Thanks for this video!!!! I bought these hinges to make a folding table for my RV. It wasn’t until I was home and looking at them that I realized how unique they are. I got scared to try them. This video took away the fear. Now I’m off to buy the correct drill bit. Thank you!
Many thanks for making this video. I was wondering how many problems I was going to have to over come to make this style hinge work...now I know. Maybe I will go with a different type hinge, as I have no metric drills and I don't want to mess up a beautiful box. Next time I will think things all the way through first!
Really helpful Sergio. I just bought some barrel hinges for a puzzle box I have almost completed ... now I can install them correctly. Thankyou for taking the time to make the video.
nice way to avoid tear out when drilling. i leave a little flag on my piece of tape on the drill bit, then once i get to depth the flag part sweeps away the dust and i can see where to stop easier.
Thanks for showing what can go wrong. That will help other to avoid those situations. Maybe it will work if you make a tiny v-groove at the back so get the clearance you need to open the lid?
When I use barrel hinges, I always chamfer the edges to allow a little extra clearance. If you want to open the lid 180 degrees, you need to have the hinge edge just under half the distance between the barrels as you supposed. If you want a 90 degree lid, centre your hinges and 45deg chamfer up to 1mm from the hole . I use a stopped block as a drill guide. I make it by setting the scrap up in the drill press and clamping it tightly before drilling. Then I add another piece to make a T. this allows me to hold it tightly against the project for drilling.
Could it be that when you enlarged the hole from 10mm to 10.5mm, the metal drill you used didn't centre properly? If it took more material off the interior side of the hole than the exterior side, that could result in the hinge being moved further away from the edge when you tighten the tiny screw, which could be the cause of the grating. 10.5mm spur drills exist, but they're pretty rare. I wonder whether you're supposed to just beat the hinge into a 10mm hole with a hammer! All the same, these hinges look like a real pain to install - thanks for all the details!
Either a chamfer or get them very close to the edge. I just finished a ring box and had no chamfer...but I had to bore the hole very close to the edge. It works great doing it this way for small items but you must first test spacing on scrap wood to see how close you need to get. Once I got a mock-up that worked without chamfering, I then used that to create a template and then applied to my box using a small center punch to keep the bit from walking.
Those hinges are made for 10mm Forster bit. And 1/2” material. You need them much closer to the edge to make them work properly. Close to 1/16” away from the edge. Using your drill press would make the holes cleaner also.
The max distance from the edge of the material to the edge of the hinge is 1.8 millimeters for the 10mm hinges. (According to the instructions that came with the hinges)
Hello! I am going crazy with these little... I would like to know which diameter of hinges you are using and which diameter you chose for the whole - I have 10mm hinges and drilled 10mm holes. The problem is that these things have to pressed into the hole with a clamp and I can't position them precisely in the hole that I drilled slightly deeper (just in case ^^).Yours seem to slide in and out of the hole okay.
I've learnt so many things from your videos. Now again. These concealed barrel hinges are beautiful but it seems very difficult to install them properly. In general one should try out new things at first on scrap wood. It seems, that 10,5 mm is a too large diameter for the 10 mm hinge. It should be possible to buy drill bits for metal 10,2 mm (I use a 8,2 mm for 8 mm dowels) If you have (or buy) "spade drill bits" ten you can try to adept the width. In that case you need only one drill bit. Did you try the 10 mm bit? Is it really a too tight hole with that? Maybe (also) the screw you used was too short? Did/can you use (also) glue? These are just some questions/remarks, not criticism. Thanks for sharing the video. I'm already looking forward to the next one.
Thank you for your reply.. I understand that glue or epoxy is no option. Try to get a 10.2 mm drill bit for metal. If you make a small punch (hole) with an owl the drill bit will not wander. (immediately use the 10.2 mm drill bit for metal, NOT the 10 mm drill bit for wood). In a drill press without problems Let me know if you cannot get a 10.2 mm drill bit for metal. Here it should not be a problem (I suppose because 8.2 mm was not a problem although that was already many years ago, maybe in the last centrury :-) ) I can buy you one and send it to you, if necessary.
I just finished making an engagement ring box. As indicated, the hinges were very tight (too tight) to install using the size drill bit that corresponds with the hinge...and the next size bit was too large. I overcame this by using the same size bit (which was too tight) and then I chucked one of the hinges in my drill and basically reamed out the hole using an actual hinge until it went in. I then used two drops of gel CA glue inside the hole (applied with a toothpick to enable me to get it down inside) and then pressed the hinges in. I used very small hinges with no adjustment and it turned out great with this method.
Thanks for the video! I tried these hinges on a project recently and nearly lost my mind! After this project, do you think that these things ever work perfectly?
Preparation and accurate execution is abs'key with these hinges. Firstly, as with all things, you get what you pay for and so do not buy cheap barrel hinges - they will flex and bind. Secondly, assemble an accurate facsimile from off-cuts to demonstrate that your calculations and methods are correct. Thirdly, use the correct tools e.g. a marking gauge, a small pilot drill in a corded drill at high speed, a forstener bit or, if you must use a standard bit then do not use soft wood as a drill guide. Simples and 40 years experience.
Well, I always say I am not a master 😅, just a woodworker and DIY enthusiast 😃. Actually those barrel hinges where quite expensive, so if they are not the good ones ... how much good ones cost 😲?. Anyway barrel hinges are quite expensive anyway ☹️. Thanks for your tips, sure they will help a lot 👍😃
Simple explanation of a complicated process, explaining the math is extremely helpful. Really great video, keep em coming.
Thanks for this video!!!! I bought these hinges to make a folding table for my RV. It wasn’t until I was home and looking at them that I realized how unique they are. I got scared to try them. This video took away the fear. Now I’m off to buy the correct drill bit. Thank you!
I have avoided using these hinges for this reason. Thanks for showing some of the challenges.
Thanks for the tips. Wish i had watched before I bought all these barrel hinges.
Many thanks for making this video. I was wondering how many problems I was going to have to over come to make this style hinge work...now I know. Maybe I will go with a different type hinge, as I have no metric drills and I don't want to mess up a beautiful box. Next time I will think things all the way through first!
Really helpful Sergio. I just bought some barrel hinges for a puzzle box I have almost completed ... now I can install them correctly. Thankyou for taking the time to make the video.
Thank you for showing how to fit those, keep producing the great video’s.
Thank you. Your information was very detailed and very helpful again thank you very much.
nice way to avoid tear out when drilling. i leave a little flag on my piece of tape on the drill bit, then once i get to depth the flag part sweeps away the dust and i can see where to stop easier.
I'm glad i watched this because now i know not to bother with those types of hinges. Far too fiddly. Great vid.
Thanks for posting the video. I'm just getting into making small wooden boxes recently and picked up some barrel hinges the other day.
Thanks for showing what can go wrong. That will help other to avoid those situations.
Maybe it will work if you make a tiny v-groove at the back so get the clearance you need to open the lid?
When I use barrel hinges, I always chamfer the edges to allow a little extra clearance. If you want to open the lid 180 degrees, you need to have the hinge edge just under half the distance between the barrels as you supposed. If you want a 90 degree lid, centre your hinges and 45deg chamfer up to 1mm from the hole . I use a stopped block as a drill guide. I make it by setting the scrap up in the drill press and clamping it tightly before drilling. Then I add another piece to make a T. this allows me to hold it tightly against the project for drilling.
I think you do really good work.
Thanks for showing the best way to install these type of hinges Sergio :) ॐ
From where can i get these in india 🇮🇳?
What a great way to add these hidden hinges. Why not just use CA glue instead of a second screw. Great video, great explanation, great wood-worker.
Thank you very much 😃. Well, I don't trust these hinges too much, so I don't want to glue them. Otherwise some glue could go inside the hinges
Thanks Sergio we can all learn something! Very informative. Cheers Sean
Nice work and an informative video, thanks.
Your videos are a joy to watch :)
Hi. Great video. I need to replace a damaged barrel hinge. I have removed the pin/screw but it doesn't come out. Any tips please?
Did you manage to do it? 😊 Having a hard time here too
Perhaps a small beveled edge on each top and bottom would resolve the problem of touching when opening
Nice job Sergio. Gracias!
good job thanks
Could it be that when you enlarged the hole from 10mm to 10.5mm, the metal drill you used didn't centre properly? If it took more material off the interior side of the hole than the exterior side, that could result in the hinge being moved further away from the edge when you tighten the tiny screw, which could be the cause of the grating.
10.5mm spur drills exist, but they're pretty rare. I wonder whether you're supposed to just beat the hinge into a 10mm hole with a hammer!
All the same, these hinges look like a real pain to install - thanks for all the details!
Thank you!!!
Looking at other videos on the barrel hinges, a small chamfer would seems to solve the binding?? Like the video!!
Thanks for the tip. I have to try it. These hinges are expensive and it is not nice when I cannot make them work correctly
@@WoodworkingwithDIYtools I have purchased some barrel Hinges, keen to experiment...
@@WoodworkingwithDIYtools "Expensive" ? mebbe I shopped at the wrong place...
Either a chamfer or get them very close to the edge. I just finished a ring box and had no chamfer...but I had to bore the hole very close to the edge. It works great doing it this way for small items but you must first test spacing on scrap wood to see how close you need to get. Once I got a mock-up that worked without chamfering, I then used that to create a template and then applied to my box using a small center punch to keep the bit from walking.
Great video, thanks 👍👍👍
I think a small chamfer around the entire perimeter of the mating sides of the box would eliminate the creaking.
nice job
A set of metric transfer points would sure make the second positing of these barrel hinges easier!
"metric transfer points" ??
Thank you for the video!
Madre mía el acentaco....se nota que eres español a la legua
Thanks, really useful video!
Luckily I watched this video before screwing up my jewelry box. Thank you very much
These hinges look so easy to instal, but they are so .... so .... grrrr Thanks for watching :D
Those hinges are made for 10mm Forster bit. And 1/2” material. You need them much closer to the edge to make them work properly. Close to 1/16” away from the edge. Using your drill press would make the holes cleaner also.
😥 I hate this kind of hinge. They are not easy to install at all. Thanks for sharing your knowledge 👍😃
The max distance from the edge of the material to the edge of the hinge is 1.8 millimeters for the 10mm hinges. (According to the instructions that came with the hinges)
muy bien.
Where did you order these hinges and what is the name of it? I need to order 2 for a desk.
Hello! I am going crazy with these little... I would like to know which diameter of hinges you are using and which diameter you chose for the whole - I have 10mm hinges and drilled 10mm holes. The problem is that these things have to pressed into the hole with a clamp and I can't position them precisely in the hole that I drilled slightly deeper (just in case ^^).Yours seem to slide in and out of the hole okay.
He used a 10.5 mm bit to widen the hole.
Roll a piece of 220 grit sandpaper up into a tube to take a few thousandths off the inside of the hole.
where did you get these hinges from? they look great and much simpler than butt hinges to install
Why didn’t you drill holes in the dowels you used to fill the incorrect holes?
Thanks. It helped me a lot. No videos in Portuguese. Maybe I can make one...
Now I gotta find a 8mm bit somewhere in the US
Put a small chamfer on the outside edges of the hinge side of your cabinet. You will avoid the binding.
Yes, sure that would work and it would give a nice touch to the cabinet
TOPP, the best 👍👍👍👍👍👍
Muito bom mesmo.
Obrigado.
what joinery did you use for the box? I saw the tiny strips of darker wood on the corners so it got me wondering.
I miter cut the end of the boards to make the vertical miter joints. And I have a spline miter jig to reinforce the miter joints using wood splines
muito bom
very good
Perfekt danke 👌👌👌
I've learnt so many things from your videos. Now again. These concealed barrel hinges are beautiful but it seems very difficult to install them properly.
In general one should try out new things at first on scrap wood.
It seems, that 10,5 mm is a too large diameter for the 10 mm hinge.
It should be possible to buy drill bits for metal 10,2 mm (I use a 8,2 mm for 8 mm dowels)
If you have (or buy) "spade drill bits" ten you can try to adept the width. In that case you need only one drill bit.
Did you try the 10 mm bit? Is it really a too tight hole with that?
Maybe (also) the screw you used was too short?
Did/can you use (also) glue?
These are just some questions/remarks, not criticism.
Thanks for sharing the video. I'm already looking forward to the next one.
Thank you for your reply.. I understand that glue or epoxy is no option. Try to get a 10.2 mm drill bit for metal. If you make a small punch (hole) with an owl the drill
bit will not wander. (immediately use the 10.2 mm drill bit for metal, NOT the 10 mm drill bit for wood). In a drill press without problems
Let me know if you cannot get a 10.2 mm drill bit for metal. Here it should not be a problem (I suppose because 8.2 mm was not a problem although that
was already many years ago, maybe in the last centrury :-) ) I can buy you one and send it to you, if necessary.
I just finished making an engagement ring box. As indicated, the hinges were very tight (too tight) to install using the size drill bit that corresponds with the hinge...and the next size bit was too large. I overcame this by using the same size bit (which was too tight) and then I chucked one of the hinges in my drill and basically reamed out the hole using an actual hinge until it went in. I then used two drops of gel CA glue inside the hole (applied with a toothpick to enable me to get it down inside) and then pressed the hinges in. I used very small hinges with no adjustment and it turned out great with this method.
Thanks for the video!
I tried these hinges on a project recently and nearly lost my mind!
After this project, do you think that these things ever work perfectly?
thanks
I have also struggled with this type of hinge.They are very finicky, and relay not very well made.
I get stressed when I have to install them 😅
Chamfer the edges that meet.
Muy Bien
Preparation and accurate execution is abs'key with these hinges. Firstly, as with all things, you get what you pay for and so do not buy cheap barrel hinges - they will flex and bind. Secondly, assemble an accurate facsimile from off-cuts to demonstrate that your calculations and methods are correct. Thirdly, use the correct tools e.g. a marking gauge, a small pilot drill in a corded drill at high speed, a forstener bit or, if you must use a standard bit then do not use soft wood as a drill guide. Simples and 40 years experience.
Well, I always say I am not a master 😅, just a woodworker and DIY enthusiast 😃. Actually those barrel hinges where quite expensive, so if they are not the good ones ... how much good ones cost 😲?. Anyway barrel hinges are quite expensive anyway ☹️. Thanks for your tips, sure they will help a lot 👍😃
chamfer
After going on five years that this video has been up, I can only imagine the number of ruined projects from folks who followed your lead.
I'm sorry, but I can't understand half of what he is saying......
Don't ever call tech support for help with your phone or computer then. He's not bad compared to what I often hear! ;)
The button on the bottom right is "closed caption" and displays text of what is said. Hope this helps.
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