Llevaba tiempo buscando este capitulo de Line Of Fire. Lástima que no esté subtitulado y haya que esforzarse un poquito para entender para los que no tenemos un excelente inglés. Gracias por el aporte!
All of these documentaries need to be subtitled , especially the quality ones . Brits want to see the Argentine view and Argentines want to see vids like this one . There are very few battles in war so meticulously documented. Oh ! I guess Subtitulado is subtitle. So , I agree with Vidalotarola... I think .
I’ve looked at loads of contemporary stuff on this. And I mean loads. I conclude it was about 1:1 but you have to remember one half was dug in. I find the attitude against ‘conscripts’ remarkable. The UK sent ‘conscripts’ to 2 world wars, Malaya, Korea and Suez. They are trained. They have weapons. Lots of inaccuracies in these programmes. Too many to count. All I hope for is that nobody else has to die for it.
Regarding the ‘mad fool’ nonsense written about Col ‘H’ Jones, 2 Para, deal with the evidence rather than commenting based on conjecture. 1. ‘ H’ Jones had been an instructor at Warminster Battle school and so one must ask, why would he go against the doctrinal teachings he espoused? He has been criticised for being to restrictive in his command. He was merely conducting the battle in the way he knew and had taught others to do. The British Army’ smallest fighting unit the section (8 men) fight with 2 fire teams, each with their own machine gun. This was ‘H’s innovation equipping 2 Para with extra machine guns prior to the conflict, indicating that he had visionary awareness of the needs of had to fight a battle. 2. The attack on Goose Green started as a silent then noisy night attack. Night attacks are notoriously difficult to coordinate and control. One can end up with lots of friendly fire incidents. Hence the need for restrictive control. Something he has been criticised for in absentia. 3. ‘H’was time restricted from the very start and 2 Para were required to fight a battle (14 km) covering 1 km per hour. Also the Battalion had very little time to plan and execute the operation. Added to this, the Battalion sacrificed heavy equipment for a fast approach and speed to fight the battle, with so little night to fight in. 4. The BBC’s leaking of “a parachute Battalion being poised to attack Darwin and Goose Green” compromised the whole operation and took away the element of surprise from 2 Para. 5. It is not clear that the Darwin Hill position was occupied (or expected to be so heavily reinforced). The information available to ‘H’on this wasn’t conclusive and so certainly A company were surprised to find the Darwin Hill position so heavily defended. This position was occupied once the battle started. 6. At Darwin and Middle Hill both A and B Coy came under heavy sustained fire from fixed line machine guns and accurate sniper fire. The ground was very flat and offered very little to the paras in terms of covered approaches to take on the enemy. Once soldiers go to ground under fire, it is very difficult to get them up again and regain momentum. 2 Para were now attacking a position in broad daylight that they had wanted to have taken in darkness. 7. Now the enemy could see who they were attacking it would be much easier to bring down accurate artillery fire on the stuck A and B companies of 2 Para once their position had been bracketed (artillery ranging in on the stationary troops). This is what began to happen and being in a static position meant taking needless casualties with no visible gains for 2 Para. 8. The other fear was that it was not known how many troops were now garrisoned at Goose Green (especially as 2 Para had encountered unexpectedly heavy resistance on Darwin Hill). The fear for ‘H’ was that with his Battalion being unable to break through the position they were thus vulnerable to counterattack, which could have proved disastrous had ‘H’ sought to commit his reserve D company too early. He would have been left with no more cards to play and may have had to retreat off of the position. Also, he still had the main objective to take and was probably maintaining his reserve for that (in line with his 6 phased plan). 9. It does not matter how well trained one is, the true test of soldiering capability is ones reaction under fire. No British Battalion had fought a high intensity conflict since the Korean War of the 50’s. Volunteer soldiers with wives, families and lives back home may not fully understand what it means to risk ones life for Queen, country, pay packet and mates until they are placed on the spot. 10. ‘H’s charge around the spur appears to have happened after it seems he had exhausted all options in the 90 minutes he was with A company in the gorse gully. It cannot to ‘H’ have seemed that much of a problem that he thought it would merit the use of his reserve, hence his leading the attack by personal example. As a leader you do not ask people to do what you are not prepared to do yourself. Sandhurst Academy teaches “your men first always, you last always”. 11. In my view, having looked at the evidence it seems that there were two co occurring flacking attacks on the Argentinian positions of which ‘H’ led the right flanking assault when he was shot and killed. Considering everything he did and the enormous pressure he and his Battalion were placed under, it was a VC well deserved both by ‘H’and the Battalion which set the tone of moral and physical domination that was the hallmark of the whole campaign.
"a government unpopular with its people and military?" from 3:00 - 3:05 . wasn't the argentine government a junta that does exactly what its military wishes?
Even a dictatorship needs (or at least wants, to simplify ruling) SOME popular support, and when your military has a large number of conscripts that's doubly important.
Even in the military ranks there were men executed and persecuted because they were suspicious of harboring communist ideas. The juntas in latinamerica were US puppets doing the dirty job of killing people for thinking differently. Stupid cold war of the big world bullies.
The School house was taken down by the Argentine AA gun, not the PARAs, Argentine troops thought the british had arrived at it and were hidden inside. A Scout Helicopter and a Harrier were shot down too but it was not mentioned?
@@mickyday2008 No Harriers were shot down in _air-to-air_ combat during the Falklands War; five were lost to ground fire, and five were lost in accidents. Alejo Pellista's citation is correct; it probably wasn't mentioned because the focus in the film was very much on the ground forces.
I hope one day Argentina and its leaders will grow up then maybe they would be as respected as the young men they sent to fight, sadly many comments by Argentinians on these videos show no signs of it yet just name calling and denial, an embarrasment to those who fought and have grown up
I'm guessing this was posted by an Argentinian! Let me say that Imperialism was a shameful chapter in British (and European) history, but for the last 70 years the UK has been granting independence to former colonies. The Falklands have only ever been occupied by Falklanders and the land belongs to them just as much as America belongs to Americans and Australians to Australia. If Argentina was to grab the Malvinas this would be imperialism. There's never been any legitimate claim to the Islands. The Argentinian argument is that basically it's part of the same continental mass as Argentina, both being projections of one Patagonian shelf - which is one with the South American continental shelf - but this argument would make Argentina entitled to Uruguay, and Uruguay to Argentina!, and Falklands to Argentina and Uruguay! So it's rediculous. I think it was appaling that Britain and Spain and France killed Native Americans and settled their land, but America belongs to Americans now. Similarly the \Falklands belong to the Falklands and it was actually an honourable sacrifice of the UK to kick out the invaders and protect the Island for it's inhabitants. If the Falklands wanted to be part of Argentina then Britain would be only too happy to let them go. In fact in the 60s the UK's position was that they'd be happy for this to happen if that's what the Falkland Islanders wished. But they didn't. Get over it! You've got to stop the Argentinian state indoctrinating your children through this myth of Argentinian ownership.
Sorry, I should say obviously the land was originally occupied by the British but as soon as they moved there they became the original Falklanders, just as the British settlers in America became Americans. The Falklands aren't part of Britain. They can't vote in British elections. They are self-governed.
@R Owen You mean the ones that are white and English speaking? What a mess all the rest of the former colonies are, what immense dissadvantage in trading terms they are to the rest of the world, how much they have lost their native customs and traditions to heriarchical societies based on wage slavery and killing the Earth? Read history. Look up the huge decolonization movement which is built on a firm knowledge and therefore critique of colonial history and all its ruinous effects on organic cultures and the environment, not the silly prejudices of someone who hasn't looked into any of this. And you can't seperate British colonialism from Dutch, French, Spanish and so forth: they all stemmed from the same disease of European Christendom that lead to a global rush to dominate, exploit and destroy and enslave. What were you saying about civilizing many corners of the globe? Who civilized America? Americans, after killing and destroying native American communities and ramsacking the Earth. India? After kicking the British out and developing economically yet still poverty is immense and the economy is a service economy providing what rich nations want. It's all a mess if you care to examine the Earth today and no nation has been more culpable than the British.
@@zeroxox777 las Malvinas "sr" pirata estaban ocupadas x Argentinos cuando en 1833 los ingleses decidieron usurparla x la fuerza y expulsar a los habitantes Argentinos q vivian ahi es mas Argentina es un pais INDEPENDIENTE desde el 9 de julio de 1816 cuando Inglaterra reconocio en 1825 la Independencia Argentina no reclamo las Islas Malvinas q ya estaban ocupadas x Argentina no se q parte de la historia le cuenten o le ocultan a uds los Ingleses...
The Argentine Force in the battle of darwin was composed of the 12th REGIMENT (500 MEN) Regiment 25 (80) men. Infantry regiment (8) total 650 men. without air support or heavy weapons ... the British had artillery and heavy weapons (120 MACNUN machine guns) AND air support
Even if this was the correct numbers for Argentine force you have to take into account that the Argentines were in prepared positions defending ground of their choosing and conventional military thinking is that an attacking force should have 3-1 advantage. British Battalion like 2 Para at the time was around 650 men.
Neil Cook Bien Neil! tu novia debe ser muy linda..:) mientras tanto , te pido un favor, decile a tu gobierno que vaya pensando como devolvernos las Malvinas.
admsitio You didn't get my point mi amigo... I was suggesting reconciliation and understanding between our nations... Las Malvinas/The Falklands is history, it is in the past. The people who live there are 'Kelpers' - they don't want to be British or Argentinian, they just want to be left alone. Why can't we leave them to live in their tiny windswept sheep-filled islands, and just concentrate on more important things, like the problems in our own nations? :(
Neil Cook I'm with you. But i can't hide my thoughts about the sovereignty of the Malvinas Islands, 95% of us think that Malvinas are ours and England have it because might makes right and this is repeated history. It was 150 years of patient until 1982 and it was a big error to initiate a war, and im very critic with all of that. Especialy we have to separate our governmets of our people. No doubt about we have more important things and problems to solve and we have to find all the things we have in common and not the things that break us apart. I have so much respect for the British, all the good things you gave us, and im deal with such things in a daily basis, but nobody cant or must hide their thoughts about unjustice. Sorry for my english. What about your Spanish, your girlfriend didnt teach you quiet enough? :)
los isleños son ocupas q estan usurpando 1 territorio q no les pertenece( y q lo hicieron x la fuerza) desde 1833 cuando hecharon a los habitantes Argentinos de las islas si yo voy y usurpo tu casa x mas q me quede a vivir en ella( como los kelpers) va a seguir siendo tuya entendes mi "querido" pirata...
No olvidamos, que nos fueron robadas por un grupo de piratas, por lo tanto no se puede aceptar la auto-determinacion de un usurpador. We don't forget, that were stolen for a pirates group therefore cannot accept the self-determination of a usurper.
Juan Pablo Morales your comments are as pointless as your failed attempt to take by force that which was not yours.the Falklands are British. they were then they still are now.get over it.
@Soreofhing www.elterritorio.com.ar/un-dia-como-hoy-de-1833-ocurria-la-usurpacion-de-las-islas-malvinas-5693454457842291-et De que derecho me hablas pedazo de ignorante fueron usurpadas por la fuerza por una delegacion inglesa en un buque militar desalojando a su poblacion . Pasaran 1000 años ..fueron usurpadas.....robadas...eso no prescribe porque te pensas que no fue declarado un estado independiente ???? No es tan facil si se aplica el derecho internacional...no fueron ganadas en una guerra ....fueron directamente robadas . Estudia el tema si vas a hablar .
@@paulweston4829 It's funny, if you imagine taking territory from another country by the force. Then you put your citicens living there in a town. Then 150 years later you ask them, do you want to be Argentines? Of course they will say no, but that doesn't mean your occupation is legitimate, it's just that you are the bully with the bigger gun.
THE FAIKLANDS WERE NEVER ARGENTINE IN THE 1ST PLACE THEY ARE OVER 300 MILES OFF THE COAST, YOU EVEN THINK CHILE BELONGS TO YOU !!.... ARGENTINA WAS NOT EVEN AN OFFICIAL COUNTRY WHEN THE BRITISH CAME TO THE FALKLANDS. ARGENTINE SPANISH MASTERS CONQUERED SOUTH AMERICA & KILLED THE AMERICAN NATIVE'S SO THE SPANISH COULD SETTLE THERE ......SO THE SPANISH WERE THE PIRATES !!! THE ONLY ORIGINAL SETTLERS IN THE FALKLANDS WERE THE PENGUINS & SEALS ...ARE YOU GOING TO COMPLAIN THAT THE USA DOESN'T BELONG TO THEM.
Why is this narrated by history professors when the actual accounts of the actual soldiers is still there? Most of the actual soldiers are still alive FFS?!?
@@serioussmoke1123 how does that in any way makeup for the fact that they obviously didn't have the best equipment available when it came to an assault rifle , also their night sight optics were not as good as the ones the Argentines had but I guess it only takes two eyes right .... Prick !!!!
It was British doctrine to fire single shot, the rifle was a modified FN which was restricted to single rounds only. I've fired both SLR and FN while in the army and firing FN on automatic it is totally uncontrollable and runs away on you due to the heavy calibre. Plus with a 20 round magazine your magazine would empty in seconds.
The islands were never Argentinian, The British were in the Falklands before Argentina became a country. The Argentinians must stop lying and admit the truth .
The reenactments are dumb. So much of this video is incorrect. The garrison was 1,089 of which infantry made up less than 500. A total of 9 platoons(from 3 different Regiments) made up the defenses of which only 6 would take part in the battle in a staggered defence. The Argentines did not have 155mm artillery, only 3x 105mm pack howitzers, 1x 120mm mortar which was unserviceable and 4x 81mm mortars. 2Para did not have to fight across 14 miles. They walked that from San Carlos but the isthmus was only 8km long. These historians are useless.
Esta página de internet, youtube es de los argentinos, de gente que apoya a Argentina Este video es para nuestros Héroes de Malvinas, esto es un homenaje, una dedicatoria para ellos porque los queremos mucho, los admiramos, estamos orgullosos de ellos y están en nuestros corazones
Paras don’t Yomp! Paras T A B. meaning Tactical approach to Battle . This is a very basic difference between Paras and Royal Marines This is a very poor documentary made by someone who has no real appreciation of military operation and practice in the British Army
I know, in latinamerica we all know. It's just the British that are fed with this biased propaganda portraying the Malvinas campaign as a huge task and as an act similar to the Greeks outnumbered agains the Persians... Argentine military junta left their best professional soldiers guarding the border with Chile, left the Navy in the ports and the Air Force did all they could with the old and limited resources. The conscript did not have proper clothes, their morale was low and were hungry. The British sent their best, even nuclear submarine and were trained to fight the USSR. My respect for the dead on both sides but dont come saying that the Birtish were in inferior position because that is a lie.
@@blind1294 That was one the mistakes made by Galtieri, thinking that Chile could attack meanwhile he left the best guarding the border. And the other mistake, he didnt think Thatcher would mobilize troops down here, that's why he just sent those unprepared conscripts.
@Tulaenelorto: Your channel's description gives your name as Roberto del Carmen Córdova Carreño, that you were born in 1965, that you are a member of the Socialist Party, a politician, a councillor and that you have served as a mayor - your constant comments under Falklands videos are EMBARRASSING. If that's Argentina's elite.... @Tulaenelorto: La descripción de tu canal dice que te llamas Roberto del Carmen Córdova Carreño, que naciste en 1965, que eres miembro del Partido Socialista, político, concejal y que te has desempeñado como alcalde - tus constantes comentarios debajo de Malvinas los videos son VERGONZOS. Si esa es la élite argentina ...
Hablan de picnic y al comandante de las SAS lo enterraron en dos partes, hablan de paseo y 8 buques en fondo del mar,se llaman MALVINAS y volveremos, está creciendo una generación que se anima y tarde o temprano las van a devolver por las buenas o por las malas.. y se nota que sos chileno, me encantaría decirte que tú ayuda valió verga a los ingleses se comieron una paliza de mucha ayuda no fuiste ni lo vas a ser..
@Mark Gable The Americans had broken the code before pearl harbor. Even the reports of masses of planes by the soldiers at the frontline on the island were ignored. There are so many anomalies it is hard to believe it was not allowed for war entry purposes.
Errrrrrrm, They reported tower 7, the 3rd tower that fell, had fallen.An hour before as it was clearly behind them. The video is available on here. How did they get that info?
Acá en el centro de Argentina no tenemos servicio de cloacas agua potable y pagamos sus veces la energía eléctrica además no tenemos hasta en las viviendas estamos en el año 2017 y con esto arguyendo que la idiotez de ir a pelear por una Roca en la década del 80 etc etc etc... Dios!!! Cuanta idiotez
EL MUNDO CONOCE LA SITUACIÓN DE TU PAÍS EN PROVINCIAS PERO EL EGO LA PREPOTENCIA DELIRIO DE GRANDEZA UN PAÍS DECADENCIA POLÍTICA ECONOMÍA CULTURAL SOCIALISMO POPULARES KICHNERISMO 2020 LEVANTEN A SU NACIÓN REINO UNIDO LA HISTORIA HABLA MÁS DE 1000 AÑOS DE HISTORIA CUANTAS GUERRAS BATALLAS PELEAREMOS EN LAS PLAYAS W CHURCHILL
Lol. Paras stole the show of a commando battle group. First troops ashore,first into battle, fought the fiercest defended positions . First troops into Stanley. Marines to busy posing for the cameras like raising the union flag in Stanley which had already been flown by 2 para !!!!
The Argentine Force in the battle of darwin was composed of the 12th REGIMENT (500 MEN) Regiment 25 (80) men. Infantry regiment (8) total 650 men. without air support or heavy weapons ... the British had artillery and heavy weapons (120 MACNUN machine guns) AND air support
Llevaba tiempo buscando este capitulo de Line Of Fire. Lástima que no esté subtitulado y haya que esforzarse un poquito para entender para los que no tenemos un excelente inglés. Gracias por el aporte!
I was on the QEII. It was some of the most arduous training I ever did.
All of these documentaries need to be subtitled , especially the quality ones . Brits want to see the Argentine view and Argentines want to see vids like this one .
There are very few battles in war so meticulously documented.
Oh ! I guess Subtitulado is subtitle. So , I agree with Vidalotarola... I think .
2 Para thought they had been defeated? Who was the wally talking about?
Wasn't 2 para hit at narrow water? Interesting to characterize their deployment to NI as quiet.
That was really something. It is sad of course that anyone on either side had to lose their life.
I’ve looked at loads of contemporary stuff on this. And I mean loads. I conclude it was about 1:1 but you have to remember one half was dug in. I find the attitude against ‘conscripts’ remarkable. The UK sent ‘conscripts’ to 2 world wars, Malaya, Korea and Suez. They are trained. They have weapons.
Lots of inaccuracies in these programmes. Too many to count.
All I hope for is that nobody else has to die for it.
Regarding the ‘mad fool’ nonsense written about Col ‘H’ Jones, 2 Para, deal with the evidence rather than commenting based on conjecture.
1. ‘ H’ Jones had been an instructor at Warminster Battle school and so one must ask, why would he go against the doctrinal teachings he espoused? He has been criticised for being to restrictive in his command. He was merely conducting the battle in the way he knew and had taught others to do. The British Army’ smallest fighting unit the section (8 men) fight with 2 fire teams, each with their own machine gun. This was ‘H’s innovation equipping 2 Para with extra machine guns prior to the conflict, indicating that he had visionary awareness of the needs of had to fight a battle.
2. The attack on Goose Green started as a silent then noisy night attack. Night attacks are notoriously difficult to coordinate and control. One can end up with lots of friendly fire incidents. Hence the need for restrictive control. Something he has been criticised for in absentia.
3. ‘H’was time restricted from the very start and 2 Para were required to fight a battle (14 km) covering 1 km per hour. Also the Battalion had very little time to plan and execute the operation. Added to this, the Battalion sacrificed heavy equipment for a fast approach and speed to fight the battle, with so little night to fight in.
4. The BBC’s leaking of “a parachute Battalion being poised to attack Darwin and Goose Green” compromised the whole operation and took away the element of surprise from 2 Para.
5. It is not clear that the Darwin Hill position was occupied (or expected to be so heavily reinforced). The information available to ‘H’on this wasn’t conclusive and so certainly A company were surprised to find the Darwin Hill position so heavily defended. This position was occupied once the battle started.
6. At Darwin and Middle Hill both A and B Coy came under heavy sustained fire from fixed line machine guns and accurate sniper fire. The ground was very flat and offered very little to the paras in terms of covered approaches to take on the enemy. Once soldiers go to ground under fire, it is very difficult to get them up again and regain momentum. 2 Para were now attacking a position in broad daylight that they had wanted to have taken in darkness.
7. Now the enemy could see who they were attacking it would be much easier to bring down accurate artillery fire on the stuck A and B companies of 2 Para once their position had been bracketed (artillery ranging in on the stationary troops). This is what began to happen and being in a static position meant taking needless casualties with no visible gains for 2 Para.
8. The other fear was that it was not known how many troops were now garrisoned at Goose Green (especially as 2 Para had encountered unexpectedly heavy resistance on Darwin Hill). The fear for ‘H’ was that with his Battalion being unable to break through the position they were thus vulnerable to counterattack, which could have proved disastrous had ‘H’ sought to commit his reserve D company too early. He would have been left with no more cards to play and may have had to retreat off of the position. Also, he still had the main objective to take and was probably maintaining his reserve for that (in line with his 6 phased plan).
9. It does not matter how well trained one is, the true test of soldiering capability is ones reaction under fire. No British Battalion had fought a high intensity conflict since the Korean War of the 50’s. Volunteer soldiers with wives, families and lives back home may not fully understand what it means to risk ones life for Queen, country, pay packet and mates until they are placed on the spot.
10. ‘H’s charge around the spur appears to have happened after it seems he had exhausted all options in the 90 minutes he was with A company in the gorse gully. It cannot to ‘H’ have seemed that much of a problem that he thought it would merit the use of his reserve, hence his leading the attack by personal example. As a leader you do not ask people to do what you are not prepared to do yourself. Sandhurst Academy teaches “your men first always, you last always”.
11. In my view, having looked at the evidence it seems that there were two co occurring flacking attacks on the Argentinian positions of which ‘H’ led the right flanking assault when he was shot and killed. Considering everything he did and the enormous pressure he and his Battalion were placed under, it was a VC well deserved both by ‘H’and the Battalion which set the tone of moral and physical domination that was the hallmark of the whole campaign.
MrCardinal1965, why not just say, No plan survives first contact.
He got shot.
Cdo Nelson 😂 could have done couldn’t I
"a government unpopular with its people and military?" from 3:00 - 3:05 . wasn't the argentine government a junta that does exactly what its military wishes?
Even a dictatorship needs (or at least wants, to simplify ruling) SOME popular support, and when your military has a large number of conscripts that's doubly important.
Even in the military ranks there were men executed and persecuted because they were suspicious of harboring communist ideas. The juntas in latinamerica were US puppets doing the dirty job of killing people for thinking differently. Stupid cold war of the big world bullies.
Good lads
The School house was taken down by the Argentine AA gun, not the PARAs, Argentine troops thought the british had arrived at it and were hidden inside. A Scout Helicopter and a Harrier were shot down too but it was not mentioned?
No Harriers were shot down
@@mickyday2008 XZ988 Gr3, get a book
Facts please.
@@mickyday2008 aviation-safety.net/wikibase/55555 there you go
@@mickyday2008 No Harriers were shot down in _air-to-air_ combat during the Falklands War; five were lost to ground fire, and five were lost in accidents. Alejo Pellista's citation is correct; it probably wasn't mentioned because the focus in the film was very much on the ground forces.
You forgot the Suez operations in 1956.
Paras tab
Tabing is like yomping only faster
💂VETERAN SCOTS GUARDS....COL. JONES WAS NOT ALONE BUT ACOMPANI ED BY OTHER PARAS...💂
I hope one day Argentina and its leaders will grow up then maybe they would be as respected as the young men they sent to fight, sadly many comments by Argentinians on these videos show no signs of it yet just name calling and denial, an embarrasment to those who fought and have grown up
I'm guessing this was posted by an Argentinian! Let me say that Imperialism was a shameful chapter in British (and European) history, but for the last 70 years the UK has been granting independence to former colonies. The Falklands have only ever been occupied by Falklanders and the land belongs to them just as much as America belongs to Americans and Australians to Australia. If Argentina was to grab the Malvinas this would be imperialism. There's never been any legitimate claim to the Islands. The Argentinian argument is that basically it's part of the same continental mass as Argentina, both being projections of one Patagonian shelf - which is one with the South American continental shelf - but this argument would make Argentina entitled to Uruguay, and Uruguay to Argentina!, and Falklands to Argentina and Uruguay! So it's rediculous. I think it was appaling that Britain and Spain and France killed Native Americans and settled their land, but America belongs to Americans now. Similarly the \Falklands belong to the Falklands and it was actually an honourable sacrifice of the UK to kick out the invaders and protect the Island for it's inhabitants. If the Falklands wanted to be part of Argentina then Britain would be only too happy to let them go. In fact in the 60s the UK's position was that they'd be happy for this to happen if that's what the Falkland Islanders wished. But they didn't. Get over it! You've got to stop the Argentinian state indoctrinating your children through this myth of Argentinian ownership.
Sorry, I should say obviously the land was originally occupied by the British but as soon as they moved there they became the original Falklanders, just as the British settlers in America became Americans. The Falklands aren't part of Britain. They can't vote in British elections. They are self-governed.
@R Owen You mean the ones that are white and English speaking? What a mess all the rest of the former colonies are, what immense dissadvantage in trading terms they are to the rest of the world, how much they have lost their native customs and traditions to heriarchical societies based on wage slavery and killing the Earth? Read history. Look up the huge decolonization movement which is built on a firm knowledge and therefore critique of colonial history and all its ruinous effects on organic cultures and the environment, not the silly prejudices of someone who hasn't looked into any of this. And you can't seperate British colonialism from Dutch, French, Spanish and so forth: they all stemmed from the same disease of European Christendom that lead to a global rush to dominate, exploit and destroy and enslave. What were you saying about civilizing many corners of the globe? Who civilized America? Americans, after killing and destroying native American communities and ramsacking the Earth. India? After kicking the British out and developing economically yet still poverty is immense and the economy is a service economy providing what rich nations want. It's all a mess if you care to examine the Earth today and no nation has been more culpable than the British.
@@zeroxox777 las Malvinas "sr" pirata estaban ocupadas x Argentinos cuando en 1833 los ingleses decidieron usurparla x la fuerza y expulsar a los habitantes Argentinos q vivian ahi es mas Argentina es un pais INDEPENDIENTE desde el 9 de julio de 1816 cuando Inglaterra reconocio en 1825 la Independencia Argentina no reclamo las Islas Malvinas q ya estaban ocupadas x Argentina no se q parte de la historia le cuenten o le ocultan a uds los Ingleses...
Colonialism is occupying a place against the residents will. Go figure.
The Argentine Force in the battle of darwin was composed of the 12th REGIMENT (500 MEN)
Regiment 25 (80) men. Infantry regiment (8) total 650 men. without air support or heavy weapons ... the British had artillery and heavy weapons (120 MACNUN machine guns) AND air support
Even if this was the correct numbers for Argentine force you have to take into account that the Argentines were in prepared positions defending ground of their choosing and conventional military thinking is that an attacking force should have 3-1 advantage. British Battalion like 2 Para at the time was around 650 men.
Preguntale a los que llegaron en 1806. Se volvieron el mismo día, amigo
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Malvinas Argentinas. RIP soldados Argentinos e ingleses.
RIP the Argentine and British heroes..they fought hard and died with honour...
RIP. Yo soy ingles, y mi novia es de Argentina. Los politicos nunca deben hacer nuestras naciones luchar de nuevo.
Neil Cook
Bien Neil! tu novia debe ser muy linda..:) mientras tanto , te pido un favor, decile a tu gobierno que vaya pensando como devolvernos las Malvinas.
admsitio You didn't get my point mi amigo... I was suggesting reconciliation and understanding between our nations... Las Malvinas/The Falklands is history, it is in the past. The people who live there are 'Kelpers' - they don't want to be British or Argentinian, they just want to be left alone. Why can't we leave them to live in their tiny windswept sheep-filled islands, and just concentrate on more important things, like the problems in our own nations? :(
Neil Cook I'm with you. But i can't hide my thoughts about the sovereignty of the Malvinas Islands, 95% of us think that Malvinas are ours and England have it because might makes right and this is repeated history. It was 150 years of patient until 1982 and it was a big error to initiate a war, and im very critic with all of that. Especialy we have to separate our governmets of our people. No doubt about we have more important things and problems to solve and we have to find all the things we have in common and not the things that break us apart. I have so much respect for the British, all the good things you gave us, and im deal with such things in a daily basis, but nobody cant or must hide their thoughts about unjustice. Sorry for my english. What about your Spanish, your girlfriend didnt teach you quiet enough? :)
We won! get over it and let the Islanders get on with their lives.
los isleños son ocupas q estan usurpando 1 territorio q no les pertenece( y q lo hicieron x la fuerza) desde 1833 cuando hecharon a los habitantes Argentinos de las islas si yo voy y usurpo tu casa x mas q me quede a vivir en ella( como los kelpers) va a seguir siendo tuya entendes mi "querido" pirata...
No olvidamos, que nos fueron robadas por un grupo de piratas, por lo tanto no se puede aceptar la auto-determinacion de un usurpador.
We don't forget, that were stolen for a pirates group therefore cannot accept the self-determination of a usurper.
+Juan Pablo Morales Fortunately your accept is of no consequence. The Falklander´s get to make their own choices. .
Juan Pablo Morales your comments are as pointless as your failed attempt to take by force that which was not yours.the Falklands are British. they were then they still are now.get over it.
@Soreofhing www.elterritorio.com.ar/un-dia-como-hoy-de-1833-ocurria-la-usurpacion-de-las-islas-malvinas-5693454457842291-et
De que derecho me hablas pedazo de ignorante fueron usurpadas por la fuerza por una delegacion inglesa en un buque militar desalojando a su poblacion .
Pasaran 1000 años ..fueron usurpadas.....robadas...eso no prescribe porque te pensas que no fue declarado un estado independiente ????
No es tan facil si se aplica el derecho internacional...no fueron ganadas en una guerra ....fueron directamente robadas .
Estudia el tema si vas a hablar .
@@paulweston4829 It's funny, if you imagine taking territory from another country by the force. Then you put your citicens living there in a town. Then 150 years later you ask them, do you want to be Argentines? Of course they will say no, but that doesn't mean your occupation is legitimate, it's just that you are the bully with the bigger gun.
THE FAIKLANDS WERE NEVER ARGENTINE IN THE 1ST PLACE THEY ARE OVER 300 MILES OFF THE COAST, YOU EVEN THINK CHILE BELONGS TO YOU !!.... ARGENTINA WAS NOT EVEN AN OFFICIAL COUNTRY WHEN THE BRITISH CAME TO THE FALKLANDS. ARGENTINE SPANISH MASTERS CONQUERED SOUTH AMERICA & KILLED THE AMERICAN NATIVE'S SO THE SPANISH COULD SETTLE THERE ......SO THE SPANISH WERE THE PIRATES !!! THE ONLY ORIGINAL SETTLERS IN THE FALKLANDS WERE THE PENGUINS & SEALS ...ARE YOU GOING TO COMPLAIN THAT THE USA DOESN'T BELONG TO THEM.
Why is this narrated by history professors when the actual accounts of the actual soldiers is still there? Most of the actual soldiers are still alive FFS?!?
2 para had the best equipment available at the time , like a rifle that couldn't shoot automatic yh ?
It only takes one shot dickhead
@@serioussmoke1123 how does that in any way makeup for the fact that they obviously didn't have the best equipment available when it came to an assault rifle , also their night sight optics were not as good as the ones the Argentines had but I guess it only takes two eyes right .... Prick !!!!
Yet they still beat you.
@@oligultonn talking bout lad , I'm English
It was British doctrine to fire single shot, the rifle was a modified FN which was restricted to single rounds only. I've fired both SLR and FN while in the army and firing FN on automatic it is totally uncontrollable and runs away on you due to the heavy calibre. Plus with a 20 round magazine your magazine would empty in seconds.
Las islas Malvinas es propiedad de la República y nación Argentina⚓🇦🇷💪❤
a ilha das Malvinas pertence à Grã-Bretanha
The islands were never Argentinian, The British were in the Falklands before Argentina became a country. The Argentinians must stop lying and admit the truth .
The reenactments are dumb. So much of this video is incorrect. The garrison was 1,089 of which infantry made up less than 500. A total of 9 platoons(from 3 different Regiments) made up the defenses of which only 6 would take part in the battle in a staggered defence. The Argentines did not have 155mm artillery, only 3x 105mm pack howitzers, 1x 120mm mortar which was unserviceable and 4x 81mm mortars. 2Para did not have to fight across 14 miles. They walked that from San Carlos but the isthmus was only 8km long. These historians are useless.
Y nammer role, Royston with 2 Para
The bravest in the world the British Paratrooper the argie`s are not fighters the British are a warrior race.
Paul Mcdonough Is that what they were being on bloody Sunday? murdering swines.
I don't remember hearing much about that at Dunkirk, dipshit.
maybe the first bit is true but the rest is a load of bollocks - from a Brit who's proud of our armed forces. No need to talk shit about the opponent.
Paul Mcdonough spot on
I will drink to that sir!
Esta página de internet, youtube es de los argentinos, de gente que apoya a Argentina
Este video es para nuestros Héroes de Malvinas, esto es un homenaje, una dedicatoria para ellos porque los queremos mucho, los admiramos, estamos orgullosos de ellos y están en nuestros corazones
3rd world countries even celebrate their losses
john geddes says it all, read it. dont listen to this officer bs.
Paras don’t Yomp! Paras T A B. meaning Tactical approach to Battle . This is a very basic difference between Paras and Royal Marines This is a very poor documentary made by someone who has no real appreciation of military operation and practice in the British Army
TAB doesn't stand for anything, that's a backronym.
What is tactical about running?
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No tenemos gas natural en las viviendas
Exocet."
Look at 35:45, they were just kids against a professional soldiers. This was more a massacre than a battle.
the kid is around 18, the British had 18 year olds as well ffs, mybe if you think they were just kids then why did the Argentina send kids to war ???
@@blind1294 blinded by the leftist argentinian propaganda.
You idiot
I know, in latinamerica we all know. It's just the British that are fed with this biased propaganda portraying the Malvinas campaign as a huge task and as an act similar to the Greeks outnumbered agains the Persians... Argentine military junta left their best professional soldiers guarding the border with Chile, left the Navy in the ports and the Air Force did all they could with the old and limited resources. The conscript did not have proper clothes, their morale was low and were hungry. The British sent their best, even nuclear submarine and were trained to fight the USSR. My respect for the dead on both sides but dont come saying that the Birtish were in inferior position because that is a lie.
@@blind1294 That was one the mistakes made by Galtieri, thinking that Chile could attack meanwhile he left the best guarding the border. And the other mistake, he didnt think Thatcher would mobilize troops down here, that's why he just sent those unprepared conscripts.
Pirate greed knows no limits. Each time the vaults in London gets empty of pirate gold the Empire sends its fleet on a new war of aggression..
you really are thick as shit
Not you again.
@Tulaenelorto: Your channel's description gives your name as Roberto del Carmen Córdova Carreño, that you were born in 1965, that you are a member of the Socialist Party, a politician, a councillor and that you have served as a mayor - your constant comments under Falklands videos are EMBARRASSING.
If that's Argentina's elite....
@Tulaenelorto: La descripción de tu canal dice que te llamas Roberto del Carmen Córdova Carreño, que naciste en 1965, que eres miembro del Partido Socialista, político, concejal y que te has desempeñado como alcalde - tus constantes comentarios debajo de Malvinas los videos son VERGONZOS.
Si esa es la élite argentina ...
You actual idiot
@@iansoutryer3189 Well said! There are far too many fakes on the internet
POR SER UNA POTENCIA UK LA VERDAD LES DEMOSTRAMOS QUE NO VENIAN DE PICNIC.!!!
Se llaman FALKLANDS
Sólo para los británicos. En Argentina dile eso a ellos, te reventarán.
@@misterasterisco5217 en ee.uu. , alemania, italia....tambien las llaman falkland....y en mucho mas naciones
A tu mamá le dicen falkland
@@pablomiras6223 idiota.... 😂estas ardido. te duele que los ingleses les callaron la bocas
Hablan de picnic y al comandante de las SAS lo enterraron en dos partes, hablan de paseo y 8 buques en fondo del mar,se llaman MALVINAS y volveremos, está creciendo una generación que se anima y tarde o temprano las van a devolver por las buenas o por las malas.. y se nota que sos chileno, me encantaría decirte que tú ayuda valió verga a los ingleses se comieron una paliza de mucha ayuda no fuiste ni lo vas a ser..
17:16 Some 9/11 conspiracy theorist believe BBC said known in advance about the coming attacks... Yeah, like they could keep a secret like that! :'D
Theres some speculation that Winston Churchill knew about pearl harbour but he never said anything because he knew it would bring America into the war
Even though I have never heard about this before and am very skeptical, it wouldn't surprise me if Churchill did that.
@Mark Gable The Americans had broken the code before pearl harbor. Even the reports of masses of planes by the soldiers at the frontline on the island were ignored. There are so many anomalies it is hard to believe it was not allowed for war entry purposes.
Errrrrrrm, They reported tower 7, the 3rd tower that fell, had fallen.An hour before as it was clearly behind them. The video is available on here. How did they get that info?
Lastima que no está en castellano
Not exactly sure who these armchair generals are. They are not very convincing. Neither is the vid.
Acá en el centro de Argentina no tenemos servicio de cloacas agua potable y pagamos sus veces la energía eléctrica además no tenemos hasta en las viviendas estamos en el año 2017 y con esto arguyendo que la idiotez de ir a pelear por una Roca en la década del 80 etc etc etc... Dios!!! Cuanta idiotez
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@@mickyday2008 sorry, adont education 😔😔
@@daufi3433 habla tu ,di que sientes , vamos
Marines would have rolled straight through that night
Really. It was the Marines that surrendered without a fight that let the Argies in. 😁
@@colin...101 88 RMs versus an invading force of 4,000 argies, who wouldnt surrender?
Lol. Paras stole the show of a commando battle group. First troops ashore,first into battle, fought the fiercest defended positions . First troops into Stanley. Marines to busy posing for the cameras like raising the union flag in Stanley which had already been flown by 2 para !!!!
@@colin...101 You need to do some reading and research.
The Argentine Force in the battle of darwin was composed of the 12th REGIMENT (500 MEN)
Regiment 25 (80) men. Infantry regiment (8) total 650 men. without air support or heavy weapons ... the British had artillery and heavy weapons (120 MACNUN machine guns) AND air support
You might want to check that again the British didn't have half them assets during this pedicular battle
The Argentines own records and interviews show they did have heavy weapons and more men than that