AM I WRONG about this flextail zero mattress ?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ก.ค. 2024
- Flextail says:
A 3.9-inch (10 cm) thick profile and U-shaped high-low structure design, deliver premium backcountry comfort while keeping the weight to a minimum.
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With an impressive R-value of 5.6, ZERO MATTRESS R05 MUMMY adopts a vertical tube structure, which possesses excellent insulation performance, keeping you warm and cozy even in chilly outdoor conditions. Good for year-round, and perfect for outdoor adventures such as backpacking, and hiking.
Weighing just 24.3oz and packing down to φ13*27.5cm/φ5.1*10.8in, ZERO MATTRESS R05 REGULAR is incredibly portable, allowing you to bring luxurious comfort to any campsite or trail. Featuring a user-friendly design, this mattress inflates and deflates quickly with FLEXTAIL ZERO PUMP, allowing you to set up camp in minutes and pack up with ease.
Our Verdict
We're working out what we think about Flextail's R05 Zero Regular Sleeping Mat, we'll add our comments here in due course.
- Reviewed by Ultralight Outdoor Gear
Features
Ultralight comfort
5.6 R-value year-round warmth
Ultra-compact design
Standpipe structure
Easy inflation and deflation
Available in 2 size options
Specifications
Weight: 720g (excluding bag)
Size: 183 x 65 x 7cm / 72 x 25.6 x 2.8in
Packed dimensions: 13 x 27.5cm / 5.1 x 10.8in
Thickness: 10cm / 3.9in
ASTM R-Value: 5.6
Material & Construction
Thermal insulation
7-layer insulation structure
ASTM R-Value:
From 2020, there is a new industry standard for measuring the R-value (level of insulation) of sleeping mats - ASTM F3340-18. This new standard is the sleeping mat equivalent to the EN rating for sleeping bags. You can now directly compare the R-value of mats rated using the ASTM F3340-18 with confidence that is a fair and accurate comparison between mats. In simple terms, the higher the R-value, the warmer the mat.
In general terms, an R-value below 2.0 is for summer use, 2.0 to 4.0 is for cooler 3 season use and 4.0+ is for winter temperatures. This will be also be dependent on your sleeping bag, how cold you sleep etc. Please contact our customer service team if you need advice on choosing the right mat for your activity.
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I BELIEVE THIS OUTDOORS VITALS SLEEPING BAG IS A LOT BETTER FOR THE MONEY.
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I own this pad and use it most weeks, its the most comfortable pad I've ever used, and definitely as warm as it's rated. Im 6ft 2" and around 15 stone and the two edges, whilst not insulated, cause no issues for me. You need to try this pad, inflate to 4/5th's capacity and you'll have a very comfortable and warm nights sleep, this was the pad I have been searching for, and for the price it's a steal.
Don't think that missing insulation would matter. Your body core is central. The side tubes are more for support. IMO 😊 Cheers Danial
Good Bloke Outdoors uses this Matt. Ben Nevis in February. That will do for me. Flex tail stuff is quality for the money.
That bright orange might just save your life if you get into trouble on the moors.
I get all the stealth camping stuff, but I'd rather be a bit more visible sometimes. As long as its in your tent when you don't want to be seen it should be fine.
I wouldn't care much about the color, but the enormous, packed size is a hard no for me.
the pack size is the main issues for me, if it had insulation in the outer tubes it would be even bigger!
Hey mate good vid, dont worry about the mat, as long as a certain percentage of body heat is reflected it will keep the outer lengths warm via convection. No point insulating the whole thing. Dont let it worry you, test it and see.
Hi Dan. The colder outer tubes will not cool the inner warm ones. This is impossible, the warmer inner tubes will warm the outer ones. Heat can only ever move to a cooler place, cold can never move to a warm place. Your body will continue to warm the pad. 2nd law of thermodynamics, basically heat can never move to a warmer place. Hope this helps but you are wrong to worry about it.
Extremely good points you have raised, any inside insulated ones we have ever used have had the insulation on all the tubes, both top and bottom. Will be interested in your eventual conclusions. Thank you for sharing this video. Stay well, stay safe, Helen and Katarin Juska-Law and Terri with Robyn.
I’ve got no problem with the colour. I take your point about the insulation value but I guess the whole thing is a balance between size/weight and comfort/insulation. The only meaningful test is whether or not it works in the cold.
I've used this may and it was nice and warm. No issues at all.
This pad in my opinion is a banger. Brilliant for the money, warm and the most comfortable pad I own. Colour aint a problem. Lee...
The air mixing in the chambers of the Mat , is a very good question pal .🙂, I think it would mix slowly over the night .🤔
It can't mix mate. Heat can only move in one direction.
Definitely a concern but will have to wait till winter to truly find out
Good informative video once again Dan thanks for sharing
I am fine with the colour , got one a few weeks ago but yet to try it out.
Hi Dan, great content as ever, is there a air mat or similar that you would recommend for the larger guy. Equipment for the really tall or heavy can be really difficult to find. Might be an idea for a series of videos looking at getting those out camping who are away from the normal demographic!!
Was checking this pad out the other day on the website. Id prefer a darker colour personally, but as others have said if inflating in your tent its not that important.
Reminds me of the UL80's profile, where the edges keep you centered, so doubt the lack of insulation will matter much. I do agree that you should hold off 'reviewing' it until youve used it out for a couple of nights. Maybe keep these types of videos as first look ones perhaps.
the UL80 would be the best out there if they didn`t bloody deflate!! , i`ve bought 4 (for my family to go to festivals etc) and 2 of them go down over night , 50% efficiency just isnt good enough even for 40 quid
Very good vid mate , that mat is meant for mountain / jungle use , where being seen is most important for emergencies .
Dan can you let me know where you got that spiky mat you sometimes use. They not at go out doors . I do remember one of your videos saying it's very comfortably 👍
Hi Dan.
No the colour wouldn’t bother me much unless I was trying to stealth camp with just a tarp. I really enjoy your videos on stuff and over the years have bought a lot thanks to you. But!! I’ve said this before it really helps to know how much things are. So my question is how much is the mat ??? 😂🤣😂😂😂take care.
Cheers dan lad you say it as you see i think your concerns are along the right lines.
Dan, I heàr ya about the cold air travelling thru the chambers from the outside 2. However, wouldn't this also keep the warmer air moving throughout the air mattress as well, keeping the heat distribution moving and circulating.......i dont know really, maybe its a double edged sword!
God bless
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Looks, a good matt to me. Would need to test it to be sure though.
Hey Dan good to see another great vid colour wouldn’t bother me too much but a wider colour choice would be better as long as it works and keeps you warm job done
Can you look at some of the kilos gear and give us your opinion please Dan
I want a new mat myself, naturehike have brought a new one out which is thicker than the previous version so should be comfy and is claiming a 8.8R rating just waiting for some reviews to come up about it first.
Hello Dan , I wish that all makers of tents would offer colour choice on their products , how hard can it be to have the material in 3/4 colours , Light bright for Mountain use , Green and browns for Woodland users , and brighter ones for those who like to camp on sights or for the parks / beaches !.🤔
It's not meant to heat the air inside. It reflects your body heat back to you and the base reflects the cold back to ground.
That latest Flextail pump , Is much quieter than the one I have , But mine's not a Camping version .🙂👍
there must be a mylar film vulcanized inside for heat reflection; also, check flextail flexgear mosquito repellent/camping lamp kit, its AWESOME edit: I like the color, when I go kayak camping I am on an orange theme setup :) edit: the way the whole insulated mattress was presented to me was like this: dont look at it like the ground cold rising up and making you cold, look at it like the cold cold ground sucking the heat out of your body hence the barrier to reflect your body heat back to you
Well this is an interesting discussion. What we are talking about here is 'heat transfer' - and that's how the cold ground cools your body or else how your body heat transfers to the ground.
I think you are half right here with your thinking, and there is a concern.
When camping, your sleeping body usually touches the mattress/pad above the insulated part and that stops or slows the body heat from transferring to the cold ground below. So the main insulation here is good, and is what the R rating measures. The higher the R value, the better.
But there is a secondary heat transfer from the mattress/pad sides to the cold or ambient air of the tent, and the inflated air connection between the parts of the pad provides the heat transfer 'bridge' between your warm body heat and the colder air in the tent.
That said, it's usually the cold ground below your sleeping pad that is the main problem when sleeping in winter conditions, not so much the air temperature inside the tent. Plus some tents are warmer than others, in terms of the inside air temperature on those cold nights.
I can't think of a reason why the outer tubes of this Flextail pad are not insulated, other than to save a little weight. But maybe it's still a better pad than many others.
Perhaps it's worth doing a direct comparison with other pads, in terms of weight versus R value, and then with a real-world camping test of how each one actually performs on a cold night or on icy ground.
My own camping solution in cold weather is usually to take an extra layer of foam or reflective padding to place below the sleeping pad. Plus your sleeping bag choice also makes a huge difference.
If, like me, you only camp occasionally, then the best solution is to take extra layers, because then you can deal with being too cold, or else too hot.
At Easter time, I was still using my winter gear. In May, I'm never too sure if I need a winter sleeping bag or a summer one. I'll find out next weekend.
As usual, thanks for your videos.
Brilliant matt cheap warm comfy what more do you want.
Ey up me duck.
The colour I don't think matters so much as it'll be inside a tent, hammock or bivvy bag and as long as those are a more stealthy colour it'll be fine. The insulation, I honestly don't know fella, it needs to be tested in cold conditions.
Have a good weekend Dan 👍🙂
The thickness may be at those outer parts but the main bed isnt 3.9 inches
I follow your reasoning here. Is the company's R rating an average from all tubes or is it a theoretical number based on the insulated tubes? It pays to read the further comments you include from Ultralight Outdoor Gear that you post further down in your video introduction.
I never use air mats , I have always used Foil covered Foam mats .
Well spotted Dan Comfort is at a price but when you pay the price you're cold that's not thought out
Like i said b4 Dan get your self the big agnes rapide sl. Its awesome, its an all rounder.
Well i have this mat and its good for me been very comfy and had alot of good reviews and with the colour it makes no difference its inside the tent not that bright that you will see it through tent
I jist bought myself the new One Tigris Obsidian pad. Uses some of the same technology as the Thermarests and has an V value of 5.2. Sure I paid about £68 when it first launched. It comes with a huge pump sack that doubles as a dry bag and packs down nice and small. Its a large pad aswell not a mummy one.
I think that if it keeps your body warm, that's great. it definitely needs a good test . God bless you and your family, and happy camping 🏕 😀 😊 🙏. Lee
They maybe should of made the colour of carry bag a bit different
Lots of comments about the colour being OK.
I reckon it could be bright orange on the bottom, but a stealthy colour on the top. Best of both worlds.
Colour wouldn't bother me at the end of day your sleeping on it ,
It's covered by your bag the only thing I would be interested in is r rating correct
I see these comments and as a expat try using it in -20 in Canada 🇨🇦
Dan has a good point warmth is essential
Same colour as the big agnes. Loads of people i follow use this mat.
Looks like my Exped mat but its half the size of that flextail mat.
Good watch mate
Nobody will see the mat if you’re in a tent or the mat is in a bivvy bag. The colour is totally irrelevant in my book & you need to test the mat properly to know whether it is warm enough or not. Love your videos by the way👍
Only way to really know for sure is doing a camp.😊
Dan one thing to always remember is HEAT ALWAYS MOVES TOWARDS ME COLD never the other way
The colour is fine. No one will see it if you are stealth camping as you will be inflating it in your tent.
Nah Dan, the outer edges need ro be clear due to the seam.
The point is it's not the air keeping you warm, it's the reflectix inside.
Time will tell, try it out and see if you feel a cold spot.
I hate the colour.
Also it's a pretty big pack size!
Thanks for the vid!
Test it in cold winter conditions, then youll know for certain either way .. This surely needs to be just an initial first unpacking look video.. As others have said, the bright colour isn't that important..
When we used this type yes it does get really cold so i took it out and jus used a sleeping bag it seems better without the mat.Awesome thots buddy . :)Take care be safe and love your videos.Friends from NWP, FL USA Barbie & Sam
For me the biggest things are the weight, you say it's very light and the pack size. It looks very large compared to the alternatives. I've no idea about how heavy it is. When you lay on it, you were not on the ends, a lack of insulation wouldn't matter to me, I don't move around.
The main question I have is, how well it lasts. I wish items were really tested before a review. This is a negative on society, not you in general. I've spent 20+ backpacking trips with my newest tent but couldn't provide a review, just positives and negatives so far. I could with a couple of hammocks but I've spent 300+ nights in each.
I'm waiting for steak and potatoes reviews 😂
Still waiting for camping content 😊
Hi Sammy I was out last night in a small woodland bit it's not much about camping but I was camping... i just need to get the next 2 weeks out of the way then camping every weekend
@@englishwoodsman hope all is well Dan, I just enjoy your camping and hiking content ☺
I think I will stick with my Exped Dan
Looks alright, but there’s absolutely no reason to buy this over a Big Agnes Rapide SL other than price.
You might be onto something about that rating. Remember it’s a lab test with a dummy in real life active sleepers will agitate the air in the pad and it probably will sleep colder than tested. I know this is a problem other tubers have noted with some of the sea to summit and big Agnes pads.
The pad has been tested (supposedly) using current ASTM methods that do not include a dummy. The pad is inflated and compressed between two plates, a heated one on the top and an unheated one on the bottom, and how much heat is transferred to the bottom plate is how the R-value is determined. It's not a perfect system and they do state that it doesn't account for movement, pressure variance or heat loss beyond the control of insulation (e.g., side loss), but it is the best one going for reaching an objective and realistic value rather than in-house methods designed to sell pads based on artificially high values.
The real problem isn't how it's tested, but the fact that Flextail, while marketing the pad as being ASTM rated, doesn't say if the advertised 5.6 R-value is the ASTM value or their own BS value. This is exactly what Klymit does with their Static V pads. They claim it has a 4.4 R-value and tell you it's ASTM rated, but they do not tell you that the ASTM value is not 4.4, but 1.4 - less than half what they claim based on their in-house methods. I could be wrong, but because Flextail isn't saying something like "R-Value: ASTM 5.6R", I have a feeling that the ASTM rating is much lower than the one they're claiming and probably closer to 3, if even that.
Is this sponsor review didnt see i mention in the description
No mate
@@englishwoodsman cool it looks good
It's just a color no biggie
I think you have made your mind up before you try it. Its good value for money if the r rating is true. Sleeping pads are way too expensive and get damaged to easy
Pack size to big
Who cares about colour? It's gonna be inside your tent. Totally irrelevant. As for the insulation, you've got it wrong. The air will warm up, not get cold.
Air can only stay warm if there is an insulated barrier on either side
Fury or Usyk??
Usky
@@englishwoodsman Fury
I like the Orange colour.
Do we really need R values at all?
That's a great question
I'm not trying to be a negative Nelly here Dan , but don't have equipment on the channel until you have tested it ... All this video is saying you don't know / haven't tested it .....just hold fire until you have formed your own thoughts. I think your review response might get swayed by the TH-cam comment section. Keep up the good work ❤
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Explain just what is "woodsman" about this? Another desperate video from this channel. Get out & be that person you're always telling others to be.
Can't always make the video you may like .
@englishwoodsman maybe ask your subscribers what they want to see then, personally I would rather have one really good video a week or even fortnightly, watching others (I won't mention names) they do just that & it's a quality video that's worth waiting for. We all know you can put great content out because you've done it, you just need to keep the ball rolling, you could've spent a couple of minutes talking about this mat or a twig stove etc etc instead of making a pointless video that's not warranted, that's how i feel, please don't take what I have said to heart I'm mearly giving you my opinion.