@@fortynights1513Him & Brown have had great Celtic careers and have etched their name into the franchise history with their playoff success even if they’ve not won it yet.
@@fortynights1513yup and that’s all it will be if he doesn’t win a ring. A solid career but can’t win, he’ll be in the Chris Paul, Russel Westbrook, KD, Damien lillard, etc…. Convo. Also just the fact that him and his team are insanely overhyped and overrated. You always know one thing for sure, Tatum and his team will choke in the playoffs
He seems like a nice guy and all, but the issue is that he’s grossly overrated. Hate will come a player’s way if he gets overly glazed, no matter if it’s his fault or not
The thing I look forward to with a new Synthetic Sports video are the "but"t pictures lmao And every time I get to see a new angle of Kyle Lowry's majestic behind
He can’t crack into the mvp conversation, because there’s just better candidates (SGA, Jokic, Giannis, Luka) Edit: Luka vs Tatum is going crazy in the comments
Depends on what you value. Outside of Giannis and Embiid he is the best two way player in the league, and he is the best player on a team that might win 65 games. Does that win him the MVP maybe not but he definitely deserves consideration and has a legit case
C’s fans and most people don’t have him winning or think he should be winning they just think he should be mentioned or in the convo, I think he has a argument to at best be 3rd
@@Recurses per 75 pos he's averaging 27/8/5/1/1 on 61ts while playing all-defensive level ball don't get me wrong I think Luka, Jokic, Embiid, and Giannis are having very year but Tatum have an argument
It's a very strange narrative since the only active "all-star" players that played in those playoffs where....Jason Tatum and Jaylen Brown. Both Kyrie and Hayward was mostly hurt and Kemba was already cooked when he got to Boston. The third option for most of those playoff games was Horford and Smart. Very much NOT allstars.
People are using this stacked team so that when the Celtics loose … they be like “Tatum can’t even win with a stacked team”.. it’s like his haters , prob Luka fans, already created a narrative in their head….
@@Jonteponte71 This. People seem to act like Hayward didn't get injured on his first game as a Celtic, and never looked the same. Kyrie was useless in the playoffs. And like you said, Kemba was cooked. Had no knees left.
Tatum needs to win a ring to get respect. He needs one this year more than anything because if they don't win it with a stacked team like this then when are they ever gonna win it? Just like the 49ers in the NFL.
I think if someone is as great as Tatum they hold another passion for the game and love for their idol. He was like 23 when he did it. You probably did a lot of weird shit when you were 23 also.
Tatum is not hated except by jealous ppl. Tatum has the #2 BEST selling NBA jersey. Tatum had the #2 highest fan votes in the final East All Stars voting. CLEARLY, lots of fans love him.
@@mozzibrip9379 The media likes click bait and causing a ruckus. Fans all over the world speak otherwise based on those jersey sales and the All Star fan votes!
@youreanoob6336 Celtics "history" has ppl buying legend's jerseys such as Larry Bird and Bill Walton. JT is popular in his own right as noted with him getting the 2nd highest fan votes for all star.
This. Andrew Wiggins clamped him and Jalen Brown had a better series by a substantial margin. Could even argue the Celtics had a more talented roster than the Warriors, which was arguably their weakest team out of their recent finals appearances (Curry plus one fringe all star in Wiggins who many believe didn’t deserve to be an All Star that season but was voted in by the fans as a starter).
But Lebron was worse in his first 2 finals and he didn’t get the hate like that. He was 23 during that warriors finals while others don’t get penalized for not even making the playoffs
@docgrowsfood the Celtics absolutely had a better overall team when you extend it to the bench but Golden State had the right players come up big for them and of course, the experience was invaluable.
People hate on Tatum for a few reasons: 1. He is super skilled 2. He puts better numbers than most of their favorite players. 3. Mostly because of the Jersey he’s wearing.
@@noooodIe LOL show me a proof? All they do is win in a large Margin but they lost to crucial close games and Tatum misses all the shots! Its a fact! Try to watch Kendrick Perkins report and check Tatum's dead last in Clutch shots, he misses to much shot, overrated!
Jayson Tatum and the Celtics are held to a much higher standard than the rest of the NBA. I mean who else has even been considered a choker at only 26 years old despite repeated success in the playoffs.
50 in game 7 , 46 in game 6 down 3-2 in milwaukee, beat the heat in game 7 winning eastern conference finals mvp. tatum has more big playoff games than anyone else in the league under 27 years of age @@FakeNews-y8i
i like tatum and i think the "boring" label is so dumb bc as a fan, i'd prefer my star to be scandal-free and a good person. BUT although i think he deserves mvp consideration, he's probably not even a top five player in the league (if joel was healthy, tatum wouldn't make all-nba first team this year now that it's positionless). the timberwolves are 1st in the west, but you don't see anthony edwards getting any mvp love, so while seeding matters, i think advanced stats matter even more.
Edit:This comment has nothing to do with the MVP discussion idk what it is but it seems like he has to work wayy to hard to get the respect everyone else gets easily He had to sweep KD beat Giannis and Jimmy all in 1 playoff run just to get called a superstar and be mentioned in the top 10, whereas a guy like SGA averages 30 in a regular season and without winning anything significant gets thrown into top 5 convos
I think it's the inconsistency and not realising his best assets. Edit: Forgot to mention the Dawg/Aura factor. Some stars just have that indescribable, unquantifiable IT.
SGA leads his team consistently, a lot of the time tatum has had the best roster in the east how much of any of the celtics success is just tatum and how much of okc’s turnaround has been just shai improving
@@davidc.lalnelawma4776the inconsistency is my biggest problem. He disappears for some games in the playoffs and his team carries him, then he gets a ton of credit when he finally shows up.
Its all about jealousy. Being in the playoffs since day 1, multiple ECF and a final. Had already broken records. JT a better player compared to their fav player at his age. Like cmon how do you hate a guy with a good personality, good teammate, doesn't take the media for dramas.
Because people don’t know what a good player is anymore. It’s always about counting stats. There aren’t many players who if you watch everyday your appreciation goes way up. Tatum is one. To me you watch him every day and how he carries himself he’s an absolute throwback.
I think also it’s just people like to follow a narrative and not make their own opinions and if you don’t follow they crowd and make your own opinion to them you’re a “casual”
@@michaeln3044 You brought your feelings to this, how he makes you feel. He just doesnt dominates the way Jokic, Giannis, Embiid and Luka does. Hes more like a Shai. Awesome but no all time awesome (and yes Embiid not doing it in the playoffs hurts his legacy I know)
Spurs fan here and don't hate Tatum. He's a good player and doesn't cause any problems on/off the court. He's a good young man, well spoken, smart, etc. Good role model type. Not sure if a lot of folks hates him. But if they do, its probably due to his team being overrated at times (many ppl outside of New England don't like the Celtics) , team underachieving in the playoffs, his confidence, and his good looks. lol
@@Fonz0 He's not lying though. A big chunk of Celtics fans are ready to attack him, Brown or Smart of they play bad. Let's just say that not 100% of the fans really like him.
as a Tatum hater, I'll tell you.. he's NOT the best player on the Celtics, yet the media pushes for him to be the MVP and "face of the league" all because his team is OP... and bro had the audacity to say he's the best player in the league in an interview, like bro, ur not even the best player on ur team on a given night
Bruh.. so the guy who leads his team in pts, trbs, and second in assists while leading them in nearly all advanced stats is not their best player? Don't get me wrong, he has a LOT of help. But he is certainly their best player. Also, a guy who has made two straight all nba first teams said he's the best player in the league? You seriously think that guys such as Tatum (who let me be clear, I don't believe is the best in the league) and shai and those caliber guys don't have the mentality that they're the best? What do you expect them to say? "Yeah, that guys better then me" That's ridiculous!
Im a celtics fan, I love tatum as a person, great dad great guy. On the court I wish he would drive more and not being taking comparable amouts of 3s to curry however hes still a top 10 player in the league rn. Also he is inconsistent in the playoffs some games but literally always shows up in elminination games n game 7s so I really dont care that much.
Tatum has been the Celtics best player in every deep playoff run including conference finals and finals the Celtics have had since they drafted him BOTH Kyrie and and Hayward were injured the entire playoffs in 2018... Tatum took lebron to game 7 of the conference finals ... As a 19 year old rookie... The next season was the one Kyrie single handedly sabatoged the entire Celtics team and the celtics lost in the second round of the playoffs... Kyrie would be gone very soon after this series loss to the bucks and Hayward would from this point be a shell of his former self as an overall player... Constantly getting injured to the point where Celtics fans were completely numb upon hearing Hayward was injured by his 3rd season... So the celtics iteration of the team now is completely different from the team Tatum came into or was even surrounded with his first couple of seasons Kyrie, Hayward, Morris, kemba, Marcus smart, terry rozier have all come and gone during jaylen and jaysons time in Boston. Even guys like isaih Thomas who were part of the whole culture of the Celtics and it permeated for years after thomas left and now its a completely different vibe/team/atmosphere... Tatum was the best player in the 2018 playoffs... Second season jaylen brown was Tatum's best teammate and al horford was his second best teammate... Kyrie and Hayward were both i injured for the entire duration of the 2018 playoffs... TATUM IN ABSOLUTELY NO WAY... Had a "super team" or anything close to it 2020.. AGAIN... The Celtics best players were Tatum and brown... Marcus smart, now that he shot 29% from 3 instead of like 25%... Was now Jayson Tatums best teammate besides jaylen brown THAT was not even close to a superteam Im not going to break down every season... All im going to say is Tatum and brown have been winning WAY before they should have been... nd casuals.. instead of realizing the accomplishment it is to have your best player be 23 and second best 24 and make it to the finals... Casual dikheds use the fact that they didn't bsat the warriors... A literal dynasty... At 23... And 24.. Tatum LITERALLY had a fractured left wrist on top of the experience gap... But ya act like tatum and brown losing the finals is zome sort if negative mark on their resume No one else at 23 in this era has even made a finals as their teams best player... But ya... Talk shit about the one player that did
My problem with Tatum before even watching the video is that he has so much skill that he doesn't use. He could be an MVP of say he drove to the basket more or worked on his passing a bit. Instead, he chooses to come time and time again with trying to be like Kobe without being him taking jumper after jumper, which he's not amazing at. Tatum has the talent in and around him to be great and win, but he can't use it well. He's also just so inconsistent. He was doing terribly against the Sixers in that game 6, I think, but because he pulled his shit together, BARELY at the end, the NBA glazed him for the win.
People hate him cause he is so talented and skillful like no one can relate to him. And I think he is too good as a person and doesn't show so much flare, feels like he is hiding his emotions. Some people thought of him as inconsistent but his team is just really good that he is willing to share the spotlight every now and then.
@@Edd_LShore Lebron is so talented far from everyone, he is hated. MJ? is the best example of player that fans, media and the league wants. He talks, he entertains, full of drama and probably the first player that really globalized the game. He will be liked 99% cause he is marketable, and advertisements, media and league helps him, same as what he does to the league. So wait are you trying to find the next MJ, and compares Tatum with probably the GOAT?
@@dxbgaming4813 Im not trying to find anything. The idea that people hate talent is just wrong. Some people do hate on successful people for a variety of reasons. But because of talent? Nah. It just doesnt exist
@@Edd_LShoreTatum is a player that people have super high expectations on he’s a great player in the regular season but his efficiency deflects when playoff time comes. He doesn’t meet the standards that people place him on. And until he shows he has that dogg in him things could probably change
I don’t hate Tatum. He seems like a chill dude that keeps to himself. But I don’t think he should be mvp this season for three reasons: 1. His team is absolutely stacked. The warriors tried to prioritize Tatum defensively in the first quarter of the game yesterday and Jaylen Brown decided to cook them from 3. Nearly every starter on that roster was previously an all star or boarderline star. I’m not saying Tatum isn’t important piece to their roster, (I’m not blind I can clearly see that he is) I’m just saying that the Celtics would still be a playoff team without him. 2. If he should be mvp because he was the best player on the best team, why wasn’t that narrative used in the past few seasons? Giannis didn’t get an mvp last year, Booker didn’t in 2022, and Mitchell wasn’t even in the conversation in 2021. 3. Lastly, I just feel better players are carrying their respective teams with better stats. Simple as that. TLDR; Now before you Celtics fans say anything, I will say that if he does get the award this year I will not be mad. Leading any team to 60+ wins is a feat that should be awarded. I’m just saying that the team’s success feels more like a team effort than one specific individual’s.
giannis should have won mvp last year but games played was an issue, book didnt have media support tho he ended top5 if book was more popular no doubt he wins mvp over jokic who was a 6 seed, in mitchels case its because donos counting stats werent that impressive
I don‘t hate Tatum, don’t even dislike him. He is just a nothing Player to me. He plays at a high level no doubt, but he just lacks that natural Charisma of people like Giannis. Even Joker is „cooler“ to me because of his dry humor and humble character.
Correction: In his rookie year, Celtics under Stevens made it to ECF & 1 choke (Rozier & Brown choked) away from NBA Finals WITHOUT Kyrie & Hayward as both injured before start of playoffs. That playoff starting 5 was Tatum / Brown / Horford / Morris / Rozier (both Rozier & Brown were avg below 17 ppg) & Tatum played like a star .
To win MVP on a stacked team, you gotta be as clear of a #1 as, for example, Heat Lebron. And he's just not like that. The "If you take him out of the team" argument is also not that great compared to other candidates. The Celtics might still get home court in the first round without him. (I'm writing this before watching so they might bring up these points)
If he won MVP this year, it’d be looked at like Nash 05. A really good season by a player on a stacked roster where record was the argument. I would say others have better cases.
@@davidc.lalnelawma4776True, granted I’ve heard the Suns had injuries in 04, and with a similar team outside of Stephon Marbury they won 44 games or so in 03. Still a good improvement either way.
Curry won mvp averaging 24 ppg cuz his team was the best despite other players averaging better numbers. Nash averaged 16 ppg lol you could even add D rose mvp who won cuz of his teams success lol tatum is also 13-2 without kp and 5-0 without brown this year @@fortynights1513
I like how Tatum literally turned 26 yesterday and people are giving him crap like he should have lead his team to a championship already. Even Jordan didn’t win until he was as 28, but I get it he had a given-up Kyrie, broken Hayward, JB Horford and Smart, how dare he not win a title 😡
@@nikobellic2515 do you forget that the celtics have had success? who’s new on this team from last year? kp and jrue holiday, (idr if derrick white was there last year) but it’s not like he doesn’t know this team lmao they clearly have chemistry
Who is jokics supporting cast lol. Literally everyone of the players on his team is made much better by playing with the best passer in the league. Murray would be a third option on most teams
Tatum is top something player in the league atm. Like it or not, he's a star. And i dont mind star players getting star treatment and notoriety. What i do mind is the way people seem to always move the goalpost whenever it comes to judging him. We never really have a fair judgement in almost every Tatum conversation because it feels like he always has ultra-convoluted caveats to be taken seriously as a superstar. He always needs to do X,Y,Z and be this and that before finally he can achieve that superstar status, while other comparable players tend to be given more leeways. For instance, Devin Booker who had played with two Top 75 NBA All-Time players in Chris Paul and Kevin Durant in his career yet still with 0 ring but most people still have him over Tatum despite the fact Booker is a choker in the playoffs (something which Tatum always has an allegation for). Embiid who never made it past second round, who has always been a dropper in the postseason especially in elimination game, one MVP season and by the way people talk about him, he's now on Shaq level of greatness without having to prove anything anymore. Jimmy, who never won a ring, and lost to Tatum when he and his Miami Heat were clear favorites in elimination game, people still easily put him in current top 5-10 players over Tatum. This will be even more legitimate once Luka finally had a good team around him yet even with that he still underachieves, and people still baby him.
I hate the celtics, I hate all northwest sports, so take this however you want. First, anyone who has Devin Booker or Jimmy Butler over Jayson Tatum is insane. That being said, this idea that Tatum has a different measuring stick is true, but its fair given the context of his career. Tatum has never had a season without another all-star on the team, and has had a top 5 supporting cast every year of his career. Losing to the Warriors in the finals, could've happened to anyone, losing to the Miami Heat twice in the ECF when they're running Jimmy Butler and Bam as their two best players, that's a huge failure. Because of the situation he was drafted into, his expectations are higher, and they should be. It's only a problem because he has routinely failed to meet them. Nobody has ever expected the Mavs to make it past the second round, if they made it, it was a great season because Luka's supporting casts have been awful, but he exceeded expectations when he carried to the WCF and single-handedly dismantled the defending WCF winners. Tatum is easily a top ten player, anyone who says otherwise is delusional, but part of being a superstar is rising to the occasion in big moments, which means winning, and his team losses when they shouldn't too much. He has never been the underdog, which is fine if you win when you're supposed to, but is a problem when you don't. I will also say, Tatum isn't the only player who deals with this, look at Embiid for example. Sure, Embiid won a pity MVP last year, but nobody outside of the media and 76ers fans actually respects him that much because he has been unable to meet expectations when it counts, same goes for prime Harden. Tatum is certainly talented enough to be considered a superstar and a top 5 player, and when he inevitably leads the Celtics to a chip, he will get his flowers. It went the same way for Lebron.
No one has Booker over Tatum. Stop making up lies … other than that I agree with everything.. and Booker and KD are playing full season together unlike last season
the reason he's not mvp caliber rn is because his team would still be a solid playoff team without him. okc denver dallas and milwaukee would be either mid or miss the playoffs because of how much they rely on their mvp candidate's production
Celtics fan here and i don’t think Tatum has much hate. Most of the hate i’d say is from people who don’t like the celtics but even then i’d say Tatum is one of the more respected players in the league. He does get criticism when the Celtics get eliminated but i’d say last playoffs JB got much more of the criticism to the point he is overhated. Tatum is very respected among the fanbase for a celtics player
Eh Tatum gets a lot of hate, he’s held to a pretty insane standard compared to other superstars Like anytime he’s mentioned it’s immediately “but no rings” even though he just turned 26 (Lebron won his first at 27, MJ at 28 etc)
@@otisboy6714 I feel that’s just the effect of Tatum having so much success his whole career kind of like how Lebron was his early years. Most stars get unfairly criticized at a point just because of the toxic reality of sports media but I feel Tatum is much more liked and respected compared to his star counterparts like Embiid and Booker. I just don’t see much Tatum “hate” compared to other players but maybe i just haven’t seen that side of the community enough
@@otisboy6714The problem is that Kobe won his first at 21 years old with a great cast. If Tatum wants to be compared to Kobe, he is greatly underperforming because Celtics have a great roster. I know the comparison is unfair, but that's what happens when you obsess over your idol (Devin Booker is memed to death because of his relation to Kobe) Also, LeBron and MJ did not have their pivotal players before their rings (although LBJ did greatly underperform in 2011)
Ima premier Celtikkk hater, but him being on my team is the least of my issues. I really liked IT before that organization buried him like a dead puppy.
Tatum doesn’t need a team built around him? But Luka does? My guy… Tatum doesn’t KNOW what its like to not have a well built team around. Luka pushed the Mavs to the Conference Finals with Brunson as his second best player before we even saw him as an All Star candidate. Tatum has never played for a team without a second All Star.
Then what the hell was the 2018 Playoffs then? Cuz mans had 2nd year Jaylen Brown and Rozier as his main guys and remember Kyrie and Hayward didnt play that playoffs btw and i dont remember those 2 being all stars and yet he brought Lebron James to a 7 game series in the Conf. Finals
As a suns fan Tatum is my favorite non suns player maybe it’s because him and booker have similar games but I just love his jumpshot also him postering lebron was special
As a Heat fan I don't hate Tatum as a person or the player.... I'm admired his greatness of his game. The problem is of course everyone hates Boston not just us everybody, and anybody who was a Boston Celtics fan from their own City well there's there's one in front of you Boston has been how should I said the annoyance team of all in the NBA family.
@philipaguila6202 what do I have to lie it's the truth... anybody that cares about their team would tell you the same thing. They respect the players but they just don't respect the team and you know it!
You can change your name to Lilliard Sports/Trailblazers Sports, If we do a challenge to drink when you hear Dame or the Portland you will going to be drunk after their 3 videos
Not mvp comv, glazing, winning a chip with a superteam and play bad in the playoffs but still win. I really don't hate the Boston Celtics, the only reason why i hate them is they're fanbase. Celtics fan are just annoying, glazing JT and disrespectful but i consider some Celtics fans are respectful and I'm happy(not happy) for Boston winning a chip
Yeah Synthetic Sports is alright but it reads like an SI column with graphics. These boys have excellent sports IQ I’d love to see them drill down and get a little Thinking Basketball on this bitch. But it’s their channel, they have other stuff going on, just glad for the content fellas.
People hate on Jayson Tatum because he couldn't lead the team to a championship and yet they don't complain about Stephen Curry, Lebron James, or Kevin Durant having a super talented team before winning their first championship? Basketball isn't a sport where you play alone.
People hate the Lakers and Celtics because the media loves them and most of the hate comes from that opposed to anything a player does. Basketball is better when the Lakers and Celtics are irelevant and those teams being in the mix ruins the sport because the media actively starts cheerleading them and talking about the 80s. Its why a big percentage of the basketball community turned on LeBron after he left Cleveland.
I'd say that people were turning on LeBron before then. Btw, basketball is better when the Lakers and Celtics are irrelevant? So basketball is bad right now because the Celtics are killing it?
we don't "hate" him........we're just tired of the Boston media..... this is how it works: if a Boston player is good, the media will push him for all-star....if he's all-star level, the media will push him for all-nba....if he's all-nba level, the media will push him for MVP....and if he's MVP-level, the media will push him HoF......... and this has been going on basically since the foundation of ESPN..... jayson's fine......he tends to disappear in most big games, and his defense is overrated....but he's young, and he hasn't won anything.....but frankly, videos like this are why we are tired of you, not to mention all the ESPN promotion.......
Don't hate him, I hate the Celtics bc people talk about them being the best team in the East for years despite never winning a ring. I more so hate their fans tbh
Nobody hates him, we hate the Celtics, we just hate the argument of best player on best team, that’s not the name of the award This video is making me hate him, a whole lot of “yeah he’s in a stacked team but”’s, comparing him to LeBron and other players, saying he’s as good as Luka, this video is nasty
I've oftentimes asked myself the same question. Like he puts up the stats , he's on winning teams But yet I've never liked his game or play style for some reason and it's hard to put my finger on it. #1 I guess I don't like his game aesthetically , it seems somewhat mechanical, and not fluid.... #2 ) He doesn't seem to have a personality , or any defining feature. Hes like a default player on NBA 2K I can think of EVERY other top player , and develop some sort of opinion about them.....not Tatum. In fact , I like Browns play style and fluidity better , but yet Tatum seems to be 1A in that situation every year. I wonder if Brown will ever have the better year soon?
@@CelticsNation the shoes/height came from 2018 so it may be inaccurate but his weight has been consistently listed as being between 205-210 so I don't know where you're pulling 220 from
What lies? Celtics love him and make more excuses for him more than anything. Tatum failed us 2018, 2019, 2020, 2022. While brown ball out in all those series but somehow celtics fan still love tatum and bashed brown jist because tatum dunk on lebron 😂.
The American media is pushing him too hard, as they're desperate to have an American MVP. I think this artificial push is putting people off him. Also, Celtics, boring, and cringe relationship with Kobe.
You forgot to mention Miami Heat fans. And there's a lot of them. Flr some reason, Heat fans are happier seeing Tatum lose than their team actually winning. "Oh we lost the ECF, at least Boston didn't win." "Oh we lost the Finals, at least we beat Boston." Lol. If Boston wins it all this year, Heat fans will riot.
Late but this is from someone I know. Apparently, they don't like Tatum cause of the way he doesn't make use of his size to takeover games and instead would rather use contested fade away jumpshots and three pointers. It's like, imagine if Lebron decided to just do jumpers instead of taking advantage of his size and speed to penetrate to the rim for an easy layup.
Man I love Jayson Tatum. Hate how everyone wants to remember his bad games but not any of his spectacular ones (yes in the playoffs). And besides that, one of the nicest and most humble nba players you’ll see. Hope him and JB get their rings this yr
Cause he is woefully overrated!!! I'm not sure he is the best player on his own team, but talking heads keep saying he should be an MVP consideration. Get the heck outta here with this dude. He will shrink when the lights are the brightest!
You guys don’t like him cuz he in Boston & He’s Kobe Fan? Yall don’t say this for nobody that idolizes Kobe L’s in the chat man just give bro his flowers he better than Luka by far
He comes up small when it matters. Lost his balls in the Finals and ECFs the last two seasons when he had the better team. Now, this season it’s even more apparent the Celtics have the most talent. They are having a historic season bit lost to Denver twice because Tatum played like ass especially in the clutch. He will be destroyed if they don’t close the deal this season.
Nobody hates him. Hes just not All Time Elite like the other guys. Having said that, the goalposts have been moved and in the MJ Era Tatum wouldve been the Mvp this year
People can think what they want. He's a bucket. I honestly don't care who wins mvp. For he and the celtics it's all about getting over the hump. Get this core a ring. 🍀
jayson tatums only problem to me is that he trys to play like stephen curry too much. if he played his size he would dominate the league but he tries too hard to be a sharp shooter
people hate him because hes in conversations hes not meant to be in. he's also just the most privileged player in the league roster wise and has nothing to show for it because of his own doing.
@@fortynights1513 yes since he practically begged them to put him there. Just like Embiid. You ever wonder why no one hates SGA or Jokic compared to the above-mentioned 2?
Honestly, no one puts him in mvp conversations, straight up no one don’t know where your getting that from. He’s also a nice guy who doesn’t play dirty and really hasn’t done anything wrong. Yeah he’s underperformed at times in the playoffs but this man has it made to the conference finals 4 times, he has had success in the playoffs. Yes he was bad in the 2022 finals but honestly, other than that he’s been great in the playoffs. He also is very young only 26 years old. Honestly he shouldn’t be getting any hate. Dirk didn’t win a ring until he was 33 so there’s plenty of time for Tatum.
@StFigarlandGarling he literally has his teammates all vouching for him to be in the MVP and hes begging to be in it. His argument is literally "I dont have the stats but I have more wins so I should win". If I had to boil it down its that hes being pushed to be the one of the faces of the NBA way too hard when hes arguably one of the worst superstars in the league.
@@kalieden5493 “one of the worst superstars” bruh what does that even mean. I mean honestly I don’t see him getting pushed to the face of the league, people don’t actually even really talk about him much. It’s all about Jokic and Embiid, Shai, Luka, Giannis, Tatum kinda feels like he gets pushed to the side.
Do people really not like Tatum? I think people dont like the narratives around him created by the media (and celtics fans lol). Not the player himself
He plays for the Celtics and as a Sixers fan I despise the Celtics with every fiber of my being. He's a tad overrated too. Came up short when it mattered two years in a row with a LOADED roster. If he doesn't get it done this year, serious questions need to be asked about this current Celtics era. Hate on Embiid or Jokic all you want but honest question, who's had more help the last 5 years, Tatum, Embiid or Jokic? It's not even close! It's Tatum! Tatum shouldn't be in the MVP convo because you take him off the Celtics and they still are a top 3 seed in the East.
"He has amazing/best supporting cast BUT..." I mean seriously how can you even say that with a straight face? You cant make that argument for him and then write off everyone else you mentioned just based on them alone while totally ignoring their support casts. Double standards right there He cant do it with one of the best supporting casts in a league for years and he thinks he should be mvp? If any of other players you mentioned had that kind of supporting cast they would have won ring already. Tatum is really good and legit seems like a good dude but he is one of those jack of all trades, master of none kind of player. And because he is really a media darling, all those talks and excuses about him really rub off plenty of people wrong.
I'm a C's fan, and I could easily say there are better plays than Tatum. Do I say he shouldn't be on the list, of course not! The best player on the clear best team of the league should have consideration, especially if they've been somewhere in that list before. Also, the Celtics fanbase can get crazy, which is why people hate the Celtics and Tatum (example: 2022 finals and the Ayesha Curry can't cook shirts). I sure wouldn't take it too far to where something that stupid because people are just going to hate. Also, the Celtics are on a 11 game win streak and we're 48-12, so I totally understand if you want that record thrown out of the window 😅.
The Tatum no aura narrative is a myth. Majority of ya'll base that off highlights or the few primetime games you've watched. He plays with just as much ferocity as a lot of the other elite guys in the NBA.
Well if Tatum is your top three MVP pick who are you taking out, Jokić Shai or Giannis? And explain why you’re replacing one of those players for Tatum if that’s how you truly feel. Or are you just saying stuff to say stuff with no meaning behind it
If Tatum wins a ring this year I think 60/70% of the hate/criticism he receives will go away
Agree
Even if he never does as the guy, he’s putting together a very solid career for himself.
@@fortynights1513Him & Brown have had great Celtic careers and have etched their name into the franchise history with their playoff success even if they’ve not won it yet.
@@fortynights1513yup and that’s all it will be if he doesn’t win a ring. A solid career but can’t win, he’ll be in the Chris Paul, Russel Westbrook, KD, Damien lillard, etc…. Convo. Also just the fact that him and his team are insanely overhyped and overrated. You always know one thing for sure, Tatum and his team will choke in the playoffs
Probably… but tbh if he wasn’t on the Celtics I’d like him a lot more
Jason Tatum looks like a very friendly chipmunk
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This is the best description I didn’t know I needed 😅
Ain’t no way!!😂
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I genuinely don’t understand why Tatum gets as much hate as he does, he’s one of the nicest stars in the league
its not his attitude, its the way he ballhogs the ball in the 4th quarter
@@ratstar4102 bro shut up you sound dumb
@@ratstar4102tell me you haven’t watched a Celtics game lmfaoooo Tatum is the opposite of a ballhog I be yelling at him to get the ball and take over
He seems like a nice guy and all, but the issue is that he’s grossly overrated. Hate will come a player’s way if he gets overly glazed, no matter if it’s his fault or not
@@noooodIe real
The thing I look forward to with a new Synthetic Sports video are the "but"t pictures lmao
And every time I get to see a new angle of Kyle Lowry's majestic behind
He can’t crack into the mvp conversation, because there’s just better candidates (SGA, Jokic, Giannis, Luka)
Edit: Luka vs Tatum is going crazy in the comments
Depends on what you value. Outside of Giannis and Embiid he is the best two way player in the league, and he is the best player on a team that might win 65 games. Does that win him the MVP maybe not but he definitely deserves consideration and has a legit case
C’s fans and most people don’t have him winning or think he should be winning they just think he should be mentioned or in the convo, I think he has a argument to at best be 3rd
@@cgs20 27 7 5 on good not great effiency shouldn't be in the mvp conversation
@@Recurses per 75 pos he's averaging 27/8/5/1/1 on 61ts while playing all-defensive level ball don't get me wrong I think Luka, Jokic, Embiid, and Giannis are having very year but Tatum have an argument
I say top five in the vote, but not the MVP.
I feel like people need to realize that those “stacked” teams Tatum were on weren’t as good as people thought.
Smart was the 3rd best player for them last 2 years 😂
It's a very strange narrative since the only active "all-star" players that played in those playoffs where....Jason Tatum and Jaylen Brown. Both Kyrie and Hayward was mostly hurt and Kemba was already cooked when he got to Boston. The third option for most of those playoff games was Horford and Smart. Very much NOT allstars.
People are using this stacked team so that when the Celtics loose … they be like “Tatum can’t even win with a stacked team”.. it’s like his haters , prob Luka fans, already created a narrative in their head….
@@Jonteponte71 This. People seem to act like Hayward didn't get injured on his first game as a Celtic, and never looked the same. Kyrie was useless in the playoffs. And like you said, Kemba was cooked. Had no knees left.
They really blame tatum for everything just because celtics exec are being competent lol
Because the people in the MVP conversations are just better. Tatum is good, but just a tier below them.
why would you hate someone cause he isn't as good as others. Tatum gets lots of hate
@@storme6177 cuz his fans are annoying as hell and currently tatum is on a pitty mvp race like embiid did last year
This year I really don't know who should win mvp, Jokic, Giannis, Shai, Tatum, Luka... Ever since Embiid got hurt it's been an absolute tossup
@@southsouthsouthside yeah people like to balance love with hate I just think thats stupid
@@storme6177 It's not hate to say a guy isn't an MVP. It's just he's not an MVP.
Tatum needs to win a ring to get respect. He needs one this year more than anything because if they don't win it with a stacked team like this then when are they ever gonna win it? Just like the 49ers in the NFL.
Love your videos, brother, keep up the good work, I've been subbed to you for a while 🍻
The irony of only watching 2 things on TH-cam - vids on Celtics and TFTT... And dude has a comment on here. 😅
Because he's a good guy Christian
Did he wait til marriage? What color is his wife?
The Kobe text shit was really weird to me, seems like an odd guy
I always thought doing that telling the media about that was corny AF, no need to tell the media. Just keep the mamba mentality to yourself
aye, i definitely got the impression it was to attract attention
@@Bliu2thmaking it public was my problem. I love Kobe too, but dang. Definitely felt attention seeking.
I think if someone is as great as Tatum they hold another passion for the game and love for their idol. He was like 23 when he did it. You probably did a lot of weird shit when you were 23 also.
Same with Booker. They both fighting to be the "Next Kobe" title. It's cringe.
A ring and a mvp the two arguably hardest things to win is the only thing stopping us from having him in hof conversations at 26
You could say that about literally every player younger than 26 lol
Hall of fame? Who cares about that? Also, yeah, winning is kind of hard
Tatum is not hated except by jealous ppl. Tatum has the #2 BEST selling NBA jersey. Tatum had the #2 highest fan votes in the final East All Stars voting. CLEARLY, lots of fans love him.
media wise tho ppl hate on him
@@mozzibrip9379the media dickrides him and puts him in conversations that he doesn’t belong in
@@mozzibrip9379 The media likes click bait and causing a ruckus. Fans all over the world speak otherwise based on those jersey sales and the All Star fan votes!
@@Robin-xt7yohe has #2 selling jersey because the celtics are a historic franchise with tons of fans
@youreanoob6336 Celtics "history" has ppl buying legend's jerseys such as Larry Bird and Bill Walton. JT is popular in his own right as noted with him getting the 2nd highest fan votes for all star.
2022 final’s plain and simple made him look so bad it was the biggest stage where it was “his team” and he had like 22 ppg on like 35% shooting
What’s crazy is he shot like 45% from 3 meaning he shot like 20% from 2
This. Andrew Wiggins clamped him and Jalen Brown had a better series by a substantial margin. Could even argue the Celtics had a more talented roster than the Warriors, which was arguably their weakest team out of their recent finals appearances (Curry plus one fringe all star in Wiggins who many believe didn’t deserve to be an All Star that season but was voted in by the fans as a starter).
But Lebron was worse in his first 2 finals and he didn’t get the hate like that. He was 23 during that warriors finals while others don’t get penalized for not even making the playoffs
@docgrowsfood the Celtics absolutely had a better overall team when you extend it to the bench but Golden State had the right players come up big for them and of course, the experience was invaluable.
I actually thought GS was pretty even with the Celtics the biggest difference was Curry was an mvp level player and made those types of plays
the fact you guys don’t have more subscribers blows me away. every video has such high quality and are so entertaining to watch
THATS WHAT I"M SAYING!!!
People hate on Tatum for a few reasons:
1. He is super skilled
2. He puts better numbers than most of their favorite players.
3. Mostly because of the Jersey he’s wearing.
but the fact is he is not clutch
@@ratstar4102most points in a game 7 and has a statistically good clutch stats
@@lachlancoombs482 he is 1/20 its just like Marcus Smart shooting 3's percentage
@@ratstar4102what??? 1/20 from what bro? Tatum literally had the highest % of game winning or tying shots before this season LMFFAO
@@noooodIe LOL show me a proof? All they do is win in a large Margin but they lost to crucial close games and Tatum misses all the shots! Its a fact! Try to watch Kendrick Perkins report and check Tatum's dead last in Clutch shots, he misses to much shot, overrated!
because we live in a GEN Z society now where people are more impressed by 30 point triple doubles on losing teams vs WINNERS
Jayson Tatum and the Celtics are held to a much higher standard than the rest of the NBA. I mean who else has even been considered a choker at only 26 years old despite repeated success in the playoffs.
the joe borrow effect
LeBron, he might've been 27 though in 2011
LeBron James, Michael Jordan and Peyton Manning for starters.
LeBron kept getting hit with that label before 2011. People who harp on that *genuinely* make no sense.
50 in game 7 , 46 in game 6 down 3-2 in milwaukee, beat the heat in game 7 winning eastern conference finals mvp. tatum has more big playoff games than anyone else in the league under 27 years of age @@FakeNews-y8i
i like tatum and i think the "boring" label is so dumb bc as a fan, i'd prefer my star to be scandal-free and a good person. BUT although i think he deserves mvp consideration, he's probably not even a top five player in the league (if joel was healthy, tatum wouldn't make all-nba first team this year now that it's positionless). the timberwolves are 1st in the west, but you don't see anthony edwards getting any mvp love, so while seeding matters, i think advanced stats matter even more.
Edit:This comment has nothing to do with the MVP discussion
idk what it is but it seems like he has to work wayy to hard to get the respect everyone else gets easily
He had to sweep KD beat Giannis and Jimmy all in 1 playoff run just to get called a superstar and be mentioned in the top 10, whereas a guy like SGA averages 30 in a regular season and without winning anything significant gets thrown into top 5 convos
I think it's the inconsistency and not realising his best assets.
Edit: Forgot to mention the Dawg/Aura factor. Some stars just have that indescribable, unquantifiable IT.
tbh that nba fans. They suck in general.
SGA leads his team consistently, a lot of the time tatum has had the best roster in the east how much of any of the celtics success is just tatum and how much of okc’s turnaround has been just shai improving
its because of system celtics history and their depth any allstar can thrive in that system
@@davidc.lalnelawma4776the inconsistency is my biggest problem. He disappears for some games in the playoffs and his team carries him, then he gets a ton of credit when he finally shows up.
Its all about jealousy. Being in the playoffs since day 1, multiple ECF and a final. Had already broken records. JT a better player compared to their fav player at his age.
Like cmon how do you hate a guy with a good personality, good teammate, doesn't take the media for dramas.
Because people don’t know what a good player is anymore. It’s always about counting stats. There aren’t many players who if you watch everyday your appreciation goes way up. Tatum is one. To me you watch him every day and how he carries himself he’s an absolute throwback.
I think also it’s just people like to follow a narrative and not make their own opinions and if you don’t follow they crowd and make your own opinion to them you’re a “casual”
Thats just your fellings. Means absolutely nothing lol
@@loganthorntinni2579 on.the contrary, Tatum is amazing has been the narrative since his first season. Saying otherwise was the hard thing.
@@Edd_LShore I mean you wanna play? I’m your huckleberry. You got actual points about Tatum bring them.
@@michaeln3044 You brought your feelings to this, how he makes you feel.
He just doesnt dominates the way Jokic, Giannis, Embiid and Luka does.
Hes more like a Shai. Awesome but no all time awesome (and yes Embiid not doing it in the playoffs hurts his legacy I know)
When did everybody start hating Jayson Tatum?
bc he’s a boston celtic
To me the Tatum haters are just as ridiculous as the Jokic “he’s so clearly dominant compared to the rest of the league” fans
Spurs fan here and don't hate Tatum. He's a good player and doesn't cause any problems on/off the court. He's a good young man, well spoken, smart, etc. Good role model type.
Not sure if a lot of folks hates him. But if they do, its probably due to his team being overrated at times (many ppl outside of New England don't like the Celtics) , team underachieving in the playoffs, his confidence, and his good looks. lol
As a fan, most of the hate comes from other Celtics fans. Boston hates him for some reason.
@@joshuabryant9845you’re high lol
@@Fonz0 He's not lying though. A big chunk of Celtics fans are ready to attack him, Brown or Smart of they play bad. Let's just say that not 100% of the fans really like him.
Define smart. The word gets tossed around so much these days in different ways.
@@W81Researcher Not dumb. Intelligent. Bright.
What's your definition for smart?
because hes a celtic and everyone hates boston teams
The universal hate for boston sports across all major leagues needs to be studied
as a Tatum hater, I'll tell you..
he's NOT the best player on the Celtics, yet the media pushes for him to be the MVP and "face of the league" all because his team is OP...
and bro had the audacity to say he's the best player in the league in an interview, like bro, ur not even the best player on ur team on a given night
Bruh.. so the guy who leads his team in pts, trbs, and second in assists while leading them in nearly all advanced stats is not their best player? Don't get me wrong, he has a LOT of help. But he is certainly their best player. Also, a guy who has made two straight all nba first teams said he's the best player in the league? You seriously think that guys such as Tatum (who let me be clear, I don't believe is the best in the league) and shai and those caliber guys don't have the mentality that they're the best? What do you expect them to say? "Yeah, that guys better then me" That's ridiculous!
Im a celtics fan, I love tatum as a person, great dad great guy. On the court I wish he would drive more and not being taking comparable amouts of 3s to curry however hes still a top 10 player in the league rn. Also he is inconsistent in the playoffs some games but literally always shows up in elminination games n game 7s so I really dont care that much.
Tatum has been the Celtics best player in every deep playoff run including conference finals and finals the Celtics have had since they drafted him
BOTH Kyrie and and Hayward were injured the entire playoffs in 2018...
Tatum took lebron to game 7 of the conference finals ... As a 19 year old rookie...
The next season was the one Kyrie single handedly sabatoged the entire Celtics team and the celtics lost in the second round of the playoffs...
Kyrie would be gone very soon after this series loss to the bucks and Hayward would from this point be a shell of his former self as an overall player... Constantly getting injured to the point where Celtics fans were completely numb upon hearing Hayward was injured by his 3rd season...
So the celtics iteration of the team now is completely different from the team Tatum came into or was even surrounded with his first couple of seasons
Kyrie, Hayward, Morris, kemba, Marcus smart, terry rozier have all come and gone during jaylen and jaysons time in Boston.
Even guys like isaih Thomas who were part of the whole culture of the Celtics and it permeated for years after thomas left and now its a completely different vibe/team/atmosphere...
Tatum was the best player in the 2018 playoffs...
Second season jaylen brown was Tatum's best teammate and al horford was his second best teammate...
Kyrie and Hayward were both i injured for the entire duration of the 2018 playoffs...
TATUM IN ABSOLUTELY NO WAY...
Had a "super team" or anything close to it
2020.. AGAIN... The Celtics best players were Tatum and brown...
Marcus smart, now that he shot 29% from 3 instead of like 25%...
Was now Jayson Tatums best teammate besides jaylen brown
THAT was not even close to a superteam
Im not going to break down every season... All im going to say is Tatum and brown have been winning WAY before they should have been...
nd casuals.. instead of realizing the accomplishment it is to have your best player be 23 and second best 24 and make it to the finals...
Casual dikheds use the fact that they didn't bsat the warriors... A literal dynasty... At 23... And 24.. Tatum LITERALLY had a fractured left wrist on top of the experience gap...
But ya act like tatum and brown losing the finals is zome sort if negative mark on their resume
No one else at 23 in this era has even made a finals as their teams best player...
But ya... Talk shit about the one player that did
for real tho, the level of Tatum hate is insane
My problem with Tatum before even watching the video is that he has so much skill that he doesn't use. He could be an MVP of say he drove to the basket more or worked on his passing a bit. Instead, he chooses to come time and time again with trying to be like Kobe without being him taking jumper after jumper, which he's not amazing at. Tatum has the talent in and around him to be great and win, but he can't use it well. He's also just so inconsistent. He was doing terribly against the Sixers in that game 6, I think, but because he pulled his shit together, BARELY at the end, the NBA glazed him for the win.
He’s a genuine dude that’s role model was Kobe. If Tatum wanted to dress as Kobe and text him just let him, even though it’s oddly weird.
People hate him cause he is so talented and skillful like no one can relate to him. And I think he is too good as a person and doesn't show so much flare, feels like he is hiding his emotions. Some people thought of him as inconsistent but his team is just really good that he is willing to share the spotlight every now and then.
People hate talented people? Thats your take? So... Jordan wasnt talented? What?
@@Edd_LShore Lebron is so talented far from everyone, he is hated.
MJ? is the best example of player that fans, media and the league wants.
He talks, he entertains, full of drama and probably the first player that really globalized the game. He will be liked 99% cause he is marketable, and advertisements, media and league helps him, same as what he does to the league.
So wait are you trying to find the next MJ, and compares Tatum with probably the GOAT?
@@dxbgaming4813 Im not trying to find anything.
The idea that people hate talent is just wrong.
Some people do hate on successful people for a variety of reasons. But because of talent? Nah. It just doesnt exist
@@dxbgaming4813I gon lie bruh that take u just made was really bad bruh it’s definitely a better why niggas don’t mess with Tatum like that
@@Edd_LShoreTatum is a player that people have super high expectations on he’s a great player in the regular season but his efficiency deflects when playoff time comes. He doesn’t meet the standards that people place him on. And until he shows he has that dogg in him things could probably change
I don’t hate Tatum. He seems like a chill dude that keeps to himself. But I don’t think he should be mvp this season for three reasons:
1. His team is absolutely stacked. The warriors tried to prioritize Tatum defensively in the first quarter of the game yesterday and Jaylen Brown decided to cook them from 3. Nearly every starter on that roster was previously an all star or boarderline star. I’m not saying Tatum isn’t important piece to their roster, (I’m not blind I can clearly see that he is) I’m just saying that the Celtics would still be a playoff team without him.
2. If he should be mvp because he was the best player on the best team, why wasn’t that narrative used in the past few seasons? Giannis didn’t get an mvp last year, Booker didn’t in 2022, and Mitchell wasn’t even in the conversation in 2021.
3. Lastly, I just feel better players are carrying their respective teams with better stats. Simple as that.
TLDR; Now before you Celtics fans say anything, I will say that if he does get the award this year I will not be mad. Leading any team to 60+ wins is a feat that should be awarded. I’m just saying that the team’s success feels more like a team effort than one specific individual’s.
giannis should have won mvp last year but games played was an issue, book didnt have media support tho he ended top5 if book was more popular no doubt he wins mvp over jokic who was a 6 seed, in mitchels case its because donos counting stats werent that impressive
because he plays on the celtics lol
I don‘t hate Tatum, don’t even dislike him. He is just a nothing Player to me.
He plays at a high level no doubt, but he just lacks that natural Charisma of people like Giannis. Even Joker is „cooler“ to me because of his dry humor and humble character.
giannis and charisma are like oil and water
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I just think Kobe thing turns lot of people off
Correction: In his rookie year, Celtics under Stevens made it to ECF & 1 choke (Rozier & Brown choked) away from NBA Finals WITHOUT Kyrie & Hayward as both injured before start of playoffs. That playoff starting 5 was Tatum / Brown / Horford / Morris / Rozier (both Rozier & Brown were avg below 17 ppg) & Tatum played like a star .
????? Nobody chocked. They faced the best player in the history of the sports (not the greatest, maybe).
They did chocke versus Giannis the next year. But that mostly Irving
@@Edd_LShorerozier definitely choked he went 0/10 from 3
@@BTChris9 Well I was talking more bout Brown and Tatum
Bro Tatum was the best player on the team his rookie year playoffs what are you smoking smh
To win MVP on a stacked team, you gotta be as clear of a #1 as, for example, Heat Lebron. And he's just not like that. The "If you take him out of the team" argument is also not that great compared to other candidates. The Celtics might still get home court in the first round without him.
(I'm writing this before watching so they might bring up these points)
If he won MVP this year, it’d be looked at like Nash 05.
A really good season by a player on a stacked roster where record was the argument.
I would say others have better cases.
@@fortynights1513 at least Nash that year was the most (maybe only) notable player added to the team for a 33 win improvement.
@@davidc.lalnelawma4776True, granted I’ve heard the Suns had injuries in 04, and with a similar team outside of Stephon Marbury they won 44 games or so in 03.
Still a good improvement either way.
Curry won mvp averaging 24 ppg cuz his team was the best despite other players averaging better numbers. Nash averaged 16 ppg lol you could even add D rose mvp who won cuz of his teams success lol tatum is also 13-2 without kp and 5-0 without brown this year @@fortynights1513
I like how Tatum literally turned 26 yesterday and people are giving him crap like he should have lead his team to a championship already. Even Jordan didn’t win until he was as 28, but I get it he had a given-up Kyrie, broken Hayward, JB Horford and Smart, how dare he not win a title 😡
give jordan this celtics team they would’ve won two years ago
Shit give Luka Dončić this team they would’ve won a championship by now
@@zachestine let Tatum have a chance with this team first before you start writing him off…
@@nikobellic2515 do you forget that the celtics have had success? who’s new on this team from last year? kp and jrue holiday, (idr if derrick white was there last year) but it’s not like he doesn’t know this team lmao they clearly have chemistry
Because he's a choker Giannis was the same way until he got through and won a championship
Im a C's fan, but this is a great video. Very unbiased opinion, was very fresh to hear how unbiased u guys were
Who is jokics supporting cast lol. Literally everyone of the players on his team is made much better by playing with the best passer in the league. Murray would be a third option on most teams
Tatum is top something player in the league atm. Like it or not, he's a star. And i dont mind star players getting star treatment and notoriety. What i do mind is the way people seem to always move the goalpost whenever it comes to judging him. We never really have a fair judgement in almost every Tatum conversation because it feels like he always has ultra-convoluted caveats to be taken seriously as a superstar. He always needs to do X,Y,Z and be this and that before finally he can achieve that superstar status, while other comparable players tend to be given more leeways. For instance, Devin Booker who had played with two Top 75 NBA All-Time players in Chris Paul and Kevin Durant in his career yet still with 0 ring but most people still have him over Tatum despite the fact Booker is a choker in the playoffs (something which Tatum always has an allegation for). Embiid who never made it past second round, who has always been a dropper in the postseason especially in elimination game, one MVP season and by the way people talk about him, he's now on Shaq level of greatness without having to prove anything anymore. Jimmy, who never won a ring, and lost to Tatum when he and his Miami Heat were clear favorites in elimination game, people still easily put him in current top 5-10 players over Tatum. This will be even more legitimate once Luka finally had a good team around him yet even with that he still underachieves, and people still baby him.
I hate the celtics, I hate all northwest sports, so take this however you want. First, anyone who has Devin Booker or Jimmy Butler over Jayson Tatum is insane. That being said, this idea that Tatum has a different measuring stick is true, but its fair given the context of his career. Tatum has never had a season without another all-star on the team, and has had a top 5 supporting cast every year of his career. Losing to the Warriors in the finals, could've happened to anyone, losing to the Miami Heat twice in the ECF when they're running Jimmy Butler and Bam as their two best players, that's a huge failure. Because of the situation he was drafted into, his expectations are higher, and they should be. It's only a problem because he has routinely failed to meet them. Nobody has ever expected the Mavs to make it past the second round, if they made it, it was a great season because Luka's supporting casts have been awful, but he exceeded expectations when he carried to the WCF and single-handedly dismantled the defending WCF winners. Tatum is easily a top ten player, anyone who says otherwise is delusional, but part of being a superstar is rising to the occasion in big moments, which means winning, and his team losses when they shouldn't too much. He has never been the underdog, which is fine if you win when you're supposed to, but is a problem when you don't. I will also say, Tatum isn't the only player who deals with this, look at Embiid for example. Sure, Embiid won a pity MVP last year, but nobody outside of the media and 76ers fans actually respects him that much because he has been unable to meet expectations when it counts, same goes for prime Harden. Tatum is certainly talented enough to be considered a superstar and a top 5 player, and when he inevitably leads the Celtics to a chip, he will get his flowers. It went the same way for Lebron.
No one has Booker over Tatum. Stop making up lies … other than that I agree with everything.. and Booker and KD are playing full season together unlike last season
Of course, they gonna hate players who joins the Celtics.
Isn’t it obvious they don’t want them to win the championship.
the reason he's not mvp caliber rn is because his team would still be a solid playoff team without him. okc denver dallas and milwaukee would be either mid or miss the playoffs because of how much they rely on their mvp candidate's production
Ur right, 2013 lebron didn’t deserve the mvp. Great take you silly silly boy
@@unhhgcrxexhjvuvujchcrzwzwz7956 Lol so you're comparing JT to 2013 Lebron now? Sounds even sillier
cuz hes a fraud. Chokes every year, has the most stacked team, coasts most games
Celtics fan here and i don’t think Tatum has much hate. Most of the hate i’d say is from people who don’t like the celtics but even then i’d say Tatum is one of the more respected players in the league.
He does get criticism when the Celtics get eliminated but i’d say last playoffs JB got much more of the criticism to the point he is overhated. Tatum is very respected among the fanbase for a celtics player
Eh Tatum gets a lot of hate, he’s held to a pretty insane standard compared to other superstars
Like anytime he’s mentioned it’s immediately “but no rings” even though he just turned 26 (Lebron won his first at 27, MJ at 28 etc)
@@otisboy6714 I feel that’s just the effect of Tatum having so much success his whole career kind of like how Lebron was his early years. Most stars get unfairly criticized at a point just because of the toxic reality of sports media but I feel Tatum is much more liked and respected compared to his star counterparts like Embiid and Booker. I just don’t see much Tatum “hate” compared to other players but maybe i just haven’t seen that side of the community enough
@@otisboy6714The problem is that Kobe won his first at 21 years old with a great cast. If Tatum wants to be compared to Kobe, he is greatly underperforming because Celtics have a great roster. I know the comparison is unfair, but that's what happens when you obsess over your idol (Devin Booker is memed to death because of his relation to Kobe)
Also, LeBron and MJ did not have their pivotal players before their rings (although LBJ did greatly underperform in 2011)
Ima premier Celtikkk hater, but him being on my team is the least of my issues. I really liked IT before that organization buried him like a dead puppy.
Til he does something note worthy, he will always get hated especially since he’s with Boston
he makes a lot of points when they are already winning
His garbage time stats are wild💀
I don’t watch much Celtics but is the Warriors games last night a typical night for Tatum?
@@lorenzo6777yes
@@iz1801 their garbage time usually starts in the 3rd quarter
It’s called not letting the lead shrink
ive heard nowhere that Tatum is disliked amongst the fans...idk where you got this idea
As a Kobe fan, I find Tatum’s Kobe fandom endearing. He just needs to win to change the narrative. Nothing else.
It's really not
If you really think Joker’s supporting cast is anywhere NEAR Tatum’s your crazy. Same with SHAI and the young OKC. Awful take.
That's not what they said.
Tatum doesn’t need a team built around him? But Luka does?
My guy… Tatum doesn’t KNOW what its like to not have a well built team around. Luka pushed the Mavs to the Conference Finals with Brunson as his second best player before we even saw him as an All Star candidate. Tatum has never played for a team without a second All Star.
Let them create their own narrative man far be it from us to bring up facts lol
Then what the hell was the 2018 Playoffs then? Cuz mans had 2nd year Jaylen Brown and Rozier as his main guys and remember Kyrie and Hayward didnt play that playoffs btw and i dont remember those 2 being all stars and yet he brought Lebron James to a 7 game series in the Conf. Finals
@@YukkiRuiiihe averaged 18 ppg lol
@@AlexGarcia-pk8kz so the hell does 18ppg explain? That he was shit? Lol
Ummm who fucking cares if Luka lead his team to the Confernce Finals 2 years ago? Wtf does that gave to do whats going on now?
I too have an irrational hatred of the Celtics.
As a Kobe fan I had no idea he donned a lakers jersey. I fcking love him now.
Everyone knows that Tatum idolizes Kobe though lmao
As a suns fan Tatum is my favorite non suns player maybe it’s because him and booker have similar games but I just love his jumpshot also him postering lebron was special
As a Heat fan I don't hate Tatum as a person or the player.... I'm admired his greatness of his game. The problem is of course everyone hates Boston not just us everybody, and anybody who was a Boston Celtics fan from their own City well there's there's one in front of you Boston has been how should I said the annoyance team of all in the NBA family.
Stop lying
@philipaguila6202 what do I have to lie it's the truth... anybody that cares about their team would tell you the same thing. They respect the players but they just don't respect the team and you know it!
Well he played like absolute $#*t against the Nugs today. He's always falling apart in these big games. It's tough to see.
You can change your name to Lilliard Sports/Trailblazers Sports, If we do a challenge to drink when you hear Dame or the Portland you will going to be drunk after their 3 videos
Not mvp comv, glazing, winning a chip with a superteam and play bad in the playoffs but still win. I really don't hate the Boston Celtics, the only reason why i hate them is they're fanbase. Celtics fan are just annoying, glazing JT and disrespectful but i consider some Celtics fans are respectful and I'm happy(not happy) for Boston winning a chip
This needs a deeper conversation than these reasons given in this video.
Yeah Synthetic Sports is alright but it reads like an SI column with graphics. These boys have excellent sports IQ I’d love to see them drill down and get a little Thinking Basketball on this bitch.
But it’s their channel, they have other stuff going on, just glad for the content fellas.
People hate on Jayson Tatum because he couldn't lead the team to a championship and yet they don't complain about Stephen Curry, Lebron James, or Kevin Durant having a super talented team before winning their first championship? Basketball isn't a sport where you play alone.
People hate the Lakers and Celtics because the media loves them and most of the hate comes from that opposed to anything a player does. Basketball is better when the Lakers and Celtics are irelevant and those teams being in the mix ruins the sport because the media actively starts cheerleading them and talking about the 80s. Its why a big percentage of the basketball community turned on LeBron after he left Cleveland.
I'd say that people were turning on LeBron before then. Btw, basketball is better when the Lakers and Celtics are irrelevant? So basketball is bad right now because the Celtics are killing it?
This is all your feellings. Can you say somehting relevant or you are an emotional teenage girl all the time?
Tatum hasn’t played with 5 all stars man stop
Tatum is absolutely better than Doncic
If he was he would have been won a chip
we don't "hate" him........we're just tired of the Boston media.....
this is how it works: if a Boston player is good, the media will push him for all-star....if he's all-star level, the media will push him for all-nba....if he's all-nba level, the media will push him for MVP....and if he's MVP-level, the media will push him HoF.........
and this has been going on basically since the foundation of ESPN.....
jayson's fine......he tends to disappear in most big games, and his defense is overrated....but he's young, and he hasn't won anything.....but frankly, videos like this are why we are tired of you, not to mention all the ESPN promotion.......
Don't hate him, I hate the Celtics bc people talk about them being the best team in the East for years despite never winning a ring. I more so hate their fans tbh
Nobody hates him, we hate the Celtics, we just hate the argument of best player on best team, that’s not the name of the award
This video is making me hate him, a whole lot of “yeah he’s in a stacked team but”’s, comparing him to LeBron and other players, saying he’s as good as Luka, this video is nasty
this
Best stats on a team that has a ceiling of a 2nd rd exit isn’t the name of the award either
@@GetenIce my MVP so far is Jokic, so that doesn’t apply to me
@@GetenIce my MVP so far is SGA
Buddy Luka is a defensive liablity
I've oftentimes asked myself the same question.
Like he puts up the stats , he's on winning teams
But yet I've never liked his game or play style for some reason and it's hard to put my finger on it.
#1 I guess I don't like his game aesthetically , it seems somewhat mechanical, and not fluid....
#2 ) He doesn't seem to have a personality , or any defining feature.
Hes like a default player on NBA 2K
I can think of EVERY other top player , and develop some sort of opinion about them.....not Tatum.
In fact , I like Browns play style and fluidity better , but yet Tatum seems to be 1A in that situation every year. I wonder if Brown will ever have the better year soon?
in my opinion he could be in goat conversations if he stopped shooting and realized he was 6'10 and athletic
But he’s a career 38% 3 pt shooter so why would he stop
Tatum is 6'8 and weighs 210 how would shooting less benefit his game in any way?
@@jamalwalker04Tatum is not 6’8 in shoes that’s his real height. Also, he was 210 lbs when he came into the league he’s over 220 lbs now.
So he’s better at finishing?
@@CelticsNation the shoes/height came from 2018 so it may be inaccurate but his weight has been consistently listed as being between 205-210 so I don't know where you're pulling 220 from
What lies? Celtics love him and make more excuses for him more than anything.
Tatum failed us 2018, 2019, 2020, 2022. While brown ball out in all those series but somehow celtics fan still love tatum and bashed brown jist because tatum dunk on lebron 😂.
The American media is pushing him too hard, as they're desperate to have an American MVP. I think this artificial push is putting people off him.
Also, Celtics, boring, and cringe relationship with Kobe.
You forgot to mention Miami Heat fans. And there's a lot of them. Flr some reason, Heat fans are happier seeing Tatum lose than their team actually winning.
"Oh we lost the ECF, at least Boston didn't win."
"Oh we lost the Finals, at least we beat Boston."
Lol. If Boston wins it all this year, Heat fans will riot.
Late but this is from someone I know. Apparently, they don't like Tatum cause of the way he doesn't make use of his size to takeover games and instead would rather use contested fade away jumpshots and three pointers. It's like, imagine if Lebron decided to just do jumpers instead of taking advantage of his size and speed to penetrate to the rim for an easy layup.
Man I love Jayson Tatum. Hate how everyone wants to remember his bad games but not any of his spectacular ones (yes in the playoffs). And besides that, one of the nicest and most humble nba players you’ll see. Hope him and JB get their rings this yr
Cause he is woefully overrated!!! I'm not sure he is the best player on his own team, but talking heads keep saying he should be an MVP consideration. Get the heck outta here with this dude. He will shrink when the lights are the brightest!
He is a little bland, he lacks a bit of charisma and let's be honest that back tattoo is absolutely horrendous
You guys don’t like him cuz he in Boston & He’s Kobe Fan? Yall don’t say this for nobody that idolizes Kobe L’s in the chat man just give bro his flowers he better than Luka by far
He comes up small when it matters. Lost his balls in the Finals and ECFs the last two seasons when he had the better team. Now, this season it’s even more apparent the Celtics have the most talent. They are having a historic season bit lost to Denver twice because Tatum played like ass especially in the clutch. He will be destroyed if they don’t close the deal this season.
Nobody hates him. Hes just not All Time Elite like the other guys.
Having said that, the goalposts have been moved and in the MJ Era Tatum wouldve been the Mvp this year
People can think what they want. He's a bucket. I honestly don't care who wins mvp. For he and the celtics it's all about getting over the hump. Get this core a ring. 🍀
jayson tatums only problem to me is that he trys to play like stephen curry too much. if he played his size he would dominate the league but he tries too hard to be a sharp shooter
He shoots too many 3s for his height/skill set and is way more of a fanboy of Kobe than he was to MJ
Tatum dosent have a fun game or highlight plays? I’ve officially realized people don’t know wassup
people hate him because hes in conversations hes not meant to be in. he's also just the most privileged player in the league roster wise and has nothing to show for it because of his own doing.
Is it his fault that the media labeled him in the conversation?
@@fortynights1513 yes since he practically begged them to put him there. Just like Embiid.
You ever wonder why no one hates SGA or Jokic compared to the above-mentioned 2?
Honestly, no one puts him in mvp conversations, straight up no one don’t know where your getting that from. He’s also a nice guy who doesn’t play dirty and really hasn’t done anything wrong. Yeah he’s underperformed at times in the playoffs but this man has it made to the conference finals 4 times, he has had success in the playoffs. Yes he was bad in the 2022 finals but honestly, other than that he’s been great in the playoffs. He also is very young only 26 years old. Honestly he shouldn’t be getting any hate. Dirk didn’t win a ring until he was 33 so there’s plenty of time for Tatum.
@StFigarlandGarling he literally has his teammates all vouching for him to be in the MVP and hes begging to be in it. His argument is literally "I dont have the stats but I have more wins so I should win". If I had to boil it down its that hes being pushed to be the one of the faces of the NBA way too hard when hes arguably one of the worst superstars in the league.
@@kalieden5493 “one of the worst superstars” bruh what does that even mean. I mean honestly I don’t see him getting pushed to the face of the league, people don’t actually even really talk about him much. It’s all about Jokic and Embiid, Shai, Luka, Giannis, Tatum kinda feels like he gets pushed to the side.
Buddy lost his only chance at a ring to Stephen Curry at the TD Garden. It's okay to lose, but not at home.
Went from playing for Duke to playing for Boston. That'll get you hated in warp speed.
the celtics fans defending him in the comments with delusional biased takes are why i hate him
Because he plays SOFT. No one can deny that he’s an elite talent but he just plays so soft man.
Do people really not like Tatum? I think people dont like the narratives around him created by the media (and celtics fans lol). Not the player himself
I wonder what your aura looks like there's a lot of auras out there pretty ugly if they don't know God
He is just really mid. Not good enough for mvp candidacy or to push through and win a title. Being super super timid and boring don’t help either
He plays for the Celtics and as a Sixers fan I despise the Celtics with every fiber of my being. He's a tad overrated too. Came up short when it mattered two years in a row with a LOADED roster. If he doesn't get it done this year, serious questions need to be asked about this current Celtics era. Hate on Embiid or Jokic all you want but honest question, who's had more help the last 5 years, Tatum, Embiid or Jokic? It's not even close! It's Tatum! Tatum shouldn't be in the MVP convo because you take him off the Celtics and they still are a top 3 seed in the East.
"He has amazing/best supporting cast BUT..." I mean seriously how can you even say that with a straight face? You cant make that argument for him and then write off everyone else you mentioned just based on them alone while totally ignoring their support casts. Double standards right there He cant do it with one of the best supporting casts in a league for years and he thinks he should be mvp? If any of other players you mentioned had that kind of supporting cast they would have won ring already.
Tatum is really good and legit seems like a good dude but he is one of those jack of all trades, master of none kind of player. And because he is really a media darling, all those talks and excuses about him really rub off plenty of people wrong.
I'm a C's fan, and I could easily say there are better plays than Tatum. Do I say he shouldn't be on the list, of course not! The best player on the clear best team of the league should have consideration, especially if they've been somewhere in that list before. Also, the Celtics fanbase can get crazy, which is why people hate the Celtics and Tatum (example: 2022 finals and the Ayesha Curry can't cook shirts). I sure wouldn't take it too far to where something that stupid because people are just going to hate. Also, the Celtics are on a 11 game win streak and we're 48-12, so I totally understand if you want that record thrown out of the window 😅.
The Tatum no aura narrative is a myth. Majority of ya'll base that off highlights or the few primetime games you've watched. He plays with just as much ferocity as a lot of the other elite guys in the NBA.
Well if Tatum is your top three MVP pick who are you taking out, Jokić Shai or Giannis? And explain why you’re replacing one of those players for Tatum if that’s how you truly feel.
Or are you just saying stuff to say stuff with no meaning behind it
Using that tweet is nasty business that’s not a real Celtics fan you weirdo it’s a lakers fan pretending