How Good Are Rider Aids? | Ducati Panigale V4S Wet Weather Track Test
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ม.ค. 2025
- Ducati invited us the test the new Panigale V4S in the wet, this is a chance to see how good rider aids actually are.
#ducati #panigalev4s #superbike
in over 50 years of riding, I found out recently how good traction control and riders aids are when arriving at a bend where a load of gravel had been dropped - waiting to be thrown off and into a rock bank, it cut, intervened and finally allowed me to drive out beautifully on what otherwise would have been a trashed bike and potentially rider along with it.... Yes they work and are so beneficial.
Rider dependent, of course, a low skill rider might not have the know how of proper reaction impulses
Ducati has absolutely nailed the design of this bike. It looks amazing!
Agree
Yes.
Man. I hated it at first, but now I'm in love with it; especially the new Tricolore!
Because they always rip the looks of JDM bikes first
It looks ugly not amazing
Great opportunity to really test and feel the electronics working on one of the truly high performance bikes available. Excellent video as usual. Very cool.
Thanks
I am old enough to remember that before ABS, having powerful brakes was a bad as having crappy ones.
Same thing with traction controls, I dont like it. But makes life easier as a biker.
Forgot to add "If you don't know how to brake properly"
I have a 2019 V4. Been caught out in the rain a few times, even on super corsa's it's fine. I've owned other bikes with electronics but this thing is in another league. Race mode is 100% throttle available, minimum aids. Sport mode is only 70% throttle in the first 3 gears. Mid level aids (used this in the wet). Road mode is heavily restricted in all gears, aids all on high level. Something else not spoke about, it has a 7k soft limiter until the engine is fully up to temp. No point having it for the road really, but on them boring days on shift. I still giggle that I'm fortunate enough to have it. :)
Ok I've done a full 180 on the design. It is absolutely gorgeous.
so Have i 😂. i was talking so much trash the first 48 hours. then by day 3 i was thinking to myself. "its the most beautiful bike ever built " 😂😂😂😂
Weird when people say electronics are shit back in 2015..to me it's an aid which i still need to input much on the riding side..it does help me a little during my early trackdays.. I'm riding 2015 R1..but would love to have a go on the 2023 or even the new panigale
took me a little bit of warming up. But this is the most Beautiful Moto ever made 😂
THE TRIALS OF A BIKING CELEBRITY.
You can do that test most days of the week at home - but being a celeb you have to wait for an invitation abroad
Celeb ha ha
Great insight into the systems chad, and top riding as always 👍
Really remarkable to hear that the bike acted (not just calculated everything, but also sorted the situation) in 0,02 seconds... It's crazy to think that so much inertia can be put under control so quickly!
How would even lower rider aid settings do in that weather - would it cut power much earlier as it is expecting more grip for dry setup or would it be more unsafe by allowing more sliding that can't be recovered?
Great vid and some good points, well-made.👍
Ta
I’m in two minds about this, and particularly with regard to automatic rear braking. It’s very clever and no doubt helps to go faster, but it’s presumably doing so by automatically providing some of the skill that would otherwise need to come from the rider. I don’t use the rear brake and I’m aware of the benefits and that I need to learn to do so - this would give me the benefits without having to learn the skill - it might make me faster but it wouldn’t make me a better rider.
Who cares, anything that makes me safer is beneficial, especially when I’m now in my mid sixties and I value my bones staying intact…
@@IanTed Well I'm in my mid fifties and I also value my bones staying intact, but I also enjoy trying to improve my skills. A car would be safer, (you did say 'anything') but we enjoy our bikes. Anyway, each to their own, but my pleasure from this activity (and most activities) is the pursuit of personal improvement. If you're not racing and you're not trying to improve your skills then you're just going around in circles. 🤷♂
@@sp00ky1969 Yeah I get trying to improve, I think some people might hit their skill ceiling sooner so these types of systems might keep them going longer? Presumably Ducati makes changes to the bikes all around in order to make them faster so that would count for the electronics as well. I guess their PR would say with two similarly skilled riders the one riding the Ducati would win :)
I guess it depends how serious you are about track days and needing to always do better.
I quite enjoyed my two first track days this year, they were great fun. I wasn't really bothered with times but I guess that is my perspective coming in as a total beginner.
@ I only started seriously last year (4 times the year before after about 30 years away from bikes). It’s rather addictive. I remember litre bikes of my youth being deadly with far less power, so the electronics are certainly a benefit and I was surprised how easy it was to ride to a certain level. As I said, I’m not against it and I’m considering the new Painigale as my next track bike (currently riding a V4R), but I know you can’t really buy a better game and I know for sure that if I get one of these then I’ll never need to learn to use the rear brake (and I’m not saying that’s a bad thing for trackday use). I’m tempted, but I’m also considering the current Fireblade. One thing that’s annoyed me is the cost - the exhaust for the Ducati is excessive - three times what the full Akrapovic titanium exhaust for the Honda costs - and you have to get it if you want the Ducati slicks software. The pricing is starting to annoy me a bit…
@@sp00ky1969 Aye, I'm looking more at the rs660 or the mini Fireblade to be honest. Still plenty of poke to me
Excellent video going above and beyond what the other media guys do 👋
Thanks. Still drying out
Great stuff Chad!🎉
Thanks Simon
Ok this was great video actually showing motorcycle electronics at work.🤟🤟🤟
Great video great review great bike 👌🏻🔥
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Would you take a V4 or V4S as a dedicated trackbike and some club racing?
Very interesting! Cheers
Thanks
Mad skills!
It would have been interesting to know what lean angles and speeds you were reaching compared to a dry lap. But a very informative video nonetheless. Cheers.
Best lap dry is 1.45 in the wet 2.03
I'm still so 50/50 on rider aids... I see the huge benefits, but I also somehow miss the "learn how to do this properly" part. I think it's just almost too easy and perhaps some of the newer riders don't always realise what they're doing (if this makes any sense)
Facinating video thanks Bike Workd for taking the time to make it.
Thanks
You working for Honda Chad? Seen you in the garage at BSB.
I’m freelance so work for anyone. But yeah some work at BSB for Honda
How many of these will get ridden in the rain 😬 Awesome bit of kit.
More than you might think I did 4 trackdays this year 2 were wet and there were panigales in most groups
@@svracing3why not
Reminded me of Binder at 2021 Red Bull Ring, on slicks.
😂
I have been trying to explain this to new riders and even old ones, for years... People think rider aids slow you down, and they just don't. They claim they want to be "in control"... Well, there is a difference between having control and being IN control. I can hand a bling person the flight stick on a fighter jet during a dog fight... they have control, but are they really IN control?
It's either case of ego, or ignorance, or a bit of most most of the time. ABS on track can be an issue for a certain pace, but on the street its a literal life saver. Everyone thinks they have the skills to get by without it, until they don't. MotoGP riders have these systems... is the average rider better than them? Nope.
It's why you see so many Mustang and other sports car crashes leaving car meets. They turn off the electronics and find out real fast that the computer is much better than they are. Its an expensive and painful lesson to learn.
Leave that stuff on. It will make you faster AND safer, and thats a win win.
Interesting
Ducati should take these dismal conditions as a redesign omen.
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Do the same with and without the winglet down force please. I want to know how much useless it is. You can easily remove it on some bike =)
Good idea. We might try that
If I owned this bike there wouldn't be even the chance of rain either side of the day I rode it
Tyre warmers on wets? :)
Yeah
I think that rider aids, especially the lean sensitive ones, are a real life saver.
This is the clip that reinforced that for me.
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Cuando tengo esta motocicleta, si encuentro agua en la carretera, mi reacción será detenerme inmediatamente, llevar la motocicleta a la espalda y pisar con los pies en el agua. ¿Estoy loco por conducirla bajo la lluvia?
So in the past riders had to be skilled to go fast around the track, now all u need is to have a bit of money and AI will do the rest
In the past they used to ride horses too
You still need to be able to ride, but aids are there to help
This bike has over 200 horses, so what lad? Just saying 😊
this isn't AI. it's just some fancy math from a computer helping out.
We used to manually advance ignition too, that was fun
Seen the new V4 tricolor? No other bike manufacturer has the class that Ducati has. Oozing taste and proportion.....take note Triumph, what with your latest finishes.
One thing I am sad about is seeing this beautiful get wet, radiator and oil cooler all debris from the water vapour from the wheels… no doubt about that rider aids on this beauty
Very informative and nice riding ! Now do a test in snow :)
So.... Ok. This Ducati in the hands of a super bike rider is one thing, rider aids engaged.
However id like to see the same situation but with a weekend warrior that rides like he thinks he can ride like a pro....
10% rider
90% wingless ..wingless get you home
5:11 Of course, abrubtly closing the throttle at conditions of low traction will have a negative/reverse effect on stability of motorcycles without electronics, as the enging braking transfers/translates as rear braking thus sending you over the bike. So easy on cutting the throttle.
There’s a lot of people who clearly don’t know what AI is.
What’s the point of AI here?
Wut?🤷
Blasphemy, a whole video of this bike in the rain with no sound of the bike itself :( That's criminal.
I dont care about that its not (just) human skills anymore… we got forklift to load a truck so we dont have to haul it on our shoulder, right? This is how technology works…
So amateurs can ride and look like pros. Sounds like AI.
You still have to be able to ride