@@denvera1g1 is that true ? so if i make an indent for custom ram size. it takes a lot of money damage on apple cause they will do a whole process from scratch
@@denvera1g1its not on die. It’s a stacked sandwich of chips all soldered together. So you have to separate the APU from the RAM. It’s doable. But it’s really really hard.
You definitely have a way of making a complicated procedure seem simple. I look forward to your next video . . . how to replace your own heart without missing a beat.
Holy cow! Not sure how I ended up here. But that was a wonderful dive into high pitch soldering and hex editing. Very well explained I could probably even do it now!
This is cool to watch but you will have to flash the memory whenever you do flash a new firmware on the bios. So, if you are thinking of having someone upgrade the system memory, remember, you have to flash the memory everytime you upgrade the bios. This is info not told to people.
Well if needed it is not a big issue to write a patcher. Since it is compatible enough to boot even with original SPD block, soldering will not be necessary. As for initial installation it is easier to repair tech to work with spi directly.
If you have UEFI like this does, you don't. The board will normally do it on boot. It reaches out on boot to see hardware, then sees the RAM. If it's the same manufacturer ID, it will just feed them timing and JEDEC info to run at the speeds and latencies of the last chips just with more capacity. I know ASUS does this and Acer. I believe it to be a factory thing for DDR5 ICs. I've replaced my 8GB Hynix ICs in my Asus Zenbook with 315-ball SK Hynix ICs with 16Gb (8GB) ICs. 8x4=32GB. Make sure to use as close as possible, the closest IC you can. Timings, speed, and most important... Pad count. Mine are 315-ball pads. Makes the whole process easy.
That's how we did it for years in repair shops, you don't need X-Ray nor oven. RAM packages are the simplest and easiest to replace. The fun starts when you replace thin substrate non-square CPU packages.
I made things for the military and medical field, so we had to X-ray almost everything for liability issues. It is still crazy how quick you are with the BGA. Love the content. Hope more people see this and learn such skills. @@FrozenHaxor
God I'd hate to see just how tiny the stencils for solder balls of that small of a footprint must be. Sheesh, must be a nightmare. Also you made dumping, updating, a flashing a BIOS look so easy omg.
Thats so cool! I wish i could do something like that but yeah.. im too dumb for that kind of stuff lol. So i just buy the Ally X to have the additional RAM over the non X.. Your videos are satisfying to watch, keep it up!
Absolutely fascinating. Thank you for sharing. I have no plans to ever do this type of modding, but I admire those with the knowledge and tenacity who can do this. :)
Amazing video!!! I remember seeing when you did the same thing with the steam deck. I located in MD would love to have this service done with my legion go.
Thankfully people like you exist. Great video and congratulations on a successful upgrade. I wonder if next Legion Go will have enough memory. If not then I now know a person who might potentially upgrade it. Hopefully it won't be too expensive haha.
Great work. I hope Lenovo looks at the video on what the next generation RAM should have, along with the next generation APU and at least 1 gigabyte (better 2) PCI 4 SSD. Then they will stand out from the crowd of handhelds.🥰
Amazing, the amount of different skill needed to do this is incredible, but seeing explained like this makes it seems really simple. I was most curious about the software part of the mod and this really given the information needed.
that is a brilliant man !!!!! every single technical theories during the play which this experties in this realim thank you for sharing this vidoe for rest of product taker who can only image about to upgrade which is dram come true.
Honestly impressive bro I remember seeing hxd when I was like 10 and didn't know much about bht to change some stuff for a game jaja but that's crazy making me want to make my legion go 32gb
I'm surprised to see Lenovo did not use their black epoxy underneath the apu and ram - this was very widely used in their laptops, making repairs much harder than they need to be. edit: I have a question on bios updates that wll for sure appear for this device and might be actually beneficial for it - like changing power limits, fixing security vulnerabilities and other fixes. As i was working with Lenovo bioses (specifically for thinkpads), the bios has to be digitally signed (not only digitally signed but signed porperly) for the device to properly update and not cause a bootloop or checksum mismatch - would an bios update work in this case? also, if it did work, it would probably overwrite the spd data with new values, again limiting the usable ram.
Nice, can you find faster RAM chips than stock and can the SPD data be modified to account for the faster speed? Looks like LPDDR5X goes as high as 8533 MT/s but stock it's just 7500 MT/s. Also curious if you can do a similar video for the ROG Ally. Thanks!
So true. Since the ally x is now just above the go in most games by 1 to 3 fps , 32gb ram in the go should easily push it even further ahead of the Ally til the go 2 and z2 extreme ally come out
@joshua7426 It really doesn't. Not in a substantial way anyways. Double the RAM for 6 more frames is stupid, there's"tons of proof" of what I mean. Do you know what "diminishing returns" means? You literally said the difference in the Ally X is 1 to 3 FPS you think that's worth whatever it costs to do this and risk damaging the board? You just don't get it and think the bigger the number the better it is. Then say I make dumb comments.
holy shit this dude make it look so easy. even soldering tht damn chips already feels like a pain in the ass to me and even the bios modification is totally beyond my understanding lol
Note: I contacted both guys about this upgrade for my Legion Go. One flat out told me the upgrade had been unreliable for people due to poor quality chips, so was no longer doing it. Maybe oneday we will get better chips, not China sourced?
My question is, does the BIOS also have provisions to allow for more VRAM to be allocated to the GPU as well? Further modification could allow for probably a max of 8GB to be usable by the GPU leaving 24 for the rest of the machine to utilize, which in practice for some games is more than enough, especially considering some games need a minimum of 8GB to start no matter what quality level you're going to drop it to after to get it playable.
I believe what genius accomplished here is to be able to run 8 gigs safely on handheld mode, and then remove the bottleneck the CPU ram poses when on eGPU
Nice, I want do it but want to wait for the USB flash version for the BIOS since I don't have a reader. Nice to see you can still use the Go with the new chips with modifying the BIOS.
So if you don't edit the firmware after the upgrade, the system still boots, but doesn't use the rest of the RAM. Does this mean that if you didn't perform the upgrade but still did the firmware edit, or otherwise told the system that it has more memory than it really does, it would try to write to nonexistent memory? Is there even some defined behavior that's expected to happen in this case, or can we just expect it to totally freak out? Also, I thought modern chips wouldn't load firmware unless it's signed by a key burned into the chip. But obviously this mod makes the firmware no longer signed. Have I been misinformed? Isn't it unnecessarily risky to desolder the firmware chip and solder it back to the board? I thought you could just write to it from within the OS? That's what firmware update utilities normally do, right? And if not, aren't there clips to attach to them?
I think it should break TPM measurements, but that doesn't stop boot - some features, e.g. Bitlocker, might be broken though. There is also usually signature verification for updating BIOS from device, which is probably why update from the OS wasn't done (in addition to having to read the BIOS first anyway) and it was desoldered and written to more directly instead. As for clips, I'm not sure if there are any easily available for this specific package, but it might've just been that the author didn't have one.
Very nice job. I would like to know how much you charge for this and where are you located? Thanks! I would be happy to try doing it myself because you made it look easy but I don't have the proper tools like the hot air rework station and eeprom flasher.
My man woke up this morning and chose greatness. Seriously impressive work as usual.
can it run minecraft with shaders?
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dos dude and the man in the subway. colab when?
ThE gReAtEsT TeChNiCiAn ThAtS eVeR LiViEd
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That's high praise coming from "the greatest technician that's ever lived".
Dosdude’s superpower is to be able to buy the entry level version of any product
Except Apple where the SPD is apparently on die :(
@@denvera1g1 is that true ? so if i make an indent for custom ram size. it takes a lot of money damage on apple cause they will do a whole process from scratch
@@denvera1g1its not on die. It’s a stacked sandwich of chips all soldered together. So you have to separate the APU from the RAM. It’s doable. But it’s really really hard.
This is beyond my realm of understanding, but was still intrigued. I wish I had a friend like this guy! Well done sir!
Would love to see an Before/After test in apps and games
Nice work!
You're a legend dude. Changing soldered memory modules is probably more common than swapping DIMM's for you 😅
You definitely have a way of making a complicated procedure seem simple. I look forward to your next video . . . how to replace your own heart without missing a beat.
Holy cow! Not sure how I ended up here. But that was a wonderful dive into high pitch soldering and hex editing.
Very well explained I could probably even do it now!
Always crazy skills !
I discovered your videos 2 months ago and since then I've been hooked 👍
I'm always amazed by how easily you can deal with those ICs with the tools you have! Well done!
This is cool to watch but you will have to flash the memory whenever you do flash a new firmware on the bios. So, if you are thinking of having someone upgrade the system memory, remember, you have to flash the memory everytime you upgrade the bios. This is info not told to people.
if someone is doing all this stuff, future firmware updates overwriting the bios is pretty obvious...
Dumping SPI_NOR flash is interesting 😅 just to make sure to unprotect the lock protection bits before writing
Well if needed it is not a big issue to write a patcher. Since it is compatible enough to boot even with original SPD block, soldering will not be necessary. As for initial installation it is easier to repair tech to work with spi directly.
If you have UEFI like this does, you don't. The board will normally do it on boot. It reaches out on boot to see hardware, then sees the RAM. If it's the same manufacturer ID, it will just feed them timing and JEDEC info to run at the speeds and latencies of the last chips just with more capacity. I know ASUS does this and Acer. I believe it to be a factory thing for DDR5 ICs. I've replaced my 8GB Hynix ICs in my Asus Zenbook with 315-ball SK Hynix ICs with 16Gb (8GB) ICs. 8x4=32GB. Make sure to use as close as possible, the closest IC you can. Timings, speed, and most important... Pad count. Mine are 315-ball pads. Makes the whole process easy.
Incorrect. "Flash the RAM"? Do you have any idea how dumb you sound saying that?
Bro just hand swaps a BGA with no Xray no oven. Wild stuff bro. I worked as a SMT operator for years and this is impressive.
That's how we did it for years in repair shops, you don't need X-Ray nor oven. RAM packages are the simplest and easiest to replace. The fun starts when you replace thin substrate non-square CPU packages.
I made things for the military and medical field, so we had to X-ray almost everything for liability issues. It is still crazy how quick you are with the BGA. Love the content. Hope more people see this and learn such skills. @@FrozenHaxor
I'll probably never do this, but I still appreciate this video and did watch the whole thing.
His voice is so soothing, it's like someone is scratching my head
u gay brah
You make all these upgrades and repairs seem so easy man I can't stop watching
Since iGPU and CPU use the same & shared memory, 32GB RAM is make sense. Love the details on this video
Why didn’t they sell us a version with 32 bg of ram? I would paid the extra 50-100$
@@Mercer696 they probably didn't think the device would get this far in tbh
Yeah. I want to like the LeGo so badly, it’s so close, but 16GB of shared just isn’t enough.
Amazing work as aways! And that bios editing part was a great lesson.
takes me back 20 years in my career editing eproms.
Now this is educational and entertaining ❤
most of us swapping rams and gpus, Bro is out here modifying the alien codes...awesome job
God I'd hate to see just how tiny the stencils for solder balls of that small of a footprint must be. Sheesh, must be a nightmare. Also you made dumping, updating, a flashing a BIOS look so easy omg.
way out of my league but boy i watch the whole vid , so fun to watch , thanks!!
i have been looking for this, thankyou thankyou🌺
Thats so cool! I wish i could do something like that but yeah.. im too dumb for that kind of stuff lol.
So i just buy the Ally X to have the additional RAM over the non X.. Your videos are satisfying to watch, keep it up!
You make some of my favorite content right now
Absolutely fascinating. Thank you for sharing. I have no plans to ever do this type of modding, but I admire those with the knowledge and tenacity who can do this. :)
Amazing video!!! I remember seeing when you did the same thing with the steam deck. I located in MD would love to have this service done with my legion go.
AMAZING !!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU INCREDIBLE GYS 💪
Wow this is amazing. Idk what to say other than great work and to keep it up. We all love it
Thankfully people like you exist. Great video and congratulations on a successful upgrade. I wonder if next Legion Go will have enough memory. If not then I now know a person who might potentially upgrade it. Hopefully it won't be too expensive haha.
my guy, this is impressive af. New sub to you for sure!
Great work. I hope Lenovo looks at the video on what the next generation RAM should have, along with the next generation APU and at least 1 gigabyte (better 2) PCI 4 SSD. Then they will stand out from the crowd of handhelds.🥰
You seem like a computer scientist and a computer engineer stacked in one person.
Amazing, the amount of different skill needed to do this is incredible, but seeing explained like this makes it seems really simple. I was most curious about the software part of the mod and this really given the information needed.
Oooh, those are LPDDR5X RAM packages, neat. Very tiny pads! Amazing they can squeeze 16GB into each of them, very cool.
U got some skills dude. Great work
Wow... why I have the same feeling I had when watched Terminator movie for the 1st time when being a kid? Great work!
I subscribed and liked purely from the vid title, I absolutely love this sort of stuff
Very informative and educational. Loved how I could understand your instructions and maybe one day I could attempt a upgrade like this. 😊
that is a brilliant man !!!!! every single technical theories during the play which this experties in this realim thank you for sharing this vidoe for rest of product taker who can only image about to upgrade which is dram come true.
why is this so impressive omg and you did it very clean !
Honestly impressive bro I remember seeing hxd when I was like 10 and didn't know much about bht to change some stuff for a game jaja but that's crazy making me want to make my legion go 32gb
Excellent video. Holy Sheet! This is well beyond my patience and expertise. I would definitely pay someone to do this mod.
My boy another awesome work ❤️❤️❤️ definition of masterpiece
Seriously impressive work ⚡⚡⚡
Good job, thanks for hint with bios modifications
I hope companies take note of these modifications for future devices!
omg these guy is literally genius and so so im speechless im totally listening to your videos for now you deserve my subscribe keep it up dude:)
I haven't words, it's amazing work and skills.
i didn't even understand anything on the video but was entertaining enough for me that i watched all the way to the end
You Sir are a genius
This was pretty cool to see. I would love to have the same thing done to my Legion, but I don't even know where to go to have it done for me.
I love these kinds of esoteric videos, im with my people ❤
thank you for this tutorial it has helped me well step by step i now have 32GB RAM this was so easy to do!
any issues after upgrading?
You're very talented at what you do.
Wow I didnt know this was possible. This is actually mind blowing
I'm surprised to see Lenovo did not use their black epoxy underneath the apu and ram - this was very widely used in their laptops, making repairs much harder than they need to be.
edit: I have a question on bios updates that wll for sure appear for this device and might be actually beneficial for it - like changing power limits, fixing security vulnerabilities and other fixes. As i was working with Lenovo bioses (specifically for thinkpads), the bios has to be digitally signed (not only digitally signed but signed porperly) for the device to properly update and not cause a bootloop or checksum mismatch - would an bios update work in this case? also, if it did work, it would probably overwrite the spd data with new values, again limiting the usable ram.
Just CNC mill the original ram chips to oblivion, epoxy underfill issue fixed: It is the way alot of shops do in iPhone storage upgrades.
This is wild in the best way
Just literally stumbled upon this channel today! Nice work, now I’m wondering why Lenovo didn’t install 32gb themselves to give a superior device 🤔
Price lol. Lpddr5x ram is expensive
little portable gaming handhelds do not need 32gb of ram
most video games do not use more than 10gb of ram
Nice, can you find faster RAM chips than stock and can the SPD data be modified to account for the faster speed? Looks like LPDDR5X goes as high as 8533 MT/s but stock it's just 7500 MT/s. Also curious if you can do a similar video for the ROG Ally. Thanks!
32 GB of ram on the Legion Go will make games perform even better than they do on the Ally X. Nice!
Already do 😊❤
So true. Since the ally x is now just above the go in most games by 1 to 3 fps , 32gb ram in the go should easily push it even further ahead of the Ally til the go 2 and z2 extreme ally come out
Not really. The 24Gb on the Ally X don't make that much of a difference
@LuisPerez-5 it actually does lol. Please don't make dumb comments when there's tons of credible proof that says otherwise.
@joshua7426 It really doesn't. Not in a substantial way anyways. Double the RAM for 6 more frames is stupid, there's"tons of proof" of what I mean. Do you know what "diminishing returns" means? You literally said the difference in the Ally X is 1 to 3 FPS you think that's worth whatever it costs to do this and risk damaging the board? You just don't get it and think the bigger the number the better it is. Then say I make dumb comments.
impressive work
holy shit this dude make it look so easy. even soldering tht damn chips already feels like a pain in the ass to me and even the bios modification is totally beyond my understanding lol
Great video, I'll just wait for the LeGO v2 with hopefully 32GB out of the box and Occulink.
I would not even attempt to do this but good to know it can be done!
I've seen many boards removal and soldering but this is the cleanest job I've ever seen 👍👍 salute!
omg you are a God!! So much skill you've got awesome abilities!!!
Great video, one question, if you update the BIOS will you need to modify the SPD data again?
For sure!
this kind o job will be really wanted in future
Great video! Two quick questions.
1. Can this be done with 64?
2. Will you run into any issues with future official bios updates?
Pure Genius
Note: I contacted both guys about this upgrade for my Legion Go. One flat out told me the upgrade had been unreliable for people due to poor quality chips, so was no longer doing it.
Maybe oneday we will get better chips, not China sourced?
absolutely awesome man
nice job Colin 👌
Are the new RAM chips the same quality as the originals? Were the original chips HyNix? Great upgrade video! 🤓
In the same situation rn . Using a Asus Vivobook Pro 15 OLED (2022). Wuould be awesome if you also take a look at it. Great video.
My question is, does the BIOS also have provisions to allow for more VRAM to be allocated to the GPU as well? Further modification could allow for probably a max of 8GB to be usable by the GPU leaving 24 for the rest of the machine to utilize, which in practice for some games is more than enough, especially considering some games need a minimum of 8GB to start no matter what quality level you're going to drop it to after to get it playable.
I believe what genius accomplished here is to be able to run 8 gigs safely on handheld mode, and then remove the bottleneck the CPU ram poses when on eGPU
Living Legend
Really nice video când you do some testing in some games
Nice, I want do it but want to wait for the USB flash version for the BIOS since I don't have a reader. Nice to see you can still use the Go with the new chips with modifying the BIOS.
excellent video!!! It helped me a lot, just one question, where can I buy the support that you use to maintain the logic board while preheating it?
dudee you are the best❤
clean work man
fantastic work
very nice. Has the 32Gb RAM had much effect on performance, and especially HEAT in the system?
So if you don't edit the firmware after the upgrade, the system still boots, but doesn't use the rest of the RAM. Does this mean that if you didn't perform the upgrade but still did the firmware edit, or otherwise told the system that it has more memory than it really does, it would try to write to nonexistent memory? Is there even some defined behavior that's expected to happen in this case, or can we just expect it to totally freak out?
Also, I thought modern chips wouldn't load firmware unless it's signed by a key burned into the chip. But obviously this mod makes the firmware no longer signed. Have I been misinformed?
Isn't it unnecessarily risky to desolder the firmware chip and solder it back to the board? I thought you could just write to it from within the OS? That's what firmware update utilities normally do, right? And if not, aren't there clips to attach to them?
I think it should break TPM measurements, but that doesn't stop boot - some features, e.g. Bitlocker, might be broken though.
There is also usually signature verification for updating BIOS from device, which is probably why update from the OS wasn't done (in addition to having to read the BIOS first anyway) and it was desoldered and written to more directly instead. As for clips, I'm not sure if there are any easily available for this specific package, but it might've just been that the author didn't have one.
that s fucking mental.. benchmark before and after would be amazing
You're awesome. Please test it with some demanding game.
I love when my dumps are completed successfully
Impressive work!!!!
You're meant to conquer the world.
Amazing
great work
Очень тонкая и точная работа с вашей стороны 👍
Very nice job. I would like to know how much you charge for this and where are you located? Thanks! I would be happy to try doing it myself because you made it look easy but I don't have the proper tools like the hot air rework station and eeprom flasher.
This is some next level sht.. what a legend..
Awesome, you have a video comparing the pre and post performance on gaming and other tasks?
Beautiful work enjoyed the video, How much would you charge for this?
Props to you for using Windows 7 still.
i noticed an improvement in your video's quality, did you get a new camera?
Yes, indeed I did.
salute to your experience
If you type "cmd" into the address bar of any folder, it'll launch command line with the pwd at that location. Saves you a couple extra steps.
It’d be cool to see this done on the ROG Ally.
I've actually done it successfully on the ROG Ally as well, it uses the same chips as the Steam Deck.