The Jayson Tatum & Anthony Edwards Debate Has Gone Too Far
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Tatum is the standard that all other players a judged against because most of the league hates the Celtics.
It’s worse than that - people lie to themselves about what he’s accomplished to put guys like Ant above him. I’ve seen people make up fake stat lines for Tatum, lie about the Celtics’ record in the postseason, all kinds of shit. They can’t acknowledge that he’s objectively great.
Tatum literally suffers from success no matter what he does it's always oh his team is too good this or that. Never seen a player get criticized for winning like Tatum does
You are correct. People bithc and moan about playing "team" ball, but only judge a player on "championships", which are largely a product of one's supporting cast and quality of surrounding teams.
History repeats: Tatum is again on a severely undersized team, but the Wolves are HUGE, which will again result in a non-championship season for the Celts.
@@qt3dot14ish”severely undersized”
Jrue Holiday (6’4)
Derrick White (6’5)
Jaylen Brown (6’7)
Tatum (6’9)
Porzingis (7’3)
Horford (6’9)
😂😂😂😂😂😂 I think we’ll be alright 😂😂😂😂
It's interesting how Tatum suffers from success and is criticized for having a good team around him. It's also interesting how Tatum is one of the many reasons for his success. Damned if you do, damned if you don't....
@@qt3dot14ishCeltics are one of the biggest teams in the league? What r u talking about
It’s him and Luka man, too good at too young. Mfs don’t even acknowledge Luka as potentially the best player in the league which is insane
We needed this, nba Twitter has been getting on my nerves
Yeah cus Twitter was right for once lmao
@@dryiyce5347 victory laps over recency bias isn’t the flex you think it is
@@dryiyce5347 If Ant made the Finals and struggled after the run hes had, he would be labeled a choker and it would be eerily similar to the great run JT had in 2022. You dont watch basketball, and thats okay, because I understand narratives are fun
@@dryiyce5347nice bait, get a grip and explain how ant is better than Tatum outside of “aura” and “killer mentality”
People just hate/are tired of Boston + the national media exists in LA&NY which are Boston’s historic rivals. It’s jealousy/hatred. End of story.
Exactly
The Celtics have 2 AntMen, Tatum finally has realized how good his team is, and lately his ego has not gotten the best of him where he just is looking for his shot, if he continues to play like this, no one will beat the Celtics...because they have 5 guys that can give you 20 points in any game....in the past, they have lost because Tatum has shot them out of the game, but if he continue to play like this and trust his teammates, Cetlics will win the championship this year.
TaBum also shot them out of the finals too .
@@TheDON914 Yes, so less Tatum and more team play, the better for the Celtics.
I wouldn't say it was Tatum imo the celtics were never gonna be champions with Marcus smart as the lead PG he turns the ball over at critical times and he's not an efficient enough shooter that the defense has to respect which made it easier to double and help on Tatum in that finals run
I agree to disagree. Wolves are playing ridiculous right now. The stats dont lie.
They would still lose to the timberwolves
THANK YOU, the JT slander is out of control, partly because he plays in Boston, which everyone hates, just look at Paul and how he is viewed nationally
one chip in like 40 years whats to like
@@Ro1Upbout to be 2 u still won’t like us tho prolly some inadequacy shit
@@BrendanHenry-vm4ilhe don’t got one tf you mean two? 😭
JT has been so good for so long that casuals take it for granted.
😂😂😂
He’s the BEST AMERICAN in the league and his teammate just as good as him!!!
Sensationalism vs. Statistics
"Statistics" are just numbers without accurate context.
Ant is the casuals darling. JT is the thinking man's player. 5 things people underrate on JT in this ant vs. jt debate:
1. Are we just going to gloss over those rebounds and that JT is averaging a double-double?
2. Ant is a solid defender but hes not in JTs stratosphere. Advanced stats back it up too.
3. Mazzula just talked about JT averaging 1.6 points per screen assists which is historic/highest in the league. JT is setting up teammates in more ways than one for efficient offense.
The devils in the details for JT. if you dont like advanced stats, JT would look inferior to you.
Well if u actually watch the games instead of just purely stat watching, are we going to ignore that JT is shooting 40% from the field these playoffs with all that offensive talent on his team? Tatum settles for too many pull up 3s that he is not effecient at and is not elite at one single thing in basketball compared to other superstars ANT just been flat out more effecient in the post season even last year. The problem is Tatum playstyle is too volatile bc he relies on his pull up 3s often and that’s why u see so many stinkers in his playoff career he doesn’t have the quick first step to get to his spots easily like ANT can.
@@KxngAntTae hes had a shooting slump. Happens to everyone. Its better to look at the bigger sample size of data (like the content creator did) instead of what you're doing now (picking his worst) to try and drive your narrative.
Sure pull up the efficiency numbers for jt and ant last year.
Derrick white imo is the best player on boston. I dont think JT is MVP nor will he ever be if he wants to win chips. He understands that now this season. Time to defer, time to give way in certain aspects (since casuals only value scoring).
Luka is better than JT offensively. JT is better defensively.
JT indeed settles for too many 3s. Not thinking hes not elite at one thing is stupid though. Look up ACs comments/vid on JT defense. JT is elite and underrated defensively. But yes hes more of a do-it-all guy in the mold of grant hill, pippen, prime draymond or kawhi. Hes not an alpha scorer.
And yup ant is quicker and more athletic than JT. JTs accolades and performances though speak for itself.
@@KxngAntTae so pulling up last year. Lets see... all stats via basketball reference;
ANT: 48-34-84 splits on 54% EFG at 56% TS with 1.0 OBPM
JT: 46-33-88 splits on 53% EFG at 59% TS with 4.0 OBPM
so nope. ant wasnt more efficient than JT last year unless you"re referring to specific play types. Overall, JT had him beat. Not by much sure, but i never claimed that he blew him out.
What you're doing is a classic example of prisoner of the moment or recency bias. What should we do, compare career numbers next?
Advance stats tell me that Larry bird sucks💀
Advance stats tell tag Kobe wasn’t even top 5 in 2006
Advance stats are lowkey some bs
Ant’s Pressure defense is so much more valuable than Tatum’s defense
And who is Tatum guarding?💀
Ant is guarding Jamal most of the time and has been cooking him😭
@@Unanimouseditz its hard to compare eras. Advance stats give you better idea comparing within the same eras. I also dont know how you're interpreting kobe and bird sucking.
Kobe isnt an advanced stats darling lets say compared to steph because Kobe was a shot chucker, volume shooter. Advanced stats in a nutshel is about doing more with less. Kobe was all about doing more and more.
You are clearly biased. Look up the defensive stats. Look up ACs vid on JTs defense. Look up JT locking down SGA in a loss. The content creator just pointed out as well traditional defensive stats like tatums boards and blocks.
And i'd take what advanced stats say over what you say. You do know nba front offices use advanced stats in how they assess players right?
Tatum the best American by far
Special ed comment right here folks ☝
He’s right man
Stop the Cap 🧢
@@TheDON914bro did u not just watch the video Oml
What about Kd?
Media hates everything Boston they're all jumping on these bandwagons like there's no tomorrow lol Celtics only team that their number 1 can have a bad shooting night but still be productive on both ends and his team wins by 20+, I see them also giving SGA all these props but when Tatum had the same statistics in 2022 no one was boosting him to be MVP like Shaq did last night that was horrible...you got Jokic accepting his MVP and Shaq telling him he felt SGA should've got it smh Kanye vibes.
Thank you, the numbers should speak for themselves. Unfortunately, Tatum may not be as flashy as Ant but his effectiveness is clear if you watch him day in day out.
Exactly. I’ve been so frustrated with ppl hating on him… it’s like they don’t watch.
This is a goated video. NBA twitter and media been going too far
Love this people are such prisoners of the moment nowadays
It's not "nowadays". You think you have seen everything? You think the way it is now, is the way it's always been?
People have ALWAYS, SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME, been "prisoners of the moment".
It's called "stupidity".
If you need a recent global example: covid.
It was the year 2020, AND PEOPLE TRULY BELIEVED THAT IF YOU PUT A SOCK ON YOUR HEAD, THE FLU WOULD GO AWAY.
The human race existed prior to "nowadays".
Same thing happened to a player like Paul George when Tatum burst onto the scene. Same thing is more than likey gonna happen to Ant one day. The media needs something new to raise they're voice about every few years.
Literally Bru there gonna turn on ant in 4 years when he doesn’t have a championship
@@DuragVonyup. They're going to call him a choker 2-3Y before his prime just like they're doing now to tatum who's still 2Y away from his prime. They're going to place absurd expectations on him and if he doesnt meet it... somethings wrong in minnesota. Ant is a choker.
@@TheRobversion1 your prime is 26/27-32/33
@@DuragVonhe’s winning his first one this year🤫
@@carlos.4700 nope. Most basketball pundits will tell you basketball prime is 27-28. these are the same ages guys like mj, jokic, giannis, etc won their chip. Then of course yes the prime ends early 30s.
Edwards is good but one guy cannot win a game! I'm for Celtics win or lose.
They literally run the offense through him
What I found kinda funny about this right. Ant did something incredible. Down 3-2 against the guy we see as best player in the world in Jokic and the Defending champs, Ant made massive plays to bring them back for the comeback and we talk about the elevation of Ant
2022....Bucks defending champs, Giannis was considered to be the best player in the world, Celtics down 3-2. Tatum puts up 60 on the road game 6 as they comeback to knock out the Bucks in the second round. Tatum has literally done this before and we act like he hasn't accomplished anything
Ant I think might end up being better than Tatum someday but he's on a much earlier step of his Journey and is being asked to overcome many of the same trials.
Just yesterday this dude laughed when I said Tatum defense is elite. I told him check the stats and of course he didn’t. 😂😂 it hurts them to see Tatum balling! His defense is elite! I watch every game 2 to 3 times! He strips people a lot and he will block you at the rim. Tatum is top 5!!
Tatum is playing more winning basketball but Antman’s game and personality is more attractive and hyped rn (shiny new toy). Ant has the potential to be better than tatum, but right now he’s a better product to sell, and thats ok too.
Just an unpopular opinion, Tatum stats get better each year cos of Brad Stevens. Brad keeps putting pieces around Tatum to maximize him until this year, he found the roster formula to unlock Tatum. Rudy, Naz, KAT, McD don't unlock Ant the same way and the nuggets will expose the wolves on that. Putting perimeter defensive assignments on your first option is asking for injuries.
You have to remember, the basketball audience is very young, online the average seems to be high school aged. When was the last time there thoughts really held any weight??
Thank god someone is saying all of this. I’ve been going insane, honestly
If you are you going off this post season alone Tatum is far worse than ant
I follow u on private on twitter. glad to see this drop, I’ll like and sub. but being fr u gotta stop crying about JT slander. The way casual basketball fans are, Tatum will never get the respect he deserves until he wins a ring. You take the fact he’s used as *the benchmark* when comparing players as a point of pride because it means they really know Tatum is that guy deep down, they just don’t wanna have to say it. Everything else is just Celtics hate. But u can’t get mad cuz it makes us look soft.
Tatum gone show everyone anyways
Impressed to see that you made this video 2 weeks ago when everything was going well for him. Now they're down 2-0 and he's laid a few eggs n come back to earth. Respect the take
u so real
The biggest factor for me in these debates are the simple facts that despite Tatum being dragged through the mud, when there is another up and coming superstar, Tatum seems to be the golden standard to which all of them are judged. SGA, Brunson, and Ant, all of 'em during their time in the sun, had this bar that they were set to "pass" in order to be a true superstar, a player whose level they were all put to the test against. That player who endured all those comaprisons all year, was Tatum.
Jaylen brown better then Ant! Tatum running circles around him!!
Haha ain’t no way bro.
nice joke. U got me laughing
🤣🤣🤣
No
@@DeezerWeezer20 ain’t no jokes watch basketball
Tatum is the most over hated player in the NBA. 38-12-5 and they act like he played like trash. He missed some shots but cmon now.
OMG tatum had a big game who was guarding him ? Strus!??! Strus . That’s how serious everyone takes him . Everyone else on the team was guarded but Tatum. Case closed . He’s overrated . White , Brown, Holiday, all play defense. Not Tatum . Go watch that game again . Watch him get blown by every play . Tatum is about as exciting to watch as lebum
Thanks for the view!
What a delusional comment, who were they supposed to put on him? The Cavs suck on defense and were depleted with injuries, and had no reason to even try at that point. And to say that teams don’t take a player seriously who is a perennial all star and holds the record for points in the all star game, is a special kind of insanity
tatum is so good he gets SHAT on for dropping 36 in a game (in a win). credits to ant but recency bias is insane
tatum is better in literally every category, and in a better team too, he also does it on a bit lower usage rate
Shoutout to Hoops Empire. Great breakdown! I subbed just for this!
Recency bias is definitely real
I think that ant will end up better but rn no chance
there is no question Tatum is better than ant. He gets criticized for winning, I live in Boston and have always been a Cs fan but, Tatum is better no bias. Media just likes ant more I guess.
The only place Ant has surpassed Tatum is in ‘vibes’, because people literally can’t articulate what he does better but they can’t admit they just like Ant more
You cooked in this entire video bruh 🔥🔥🔥 good shit
I’m starting a new movement. We are #Donewithboxscorewatchers
It’s not about the box scores though.
Edwards very clearly makes a conscious decision to ramp up his aggressiveness in the postseason. He has another gear.
Certainly the shooting helps. He’s shooting well and Tatum is not but it’s more about Edwards ability to get downhill in a way Tatum physically cannot because he’s not a 99th percentile athlete.
When Edwards brings his full physical gifts to bear he actually is unguardable. Much like Wade and MJ, you cannot stay in front of him.
As good as Tatum is, he’s just not that. Put him on this Minnesota team and Gordon could pretty easily force him into jumper after jumper.
In fact I’d argue Tatum’s argument is purely a (regular season) box score argument
Im sure if tatum played on a different team he wouldnt get this typa hate
it's because tatum is one of the most boring players to watch whereas ant is one of the most exciting players to watch
Speak for yourself I love tatum game
absolutely recency bias
Jayson Tatum
Five 50 point games
Twenty five +40 games
134 +30 point games
Game winning shots? JT shoots 47% (people say he isn't clutch...)
People say JT only shoots threes. He's taken 1,462 shots at the rim 48% shooting
He's taken 609 threes at 38%
Where's Anthony Edwards? He's chasing Tatum that where hes at 😂
ANT MAN
Edwards One 50 point game
Ten 40+ games
66, 30+ games
Clutch shooting hes 45% effective
Shots at the rim 1,558 at 46% shooting
532 threes at 35% 😂
As a recovering Warriors fan (they did Poole dirty), I had a hard time appreciating Tatum. Wiggins owned the crap out of him on defense. He just looked slow and hesitant. He's not that athletic. I don't see him getting many rings before retirement. He'll be lucky to get one. Anthony is still too new.
Tatum is boring. Edwards is not
CANTman and donSHIT didn’t bring home any chip this year 😭🏆🤣 what happened to the mosh pit dog fighting trench warfare west?!!?!!!!!?!!
Tatum haters won’t like this video lol. 😂😂😂 yea but… he’s on a stacked team! I swear man the hate this man gets is just ridiculous and unwarranted!
Tatum is a better mid range shooter, a better 3-point shooter, a better post player, a better defender, a better passer. More skilled. Ja Morant is still better than Anthony Edwards. These people just glazing
“Ja is still better than Anthony Edwards” 😭😭😭😭
Watch it all unfold . Tatum is in a weaker conference. He should be dominating this conference. He lacks defense . Tatum is not that good . I hear people say it’s because of Udoka and that’s why the young Rockets look so good . But the point is Tatum isn’t that good . He needs a coach ? To be a better player? He’s overrated . He chokes . He also did what Lebron did by saying he is a 🐐 already . He’s clearly not . Tatum is overrated . Period . He gets smoked every year . Plays zero defense . ZERO . The Celtics won’t ever EVER WIN . Watch and learn
Jayson Tatum hasn’t led his team to shit he choker Jaylen brown is better in the playoffs. 9 of 42???
Question - If you the best Defensive team that means you ain't played the best D.
Lets see what ANT does against the #1 perimeter Defensive team.
Every guy can defend at the line no matter where he is on the floor 😂
Bro Tatum is the GOAT.
cool story but a true great will shine an never ever take a role postion edwards is giving us what we want. PLUS ITS MJ SON!!!!!
Have Boston won the championship with Tatum?
Yes they did😂
i like both tatum and edwards idk why everyoner hates tatum
Ant is much shorter and Edward’s cares about winning . Playing every game . Takes it serious. Doesn’t make excuses like Tatum . Get rid of Tatum . Let him come to west side where he will be exposed . He’s a choker
Tatum got the notoriety by far! AE got work to do!
The Celtics are the 2024 NBA champions 🏆
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Literal this whole video. We're just watching a superstar and the new face of the NBA be born, and the old faces of the NBA knew and made way; however how do those same old superstars say or treat tatum? Nada. Silence. Let the star be born.
Technically 1 game
Great Breakdown
Tatum was drafted by a superior team with better talent.....Edwards was drafted by one of the worst franchise in Minnesota of course he tatum won more
THANK YOU!
"nobody was saying ant was better than tatum 2 weeks ago"
You must be in an eastern conference bubble or something, because tons of people had Ant above Tatum for so many reasons.
Tatum was drafted to the 1 seed in the East and still hasn't won the championship. He's afraid of the 4th quarter. HE PLAYS IN THE EAST. Boring to watch.
Celtics on top 💪💪
real
You cooked
All these bandwagons 😂
the only thing Tatum lacks is the defense..
It's not even a comparison. Ant would wipe the floor with Tatum's face. Ant has MJ mentality, while Tatum has the mentality of a 'soft' player.
Ur judging two players’ entire careers by “mentality” 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Tatum is quiet he let his game do the talking
Ant is a punk but he backs it up with his game with old school BBall trash talk
League is in good hands 🙌🏼
I'm a Celtics fan, stop whining, making us look soft
Stat/logic based breakdown = whining…got it
A.E is that guy. Wait 3 years. He is the next MJ. If he was on the bulls would be epic
Why do I have to wait three years? Is Edwards retiring to go play baseball for the next three years?
He's already better than Jordan. He already has more playoff victories that Jordan had in year six of his career, and Edwards is getting all his statistics without the benefit of a "you can't touch Edwards" rule, of which Jordan had that benefit.
Jordan was GREAT, but at the same time, HE WAS WAY OVERRATED.
First, if you're going to compare player A with player B, IT'S ALL FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES.
So all you "fans", get your panties out of the wad and relax. THERE IS NO DEFINITIVE CONCLUSION TO ANY OF THIS. So if your getting enraged by participating in the conversation, check yourself because you're out of control dealing with a truly meaningless subject.
But if you want to participate, then STOP WITH THE REFERRING TO OUT-OF-CONTEXT STATISTICS. THEY ARE MEANINGLESS.
And also stop with the "everyone hates the Celtics" (insert your favorite victim team here).
IT'S AMERICA AND EVERYONE HATES EVERYTHING. There are people who had god, people who hate babies, people who hate colors, people who hate peace. Someone not agreeing with your sports opinions IS NOT A BIG DEAL.
Analysis:
So, Tatum has been in a lot of playoff games, 100% OF THE TIME ON A SEVERELY UNDERSIZED, UNATHLETIC, AGED-OUT (or on rookie contracts), INJURED, OVERPAID, teams, and still has won most of the games and most of the series, even with his pathetically surrounding roster. (All hail the "Stevens'" effect!)
Edwards, on the other hand, is too young to have compiled a verifiable playoff status (although extrapolation seems fairly easy).
So, the differences RIGHT NOW between Tatum and Edwards:
1. Edwards is a true guard, so he can maneuver all over the court, while Tatum is a true S3 so he has some ballhandling limitations which limit his individual capabilities, especially in EOG situations.
2. Tatum is long, tough, and wirery, BUT HE HAS NO UPPER OR LOWER BODY POWER, while Edwards has explosive power. This again, limits Tatum in EOG situations. This doesn't "disable" Tatum, but he can't literally force his will in a crowded lane, so he does need to look to pass more than Edwards needs to look to pass at the EOG's. Edwards literally can impose his will in a crowed lane, which eliminates the increased margin of error in EOG situations, vs Tatum, who, in a jammed lane, may need to make that extra pass with the clock running down.
3. Tatum has played on (as noted above) SEVERLY talent-deficient and SEVERLY size-deficient teams, which have limited scoring options at the EOG's, which allows teams to triple team Tatum AND clog the lane at the same time, whereas Edwards plays on a HUGE team with one of the best (if not the best) shooting BIG MAN in NBA history, which leaves Edwards, who actually doesn't need to pass to impose his will, the option to pass anyway, to an all-time great shooting big man who can just shoot over the top of a collapsing defense, AND this situation also allows the other Wolves supporting cast to crash the boards, unlike Boston, who has a smurf-sized team which cannot rebound in a crowed lane in EOG situations.
So who is "better"? It's not a proper question. But for now, Tatum is accruing wins on roster-defective teams, and again this season, he is on another size-deficient team, while Edwards is getting his first shot at championship glory, but his supporting cast, from a CHAMPIONSHIP PERSPECTIVE, is far, far, far, superior to any team with which JT has been associated.
Short recap: Tatum is great, but Edwards, "better" or not at this stage of his career, but because of his power, his actual guard skills and talents, and because of his vastly superior supporting cast, has a much better chance to take home the gold this season.
Only 1 flaw that Tatum has is He is too nice guy
Completely agree.. I need him to play angry. With his skillset and a Antmans killer mentally Celtics will win the chip. It's the missing factor all these years
Nope. Tim Duncan got 5 rings without all the noise. I’ll take that any day thank you!
@@emilem12 Tim is actually a killer on the court. He just never talks 😂
@@MistaDvN Tim was never a angry player like you said in your comment. He quietly got his stats just like Tatum.
@@emilem12 I was purely talking about the way he plays.
If he sweeps Joker?
And?
Outside of that 1 ring when has Jokie been out the 2nd round just like this year 2nd round. Y’all put to much into that championship vs Miami who beat player jimmy who can’t even shoot
And how about the sweep JT pulled on KD and KY? Should we bring up more of his performances?
Fact is JT has had more experience, is proven and hasnt hit his prime yet. Ant is just on a heater right now. Watch the media and casuals turn on him when he hasnt won a chip by next year (same age when JT failed against the warriors).
@@TheRobversion1 I know experience will be key in the nba finals but Tatum is not doing much right now due to double and triple teams
What kind of dumm comment is that? Edwards isn't sweeping anyone. Edwards, AND HIS MASSIVE, SKILLED, AND ATHLETIC FRONT LINE, is what is going to sweep THE NUGGET'S TEAM.
He’s overrated !!! sorry Boston you got to trade him for someone who plays defense like White does . He’s not that good
No AntMan has a Grown Man’s game. Tatum plays illusive passive Finnesse ball like he’s 6”1 except he’s 6”8 200+ lbs…! The true difference between the two players is Mentality and Approach…! AntMan welcomes the smoke Tatum avoids it (Smoke 🟰 Contact)…! When your shot isn’t falling you need to be able to overpower, outsmart, outmaneuver, and outplay your opponent. How are you gonna do that if your passive aggressive and usually settling for what the Defenders want you to do as opposed to doing what you want & what you’re comfortable with doing…!
Mentality is such an overrated statement lol
@@GavinQuinainPRT Disagree completely
Finally tatum got the clue, he is not the next mj, he is not the next kobe but he can become the next scotty pipen......
JTs defense is so underrated. Scottie is a nice comp. I prefer grant hill or Kawhi.
He’s Grant Hill 2.0
I’ll come back to this video when ant bodies the Celtics in the finals
Bro amazingly great on the money spot on videos I've ever seen 💯💯💯🫡🫡🫡
Some really obvious points that the casual fans completely ignore:
1. Tatum is averaging 37.5 MPG in the playoffs so far. This is only the second time he's averaged under 40 MPG in the past 5 playoff runs.
2. Tatum has a usage rate o 26.5% so far in the playoffs. Once again, this is the first time Tatum has had a playoff usage rate below 28% in the past 5 playoff runs.
Anthony Edwards is averaging 39.5 MPG with a usage rate of 31.4%.
The only time Tatum ever had a usage rate over 30% in the playoffs was in 2020/21 when Jaylen Brown was injured and didn't play in the playoffs - Tatum averged 30.6 points, 5.8 reb and 4.6 assists in that 5 game playoff run (which included a 40 point game in game 4 and a 50 point game in game 3).
The reality here is simple - Ant is putting up big numbers partly because he is a hell of a player...but also partly because he's playing huge minutes and almost 1/3 of the Timberwolves offense is being run through him.
Tatum is putting up lower numbers partly because he is struggling a little with his shot, but also partly because the team is relying on him less then they have in past years - with his minutes and usage rate both being the lowest they have been for years. The coach is running less plays for him and is playing him less minutes, and is sharing the load around the team...this is probably an intentional strategy to avoid pushing Tatum too hard so that he's good to go when they really need him.
I’d actually argue they’re relying on him more, just in a very different way. Instead of relying on him scoring a lot (they still do but to a lesser extent), they’re using his insane gravity to open up the entire offense. So far teams feel forced to commit at least 2 guys to him almost every time he gets the ball which opens up the rest of the team for forcing defensive rotations and generating open shots. Tatum takes a good offense and absolutely breaks because of his ability as a scorer and how much teams have to gameplan against it.
@@randomcoffeetable777Derrick white wouldn’t look like this without playing with Jaylen and Jayson. Much the same as porzingis looked practically unstoppable because you can’t guard everyone. Whoever the 3rd option is for the c’s eats… because the roster is so well constructed and they’re coached to do what makes them successful. I would also jack up loads of 3’s if I surrounded two of the top 7-15 players in the league with shooters. You just can’t guard everyone
This whole argument is debunked simply by the fact that Tatum is shooting 40% from the field💀
Usage rate in the nba is overused at this point to determine a player’s value
Also averaging 5% more usage per game and putting up WAY BETTER numbers still makes you way better than that player stop making dumb excuses
The last time tatum did good with hi to usage was 2021
3 years ago
Back when he could somewhat consistently make step back 3s
In one series that went to 5 games
When the team asks Tatum to do more
He has normally done less💀
Look at the mfs 4th quarters😭
Let’s go good job the last time you were great with 30% usage was 2021
Still putting up worse numbers than at least 6 players in the league and that was just 5 games against a mid defensive team
Ant is doing this against the suns who are a very underrated defense
The nuggets who are solid at defense
So you tell me the moment ant gets a good squad around him he might already make the finals and be favored to win it
Over the guy who has the better roster and has been having a great roster for 2-3 years now
It’s not even close
Get Tatum out of the top 5
"Tatum is better because he averages less minutes"
@@Unanimouseditz
In the last three celtics have had to rely very heavily on Tatum for offence because they didn't have many scorers. Tatum and Brown both had to play well for then to have a strong chance at winning against a good team.
Now all 5 starters are scorers, so they don't need to rely on Tatum to take a million shots and score 30 every second night.
Yes, Tatum has struggled with his shot so far in the playoffs. I already acknowledged this. But the offensive responsibility had also been less focused around Tatum and has been spread more around the team.
This is a big part of why Tatum's scoring numbers are down, not only on the playoffs but also on the regular season.
Tatum is only averaging 16 FGA during the playoffs so far. That's 5 less FGA per game then Ant is taking. An extra 5 FGA at 40% shooting would put Tatum at around 25 PPG which is in line (give or take) with what he's averaged in past playoff runs.
On 16 FGA, at 2 points per make, the difference between 40% FG and 51% FG is 3.5 points - so even if Tatum was scoring just as efficiently as Ant he still wouldn't be putting up anything close to three and numbers because he's taking far fewer shot attempts.
My point here is that Tatum's much lost scoring vs Ant is not all due to his shooting struggles, a lot of it is due to how he's being utilised on a team with far more scorers who need their touches.
Teams are doing the same thing to Tatum the Pistons did to Kobe back in the 2004 NBA Finals: trapping Kobe and daring him to take tough shots. I'm glad JT is playing his cards right for the Celtics to win it all. Continue to play right, Tatum, and don't let the media force you to be something they want you to be.
I love that he’s clearly shut it all out - his goal is banner 18 rn, and absolutely nothing else. Something bigger than just himself. The maturity is amazing.
@@tluvsbeauty1 the Cavs made it a priority to just swarm him and they are just playing into his hands now when we go down the road, we don’t know when Jayson Tatum will go off because right now teams are just making a priority to double and triple team him all game
Tatum hasn’t had many “bad” playoff series… the one the media chooses to crucify him for is the warriors series, with 2-1 lead, Tatum was simply TIRED.
I do not think he’ll be tired if they make, you know who will be IF they make it, Anthony Edwards… and he’ll have to learn the same lesson Tatum did, playing against a better more coercive team
Yeah people love to omit that we had 2 back 2 back 7 games series to even make the finals and who we had to go through to do it but I truly believe this year it will all pay off ☘️☘️
@@ogconradmurray1510They also ignore that Tatum needed surgery that entire playoffs. Nerve issues in his arm
You would’ve thought The Nuggets are a better team after winning the chip. I guess not
You are 100% correct sir. But you failed to mention WHY Tatum was so exhausted.
And that reason is that his team is SEVERLY UNDERSIZED, JUST LIKE THIS SEASON. In past seasons, they were helpless to avoid the beat down that eventually exhausts Tatum.
In a deviation from past seasons in which Boston had to go thru Embiid/Harris, Lopez/Giannis, Bam/Butler, and this season's potential matchups of Randall/Mitchell, Allen/Mobley, Banchero/Wagner, because of a rash of injuries to those players, the Celtics are basically getting a free pass to the finals, in reference to playing multiple teams vastly bigger than they are.
BUT... (I am making the "prediction" that the Wolves will be in the finals) that fantasy ends with the Wolves.
These Wolves are a PERFECTLY CONSTRUCTED TEAM. Huge ACROSS THE BOARD, young, but not "kids", mature, but not aged-out, stacked with star-laden offensive fire power, and absolutely big and athletic at the defensive position.
Contrast that with Boston, who has an aged-out Horford, a low-level contracted, non-powerful S3 Kornet playing "back-up" center, and an otherwise smurf-sized team.
Game 3 of the Wolves/Denver series will be telling. I have been watching NBA ball since 1976, and I've never seen a team absolutely smother an in-their-prime, 100% healthy, reigning champion, the way the Wolves smothered the Nugs. I already believe that they already know that they are going to win the championship this season, WITHOUT A DOUBT.
For me, I'm waiting on Game 3. If the Wolves extinguish the Nugs in a similar fashion in Game 3, it's hard to imagine the undersized Thunder, or the SEVERLY undersized Celtics, being able to climb the mountain.
Playing against the Wolves, Tatum will again be exhausted, out of this season's title race.
True experience will play a key factor
I love ant. But he has quickly become the most overrated player in the league. It is a shame they are putting him in convos he doesn't belong in YET
Noboby can say the words "most overrated" without bringing up Wemby or Embiid surely!
People talk about Wemby as if hes the GOAT after a single impresive but also flawed rookie season, and people hype Embiid constantly despite the fact that hes never been out of the 2nd round - and he's been playing for a while now.
@@pete3198lol anything to redirect the conversation away from Tatum so your trash takes on him can remain unchallenged. You got two pairs of horizontal lips.
@@pete3198nah not wemby
I’ll admit it’s a little too much, but it just seems like everyone’s glazing him and he’s overrated bc no one’s ever noticed his true potential. But they realized he does this and it went from 0 to 100 real quick
he's overrated because hes likable and has a higher ceiling than most guys. Realistically how much room does Tatum have to grow? Maybe tad in small ball areas and miniscule efficiencies, but hes in his athletic prime RIGHT NOW. Ant on the other hand is barely getting used to nba level play, and could even realize athletic gain at 22. Ant is nowhere near his ceiling and its pretty obvious. Hes probably the most talented player I've witnessed at this age since LeBron. Hes probably more of a freak athlete, dude is long af and gets WAY off the floor. His shooting form is smooth, handles good as anyone, footwork is immaculate. His passing is good too, and if he were running true point he could average more assists.
Ant is a fan favorite. But also Tatum gets so much hate, which I don't understand because he's one of the humblest, most laod back stars in the league.
You only think he gets more "hate" than other players because you only watch videos relating to the Celtics.
EVERY SPOTLIGHT PLAYER CATCHES UNJUSTIFIED GRIEF BECAUSE, IN GENERAL, PEOPLE ARE EVIL.
It is much harder to average 30 on a stacked team. Wolves have 2 scorers while Boston has 4. Wolves have also faced shit defensive teams. Ant will not average more than Tatum if they face up in the Finals, even on more shots.
Right also experience will come into play in the NBA finals but the two scorers are Towns and Edwards?
Than ball hog
@@DeezerWeezer20 the wolves game plan is just run the offense through Ant correct?
@@tylerriley2587 i was playing around Tatum (For now) is better than ant as a wolves fan. Yes u are correct
@@DeezerWeezer20 but he still needs to get out of the west first
Official passing of the torch😅
Tatum > ANT
How is it Ant's fault that he got drafted by a lottery team when Tatum got drafted by a constant playoff contender? Are we seriously acting as if Ant wasnt dropping 30 a night against Denver last season aswell?
Don’t really care where ant got drafted if he had multiple all stars, all nba players, all defensive players and defensive player of the years all on the same roster by year 3.
Quite frankly Ant’s current team is better than any team Tatum has had (outside of this years Celtics of course).
@@howsittastes Tatum got drafted by a playoff contender that traded for the 2nd pick, they were never a lottery team. Tatum has been mid all postseason meanwhile Ant was carrying his team most if not the entire playoffs
Everyone who’s hopping on the ant train is probably in middle school
Tatum i way better than both doncic and Edwards lol
U have to understand
Philly fans hate Tatum because they drsfted fultz over him
Lakers fams hate tatum because they drsfted lonzo friggin ball over him lol, and just the fact hes a Celtic...
And new York fans hate tagum because he plays for boston
Thsts A LOT of fan bases that automatically hate you
Butt hurt Celtics fans 😂, can easily see that ants better just from watching that advanced stats not gon save him, it’s as clear as daylight ants better
Just watching…the last 6 games. Because it wasn’t possible to come to this conclusion before then unless you just watched an ant highlight reel.
Great video man. As a Celtics fan, I have my issues with Tatum and I think Ant might have more potential. But he is not better than Tatum currently. Ant hadn’t scored 50 in a game 7, or 46 in a do or die game 6. Tatum’s stats are low because of his great team and yet there still higher than Edwards
I don’t even hate Tatum I actually like him I like the Celtics because they play defense sometimes but not Tatum Tatum is the weakest link. I don’t care what y’all have to say. I don’t care what numbers you got. I don’t care at all he chokes and he’s not clutch he is not a clutch player. Show me when he’s been clutch. Please show me show me, he is not a clutch player don’t ever call yourself a goat
Nothing but Celtic fanboy tears in the comments. Eastern Conference is weak as fuck so congrats for dominating the JV league. You got Tatum smiling and giving a meek press conference after getting their asses handed to them.
Jayson Tatum is who Timberwolves fans think Anthony Edwards is.
This dude needs 1 million subscribers
hoopa empire really out here saving lives
Tatum is better than ant right now but I think ant will be better
These are interesting stats, but Ant man still better than