Rowe AMI JBM 1964 Tropicana Jukebox - Repairing Selection Problems & Keyboard Issues - Vintage Tech
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The draftsmen that came up with all the drawings in those manuals were extremely skilled individuals. By hand. Amazing.
I agree, it's an art in it's own way. There are also hand drawn pictures of all the pcb's in most manuals, I don't mean the schematics, they actually drew the boards and where all the chips go, etc.... you probably already know that though but like you said they were Amazing.
Amazing what they/we could do with mostly mechanical components. Great video.
One of my highlights of my birthday last week (May 5) was listening to Glen Campbell's 'Rhinestone Cowboy' on the jukebox in a local saloon.
I got mine in 3 weeks
There is something special about the AMI of this era. For me, its was the predominant model, ubiquitous at the time, to every local dive bar I wondered into in my early 20's
That’s a true solid gold playlist!
I love that you listed the record selections, John and Sue had some good taste in music, and I can kind of tell they were of a certain age. Wonder what kind of parties they hosted whilst listening to their music on this wonderful machine.
THEY WERE SWINGERS!
No I don't really know if they were swingers. That was just a joke, John and Sue.
This is becoming the best channel, for me, on TH-cam.
Thank you Martin, we appreciate you watching!
This is new to m, and very interesting. ….my head hurts trying to stay with you Ronnie, as you get deep in the weeds. ….. I’m with you brother. ..go get it.
Great video ,thought I could follow the schematics but you just made it so easy.
I try to make it easy because that’s how I understand it
My friend. You are one of my top 4 favorite channels…tell you why. I always have this buzz…this learning fog after absorbing your most excellent description, narratives and lessons.
It’s like a study headache of sorts.
Really, REALLY, appreciate the time you take and the wiring schematics you use. I’m learning so much. Like a foreign language I can actually understand a little bit now.
You do a fine job here my friend. So appreciate ya.
Gimme more.
Repair the world.
Maybe someday a multimeter lesson? Effin’ just can’t understand them properly.
Hey…all the best to you and the family.
Waving from Oregon. 👋
Thank you for your help….this will help troubleshooting my Seeburg.
Joe, great video. I remember working on them on the road. I have a JAN in storage with a busted transfer arm.
That's crazy makes you wonder how it happened to all of them (this one had the same problem)...
I fed coins into a Jukebox once to play Waylon's Ramblin Man instead it played something else...I know how Bubba felt
Awesome vid to watch with lunchtime coffee. These jukeboxes are so cool looking and I enjoy watching you and Donnie work on anything, thanks!
Do another Rowe, please! I need to figure out how you set up the cam switches. The manual isn’t explaining it well enough for me. My tonearm drops and immediately picks up again. thanks for all the vids!
I love the 80s AMI CD jukeboxes
The digital ones, that allowed you to go online in the 90s and select what you wanted to have on the machine, that was awesome.
We had a phone line, and the machine would call the company at 5am
No one realized that you could create an account on the website and select from their catalog what you wanted on the machine and this was back when most people had dial-up and I went on the site and created an account and selected a couple songs and I remember having talked to the bartender the previous week about wanting quarterflash on the machine and when I came in that next week she said you won't believe it the song you wanted is now on the machine and she didn't realize that I had requested it and that the machine when it called the company downloaded over the phone line at 14 KB per second, which was as fast as the phone line would allow back then it took an hour to download one song that was I think about 5 MB.
Usually it would connect for a couple hours and get two or 3 songs.
Really awesome.
High speed internet is great and all of the social media and everything we have now is great but back in the old days when there weren't that many people on it was a lot more professional because the people that were on the message boards and groups that existed then were there to help and learn.
It's amazing to have lived when having a phone was a luxury and most people had a party line and you'd have an entire city block on one side of the street where there'd be a dozen apartments that had a phone and we all had the same phone number and I remember taking messages for my neighbors when they wouldn't be home and I would answer the phone and I remember pay phones everywhere and I remember when cell phones first came out and I remember the early days of the internet and dial up and voice over internet phone being able to dial calls anywhere for free over the internet back when during the day a call from Albany to Allentown was $3 a minute and the operators there were so many employees of the phone company in every city and the information number people calling to get a phone number for a listing or a person and with the internet all of those people lost their job because people could look up online to get a phone number and the phone company I remember when the cable company first offered voice over internet phone lines and free Nationwide calling and the landline companies like Bell and AT&T they dragged their feet but eventually they had to give everyone free unlimited calling as well
So much has changed and I can't wait for the self-driving vehicles and the home robots and being able to place an order online for groceries and sending your car via your cell phone to go to the store and the robot at the store will load your car with your groceries and the car will drive itself back home and your home robot will unload your car and for people like me who are sick having a car that can drive you to the doctor when you're not well enough to drive yourself instead of having to take an ambulance or an Uber will be terrific and being able to get in the car at 8:00 at night and tell it where you need to go and have it drive 12 hours while you sleep and arrive at your destination in the morning and not have to go through the hassle of flying.
It's going to be interesting to see what happens to the airlines
So much is going to change
Everything with pin memory is interesting! Also you're right about manuals. I've been working on something for 3 weeks without a manual... I'm about to give up! And either find a manual or buy my way out of it (replacing boards).
Only reason I hate to buy my way out is if THEY break you're right back where you started without a manual :)
I’ve serviced many Rowe R-90s andR-91 cd/record combos They had electronic mech control boards and credit solid state boards. Most of the problems I encountered on these models were in the CD player whereby communication wast lost to the cpu logic board. Sometimes it was resoldering and cleaning the connector pins on the cpu board. Also cleaned th ICs on the cpu board. They had plug in IC sockets. The pins would tarnish in due time. Cleaned the IC pins with a standard pink rubber eraser and took care of the problem
I just love those AMI circular mechs.
The transfer gripper arm is the most crucial part that makes a juke box
That's an awesome selection of records to pick from!
that is one sweet jukebox. back to the beach music i love. disco and the lot.
I agree! a part can be broken; but the device is broke your right .
I’m tempted to make an exact (near as) playlist on Apple Music of this Juke box. Will be like time travel 🤔
You are correct Sir, its Broke and can be repaired, but Broken is beyond repair!
Well the way we see it, if it ain't working it ain't making money so it's broke :)
Love the playlist!
Very similar to the rockola set up with the wobble plate assembly with the write in and read out features. Older elevators used a similar system until they went to digital control logic boards
Ever run into songs by Peppermint Rainbow in the boxes?
They made one album I think , late 60's, and they have better known songs, but Pink Lemonade is one that haunted me for 20+ years. Until I ran into a CD remake of their album and got it. There is quite some story to how I found what to look for in the first place. It was on my late grandad's reel-to-reel tapes that I inherited as a kid, and I copied it on a cassette too... wasn't too good with English then but the song stuck in my ear canal so that at a later time when I had learned a good deal of English I could recall the lyrics... "When I'm with you, one glass will do, of pink lemonade".
I've never heard of them, looks like a cool band. Sucks they only had one album, reminds me of Steam (one big hit and done)
I repaired one of these Tropicanas last year. Exact same fault. Unfortunately cleaning the switch contacts didn't help on this occasion, the switches were too far gone. Ended up having to build a custom relay board to do some of the switching.
The latch coil had survived, but was running hot due to a free play bodge. My fix for this is to remove the coin sorter, and mount a microswitch underneath the now-defunct coin reject button. If the credit unit is salavageable, you can just wire the switch to it to simulate a coin being dropped in. (If it has an 'add credit' button, just wire it to this.) The machine I was working on had a ruined credit unit, the previous owner had removed the subtract solenoid and other parts to make it freeplay, so instead I built a little circuit with a 555 timer IC and a relay, wired in series with the latch solenoid. Push the switch, and the latch coil energises for 40 seconds or so, long enough to make a selection before the solenoid drops out, stopping the dreaded overheating problem.
Oh this is going to be a great repair series, can't wait 👍👍
Love those jukebox video’s
Watts is the maximum amount of power draw the entire unit uses.
The amp itself outputs somewhere in the region of 20 watts
i suppose that latch coil burned out because
it's meant to only turn on for a few seconds (after you insert a coin, before a song is selected)
but they'd hacked the machine into a kind of "free play" mode which meant it was energized constantly?
I've always wanted to see how these worked!
The most frustrating Juke I fixed was a Seeburg Tormat system. I got it finally.
This is a perfect project to use a light bulb current limiter. Protects the tube amp from too much current on power up and allows the power filter caps a little time to reform, if they don’t blow up. If the bulb doesn’t get real bright then it’s not pulling too much current and things are probably OK. 😉
They refer to what your suggesting as a dim bulb tester.
@@dennistowne457 Yes also referred to as that
the selector circuit board (30:40 into the video) reminds me of the board in the throttle position sensors in some older fuel-injected cars (70s and 80s). these boards have a contact arm (attached to the throttle arm) that sweeps across an arc-shaped trace on the board to signal to the engine computer the relative position of the throttle. in some of these cars, the boards become worn from the tip of the contact arm and stop working properly so they have to be replaced or repaired
Nice closeup work man!
Hey Ron, I bet Joe can settle the debate if it’s ‘broke’ or ‘broken’😜🤪!
It's BROKE!
@@LyonsArcade I don't think you'd have a channel if things WEREN'T broken! 😄
Deoxid works on stubborn tarnished contacts
Good video
I'd like to have seen the read in and read out relays you were pushing. Mines being a headache, works when it wants to. Ohmed the rows of switches and did find a dirty switch, cleaned and now it searches forever. I'm getting there, just taking time... I messed with the plug at the bottom of the circuit board and now it searches and stops, but doesn't push a pin out or do anything. Still trying to find what causes the play side to rotate and find the pin, but since the pin doesn't pop out, that's for future me. Ohmed the circuit board and wipers and they seem fine. cleaned everything.
One day my friend, ONE DAY! If it kills me. I will own a juke. I really want a juke in my life. Working or non. An I wouldnt mind having one that is tube amplified.
JOE CLASSIC, There are Sprag Relays, but what are they consider what is called the Sprag in the jukebox machine mechanism? The main problem was the READ latch coil or the WRITE latch coil?
So, local owner? I may have sold some of their 45's to them - I used to work at The Record Cellar when it was on Cherry Rd.
You likely did then, yes it was here in town. I don't think I ever went in the Record Cellar on Cherry but I went in it often at the mall....
This video is fantastic. It has helped me get my Dads old Rowe/Ami MM2 working again. Thank you! I have one issue I’m hoping you might have some insight on. If I select any top row letter and number combination it works as exactly as expected( I.e. Q0, E9, etc). The issue comes when I select the bottom letter associated with each number. Instead of playing the selection it plays the same number but advanced one letter. For example if I select P0 it will always play R0, F9 will always play H9, etc I’ve read through the manual and from what I can tell it may be centered around the search unit select coil arm assembly needing adjustment or the stop switch adjustment. Does this sound correct? Or is there another adjustment that is targeted toward the bottom letter associated with each number.
Thanks again
Mike
34:24 CRC electrical contact cleaner i love the stuff Many great results no damage
Can you get current music on 45's anymore? Or is it limited to what is left floating around? The electromechnics back them were really works of art. Not sure why they covered them up. Cool video.
Some modern artists release singles on wax but it’s not super common
I have the Australian version on the MM3. Those things are not fun to move they are very heavy.
They do have a little weight to them :) We've got about... 30 jukeboxes right now.
40:33 B7 -- You sank my battleship!
Buck was the man
Yup. Above and beyond!
I always wonder what cause the death of the jukebox around the late 80's/early 90's? in the 70's, they were every where. When the 80's came around, they all ended up in the bars and when the 90's came around, they all disappeared. I know it had nothing to do with the internet or music downloading because jukeboxes were long dead and buried before the internet came around. And speaking of the internet and jukeboxes. There was this one company that made a internet based jukebox called "touch tunes" and the fact that you now had a jukebox that had access to a much bigger library of music was really cool. Unfortunately, It was too little, too late. There were a couple of these install at 2 local bars in town and nobody used them and within 3 months, they were removed.
Sometimes the serial number makes a difference because they make changes during the run of the series.
Same model number will have 2 or 3 different parts inside.
Good companies will put a letter , so like ver 1a, 1b, 1c
That tells the difference between the three
Do you have any info on Rowe AMI SFG Sound Projector stand alone speakers. They attached to a juke box for large venues. I have 2 of them in perfect working order.
Hey Ron, Did you take the records out or was it empty when you bought it?
It was empty when we got it, they saved all their records... we've got a bunch of good ones we're going to put in it though.
Ron/Joe's Classic Video Games --
The Fonz would just "tap" on the jukebox and it would be fixed! 😁
Heeeeeeeeeyyyyy!!!
Correctamundo 👍
Question. When the pin gets pushed back, which switch is responsible of firing that coil and where is located? Cause my JAL is fine up to that point, but it doesn't push the pin back.
English is not my first language but I can clearly understand that broke means broken. Also, I don't really care how you pronounce solder.
Wouldn't Malfunction unit. Needing new parts. Be alright
Hoping you can help me out...I have a Ami Rowe Jan which is almost identical to the one you are showing. The wires from the latch coil were disconnected due to the fact that the coil was was malfunctioning. Unfortunately they happened to touch while the unit was powered on and now the turntable is turning and no selections will register. Guessing that the power surge messed up something down stream. Would you have any idea of what damage was done and what I need to check/replace?
How about NSM ,,Ron ? do ya love them ??
I haven't messed with them much, I have one I'm working on at the moment though.
@@LyonsArcade Im working on one for a friend also !
Cigarette paste and spilled liquids cause many problems with the keyboard selector panel
Great job. Just bought my super lube (hehehehhe) and vampire sucker (also heehehehhe) through your links!
Thank you buddy, we appreciate it!
Pour orange juice on it that should do the trick
Whats that crackly stuff the arms are in?
is the change box empty?? then its Broke.. :)
John and Sue..A boy named Sue?..How do you do!!!😁
YEAH, That's what I told him!!!
@@LyonsArcade Hey Ronnie every year here..Way down south in a town called Gore( country music capital of New Zealand) they have the Golden Guitar awards
❤
Is there any money in it? No? Then it's 'broke'! 😆
I bet the record needle has never been cleaned.
I know the first 3 songs by the four seasons
You can say it's broke. It's your video.
I think broke is more appropriate
It’s not it’s broke or it’s broken. It’s it broke or it be broke.
I answer my phone “who dis?”
@@LyonsArcade is there any other way?
it's definitely broke
Definitely!
Please mister, please, don't play B-17
I want to TH-cam videos for pinball machines and nothings music monsters
If you're gonna play the jukebox..please don't play..A-11 people 😫😄
Or They'll B-Tears!!!!
Yodelayheehoo
Hello Lil Everette!
No Yodeling records on there..aww cmon
Don’t say it’s broke, broken, busted, disabled, destroyed or whatever; say it’s functionally inoperative 🤓
So broke
It’s broke, broken, busted, knackered, dead etc. So whatever you like.
Why do people have a thing about trying to make people speak the same as them?
People are dumb dumbs 🤔
They're right and i'm wrong, don't you get it? :) Right-fighters.