The Falklands War: Remembered | The Untold Story | Timeline
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- This landmark documentary was produced 5 years after the end of The Falklands War and features interviews and insights from both the Argentinian and British sides.
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@@markponn4378 11q7
Sad rip ... god 🙏 bless him
Your approach has alienated me... totally. I had intended to pay for TH-cam Premium, but the continued hyper-aggravating-to-the-max ads by talking head Dan Snow [even in Premium] have convinced me not to pay. Tell that to your overlings.
My son died in this war he will forever be in our hearts and we are so proud of him. Gone but not forgotten Nathan we miss you...
@James Henderson Knobber!
I’m So sorry for your loss😢 Nathan RIP with God and The angels 👼
Respect
Sad, that people lose their loved ones and our schools don't see it as an integral part of our history. Right or wrong doesn't matter, these brave men went into combat and deserve to be spoke of with total respect. Time passes but we should never forget what those guys did.
A very unnecessary war... Sorry for your loss.
This is an EXCELLENT documentary. The interviews with both sides are fantastic. It's genuinely disappointing that productions like this are so rare today on television.
VIVA PERON VIVA EVITA
too true, the naughties where truly the golden age for the discovery channel and its counterparts.
I agree
It is so rare because the truth is never good propaganda. Pride is not worth dying for but it is an awesome tool used by politicians to get you to sacrifice your children. The last soldier to speak was quite correct it was all nothing more than tragedy.
@@gato-grande como se llama, Bariloche? Refugio de asesinos en masas, una vergüenza para Argentina haberlo permitido. Con perdón en el poder. Muy triste.
This is such a respectful and well done documentary.As an Argentine, I am moved to hear the story from both sides of a war that clearly should never have happened (Is there a war that should have happened?). My respects go to those who participated on both sides in this war, and I hope we never have to go through something like this again.
Best thing is not to attack the Falklands and then we won’t have to fight you to restore the Falklands self government. They are a separate country, nothing to do with Argentina and under our protection.
Belize central america I'm from and we're a commonwealth nation but you're right about the war!! War is never a good thing
blame the leaders of argentina the war is only about the justification of their brutal rule and to attempt to stabilise the country when they can just fix it without starting a war distraction...
@@shinigummyl1586 But you only are seeing a side of history, you saw what happened in England in early 80's , you know that the drunk witch needed the war and sunk the ARA Belgrano right?
@@shinigummyl1586 I was talking to an English man (when I called him "British," he quickly corrected me) and he told me what you typed here. The Argentinean government was corrupt, made some bad decisions, needed a distraction (because the results of those decisions were flying home to roost), started a war over the Falken Islands.
'willing to die for my country but not for a politician...' well put. i was in tears at many points in this documentary. my brother fought in vietnam; he was also very young. there is a reason why vets often do not speak of their service. war is grotesque in so many unspeakable ways.
War is a crime on humanity
This War should not have happened at all, Argentinas politicians brainwashed their population. Falklands people voices won on the day. Condolences to all deceased. Why is Argentina causing issues today is what I ask.
@@photo_n_art agreed
Thanks for his service
We should have this politicians fight each other on thier own instead of innocent lives who were caught in thier crazy ideas.
When the argentine man said he began to wonder if they were in invaders my heart sank. They were pawns in a political war. Those poor men..
i get the feeling we are all the pawns, war or not. we are the lucky ones.
I'm Argentinian and whether this islands are Argentine or English, this war was a tragedy, for both sides. In 1982 Argentina was under a military autoritarian government and this "politicians" just send people to a war without asking if they wanted to, many of them dind't even knew how to use a gun before this. This dictatorship was more guilty of the deaths of Argentine men than the English soldiers themselves, it's like we were our own enemy. It was a total tragedy, and I'm really sorry for English soldiers's deaths too, they were send there by intrested politicians
@Skyhawk Apodaca um the Falklands have no natives it was uninhabited until colonies were set up. Also the people of the island are ethnically white. Also stop being racist to white people.
@@paulinalabrecciosa5479 Although i agree entirely with your sentiments i would like to point out to you that the English state and army ceased to exist in 1707 with the acts of union with Scotland. The fiercely proud Scots, Welsh and Irish solders that fought there would be extremely annoyed that you blanket them all under the nomenclature English.
@@johnrosie9804 I didn't know that, in that case you're totally right, all of them deserve respect and to be honored. I'm sorry if I disrespected someone💞
Imagine if The History Channel tried explaining this. They’d probably tie it to secret buried treasure and ancient aliens.
😗Its not what the history channel tells you that is informational, it's the little details they leave out or change that reveal the true story. Most likely, you wouldn't even want to know the truth. That's why the matrix was a phenomenon.
@@johnnymcblaze no the problem is that they run documentaries like films therefore they do the cuts and bend information to make for better stories
@@johnnymcblaze history channel is dumb conspiracy theory dogsht..
@@recipoldinasty Did you mean dogshit ?
Jesus will be somwhere in this documental if history would've make it
1:26:26 listening to this brave man talk about burial duty literally made me weep. You can really tell he is trying to keep his composure for the interview & the images & emotions just come flooding back. I'm not from the UK but he is a hero to me & I have immense respect for him.
I think he has too much compassion and empathy for that kind of work. I only hope it didn't wreck the rest of his life...
Hardened battled soldiers reduced to tears of the futility of this political war.
@@stephenwhiting6265 Looking at The Falklands War from a military historical point of view it was much more political for Argentina than the UK. Argentina's failing government was trying to gain brownie points with a general public that pretty much hated them. Streets that days before had seen anti-regime demonstrations now had cheering, exuberant crowds going on about trying to take back what they call the Malvinas. Britain was just defending what it saw as its own people, which from what I've heard absolutely consider themselves British.
@@johnbrennan8611 I felt very sorry for the Argentine conscript who couldn't understand why everyone was happy why he got back after they'd just lost a war and many people had been killed.
@@gunternetzer9621 It was definitely a bad situation for them. Mens lives wasted so an unpopular dictator could get a few brownie points with a public who pretty much despised him. Territorial aspirations are one thing, but to send men to war because of your ego?!?! Nah man, that shouldn't fly lol.
This was an absolute eye-opener. It has made me think about war in a totally different way... and I served my country as a soldier. I truly felt the pain each and everyone in this documentary felt...a pain I didn't know existed until now. I am forever changed... for the better.
u wont know if u truly are for the better until u die.
what u think is better, maybe and can be disastrous and life changing not for the better for many. hold on to the thought that u are doing any good until the day u die. meanwhile u can keep trying ur best but it is silly to pass marks upon urself.
ABSOLUTELY NO PROPAGANDA...... I love it, this was the most non bias documentary I've seen in a long time!
the BBC refused to broadcast propaganda, they stated "British Troops" and "Argentine Troops" whenever the war was mentioned, the british government hated it but it was for the best especially when Argentina joined the allies in WWII, they had close relations with Germany before the war and they tried to remain neutral.
When 2 allied parties go to war it's very confusing and needs more research as to what made them want to do that... even the English was confused.
_"No propaganda"_ ?! Ever heard of a military documentary which is NOT propaganda ?
Here is a quite different version of the Falklands war... Please prepare yourself :
www.peterdavidbeter.com/docs/all/dbal74.html
www.peterdavidbeter.com/docs/all/dbal75.html
Buck Fiden
@@keramidasnicolas2079 now what u posted was propaganda
@@ttvtheundeadfarmer2549
There are two different forms of propaganda : the truth and the lie. You just have to make your choice...
I was 17 and my friend and I volunteered to go at the army recruiting office. The Sgt smiled and said come back when you're a bit older. I did and became an army medic and now I am a nurse :)
so?
You could have become a nurse without taking that route.
@@bertjesklotepino your point?
@@bertjesklotepino I was an army medic and a nurse. Now only a nurse. I am too old for military service. I loved being a medic in the British army. Yes could have have done nursing without joining the army.
@@neonred6886 your point?
@@bobsagget823 thx
I have watched this documentary at least ten times now. I couldn’t put my finger on what made it different from the many others I have watched over the years. In this moment I believe I have it. It’s the pain in that widows eyes. The tortured mind of that trooper. The visceral cost and tragedy of this war that was so excellently displayed in this film. The tragedy and pain of war on both sides.
What makes it different is that it's a story told by soldiers, not generals. it's a story about human suffering in wars, not about tactics.
Also I feel it’s so captivating since it was a relatively short and small conflict, but there is still incredible amounts of torment and suffering from those who experienced it
Did it ever occur to you at the time,that Thatcher and the Tories were struggling in the poles,and that the Labour Party pointed out that whenever the Argies threatened the falklands they would deliberately leak out the fact that the Uk had a nuclear submarine in the area.that always did the trick.Those men were sent down there deliberately and politically.
Thieves, it's an Argentina siete🇦🇷
I'm British and my wife is Argentine. Was refreshing to be able to watch something about both our histories without the usual although admittedly natural bias for one side.
Really well done✔
You should be an Argentine.
@@zaeedaziz2213 You should be Burmese
imo it was slightly biased toward the brits, specially with some odd choices like translating "Soldier" (soldado) as "Conscript" (conscripto)
But this is by far the best (and most neutral) I've seen
A dictator is a dictator. That's the problem they have in Argentina when trying to argue for it.
@@zaeedaziz2213 no he said he’s British
When we "learned" about this war in school, it was treated like a blip. "Ten weeks! Fewer than a thousand died! Next!" But this was the longest ten weeks of some people's lives, and it continues to be a long and slow lifetime without loved ones and caring for the injured. The history books conveniently forget the injured.
Thank you for this documentary. The pain is incomprehensible.
Yo no comprendo el patriotismo de esta manera. Pero ambas partes estuvieron valientes. Why? What for Argentina???😘😘😘😘😘
Maybe both countries may admininistrate those islands.😃😃😃El orgullo Argentina no basta.
El orgullo!!!😃😃😃
Yyo se que hubieron situaciones
cuando soldados hallados en terreno las pies sobre la tierra fraternizaron.😣😥😅😍😍
Tambien habian entrenadores argentinos de "comandos" que destuyeron a sus propios soldados durante el "entrenamiento".No lograron nunca nisiquiera luchar.
falleciron durante el "entrenamiento"😍😅😃😘😘
Afordunadamente politicos de Argentina tuvieron mas razon
prohibiendo continuar la lucha
de una manera inhumana.😂😁😀😃😂
Am a old man but it wasn't always so! Back in 82 was 28years old time passes but the memories never fade, to all the lads of my regiment 👍simply the BEST
respect
@Lacrim Front Nasocil soldiers dont debate politics they just take orders
Amen.
Respect Sir, you should march in buenos aires back then
It depends how corrupt a nation is
Having been there as part of the Royal Marine group this was the first time I have watched any film about the campaign. Lie many of the comments later I too feel the sense of outrage for the loss of life caused by political incompetence. The feelings you have at each stage of the campaign were well documented, what was not so clear was the fact that the force only knew what was going on from the BBC radio bulletins! The emotional feelings when it was over were challenging, and the trip back on Canberra did give us the opportunity to readjust to a point , but the reunion with families and the public was not easy with such mixed feelings. The opening 10mminutes of Saving Private Ryan are the closest anyone else might get to appreciate what it means to be in the sort of actions in the Falklands. As Chris Keeble pointedly said, war is never a good choice, everyone looses - no mater which side you are on. Having said that I was proud of the RM's and to be a part of them.
I was 15 years old and I suppose you might say I was going though a bit of a hippy phase, but I kept saying to people that’s going to be a war. Nobody seems to be taking it all seriously, on the Friday night, when the news broke, I left my friends house to walk home on a really moonlit night and found myself locked out and ended up sleeping on the grass.
I didn’t sleep much I was thinking about the Falklands, and of course nuclear war was always in your mind as a kid .
I still feel pride of what the British forces did, and even facture
But the politicians should never have let it get to that stage .
I don’t think people realise that when a soldier gets killed or injured badly, he doesn’t wake up the next day and it’s back to normal, sadly, some people never wake up
You invaded empty beaches wtf is saving private Ryan got to do with anything. Some reason I do not believe you're story.
Should have stayed home
@@topbanana4013 What The Royal Marine is talking about when he mentions 'Saving Private Ryan' is when the Royal Marines and the Paras for that matter, had to assault heavily defended Argentine positions, as they fought their way across the island towards Port Stanley. Do some research and you will then understand.
😭😭😭 ridiculous crybaby 🤣 @@topbanana4013
What a brutally honest assessment by a proud Argentinian "...I got there and I wondered what people are we fighting for", this was a tough war so far from home, I'm an Irishman, ex BAF three combat tours, the patriotism on both sides was admirable and I respect patriotism no matter who has it, it is ideologues I despise 🇮🇪🤝🇬🇧
Whats your service number? How many digits?10?
@@MyScubasteve if you think I'm putting ******** on here you've got another thing coming, believe if I served or not I don't care, I could Google the amount of digits, don't change reality, why on earth would someone pretend on here? You don't win a prize, most of the time I get abuse from bitter people "you are a traitor to Ireland" and more colourful ones, again I do not care, if it helps you sleep at night then OK, I'll tell you I never served, my PTSD must have been from watching movies, a condition I would not wish on anyone.
Falklands belong to the britian Ireland and Scotland and Wales
We Argentines are patriots like anyone else, that's why we defend our land and we will never let our heads be stepped on no matter how strong the adversary is, the Malvinas are Argentine.
@Sebas Vega But they never have been Argentine have they? They were never part of the ria de la plata agreement from Spain. Argentines have never lived on them, never farmed on them. Argentines have not been born on the Islands. Argentines claim was never made at or before your countries creation. You did not win them back through force and iligal occupation. Every country either side of you does not respect you. You try and steal land off them aswell.
Interviews with the armies of both sides, politicians, citizens. This documentary is incredible
The Falklanders do not share a common language with the Argentines; they speak English instead. As to political system, the people owe allegiance to the British Commonwealth. Thete are no traces of Argentine influence- cultural or political in the territory.
The people are very British in customs, traditions, as well ss religion.
...what is the reason for Argentina in invading the territory ?
@@levylacambra8417 yeah maybe because britain invaded the islands in the 1800s....
Indelible and incredible. 👍
@@levylacambra8417 HABLAMOS EN ESPAÑOL DESDE ESTADOS UNIDOS HASTA LA ARGENTINA ESPAÑOL ESPAÑOL ESPAÑOL MALVINAS ARGENTINAS
I like the way they've shown people talking about the same battles from both the British and Argentinian perspective
thatcher was crazy to go to war
Patrick, you are nuts, She swore to uphold the constitution and to protect and defend the british people and crown. She had no choice. Its easy to say no to war, unless you are the one charged with the responsibility.
Take Kenya, what choice did the president or parliament have when Al Shaabab bombs started going off in our malls and public transport buses? They had to send troops into Somalia to route out Al Shaabab. This is what you do when foreign troops of whatever uniform land at your door, even if its not the mainland
kenya catholic: Patrick is STUPID! Had Thatcher NOT gone to war she would've betrayed every Brit on the island!
Kenya you do not have a clue do you... Thatcher needed that war as much as the Argentinian Junta did. It was a political act... Months before the invasion Thatcher stopped all diplomatic relations with Argentina regarding the Falklands hoping that this would stoke the flames of Galtiarys hatred towards the Falklands.... Thatcher caused the conflict for her own means.
Makes it less biased
I wasn’t planning on watching this whole video but I was glued the entire time and have less than 10 min left. Great documentary.
british soliders were donating blood for the wounded even argentinan soliders brought in to the hospital, when the argentinan high ranking solider being held prisoner found out he told his men to donate there blood, not one solider died on the operating table, it's preserveing life and defending it.
I was attached to BMH Muenster during the conflict, 100% correct. I also dealt with casreps coming in. The British would use 120% against the aggressors, but would treat the enemy combatants with the respect demanded under the Geneva convention.
Honor among thieves.
When your a warrior, you understand the cruelty of battle. You realise there are no real winners or losers. Arrogance & pride is only to build confidence, but when the action takes effect you realise your vulnerability. You cannot stand with your dominant view anymore. You realise that you were only centimetres from being the shoe of the defeated. But you never fight as a coward. Bravery and courage is the only thing that keeps you going. This war was a political & imperial show of aggression & dominance
Most soldiers from Argentina did that. If British soldiers would have done it, I would said thank You!!!You behaved like human being. I'm from Argentina and I cried for both sides ! I'm a human being I can see the pain in both sides!
Interesting, thanks.
My driving instructor was in this war. He told me he saw a man cut in half by .50 caliber fire. It stuck with me as a reminder that war is horrible. RIP to the soldiers on both sides.
British?
I agree. Can we make this island group a UNESCO park, for peace on planet Earth?
@tinymahuta Said or typed by a war expert ....
@@santiagodespo9475 , what does it really matter whether it was British or Argentine!?
Eso pasa por ir a molestar a 8000 millas de distancia. Que hacen ciudadanos del hemisferio Norte en pleno Atlántico Sur..?????
Found your channel while recovering from a kidney transplant. As an amateur historian and having lived at the time of many of your stories, I love your insights. Should be mandatory teaching in schools. Keep up the good work! I grew up in a family of storytellers so I relate to Mark’s enthusiasm for each segment. Well done!!
Thanks for uploading. Very moving documentary. Condolences to the bereaved families who lost loved ones down there.
These interviews are extremely powerful, and I feel they portray things in a decidedly sober manner. Fantastic documentary
Broke my heart listening to them. War is so dirty and ugly. It should never be glorified.
This was an 1989 documentary
"I am not speaking with a gun in my back". So very British.
He should have added "Old chap!!"
Love it
@zz zz what's it to you?
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It must be acknowledged how the Argentines treated the British, repatriating the quickly, etc. That's more than can be said of the treatment the world will face at the hands of Chinese/asian captors, which will be happening in our lives. Sorry, asians. Evidence: WW2.
This moved me a lot. Thanks to all who work for better treatment of veterans everywhere.
I was a 21 year old American when the war in the Falkland Islands occurred. Wasn't much written about it in the states. The thing I do remember reading about, was the sinking of the Sheffield, by a Dassault Etendard firing an Exocet missile. This is the FIRST time I got an up close look at the tragedy of this war.
One of the best documentaries on TH-cam. Thank you for it.
Hi, I'm Argentine and my regards are all the fallen soldiers of both sides and very good documentary.✌️
Malvinas pertenece a Argentina. Vamos Argentina Exocet AIM -39 The Malvinas belongs to Argentina. Go Argentina Exocet AIM -39.
Bless you. From one human to another...
Jis dont try it again pal.
@@Stgfre never, you,'ll never get your hands on the Falklands, never
@@barrybarry3223 that's right
I’m left admiring the soldiers and despising the politicians.
The way it should be. Professional soldiers are honorable regardless of side, the politicians are the ones that send them to do dishonorable things.
Politicians are liars corrupt and have no honour.
A lot of wars leave people feeling that way.
Rightly so.
hang on there were politicians on one side and one disalutioned dictator on the other so who exatly do you blame or dispise
I watched the whole thing and felt a lot of emotion plenty time throughout the film. I don't know why, but the last line "perhaps it was worth it for Britain's sake" actually got a tear out of me.
Great documentary, the first hand accounts on both sides is just amazing, this was very well done.
The way the pilots talk about the Enemy on both sides is extraordinary such respect for each other gentleman at war
I saw a documentary in the late 1980s that showed the similarities between the British and Argentinian pilots.
Both came from well to do families (usually) and upper class Argentinians *loved* everything British.
Both liked to play Polo, both loved to race fast cars.
Argentinians even sent their kids to study in Oxford and Cambridge up till that time.
@@AudieHolland i know some argentinean fought in WW2 for britain
@@AudieHolland I don't know about the pilots, but the land and sea forces were working class young men that had been drafted with no prior training and whom were given very limited equipment if any at all.
@@patriciofernandez2711 Yes, Argentinian forces that faced the British on land were mostly poorly trained conscripts.
How calm that radio broadcaster was. "If you take the gun off my back..."
Asian guy. Arising from an innate sense of moral superiority. We’re British don’t you know!
Never expected me watching it in tears. Salute to all those who fought, injured and died in this tragic conflict. Great appreciation to those who could tell the stories. Respect from South Korea.
This is a fantastic documentary that explains both sides but also the actual emotional journey of those involved.
MY UNCLE DIED IN THIS WAR RIP BARRY HEMMINGWAY YOU WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN 🇬🇧
PHILIP WATSON 5 thank you for his Service, god bless 🇬🇧
😔
we as a nation will always be grateful RIP
Respect. A British hero.
Resurgam Barry RIP
I've been watching alot of Vietnam war documentaries and decided to watch this one. The contrast is stark. The respect and admiration the two sides have for each other here is amazing. What a moving and well made video this is.
If you’re Comparing VIETNAM to the Falkland Islands you’re highly Uneducated….
Did you know they all smoked weed, while other divisions were sprayed with agent orange? A battle between the religions on a field of war .... Four bags full from four wise men?
@@tommyharrison412 He wasn't comparing the war itself, but the level of respect each side had for each other compared with the hatred that dominated the Vietnam War.
@@jeffburnham6611 people can't seem to comprehend language. I agree with you
@@tommyharrison412 You have no idea what it means to compare something; you seem highly uneducated....
Very sad. Brave men on both sides. May the others RIP. Thank you for your service.
Good British men, evil argentina scumbags.
As a high school student I went on a Mediterranean cruise with 500 of us Canadian kids and 500 British kids. This happened in 1976. We sailed on an old WW2 ship called the SS Uganda. When the Falklands war broke out you can imagine my surprise when I saw the SS Uganda sailing up the Thames river going off to another war.
Sensitive documentary that gives time and space for people to speak. These days it would be a mess of talking heads being made to 'say' what the filmmakers had in mind. Was very moved by it. Incredible to think in 2 years it will be 40 years.
Very true. It would be more politicized today. One side trying to bash the other.
I was literally thinking about that. The scenes after the ship being sunk and the Harriers taxiing around got me thinking about that. The eerie ambient music with no talking really kind of drives it home and makes it feel heavier. The lack of a high paced nature actually gives you time to think.
It was a good doc except for the parts where they were exploiting veterans to retell their traumatic stories and get them to cry. Shameful of Timeline
I love the mutual respect of soldiers from either side. They're all a great credit to their respective forces
There wasn't actually. British commanders expected high resistance but the argentines given up without an actual fight. They had all the strategical advantages but given up easy . It was humiliating, and power only respects power. Enemies feared and respected the Japanese, vietnamies and German spirits. If the argentines had fought bravely and lost, yea..that's respectable. Some british officers were even refused to shake hands with the Argentine naval officials, stating 'they are not my friend, nor my enemy'.Go figure.
Paul V Barbar that’s not true. Actually there are interviews of british commanders saying argentineans fought braverly besides the technology diference that were between the two sides(we are a thrid world country). That with the soldiers on land, in the air the argentinean air force was very worldwide known because of their habilities(they attacked ships from the 80s with plains from the 50s)
Sory if my english is no good
@@francoo2317 I saw it on a documentary. It was on you-tube somewhere.
Paul V Barbar there is a documentary called falklands combat medics where british commander talks about hoy were the argentinean soldiers
@@francoo2317 Yea.. there are many documentaries there.. You had to watch few of them to get a bigger picture. Most documentaries try not to hurt anybody's feeling, but you can always get some gems of truth here and there. I watched a lot of em btw.
Outstanding documentary! I can still remember being an 8yo Australian boy watching our news services flooded with the footage shown here.
If it was not for British pride we would all speak German
War is a "dirty, messy, miserable business" perfectly summed up Major Keeble
"...and we should never allow ourselves to go to war."
For the sake of who and what?
Savagery for the sake of...?
@Imix Muan Yeah Buenos Aires really didn't think that invasion through. The 70's and early 80's were an especially rough decade for the West. England's economy and military wasn't in the best shape. On top of that was their obligations to NATO and presence in Northern Ireland. Same story in America. Post Vietnam, people were cynical and apathetic. Our economy and military was in the toilet. We had just come off the Iran Hostage debacle. The Soviets invaded Afghanistan knowing our ability to project power was severely weakened. Argentina thought the UK had almost no leverage of force to bring to the table. And I'm sure they thought Maggie couldn't walk the walk. That was a grave miscalculation.
@@justusjanssen2241 for just causes but for this? There was no real point at the time
The Soldier speaking in 1:26:28, about his experiences in the Falkland War, made me shed few tears. You can tell he was suffering from PTSD, which was not consider a big deal in those days. I joined the U.S. Army, shortly after that war took placed in 1985. Unless someone has been in combat, there is no way to explain it. The noise, the rush of adrenaline, not knowing if you will die or live, the screaming of your fellow soldiers injured, or dying. In general, this was a very good documentary, of that moment in time. I thank, all those who fought in that war. The ones who made it alive, and those who paid the ultimate sacrifice. 👏
I feel like he personally is responsible for a whole lot of people being against war...this came out before viral videos and youtube...I am shure it was even more powerful than
Was you at desert storm?
considerED ! - Past tense!
You either know, or you can only imagine.
Unless you know you cannot imagine.
Do u have ah thousand yard stare ?
The respect from both sides to each other is really awesome.
This has to be the best war documentary ever made. It puts so many things into perspective. Hearing both sides of the story and the respect shown by both sides is truly admirable, just because they were there to achieve their goals didn't mean they needed to disrespect their adversaries. It reminds me of all those people who have died for my freedoms, my ability to have my own house, sleep in a comfortable bed, something many will never be able to experience again. War is not fun, it is not glorious, it is a sometimes necessary evil for the ability of people like me to live a normal life. Il be the first to admit as a grown man this brought me to tears, I have personally been going though some serious mental health issues, having been very close to killing myself only to be saved by my friends, seeing what these men had to go through puts all my problems into perspective, it both gives me hope things can be better and shows me things could be much worse. It also reminds me of the war in Ukraine, such a pointless and senseless war, the Ukrainians will not... can not allow such barbarism and the destruction of all they hold dear within their land. To all those out there who have or are currently experiencing war and also those dealing with mental health issues I wish you all godspeed and to remember that everything you have and everything you will ever have is what you are fighting for, never give up!
I saw this documentary in the late 1980's. It's still the best documentary about the Falklands war. I was searching for it for a long time. Thank You for uploading it.
I thought it was the early 90s from all the mid-width mustaches..
This has got to be late 90’s to 2000’s or they were sending up some right old boys
First time I've ever seen it.
@@tiernandaly5622 1987.
The name is Malvinas.
This was one of the most informative and incredible documentaries I’ve ever watched. Actual footage, interviews with people from both sides, interview with politicians, family members. No BS just facts. Just war.
Where are you from?
I was a 18 yr old soldier who was on stand by and I remember ringing my father because I was so scared of going … 2 days later Argentina surrendered and I was one of the ones who was there when the fleet returned
I'm thankful for this presentation. I remember it and am pleased it is not forgotten. So sorry for the families who lost their sons.
At the age of 77, I have mellowed considerably. I thoroughly appreciate a documentary illuminating both sides as much as this one has and I feel such a burden over the considerable loss of life, mayhem, psychological trauma and physical suffering that accompanies war!
Don't worry there were no Royals harmed in this short little war 😉😀
@@bustersmith5569 At that time Prince Andrew was a helicopter pilot on Invincible, he flew missions including decoying missiles. So what have you done that compares to that? Have you ever put your life on the line? 😁🤣
@@cageordie . . . around the "Royal Mission" there - evidentially - was a tightly woven outer umbrella of ordinary soldiers putting their lives on the line in protecting the Royal Hero to be able to pretend "putting his life on the line" . . .
This is a phenomenal documentary. I found myself absolutely jarred by the back and forth commentary between British and Argentine veterans, recounting the same battles from different sides. It is an important collection of primary source information, and incredibly powerful even in 21. War only has victims
"War doesn't prove who's right, just who's left."
Could not agree more. So much suffering and agony over a couple of remote rocks just because a dictator wanted to divert people’s attention from internal problems.
@@clasencoach that and because the British wanted to be proud of themselves. You’ve heard Thatcher there. Sacrificed people‘s lives for national pride. She was happy to get hundreds of people killed so she can be celebrated. It should really fill us with disgust.
The dangerous level of national pride in the UK still persists. Many Brits simply think they are better than foreigners. Brexit is a result of that. No one should be proud of what others did that happen to have the same passport and no one should die for some queen or country. We are all just people and not good and evil people (like one of the soldiers said, they weren’t the enemy). Pride is a dangerous seed often planted by the people that profit from sending others to war or convince them to vote for Brexit.
@@jg5308 Sadly true words. I used to travel to England, Wales, Scotland or Ireland every single year because I love the countries. I was even member of the National Trust despite never having lived in the UK and not being a citizen. Now, since the split that was caused even in the campaign leading up to Brexit, I have not been back. I miss those moors, cliffs, cosy B&Bs and a pint in a pub. And yet I feel weary about going back, due to the rift it has caused.
@@clasencoach that’s a shame. You should still visit if you like it. I’m sure you’ll have a good time as long as you don’t rely on a hire car as petrol could run out again.😄
I served on hms intrepid in the Falklands RIP to all our comrades that did not return you will never be forgotten.
Impressive documentary, so well done showing both sides! How do people go on living after war, that's the terrible thing. My grandfather fought for England in WWI, and lived all his life with PTSD, which didn't have a name then. He always remembered the comradeship, it seemed as though those were the best days of his life, in a way. And the worst. He never spoke of the terrible things, just the good to us, his grandchildren.
Some years before the Faulkland war, in the 70s, Argentina nearly went to war with Chile, after three islands they claimed to be theirs. At the time, we chileans weren't prepared for an invasion. Luckily, pope John Paul intervened, but troops were moved to the south and lay waiting in trenches for the invasion. At the time Argentina and Chile had military in power.
Great documentary! Brave soldiers talking about their side is amazing.
Interesting that neither Britons or Argentineans dehumanized the enemy.
They didn't seem to have a problem killing each other!!!! Boris, you are a sociopath if you can't feel for these people.
@@desijrichert That is what war is...one side tries to kill the other. You don't go to war with whiffle balls and balloon paddles. Get a grip!
@@desijrichert Considering previous wars I think the soldiers on both sides were treated fairly. But at the end of the day, it's war. If the diplomats can't solve it, then only a barrel of a gun can. Argies invaded illegally - they shouldn't have done it. If they weren't there to begin with nobody would have died.
@@desijrichert out of all wars it was a humane war you got to take out targets but nobody wanted anyone to suffer more than was needed
@@desijrichert Sounds like a war amoung gentlemen IMO, what we faced in the Middle East was far different.
I wish that I could have just taken Dorothy Foulkes and given her a huge hug and a "thank you" for her contribution. I'm sad to see that she passed away in 2003. Life is so very temporary and she was, to me, a true gem.
You ask what this campaign achieved, the achievement was liberation of a set of islands from a foreign invader of a population of peoples who always maintained their loyalties to Britain. The Argentine made the mistake that distance would be a big problem, so they took a chance and caught a cold.
Excellent viewing providing an invaluable insight into both sides of the conflict
"War is a messy, dirty, miserable business. And we should never, ever allow ourselves to get to war." The most meaningful takeaway from this video.
Amen... It does things to people... Makes you see things you are not meant to see... feel things you don't wanna be feeling...
@@shep9231 GOOD BYE BRITAIN WELCOME EUROPEAN UNION
So if someone will attack you, what will you do?
Politician's don't care so long as they are not fighting in the war and sending others to fight for their failures to prevent wars.
EXACTLY!
As an Argentine I must said I like the respect witch this documetary treat both sides. It is important to rebember the people who give everything for their countries no matter the side you're on, and move on in peace.
ni perdon ni olvido
Which not witch. Witch is an evil person with magical power.
England is of evil 100% especially London. Ask Trump. Wwg1wga. You'll all see soon about your queen and the truth about the Vatican more evil.
Thank you for placing that obnoxious, five-second screaming ad right in the middle of the British officer who is crying for the first time in forty years. You ad marketers really dont know any better, do you? Have you ever knelt beside a burnt, soldier who is yelling for his mom? Please just get out of here! E9, USN (Ret.) 23 years USN, six ships.
@@brianfitz6083 is totally backward
Brilliant documentary, very heartfelt and moving.
Incredibly moving. A real documentary film that credits the viewer with intellect and empathy in equal measure. The fallen will be remembered always.
At the time of the Falklands War, I was a young United States Marine officer recently commissioned a 2ndLt attending The Officer's Basic School in Quantico, Virgina. There were many mornings when we would be watchin CNN's coverage from the British command ship... Later we watched as British forces attacked around Stanley. It was quite an education for a brand new officer. My condolences to all of those families on both sides who lost loved ones. God bless you all... especially Mrs Foulkes. 😞
@Ulster TBF Christ, you're dumb - actually Britain "supported" the Argentinians, too, cause of the "communist threat" during the cold war. And I very much doubt your statement, that "a lot of irish people found 9/11 to be "just" (!)".
@Ulster TBF You don't speak for anybody but yourself.
Mr Bagley,a lot of sorry left wing europeans love to hate america,it is a sad fashion.Hopefully one day some will wake up and learn to apreciate the young american boys who gave their lives so that evil does not prevail.Thank you from an english man. U.S,M.C.forever.
Mr Bagley,a lot of sorry left wing europeans love to hate america,it is a sad fashion.Hopefully one day some will wake up and learn to apreciate the young american boys who gave their lives so that evil does not prevail.Thank you from an english man. U.S,M.C.forever.
how did you feel seeing nato forces attacked
Every young adult in every school in every county should be shown this film. It’s the best explanation of the real tragedy a war creates that I’ve ever seen.
Oh. agreed.
It should be shown so that youngest are taught....DON'T sign up
Well said, very different take from the other docs out there covering the conflict.
And politicians none the less will not hesitate to grind that grist of peoples lives to satisfy their hurt feelings or selfish agenda
I have watched this documentary more than once before and it is still difficult to watch. Excellent that the documentary gets testimony from both sides and goes to show yet again, the madness and waste of wars.
Thank you all for your Service🇬🇧
That lovely lady at the end of this documentary who lost a husband who she clearly adored is probably the most heartbreaking part of this whole story. The real cost of war is always unimaginable grief.
He is well died
I am 72 now was in the royal navy ,,,came home for Xmas leave my girl friend who I loved gave me a message from her dad ,you can't marry him in the Navy ,so I got out ,missed this war by luck ,,but lost buddies ,and it sounds foolish but I wanted to be there ,,,
And for what? For a desolate sparsely populated island 8000 miles from Britain that’s most couldn’t even find on a map.
Total waste for no gain but the whims and feelings of politicians
"They never tought us to hate the British". That was my old man's answer. He was about 50 and had gone through the navy by the time of the war. It cleared many of my doubts about how the conflict unfolded. Not sure if it has been the case since. Hope it is. Hate and pride are awful moral compasses. Thank you for the video.
I was in school in the late 60's to 80 in Argentina....we were taught to hate Britain and were constantly reminded of what the British empire had done.
"They never tought us to hate the British" well that's something we should fix for the comeback
@@oceanblue3050The British Empire did nothing that the Spanish Empire did not a d did a lot that was better. The Argentina’s shouldn’t be complaining about the British empire while speaking SPANISH and making unprovoked attacks on islands that had an entirely British history of settlement
'Hate and pride are awful moral compasses' Wow. Brilliantly said.
My dad was there too on the British side, he has never expressed any hate to the Argentinians. He never saw the point in being there.
Simply fantastic production!!!
I agree with the tone of this documentary. War is a waste of human energy.
That being said, they really didn't give enough perspective from the British people living on the Island. How they felt. That one woman that said she was jumping up and down, just before the Argentinian soldier threatened her to get down. That is why the military personel died in that conflict. They were doing what they are paid for.......protecting the people........and I salute them.
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This was fantastic, especially from the perspective of a bilingual person like myself. The interviews and statements from all involved on either side were spot on and very emotional. I must say that for years I'v always been taught or heard that Argentina was defeated with almost no resistance or fight in return. I beg to differ. For a nation or military that never experienced war, they fought & flew rather well delivering some brutal shots to her majesty's forces. It was certainly not a walk in the park for the British. Kudos to the exceptional treatment, medical care, and overall respect for the injured, captured and fallen by the British. Excellent form. Thanks very much for the documentary.
I couldn't agree with you more on most of your points. However, it is not totally accurate to state that Argentina "never experienced war". It would be more accurate to state that Argentina had not experienced "recent wars" (unless you consider bloody coup d'etats as "wars", like the bombing of Buenos Aires in 1955). Argentina experienced many wars, against Spain, which liberated Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay, Bolivia and Peru (wars that were initiated by the liberator Juan Jose de San Martin, and only "finished" by Simon Bolivar), wars against Paraguay, wars against Brazil, and wars against several British invasions. I should also mention that Argentina was victorious in all those past wars.
eyescrynot - That means that you must be a very young person that wasn't around I 1982.
The Argentnian pilots made these French Exocet rockets famous.
The French leaders that exported these weapons to the world were all smiles -
after the Argentinian pilots demonstrated how lethal these weapons were in action.
@@bobcasas1 Not to mention their wars of expansion into indigenous lands in the South
What I admire the most about Argentina , is the fact that they knew they were inferior but had the balls to go ahead and fight for their land!
I'm also bilingual and always check facts ,Viva Argentina!!!!
Although I am greatly saddened by the losses suffered by both sides, I cannot abide by the sentiment that Britain's retaliation was made out of "pride." Imagine a world in which one nation can, at will, seize territories from another with impunity. What kind of world would that be? We do not tolerate car thieves and bank robbers. Should theft on a grand scale between sovereigns be tolerated? What would the consequences be of such tolerance? Unfortunately we can see the results of such tolerance in many American cities these days, as thieves and murderers escape prosecution, or are punished so lightly that there is no deterrent effect on others. And our cities are in chaos, and their streets are a shambles. Imagine this on the scope of nations.
You cant say that when the americans instaled the dictatorship that went to war with britain. They killed so many argentinias as well, drowned people with vomit. But then you just forget abt it
This is a truly excellent documentary. I learned a lot, and my attention was held.
My dad fought in this war i have massive respects for him and every other soldier that fought for us and i hope you do too
My grandson died in that war, I'm proud to be the grandfather of a true warhero
Respect
Liar. What a disgrace of a human you are.
@@sammyw6687 what do you know!?!!!
@@kynanverwimp847 what ?
@@sammyw6687 who ?
That ending statement was brutal. I have no words.
A fantastic documentary. Thanks.
The only thing I didn't like about this doc was how they glossed over the long march. That was an incredible feat, carried out by some of the hardest professional soldiers ever. Very under appreciated, how difficult that must have been. Other than that, very through and great.
The reason for this is the vast majority of the land forces didn't walk across East Falkland. 2 units did walk all the way (3 Para and 45 Commando RM). 2 Para walked from San Carlos to Goose Green, and then moved forwards to Fitzroy by Helicopter (and their movement to the jump off point for the second battle they fought was also by air lift). 42 Commando RM flew direct to Mount Kent by Helicopter. Gurkhas walked from San Carlos to Goose Green and after doing foot patrols around the southern half of East Falkland, move to Fitzroy by Sea. Scots and Welsh Guards moved forward to Fitzroy by Sea Lift. 40 Commando RM went all the way east by Helicopter. The two units that did walk all the way actually suffered a lot of casualties doing it , either from exposure or injuries from walking over broken ground.
I ran that run from goose green we was droping half way through .we thought we was dead it was cold but we was boiling .and we had water .god knows how they did it with out water.under fire in the dark and colder.that wind you never know nothing like it if your faceing it head on .
The long March was not the greatest idea ever.
@@pauljamessquibbs.3945 Not many other choices though unfortunately. The original plan had been to airlift them, but that was rendered impossible by the Chinooks going down with Atlantic Conveyor. There were just not enough helicopters left to do it and keep up with the logistics they also had to supply. The loss of Sir Galahad and Sir Tristram removed two of the LSL's, which meant that sea lifting them was impossible as well. There was literally no other choice after that BUT to walk. At least for 3 Para and 45 Commando.
An excellent documentary. I feel sorry for all those who were killed, on both sides. Very sad for the families who lost loved ones.
Agree
its true. Very sorry for the people of the falklands. Not one of them now, or in history, had any connection to Argentina. It was a complete assault on the people.
Argentina has moved on, hopefully, as they know it was not nor will it ever be (the falklands) part of their country
mmcca478 sadly they still claim the islands and although they’re in no shape military to do anything now it’s thought that in a decade or two they might be strong enough to pose a threat to the islands again. But don’t worry that’s a worse case scenario. Right now. Their ships can’t make it out of port without sinking
@@iam-awsome8127 a war in these days isn't a viable option for argentina, even if they have the power to do it. Going in a war again will close the gates of the country to the world like 1982. And i can assure you it won't happen again. Argentina is claiming the islands peacefully and it will remain like that.
@@iam-awsome8127 Sadly for doing what we ever did since Uk stole the islands in 1833?? 🧐
This did mention a couple of points not often commented on....the exemplary behaviour of the troops on the Falklands ( in general) and the pure guts of the Argentinian pilots ❤BTW I sailed as crewmen on the Canberra
The British troops were well behaved. The Argentine ones... Not so much
I was about 8 when this occurred. I remember being fascinated by the whole thing. I didn't understand it, but was completely taken in.
Leaving the troops on the landing craft in broad daylight was unforgivable
Zaps Zapper plain stupid
British arrogance, which was also displayed at Hong Kong and the sinking of the Repulse and Prince Of Wales.
Come on, man. You could easily squeeze another dozen ads in there.
you can easy use adblock
not with win 10 @@godfather7174
@Ron H. TH-cam Red can shove off. Wanting people to pay for original content funded by TH-cam is one thing, but shoving even more ads into the mix just to make you so sick of seeing them is another.
@@crucifyrobinhood Yes you can. If youre using edge then check the windows store for adblock. If youre like me using chrome use ublock origin, works the best because it is constantly being updated and open source. Fire Fox its possible but I have no idea how.
Ron H. Do you recommend? I've been debating just getting it.
I will always remember the image of Guardsman Grimshaw being carried from the helicopter. So sad, so shocking.
Glad to see that he appears to be ok.
I mate if mine was on Galahad.
He is physical fine. But has his demons.
Like so many others. Sometime the worst scars are invisible.
Sad the WG C.O. didn't listen the the RM beach master!
Excellent documentary.
What I'm staggered by is both UK and Argentine soldiers are so introspective and civil. The war should never have happened but thank all for their service. We should be on same side not opposite!
Yes ! I salute you from Buenos Aires.
I believe they have served together amicably as UN peacekeepers.
Que estupidez La Guerra
Osvaldo Bayer !
They don’t make documentaries like this anymore,fair for both sides.Obveously
The Vietnam War by Ken Burns is excellent. Soldiers on both sides contributed many hours of interviews.
Joseph Kirk Will read but never forget, the US had no intention of winning that war, it was all about being seen to react.
@@UncleBoratagain they couldn’t for fear of Chinese intervention like in Korea
But let’s be honest, Argentina is the aggressor here and what they got was deserved. Those Argentine Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, and Airmen were the bad guys. The brave ones are the British civilians who endured the evil actions of the Argentinian enemy. The heroes are the British military who beat back the enemy and liberated the British Isles from the invading enemy. PERIOD.
@@bobalobalie Argentina was in the wrong but most of its soldiers where conscripts and really didn’t have a choice also there is no EVIL but it was just a dictatorship that was collapsing trying to win a cheap victory
1:39:10 Anyone who has ever served in a combat zone can totally relate to this. This guy's commentary hits home. Great documentary.
*This massive discrepancy exists even though there is no gender bias in the law favouring females. Whether you like it or not, the welfare system forces you as a man to pay for single women, many of whom, as you know, are degenerates.*
Without welfare and all kinds of affirmative action promoting women in the workplace, women can't support themselves. The feminist welfare state just distributes the burden of taking care of women to all working men. So you, as a man, have the burden of financially supporting these women without any benefit in return, women who will berate you and call you an incel if you disagree with how stunning and brave they are.
Western liberalism forces you as a man to fund the lifestyle of women drinking, sleeping around with a new man every night, popping anti-depressants like candy, and going to the women's march on weekends to whine about how oppressed they are. You're subsidizing all that.
Women being free is not free. Someone has to foot the bill. /
*Islam says, no. No one gets a free ride. If you want to be taken care of, you have to be in a marriage as an obedient wife. And if you don't want to be an obedient wife, go be a burden on your father, who didn't raise you right. And if you don't want to live under your father's roof, go live in the wilderness or beg on the streets. See how long you last there.*
I am watching and writing this in 2022. I searched this out, in light of the Russian war on Ukraine. This documentary is abrilliant, balanced and thoughtful account over the Falklands/Malvinas war. It was an insane occurance that never should have happened.
Trying to understand and make any sort of sense of these two wars, is very difficult. Yet the fact is, people are killed by other people in these wars, so trying to make sense of it is a necessety.
The only sense I can make, is NEVER start a war. Try everything else, and be extremely patient. A resolve may take decades, and the underlying driving issues may change, or even become irrelevant. Like I can hardly see the French and German ever going to war at each other again. The construct devised to prevent such a war, that eventually became the EU, was very clever thinking, replacing a fourth war. (1870's, The Great War and WWII)
I am disturbed by the fact that not even I myself, can recollect the names of the German and French men who came up with this brilliant peacekeeping construct, "The Carbon and Steel Union". It seems memory and history telling favours people acting in war, not peace. It is almost like we are all collectively telling political leaders, that if you want to enter a mark in our history telling, you need to start a war.
All that sayed, there will sadly always be people in power somewhere, that will start a war. So sadly, we need to prepare for this type of complete breakdown of human endeavour.
Seaborne invasions are arguably the most difficult and risky of military maneuvers. The troops landing are vulnerable until they can establish a viable beachhead. How the British managed to execute this operation from over 8,000 miles away is incredible.
Bullet-Tooth Tony we are good at what we do
I think D-Day taught some lessons lol
They have been at sea for centuries
Yes! As if the Japanese had also landed ground troops at Pearl Harbor.
@@tombrydson781 ENGLISH SURRENDER 1806 1807 MONTEVIDEO BUENOS AIRES
I am Argentine and I want to say that I am very sorry for the losses of both sides and I hope that things will be resolved peacefully. This war was caused by the politicians of the 2 countries.I hope I never have to go through that again. I respect your soldiers as much as they, they are people with a lot of respect and warriors. Greetings from Argentina. Buenos Aires
Unfortunately only one country invaded the other and made a peaceful resolution impossible.
@@jj18057 damn politicians
@@jj18057 The british are illegal occupiers under international law and this has been declared a case of colonization by the UN. The ball for sustainable peace is still on their side. Hope you have that right.
Respect to all soldiers no respect for the u k they some yellow teeth 🦷 colonists
Argentina
With zero legitimate claim to the islands (Spain have more of a claim than Argentina) Im not sure what they expected to happen...
They'd occupied South Georgia island a couple weeks earlier and there was no British response....as I understand it, there was a feeling that the British cared so little for the islands they held near Argentina that they may do nothing about it, repatriate the soldiers and civilians who were on the islands and then Argentina gets on with settling the islands themselves.
Despite the subject, it is very pleasing to my ears to hear such clear articulation of the events, as opposed to all the gibberish people speak now. No swearing, no superfluous commentss.
Damn, that last line of the documentary by the mother almost brought me to tears.
can you tell me what did she said in the last line? I dont get to understand it
@@pablovergaraorihuela3075 “the price my family paid... no one will ever know exactly what price we paid. Perhaps it was worth it for Britain’s sake.”
war at its most potent. its best and its worst. We should remember her words...
This doc has been on my watch later list for 2 years, now with the covid19 i finally have time to watch it in all entirety. Highly recommended.
Hhh same here
Same over here buddy!
Im warching it like 3rd time
Your life must suck if you cant afford 1 hour
@@IrrationalCharm or busy?
Just because it is part of the same continental shelf does not mean it belongs to you
Yes it technically does, if that wasn't the case, Argentina couldn't ge to despute it
@@ramrd5779 so Japan belongs to China, Ireland belongs to France, Iceland and Greenland belong to Canada , Indonesia, Papua New Guinea and the Philippines belong to Australia, Greece belongs to Turkey is that what your really saying because by your logic that's exactly what you are saying.... Don't be so stupid 🙄
Sumed up by the the comment from the widow at the end. Pride. Those guys from both sides went through horrific experiences for the sake of two proud nations.. War is truly horrific.. My heart goes out to the soldiers that fought, lost their lives, injured physically and mentally and the families who also lost their sons, brothers grandchildren relatives.. ❤️❤️❤️❤️💔💔💔💔💔
What is truly horrific is statism and the mindless people who enable it.
Argentina invaded British territory entirely unprovoked. They alone are responsible for the war.
This documentary is about the horror of war, but the truth is that Argentina started a war to prop up a failing government. The blood of young British and Argentinian men lies firmly on there shoulders.
their, David. their shoulders..... smh......
I'm glad you picked up on the important part.
Spelling & grammar ARE important to proper, clear communication, David. Off to remedial English with you!
You're right... I was there in 82, american by birth, my parents were argentinians, I was a teenager in school. Argentina was in the brink of a revolution, pople were fed up but as soon as they announced the invasion, everyone was united against England... like if it was a footbal game. I knew Argentina could not win. The conscripts were forced to go to war they were poorly equiped, poorly trained and poorly fed. I told everyone at the time that if England wanted, they could bomb the mainland with the Vulcan... It was a desperate move from Galtieri, right out of the book on how to manipulate the people.
And Thatcher fought it to get re.elected ...!