next
Pretty please
Maaaybe. I have a lot of other videos I wanna do first and I’m not a Marth main. This video took so much work like, compared to my other videos it was easily twice, if not three times as hard.
"if you find yourself complaining about falco's lack of kill options, it's you, not the character." truer words have never been spoken. there are so many braindead falco apologists out there complaining about their stupid character while simultaneously framing their entire playstyle around forcing execution tests and RPS.
who do you main?
schmoop Falco. That’s why I was willing to put in all the effort collecting this information, because it ultimately benefits me. It’s also why I’m much less likely to do a kill setups video with this kind of info for other characters because learning when up-smash kills for sheik or something is a lot of effort for little benefit
Do this w marth
I tested some of the kill % shown in the spreadsheet and some were not correct,(with falco's dtilt) for example, peach in DreamLand dies at 129% from the middle of the stage and not 128% as the spreadsheet says
What did you test it in?
@@Radarssbm i don't understand your question lol, i tested it in melee 4.07++
@@mrMario468 There's still some version differences and variance within the game. Examples include PAL, but also 1.00 games vs 1.02. If for example, you tested on your gamecube, on a 1.00 disc, you might find certain differences.
In the case of my spreadsheet, I didn't test this in game, I tested this using ikneedata.com which is usually accurate.
It's worth mentioning that these numbers do NOT include smash DI as a factor. Are you positive that the CPU/opponent you tested it on wasn't doing smash DI? I know with certain bots, they have them SDI like 1/3 of the time, which would extend how long a character can live.
I didn't account for smash DI intentionally, for a couple reasons:
- SDI could potentially lower the percent that you live until, as well as increase it. Depends on the SDI.
- Greatly increases testing complexity
- SDI is not something the average player plays against, especially on d-tilt, up-tilt etc.
@@Radarssbm oh yeah i tested it in game, with save states so I was able to perform my own DI cuz I didnt want any Cpu DI as they tent to do crazy DI sometimes, also I only use the c-stick DI and hold an prob just one imput in the analog stick since good players will do at least that
im gonna check that site will do my work much easier lol
one imput of smash DI*
Make a fox kill setup
Joshua snow probably will. A lot of the kill setups are pretty similar tbh. Not sure if I’ll bother doing a spreadsheet though. That added like 10 hours to the video or something ridiculous lol. Do you think the spreadsheet is essential?
MichaelRadar just some setups that will chain into a kill
You sound like Core-A Gaming haha
falco's upthrow Up air inst a true combo since you can smash DI the lasers
more falco plox
Next video
MichaelRadar oh shit my body is ready. Love your videos dude, both micro and macro melee are so informative AND well put together in a digestible way.
Emp thanks dude! Yeah not sure if I’ll be able to get it out this weekend just because I have to do my taxes and shit lmaoooo but we shall see.
MichaelRadar totally understand lmao. Well I'm looking forward to it either way. Have a good one
Laser d-tilt gets you killed if you hit their sheild or miss though. Usually not worth the risk. You're basically 50/50ing their high percent stock with your any percent stock lol
Honestly feels like you’re describing a spacing problem. Depending on how you space it, the risk is mitigated, but much more importantly, this is a very silly approach to evaluating whether something is good in melee.
You can easily substitute laser downtilt for something else in your “gets you killed if you hit their shield or miss” sentence and it’s still just as accurate. Of course a move is bad if it misses. Plenty of great moves that are relatively safe will get you killed if you miss or hit shield in an unsafe way. That’s melee.
There’s a reason we see Laser grab, shine, down tilt, up-tilt, f-smash etc used at a high level. It’s because they’re good options. But they’re not invincible lol
Falco’s only losing matchup is Marth.
in 2019
Please make one of these for fox pleaaaseee
call yourself a melee player yet forgot to add side special smh
GO CHECK MY *S P R E A D S H E E T*