well not everything we can do in the game is cannon. I don't think the grind actually happens from the lore perspective. If so, how can we kill the bosses so many times? Vorr is an exception.
I know im late but i think xaku before that was 3 frames lost in the void and came back combined together maybe it was a similiar Experiment like albrecht it die with the cavia and so far i know heart of deimos was planned to be release after the New war and that make more sense
The Cavia became incandescent when they resurrected. The folks on the Zariman are also basically resurrected via void stuff. They're made of the Voidshell stuff we can use to customize textures on warframes and stuff. Lotus became Lotus Radiant at her victory over Balas, and then saw MITW and the big void portal that the Zariman closed. Radiant void relics. I wonder if there's a connection or if this is a stretch?
The holdfasts (especially quinn) tells us constantly that we are a kind of light, and in a way i think that's what they are: Reflections; of not just the person but in a way of what they could become. But why? isn't the man in the wall and the void indifferent to our struggles? When it made the deal with us, i suppose, he gave us more than what he or even us knows, of not just compassion, but second chances to other people, and that's what the hole "radiance process" is, a second chance at things discarded, forgotten and unloved.
@@Mute_Magic_Manand It would explain too why we got Qorvex, a radiation based Warframe, as the one made out of murmure stone, the material nearer the idea of the Void and Wally.
I tell you what, that dialogue between fib and tag has made me so emotional each time I hear it, idk what it is but man my heart hurts hearing the voices
I do agree that having high quality animation for these scenes would have been fantastic, but it's clear that DE doesn't really budget to invest a whole lot into these narratives on a cinematic level. They probably could finance it monetarily, they certainly make enough money, but time is probably a bigger issue, and given how poor the animation quality is with the Holdfasts cutscenes, being barely idle animations and vague lip flaps, I figure these frescoes are probably the most artistically interesting option given the restraints in place.
Given that Albrecht never fully understood Voidtongue, the poetic way Albrecht speaks, and other uses of the word "praise" I've heard, I don't really read the line "chanting freakish praise to the one beyond the wall." to mean that they were literally praising Wallace. I interpret that passage to mean that they went in as normal animals, and they came out alive but changed, now intelligent and speaking Wallace's language. I don't doubt that Wallace has its grip on them, especially after their deaths, but I don't think they were giving it their adulation when they first returned.
But... why would he revert to praise? What would make him think they were praising him, if it was just a bunch of nonsense words? I'm not sure about this one...
I think we are in a misunderstanding here, i think what @zestyaardvarks is trying to say is that _"chanting freakish praise to the on beyond the wall"_ Just means "talking like Wally wants them" or "uttering the language of the Void" Albrecht seems to use 'flourish language', not speaking directly about things (in short, the same thing that happens because DE really likes to dance around with words).
When the add the ability to hug the cavia, in the best update, I will hug tagfer and bird-3 every time I see them. Fibonacci on the other hand, will only ever receive one hug from me, and that's only so I can see the cutscene
Yes! His name is Stefan Rudnicki and he also narrates the Ender's Game audiobook. So, if you're interested in the story you *can* hear him talk all night 😁
I immediately liked Tagfer the best, even before I knew the entire Cavia story. I just felt bad for him based on what we got to know during the actual Whispers in The Wall quest
I loved that quest and the fact that the voicelines of the cavia change depending on your syndicate advencement to reflect their degrading state and then recovery
The real prize wasn't the littany of stuff (warframes, weapons, vehicles, mods, shards, endo, credits, arcanes, etc, etc, etc) we've collected along the way. It was (and will be) the hugs we give away. Great video ... just leaving some algorithm fuel.
This is the Warframe I’ve been waiting for ever since we got The War Within. I’m so happy that the plot is finally moving in a coherent, well executed direction again.
All this got delayed because of Covid, if the lockdown didn't happen we probably would've had 1999 by now and probably close to the conclusion of the story line
Hey TheDsIEGE!, I just wanted to express my immense appreciation for your dedication to Warframe lore and your incredible video breakdowns. They're truly exceptional, meticulously crafted, informative, and engaging, making even the densest lore digestible and exciting. The sheer effort and passion you pour into every video shines through, and it's clear you have a deep understanding and love for the Warframe universe. That dedication is seriously inspiring! I'm sticking with you and the Tenno family all the way until the very end of this epic story. Your breakdowns make the journey even more enriching, and I can't wait to see what you explore next. A heartfelt thank you from a fellow lore enthusiast! Keep up the fantastic work, Tenno! 🌺
Hey!!!! Thank you so much for this!!! I appreciate it so much!!! And yes... this one in particular took A LONG time to put together but... I feel like there's a significant group of warframers that like the speculative nature of my videos, so... I'll just keep pumping them out!!!!
Quinn(at the end of the quest AoZ after getting revived): "We changed. Oh, we drew power, but from a very different source. You have noticed it's not just the Reliquary that can work miracles with the Void, yes? I wonder.... do you even know just how brightly you shine? Ballas: And it was not their force of will, not their Void devilry, not their alien darkness... it was something else. It was that somehow, from within the derelict-horror, they had learned a way to see inside an ugly broken thing...and take away its pain." I guess the same thing happened to the Cavia. It was Tenno's power. How and why is still a question.
@@TheDsIEGEive always interrupted the knocking, thanks to CoH, as the void *attempting* to get in. He goes rap tap tap trying to pierce his way in and eventually does. My theory is that since the Tenno is present at each instance of "Rap tap tap" its either Wally exuding influence or our Tenno forcing him in to change things to our desire as part of our deal.
@@cristianbernal8009 THAT MAKES SENSE "I can save them, all of them" what if the deal is still going on? And that's how Cavia and the Holdfasts are alive? EDIT: "but you'll have to want it" now that I think about it, technically whoever is even slightly into the lore will watch the story of the Cavia and truly will want them to live on. And the fact that we're controlling Warframes just like the real Tenno, it makes it seem like we truly are TENNO irl
@@krishh794but that leaves a question this is after Wally gets upset about us not holding up our end of the bargain, so, why would he still hold up his?
@@zeeb2190 we don't know what our end of the bargain is. And he drops in time and time again just to remind us that we owe him. It might be that whatever "our end of the bargain" is, it hasn't happened yet, so he's still holding his own end and waiting for ours
I can't help but wonder if, like the holdfasts, in the moment of their death our 'light' saved them, and brought them back. The Tenno, our Tenno, are canonically extremely compassionate. We bonded with the warframes by taking their emotional pain on ourselves, and I think the Tenno's 'innocent' capacity for love and compassion fueling our void-bonded powers is the 'light' that we have, and what TMITW is... well, testing.
A while ago I had a thought. Albrecht mentioned that the bodies of the Cavia “lay stacked in pyramids around my deserted lab”. This gives a loose implication that they weren’t disposed of by incineration or the like (though that would be the more sanitary option). I’m wondering if these cadavers were, at least partially, a source of biomass for the infestation once it began to consume Deimos. Deimos ain’t the largest solar body, and surely there weren’t a massive amount of Orokin inhabiting it, especially as the Sentients grew close. And yet, in the present the entire moon is consumed and even expanded with the flesh of the Technocyte
I remember a quote when seeing the vessel of the indifference being stopped "The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference" stopping it with a loving/caring hand maybe I could see the void needing to keep them alive to get to Albrecht and maybe even Minn being returned by some void shenanigans inb4 saved by the power of love
I'm getting the sinking feeling that a version of Loid will make a choice in the future that saves the cavia and Albrecht and/or his family while dooming Loid himself...
A man who thought himself close to a god finding out how insignificant he really is compared to one. That's how i would describe this whole arc of Albrecht and the Man in the Wall.
Very true. Makes the lyrics of the NIN song in WF 1999 more meaningful. Your point is also a sub-aspect of WFs overall message: humanities historical struggle to define and see itself. Wally takes the form of the Vitruvian Man, which makes perfect sense with this view.
I need to do a video on just the sanctum and how creepy it is... doing the bounties becomes infinitely more interesting while knowing what's going on there...
This is off subject but I think Javi's story and Alchemy is about to play a huge roll soon, which is why Baro Ki'teer has been bringing so much of his stuff. Amazing stuff though man keep up the good work. Cavia's story is amazing
I think it will too, I'm just wondering to what degree... and i really wish they would have gotten into it more here, aside from the brief and I mean BRIEF references, and the mission that most people won't even pay attention to what's going on, they are being really coy with that and I wonder if they aren't sure how deep in they want to go because of how complex that might get.... I suppose we'll see soon. I'm glad you enjoyed!
I'm not sure about this one. Though I do want to know what's inside those elemental Amphors. Also, when I saw the Alchemy game mode, I didn't think of Lavos. I thought of the weapon modding system instead because it uses the same elemental mixtures. As in, "Is this Alchemy what the weapon mods do with our weapons?"
@@IllusionistsBaneit seems to be, to some degree, especially since when you do an alchemy mission in Duviri, Teshin says to "remember these principles when modifying your weapons". Though, i suppose that could have also been thrown in just as an extended tutorial, since Duviri was briefly a starting option for new accounts
Recently discovered your channel, after much hesitation watched a video on Albrecht Entrati and got stuck with your videos. Exceptionally well done. Unfortunately this video will have to wait a bit, I haven't done anything besides the quest yet. Might have to get going finally, can't call myself a veteran otherwise.
Oh yeah, give it some time, the story of the cavia is fantastic, and the info from the lost notes you can find is well worth the effort of finding it. Then come back and I'll have it all together in one big video for ya!
@@TheDsIEGE I love 100%ing everything, so that's definitely gonna happen. Yes, that includes scanning everything as well. Can't wait! Hoping for the next quest to give us some answers to at least some of our questions.
Really? Thank you for that! I actually reinforces the reasons why I opt to many times keep the full dialogue in my videos. There are so many that just want the story, but if you don't grind the syndicate you'll never see this stuff. That being said... Warframe is in a really good place right now and you should take a few trips into his labs. They are some of the creepiest places in gaming if you ask me. DE NAILED the ambience.
@@TheDsIEGE Yeah the full dialogues really make your videos and theories an immersive experience. Makes me feel immersed in the story despite being away so long, especially when you connect those hidden details. Your videos and direction of the game sure tempt me to come back, but I've just changed and don't make time for mmo type games anymore. I'm really looking forward to where the man in the wall takes the story next and what your analysis on it will be
I feel for all 3 of them. Fibonacci was just trying to survive. Tagfer was justifiably upset at losing someone he loved and being thrusted into "enlightenment." And Bird3's speech hits the feels. Keep up the great work!
Thank you so MUCH!!!! I really appreciate your support!!! This was... probably the first warframe story that actually got me teary eyed from just the dialogue alone. Exceptionally written and voiced... just a masterpiece.
I wouldnt be surprised if us tenno end up befriending the void or maybe helping it chill out. The whole thing with the children is they could see the good inside the bad. Thats how they chilled out their frames to begin with.
One case of reincarnation in warframe is with the zariman crew, in both case us(be mostly tenno, mostly our doppelganger or by our powers combined) just bein near a soul of a person on the brink of death means they can reincarnate as a biblical angel of sort, a creature of realms of spirit but still made solid
A small detail I like is the difference in Fibonacci's attitude between cavia cut scenes. Before he is revealed that he murdered Minn by accident he's quite arrogant when you go to grab missions from him especially if you decide not to do one he chastises you for wasting time. However after Tagfer calls him out for the murder, his whole demeanor changes to that of soft spoken, lacking confidence, self worth, and guilty. For example if you were to go to him to accept a mission he hesitantly asks you if you want to take on tasks and if you don't he just accepts it as if he doesn't have a right to be indignant about not doing a task. After the scene where Tagfer says he can work with him, he balances out not arrogant, but also not lacking self worth.
Tagfer broke my heart and honestly i cant blame himnfor anything. As he said one minute he only existed to live the next he learned what love really was only to have it taken from him not even a second later.
Note: I wrote this 5 mins before the ending of the video and the major part of this got speculated. Seeing as The Man in the Wall has granted us the choice we have taken, to have all timelines but two collapse into reality using all others to realize said possibility, the void probably granted the same privileges to the Cavias since they blatantly stated they would assist us in the search for Albrecht. Seeing as He has obvious difficulty accessing 1999 for yet to be explained reasons (possibly a time nexus which created a point in time which is fixed and any characters and objects involved cannot be changed from the moment said nexus began up to the point of said nexus ending at [23:59:59-xx/xx/1999] for some reason.) Through us accessing (and as such involving ourselves and our void mirror) said nexus it could be reasoned that the Void granted all the Cavia their lives to assist us in helping it access Albrecht. Note thay this does not account for Albrecht telling us that "When the *time* is *right* come and see me.*
Yep! That's the most obvious reason if you ask me. Even with the time is right thing, they'll know as soon as we know... Maybe even sooner if loid gets a message at the sanctum from albrecht or is most likely the one who will decipher the "when" of when the time is right... If he gets there before us, well there you go.
@@TheDsIEGE Absolutely, it would be very interesting to see Fass and Vome, perhaps to some reason even the placement of the Kuva Fortress with it's gigantic amassing of Kuva which has clear ties to the Void stated in multiple quests, be involved in the timing on the *when* and perhaps something with some other in-game time which is yet to be released!
I have another theory for the cavia's revival, Minn healed them. I think she was always with Tagfer, just on the other side, into the void, struggling to find a way to reunite with him or help him. And in the end she discovered an ability similar to our Vazarin Dash that can make allies invulnerable and heal them. The "tapping" around the time of their revival was her crossing dimensions dashing through them, healing them. She was the thing that Loid couldn't point out in the mix of void and anti-void.
Not gonna lie, i took this update for granted. I didnt realize how good this was. Talking animals when i was wanting a narrative like the sacrifice of new war, i was not fond of this update. But hearing this dialog has completely changed my opinion. This has some of the best voice acting in the entire game. The animals all sharing their feelings and existential dread, it makes me feel sorry for them, bringing the storytelling i was looking for. These guys made me feel the same way i felt for Umbra. Except we cant do much to help them. I cant wait to kick whoevers ass is behind all of it, whether its the man in the wall or entrati himself.
Maybe not the best on TH-cam (since what qualifies the "best" in all of TH-cam?) But surely the best in his category and probably the best for all Warframe!
Its a really interesting name, the indifference. I think the ending of the primary quest and the upcoming updates for the internations with the cavia show that the only way to deal with it is to show it compassion.
Because compassion is an emotion that the Man in the Wall doesn't understand. At least that's what the end text of the quest infers. Which begs the question is that because it's some manner of eldritch horror that's been drifting the void for ages by it's lonesome OR is it because it copied Albrecht and by proxy the rest of Orokin society, a society known for it's cruelty?
The Cavia syndicate story is by far the best in Warframe, literally made me not get the archon fusion blueprint at first to get to rank 5 faster to see it's conclusion
I think the Uniqueness isn't the driving factor about whether "deals" are made, I think its about being unique enough as a concept to make the Indifference to take notice. The other Cavia originally sent werent interesting at all so the Indifference didnt notice, instead the void exposure merely killed them. Tagfer and Minn drew the Indifferences attention to all of them in the bell. The Zariman, a colony ship seemingly built to sacrifice its woefully underprepared crew to the Void was also "interesting" enough to garner the attention of the Indifference.
I did not know that we would potentially be able to show affection to the Cavia. I've been wanting to give Tagfer a hug since I first encountered them.
While i understand that albrect didn't really value tagfer and minn and thus sacrificed them my question is why didnt he at least take efforts to make sure the mating pair had at least 1 litter or however many offspring cervulites have at once so that he wouldn't cause a spieces to go completely extinct
Along with the fact of how come no one has brought up that they could probably clone another female cervulite for tagfer cause he honestly deserves one after all the shit he's been through
Alright so... here's the thing. I'm in my mid 40's and have used countless energy supplements, from the highest ranked to the cheapest on the market, and I have to say whatever works for a person is where it's at. I was using gorilla mind products, supposedly one of the best out there, especially health wise and yet... I actually switched to GFuel because for me... It works better. I'm looking to be focused when I work and it does the job. I feel like it's way more about particular body chemistry and not necessarily "the best product by the experts". Maybe GFuel's formulation doesn't work for you but... for me, it really does do the job.
Eternalism explains just about anything we could want to figure out in Warframe, with infinite versions of our own universe being parallel to each of us, essentially each player is their own version of the story, and each of us simultaneously is and isn't "the one" Tenno, and the host of any public game is the host universe. Personally, I like to think of The Indifference as a metaphor for the creative minds at DE, only they know the intentions of the man in the wall, because they ARE the man in the wall, and we're all the void stricken children caught up in the hurricane of a ride that is Warframe. Eternalism makes anything impossible become possible, with infinite time comes an infinite chance for anything and everything to happen, the more time passes without something happening, the more likely it is to become a reality. Time being the key thing I want to point out there, because who's missing fingers and currently bound to the Strands of Khra/time? Yep, you guessed it, the indifference. Things are about to get messy in ways I don't even want to guess at, because there's an infinite chance I could be wrong and right at the same time 😅 I love this shit 😂
Is it possible the Indifference is the way it is due to having a slight imprint of Albrecht due to the initial meeting. Meaning that if he had it first meeting with something innocent as an example. Would the Indifference being completely difference in personality?
It's actually most likely influenced but the one thing it portrays that albrecht really hasn't is a kind of sinister confidence. At no point does it seem out of control or flustered no matter what we do, even when we're supposedly messing up it's plans. if anything it's what I would consider Albrecht's "Id", his unbound desires made manifest...
When he says ‘minds that papa gifted us’ does he believe Albrecht gave them their minds? I thought it was the effect Walley and the Void had on them? Is he actually on our side?
I just thought of something. Why is the Man in The Wall being 'broken' so important. I mean Albrecht disappeared into 1999 yet the MITW still followed, but _How?_ The finger being severed supposedly binds it to the 'Strands of Khra' which is basically trapping it in time, but that doesn't seem to be the case given it's still able to time travel, affect the infinite timelines, and all that. So what is the strands of Khra actually holding him from doing? If when those exposed to the void gain the ability to change themselves in some way, maybe the severed finger is actually shackling the MITW in a totally different way. What if it's trapping it in this twisted form reflecting the reckless pursuit that Albrecht was doing when he unlocked the void. What if the MITW just wants the ability to choose, same as everything else, but it's being denied that choice by Albrecht, due to him hiding of it's missing piece.
What if, up to this point - the thing we're capable of doing - the Tenno - the gifts that the MITW bestows on us through the Void are bargains to get us to release it's imprisonment? Would we lose those gifts if we did? What if it's not "indifferent" on purpose, but it how it does things, what motivates it, and how it operates/must operate as though it is it's own nature? What would we lose if we finally gave it's finger back? Would it take it all back? Or would we keep it, but depending on how it 'leaves' - the Void would go with it, and what we can keep would simply cease to work? Warframes seem to be crippled extensively if the Void is cut off from our world. Likely, the ability change our aesthetics, the means we use to craft our gear, the powers we would wield would likely peter out - as though it were like having batteries for an energy source that doesn't exist anymore? The batteries made for that energy exists, but nothing to store to use for later. ... But, even if we gave it back it's finger - would that be enough to end it's influence? Or would it still require finding Albrecht?
Given the fact they might have been resurrected with the intervention of the man in the wall, this also means Minn could’ve faced the same situation and were ultimately revived.
Absolutely. Here's my fear. The man in the wall uses minn to influence tagfer or really any of the three of them to his advantage. I feel like they would do anything for her.
Adding to what the other comments said. These "colors" must be more than that. I guess not everyone can "see" the void energy. Different factions calling us some version of the word "shiny". Maybe some just see the metallic warframe skin, but actual void energy to people like The Holdfasts. Oh and Kalymos has glowing eyes if that matters 😂 They sure know how to keep me interested lol
Commenting here to confirm something I mentioned on the live premiere of the video: I just had Walley visit me AGAIN (all caught up on main quests) and this time I saw him peeking around the corner by the railjack boarding part of your orbiter. That’s 2 times now after not seeing him for a very long time. He’s always watching
The great void is indifferent...it cares not for the petty quibbles of the living..only that which it can puppeteer and currate into something that truely stares back.
I thought the Cavia rank-up story was goofy and a little dumb (I did not care for much of the voice acting), but as usual, you have presented so much more depth and potential that has me very excited once again!
Not extremely related to the video, but it was always interesting to me how Albretch refered to Wally as "The adversary" as The adversary is a very well know way of talking about Satan, also they both offer deals that dont seem very fair once you look into what you take and what you give, also, how the eyes change when Wally "mimics" a person strikes me as kind of a "possesion" of sorts
A worse idea is that there are more “men in the wall” and every time a person or creature goes into the void, they get copied and a new brother joins the fray So far we’ve seen 2 and heard mention of others Perhaps we are seeing the prelude to a lovecraftian army A new void war in the future.
I'd say the fish chose Green representing it's wish to be "Clean", to "clean the 'blood' on it's 'fins'"... And tbo, I'd bet we'll get to find Min, do the same stuff and it'll turn Blue. That's my bet at least.
Loved the video! I dont know how I feel about all the open questions that each quest leaves. I mean what is the deal we made, and can it even be called a deal when we supposedly brake it and our powers still work? What is the deal with Lotus and MITW? Why does not he ask us the question in plain english that he is perfectly cabaple of speking it a minute later? What is hunhow doing, sitting on eggs? Who put the black soulstone in Errra´s head? How did Erra survive the first time? What/who is the stalker? What happened to Pragasa? Unum? Heart of deimos? Parvos? Zarriman? The finger? Lotus hand? Cavia? And now we have Y2K apocalypse where the computers really brake. I know warframe is a live service game, but I want to live to see come conclusion of the story.
I just realized that eye when you use the railjack there are eyes and that ship that appears in a void hole there are many things that look like that eye you showed in a video There are 3 big yellow eyes and 2 small green eyes in the paradox
So a great evil from a completely different world/era wants to regain his former power by collecting his severed fingers through vessels he manipulates and controls... we're fighting sukuna??
I recently looked at reactions to the warframe cinematics, and a little detail i noticed was in the opening cinematic, it almost looks like a version of the drifter laying the flowers down in front of the warframes. The new war cinematic looks like the same person but in an operator's uniform. Am i grasping for straws? Maybe just a little detail, i noticed.
So... that's the real question. The tenno in awakening is named... Internally at least, get this.... Mara. So... even though the drifter was originally shown to be a man, it's very possible the canon tenno in game is a female, which would also explain DE using the female version of the man in the wall fairly frequently. The question now remains, how did she get to the origin system seemingly before out tenno?
They nailed bird 3, i colored him the same as my parrot, might I say - they have the exact same temper, I think all bird owners - or those owned by birds rather - would agree
Part of me wonders if the void has any similarities to the warp from warhammer. Driven by emotion and a reflection of the real world. Given how horrible the Orokin were as immortal untouchable hedonists getting worse with time similar to the eldar, perhaps the man in the wall is some sort of tangled up entity as a result of orokin cruelty, or an entity that wants to undo the horrors of the orokin, almost like setting time straight from people who played god with time and immortality. If that were the case, Albrecht entering the actual void may have imposed the twisted nature directly into it as some sort of catalyst, almost like in warhammer with the birth of the Chaos God Slannesh when the Eldar owned the universe and filled it with depravity. This is really where my conceptual idea gets hazy. But it does seem to line up similarly with other things we see ingame. I've always wondered of the alignment system in the game. Lotus wants a balance of compassion and strength. Ballas says Tenno can look inside broken things and make them whole again. I wonder if ultimately we're trying to balance the horrors of orokin intertwined with the void and the man in the wall is kind of guiding us in strange ways. There just seems to be a consistent theme of Tenno setting things straight, the void playing with emotion and tenno healing broken things. I especially think this is somewhat loosely related to the story in some capacity after we drove the void back by showing compassion at the end of the questline. I could be off on why but it seems like some of this has to be true.
I think it has many. That being said, Warframe's void is a more compact enemy. Whereas warhammer has all kinds of incredible threats across it's universe... nothing comes close to rivaling the void in the warframe. You could make the argument that wally either is a major god of this universe or... is the only god.
I meant only in function. The idea that the void has either become full of twisted chaos due to orokin cruelty, or another thought I had was its almost like a force of nature trying to undo the works of the orokin. I'm not sure, regardless they've done a great job making the void very mysterious in nature.@@TheDsIEGE
Have you done Ballas cult like organization after his death like what happened to them where are they etc and why Kahl still engages them and we only have bounties is some areas offering Narmer enemies
Man i just want that minn returns somehow from the void and comes back to tagfer :( He really misses her. Please wally, do your void thing and use eternalism on her on something.
hear me out the man in the wall is the character's "shadow self"... the side of the character... of us that we at first despise, silence, shun... fight. But one cant win the fight. One has to reconcile with it and accept it as oneself no lesser than ones conscious side. so the operator comforts the angry shadow with a touch on the face instead of fighting And in such reminds Loid of the necessity of the same They arent mad at each other. They are mad at themselves. the man in the wall will fight and plot against you ... because you dont want it, because you refuse it, because you fear it. Hurt people hurt people and being refused as part of oneself will hurt
"they alchemized" could well be another nod to the occulto-pagan concept of shadow self and its integration and how integrating it instead of fighting it... would allow oneself to have full control. To "command their own color" so to speak in this concept of spirituality... one has to pass through the void to fully comprehend; to be reborn the "indifference" is lonely because the operator (or we, in the spiritual concept) shun it. It wants to be part of whats going on but we fight it instead
I just realised - all the mentioned at the end of the video as possible void entities - all dieed! Albert at the time of experiment. Teno and every one at Zariman at Zariman incident. Alberts dauther from sickness. So at the death void takes ower - and thats how void spils into origin system.
@@TheDsIEGE We know that Zariman Adults are dead. We had rumors about Alberts daughter to be sick. Albert had a suspicions that he did not return from the Void. And We witnessed cavia dying - and returning with new powers (to change color, but still). So it seems that everyone who had void powers were dead or in situation that death is likely.
silly theory here with very little basing, it feels like the quality the indifference looks for is a level of malleability. uniqueness is simply a way to get to that (kinda idk). Going for children and newly awakened minds is a way to get that, but Vor's absolute fidelity to the Grineer, Albrecht's specific fervour for discovery at any cost, and the Zariman's inhabitants absolute want for a new life on Tau all kind of fit the qualifications for those vulnerable to such deals.
I have a deep feeling that ming made deal with Wally so that they can survive. Only she had a name, other had no name but tags. It would be interesting if she is alive and wally keep her as pet or assistant.
Woah wait wait hey. "Praising the one _beyond_ the wall. " Has there ever been a reference to a void entity besides the man _in_ the wall? Is this merely a variation of phrase or hints of something? I don't know why but it brings to mind the Seven, and how we know diddly about there doings, whereabouts, motives, or nature of their Oro. To borrow 40k logic, would their Oro have an equivalent and connected shadow in the Void?
There was dialog by Tagfer in the lab about someone becoming human... I thought it was Min. I've watched many vids no one mentions it. Am I the only one that heard that dialog? Another point the other operator I see in the ship from time to time doesn't look evil...not like yours does loll, I wonder if that is an effect of choosing good evil or balanced in the game play, I choose balanced for most decisions. I guessing you chose good so your void self is evil... just a random thought
Bird 3 might not be the smartest, but he is the wisest.
Certainly is the only one looking forward and not back if nothing else. They all need to take a lesson
Bird is good boi. best boi
Low intelligence high wisdom
@@TheDsIEGE I always thought the 3 Cavia formed that amalgamation of a Gargoyle.
I wonder if that Gargoyle is something the will transform into.
Bird 3 is what people would say emotionally intelligent
I still can't believe the Cavia effectively gave us a canonical explanation for fashionframe.
Part of what makes DE good devs. Give them enough time and they're figure out lore for anything.
Tagfer is a savage. Idk why, but "forever kissing the fist that beats you" makes my spine shiver.
Farmed extra grotesque splinter JUST to get tagfer's glyph, I love that character
It does make a lore reason why we can change the colors of our warframes, weapons and etc.
Good point!!!
well not everything we can do in the game is cannon. I don't think the grind actually happens from the lore perspective. If so, how can we kill the bosses so many times? Vorr is an exception.
I put that down to some kind of spray paint mechanism in the arsenal.
@@Secretcodrin Hek too since he just leaves his mecha when you take him down
I know im late but i think xaku before that was 3 frames lost in the void and came back combined together maybe it was a similiar Experiment like albrecht it die with the cavia and so far i know heart of deimos was planned to be release after the New war and that make more sense
The Cavia became incandescent when they resurrected.
The folks on the Zariman are also basically resurrected via void stuff. They're made of the Voidshell stuff we can use to customize textures on warframes and stuff.
Lotus became Lotus Radiant at her victory over Balas, and then saw MITW and the big void portal that the Zariman closed.
Radiant void relics. I wonder if there's a connection or if this is a stretch?
Good catch! I think you have something there!
I had a thought that void energy was close to how radiation worked, how it poisoned things. It would explain the radiance of things
The holdfasts (especially quinn) tells us constantly that we are a kind of light, and in a way i think that's what they are: Reflections; of not just the person but in a way of what they could become. But why? isn't the man in the wall and the void indifferent to our struggles? When it made the deal with us, i suppose, he gave us more than what he or even us knows, of not just compassion, but second chances to other people, and that's what the hole "radiance process" is, a second chance at things discarded, forgotten and unloved.
@@Mute_Magic_Manand It would explain too why we got Qorvex, a radiation based Warframe, as the one made out of murmure stone, the material nearer the idea of the Void and Wally.
@@luizfma3244but a second chance from what, or who?
I tell you what, that dialogue between fib and tag has made me so emotional each time I hear it, idk what it is but man my heart hurts hearing the voices
You and me both. This story in my opinion is even better than the one we got with whispers. Tear Jerking stuff with immaculate acting.
Bird 3's speech makes me emotional every time
I wish they animated all this cavia stuff. It would of made things so much better.
I definitely agree. Heck this story is better than whispers!
I do agree that having high quality animation for these scenes would have been fantastic, but it's clear that DE doesn't really budget to invest a whole lot into these narratives on a cinematic level. They probably could finance it monetarily, they certainly make enough money, but time is probably a bigger issue, and given how poor the animation quality is with the Holdfasts cutscenes, being barely idle animations and vague lip flaps, I figure these frescoes are probably the most artistically interesting option given the restraints in place.
Out of all the syndicates in warfame the Cavia are my favorite.
They have the most character by far. I feel something for these creatures whereas I look at pretty much all the other vendors as just that, vendors...
I really like the Zariman vendors... Cavia come in 2nd 😊
Cavia and SU/ventkids are mine, although the zariman group are close behind
Given that Albrecht never fully understood Voidtongue, the poetic way Albrecht speaks, and other uses of the word "praise" I've heard, I don't really read the line "chanting freakish praise to the one beyond the wall." to mean that they were literally praising Wallace. I interpret that passage to mean that they went in as normal animals, and they came out alive but changed, now intelligent and speaking Wallace's language. I don't doubt that Wallace has its grip on them, especially after their deaths, but I don't think they were giving it their adulation when they first returned.
Though the same thing, "chanting praise" probably just means " speaking of that", like speaking of the void
But... why would he revert to praise? What would make him think they were praising him, if it was just a bunch of nonsense words? I'm not sure about this one...
I think we are in a misunderstanding here, i think what @zestyaardvarks is trying to say is that _"chanting freakish praise to the on beyond the wall"_
Just means "talking like Wally wants them" or "uttering the language of the Void"
Albrecht seems to use 'flourish language', not speaking directly about things (in short, the same thing that happens because DE really likes to dance around with words).
When the add the ability to hug the cavia, in the best update, I will hug tagfer and bird-3 every time I see them. Fibonacci on the other hand, will only ever receive one hug from me, and that's only so I can see the cutscene
Anyone else think the voice actor for albrecht is the next Morgan freeman 😅 could listen to him talk all night aha
Yes! His name is Stefan Rudnicki and he also narrates the Ender's Game audiobook. So, if you're interested in the story you *can* hear him talk all night 😁
I immediately liked Tagfer the best, even before I knew the entire Cavia story. I just felt bad for him based on what we got to know during the actual Whispers in The Wall quest
Yet still..*WE END AS WE BEGAN*
I love that line!
*wally void drug noises*
I loved that quest and the fact that the voicelines of the cavia change depending on your syndicate advencement to reflect their degrading state and then recovery
The real prize wasn't the littany of stuff (warframes, weapons, vehicles, mods, shards, endo, credits, arcanes, etc, etc, etc) we've collected along the way. It was (and will be) the hugs we give away.
Great video ... just leaving some algorithm fuel.
Thank you and I agree! to the hugs we are to give!
This is the Warframe I’ve been waiting for ever since we got The War Within. I’m so happy that the plot is finally moving in a coherent, well executed direction again.
All this got delayed because of Covid, if the lockdown didn't happen we probably would've had 1999 by now and probably close to the conclusion of the story line
Hey TheDsIEGE!, I just wanted to express my immense appreciation for your dedication to Warframe lore and your incredible video breakdowns. They're truly exceptional, meticulously crafted, informative, and engaging, making even the densest lore digestible and exciting.
The sheer effort and passion you pour into every video shines through, and it's clear you have a deep understanding and love for the Warframe universe. That dedication is seriously inspiring!
I'm sticking with you and the Tenno family all the way until the very end of this epic story. Your breakdowns make the journey even more enriching, and I can't wait to see what you explore next.
A heartfelt thank you from a fellow lore enthusiast! Keep up the fantastic work, Tenno! 🌺
Hey!!!! Thank you so much for this!!! I appreciate it so much!!! And yes... this one in particular took A LONG time to put together but... I feel like there's a significant group of warframers that like the speculative nature of my videos, so... I'll just keep pumping them out!!!!
Quinn(at the end of the quest AoZ after getting revived): "We changed. Oh, we drew power, but from a very different source. You have noticed it's not just the Reliquary that can work miracles with the Void, yes? I wonder.... do you even know just how brightly you shine?
Ballas: And it was not their force of will, not their Void devilry, not their alien darkness... it was something else. It was that somehow, from within the derelict-horror, they had learned a way to see inside an ugly broken thing...and take away its pain."
I guess the same thing happened to the Cavia. It was Tenno's power. How and why is still a question.
but then why the knocking?
@@TheDsIEGEive always interrupted the knocking, thanks to CoH, as the void *attempting* to get in. He goes rap tap tap trying to pierce his way in and eventually does. My theory is that since the Tenno is present at each instance of "Rap tap tap" its either Wally exuding influence or our Tenno forcing him in to change things to our desire as part of our deal.
@@cristianbernal8009 THAT MAKES SENSE "I can save them, all of them" what if the deal is still going on? And that's how Cavia and the Holdfasts are alive?
EDIT: "but you'll have to want it" now that I think about it, technically whoever is even slightly into the lore will watch the story of the Cavia and truly will want them to live on. And the fact that we're controlling Warframes just like the real Tenno, it makes it seem like we truly are TENNO irl
@@krishh794but that leaves a question this is after Wally gets upset about us not holding up our end of the bargain, so, why would he still hold up his?
@@zeeb2190 we don't know what our end of the bargain is. And he drops in time and time again just to remind us that we owe him. It might be that whatever "our end of the bargain" is, it hasn't happened yet, so he's still holding his own end and waiting for ours
I can't help but wonder if, like the holdfasts, in the moment of their death our 'light' saved them, and brought them back.
The Tenno, our Tenno, are canonically extremely compassionate.
We bonded with the warframes by taking their emotional pain on ourselves, and I think the Tenno's 'innocent' capacity for love and compassion fueling our void-bonded powers is the 'light' that we have, and what TMITW is... well, testing.
I agree with this. It's something entrati doesn't understand thus the man in the wall having issues with the concept as well...
A while ago I had a thought. Albrecht mentioned that the bodies of the Cavia “lay stacked in pyramids around my deserted lab”. This gives a loose implication that they weren’t disposed of by incineration or the like (though that would be the more sanitary option). I’m wondering if these cadavers were, at least partially, a source of biomass for the infestation once it began to consume Deimos. Deimos ain’t the largest solar body, and surely there weren’t a massive amount of Orokin inhabiting it, especially as the Sentients grew close. And yet, in the present the entire moon is consumed and even expanded with the flesh of the Technocyte
I remember a quote when seeing the vessel of the indifference being stopped "The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference" stopping it with a loving/caring hand maybe
I could see the void needing to keep them alive to get to Albrecht and maybe even Minn being returned by some void shenanigans inb4 saved by the power of love
I'm getting the sinking feeling that a version of Loid will make a choice in the future that saves the cavia and Albrecht and/or his family while dooming Loid himself...
A man who thought himself close to a god finding out how insignificant he really is compared to one.
That's how i would describe this whole arc of Albrecht and the Man in the Wall.
Very true. Makes the lyrics of the NIN song in WF 1999 more meaningful. Your point is also a sub-aspect of WFs overall message: humanities historical struggle to define and see itself. Wally takes the form of the Vitruvian Man, which makes perfect sense with this view.
@@inglebear84 unrelated but I love NIN
@@Cewdipie absolutely. Need a pre/post apocalyptic vibe that’s dark and foreboding that still gets you pumped for the gym? NIN
I love understanding warframe better while grinding lol
Same
I need to do a video on just the sanctum and how creepy it is... doing the bounties becomes infinitely more interesting while knowing what's going on there...
@@TheDsIEGE i think it would be sick if we get glimpses of orokin architecture in the past. Maybe even 1999
the standing cutscenes blew me away. i could never have expected that after the joke that was the zariman rankups
This is off subject but I think Javi's story and Alchemy is about to play a huge roll soon, which is why Baro Ki'teer has been bringing so much of his stuff.
Amazing stuff though man keep up the good work. Cavia's story is amazing
I think it will too, I'm just wondering to what degree... and i really wish they would have gotten into it more here, aside from the brief and I mean BRIEF references, and the mission that most people won't even pay attention to what's going on, they are being really coy with that and I wonder if they aren't sure how deep in they want to go because of how complex that might get.... I suppose we'll see soon. I'm glad you enjoyed!
They better bring some love for lavos with this 🙏
Make his prime themed after the entrati alchemy contraption even
I'm not sure about this one. Though I do want to know what's inside those elemental Amphors.
Also, when I saw the Alchemy game mode, I didn't think of Lavos. I thought of the weapon modding system instead because it uses the same elemental mixtures. As in, "Is this Alchemy what the weapon mods do with our weapons?"
@@IllusionistsBaneit seems to be, to some degree, especially since when you do an alchemy mission in Duviri, Teshin says to "remember these principles when modifying your weapons". Though, i suppose that could have also been thrown in just as an extended tutorial, since Duviri was briefly a starting option for new accounts
Recently discovered your channel, after much hesitation watched a video on Albrecht Entrati and got stuck with your videos. Exceptionally well done. Unfortunately this video will have to wait a bit, I haven't done anything besides the quest yet. Might have to get going finally, can't call myself a veteran otherwise.
Oh yeah, give it some time, the story of the cavia is fantastic, and the info from the lost notes you can find is well worth the effort of finding it. Then come back and I'll have it all together in one big video for ya!
@@TheDsIEGE I love 100%ing everything, so that's definitely gonna happen. Yes, that includes scanning everything as well. Can't wait! Hoping for the next quest to give us some answers to at least some of our questions.
I haven't played warframe in quite a while, but never miss your videos, great one as always
Really? Thank you for that! I actually reinforces the reasons why I opt to many times keep the full dialogue in my videos. There are so many that just want the story, but if you don't grind the syndicate you'll never see this stuff. That being said... Warframe is in a really good place right now and you should take a few trips into his labs. They are some of the creepiest places in gaming if you ask me. DE NAILED the ambience.
@@TheDsIEGE Yeah the full dialogues really make your videos and theories an immersive experience. Makes me feel immersed in the story despite being away so long, especially when you connect those hidden details. Your videos and direction of the game sure tempt me to come back, but I've just changed and don't make time for mmo type games anymore. I'm really looking forward to where the man in the wall takes the story next and what your analysis on it will be
Imagine a special interaction with Yareli and Fibonacci where she gets inside his tank and personally hugs him
I feel for all 3 of them.
Fibonacci was just trying to survive.
Tagfer was justifiably upset at losing someone he loved and being thrusted into "enlightenment."
And Bird3's speech hits the feels.
Keep up the great work!
Thank you so MUCH!!!! I really appreciate your support!!! This was... probably the first warframe story that actually got me teary eyed from just the dialogue alone. Exceptionally written and voiced... just a masterpiece.
I wouldnt be surprised if us tenno end up befriending the void or maybe helping it chill out. The whole thing with the children is they could see the good inside the bad. Thats how they chilled out their frames to begin with.
One case of reincarnation in warframe is with the zariman crew, in both case us(be mostly tenno, mostly our doppelganger or by our powers combined) just bein near a soul of a person on the brink of death means they can reincarnate as a biblical angel of sort, a creature of realms of spirit but still made solid
A small detail I like is the difference in Fibonacci's attitude between cavia cut scenes. Before he is revealed that he murdered Minn by accident he's quite arrogant when you go to grab missions from him especially if you decide not to do one he chastises you for wasting time. However after Tagfer calls him out for the murder, his whole demeanor changes to that of soft spoken, lacking confidence, self worth, and guilty. For example if you were to go to him to accept a mission he hesitantly asks you if you want to take on tasks and if you don't he just accepts it as if he doesn't have a right to be indignant about not doing a task. After the scene where Tagfer says he can work with him, he balances out not arrogant, but also not lacking self worth.
Somehow, DE made a canon explanation for changing colors for fashion.
Great video but I absolutely can’t wait for the somachords. The music from this update is absolutely phenomenal. Super ethereal
Me too... You don't know how much easier it is to utilize the music from the orbiter for my videos!!!!
Tagfer broke my heart and honestly i cant blame himnfor anything. As he said one minute he only existed to live the next he learned what love really was only to have it taken from him not even a second later.
Note: I wrote this 5 mins before the ending of the video and the major part of this got speculated.
Seeing as The Man in the Wall has granted us the choice we have taken, to have all timelines but two collapse into reality using all others to realize said possibility, the void probably granted the same privileges to the Cavias since they blatantly stated they would assist us in the search for Albrecht. Seeing as He has obvious difficulty accessing 1999 for yet to be explained reasons (possibly a time nexus which created a point in time which is fixed and any characters and objects involved cannot be changed from the moment said nexus began up to the point of said nexus ending at [23:59:59-xx/xx/1999] for some reason.) Through us accessing (and as such involving ourselves and our void mirror) said nexus it could be reasoned that the Void granted all the Cavia their lives to assist us in helping it access Albrecht.
Note thay this does not account for Albrecht telling us that "When the *time* is *right* come and see me.*
Yep! That's the most obvious reason if you ask me. Even with the time is right thing, they'll know as soon as we know... Maybe even sooner if loid gets a message at the sanctum from albrecht or is most likely the one who will decipher the "when" of when the time is right... If he gets there before us, well there you go.
@@TheDsIEGE Absolutely, it would be very interesting to see Fass and Vome, perhaps to some reason even the placement of the Kuva Fortress with it's gigantic amassing of Kuva which has clear ties to the Void stated in multiple quests, be involved in the timing on the *when* and perhaps something with some other in-game time which is yet to be released!
I have another theory for the cavia's revival, Minn healed them. I think she was always with Tagfer, just on the other side, into the void, struggling to find a way to reunite with him or help him.
And in the end she discovered an ability similar to our Vazarin Dash that can make allies invulnerable and heal them.
The "tapping" around the time of their revival was her crossing dimensions dashing through them, healing them. She was the thing that Loid couldn't point out in the mix of void and anti-void.
And the legend drops another light throwing banger lore video
Not gonna lie, i took this update for granted. I didnt realize how good this was. Talking animals when i was wanting a narrative like the sacrifice of new war, i was not fond of this update. But hearing this dialog has completely changed my opinion. This has some of the best voice acting in the entire game. The animals all sharing their feelings and existential dread, it makes me feel sorry for them, bringing the storytelling i was looking for. These guys made me feel the same way i felt for Umbra. Except we cant do much to help them. I cant wait to kick whoevers ass is behind all of it, whether its the man in the wall or entrati himself.
I never anticipated it to be this good either.... easily one of my favorite in universe stories...
Best channel on yt for me
Thank you!!!!
I agree. The narration style is just so good it makes a great thing to listen to in the background
It’s quickly become my favourite warframe channel
Maybe not the best on TH-cam (since what qualifies the "best" in all of TH-cam?) But surely the best in his category and probably the best for all Warframe!
@@darklion98 you missed the for me
Its a really interesting name, the indifference. I think the ending of the primary quest and the upcoming updates for the internations with the cavia show that the only way to deal with it is to show it compassion.
Because compassion is an emotion that the Man in the Wall doesn't understand. At least that's what the end text of the quest infers. Which begs the question is that because it's some manner of eldritch horror that's been drifting the void for ages by it's lonesome OR is it because it copied Albrecht and by proxy the rest of Orokin society, a society known for it's cruelty?
I enjoyed listening to this while I played. Thanks m8 and keep well.
Thank you for checking it out!!!
Finally, I can listen to this wonderful video.
The Cavia syndicate story is by far the best in Warframe, literally made me not get the archon fusion blueprint at first to get to rank 5 faster to see it's conclusion
ME TOO! I've never grinded a syndicate like this time!
I think the Uniqueness isn't the driving factor about whether "deals" are made, I think its about being unique enough as a concept to make the Indifference to take notice.
The other Cavia originally sent werent interesting at all so the Indifference didnt notice, instead the void exposure merely killed them.
Tagfer and Minn drew the Indifferences attention to all of them in the bell.
The Zariman, a colony ship seemingly built to sacrifice its woefully underprepared crew to the Void was also "interesting" enough to garner the attention of the Indifference.
I really Hope to see Tagfer and Minn reunite
I love that scene as well.
Definitely makes following warframe lore a rewarding thing.
Protect Bird 3 at all costs. He is the goodest of bois.
I think “chanting freakish praise” is used in the same sense as the expression “talking mad shit.”
Love the video great job
Oh Baro, not you too!
Oh yes!!!
I love this channel. Thank you bro.
I did not know that we would potentially be able to show affection to the Cavia. I've been wanting to give Tagfer a hug since I first encountered them.
While i understand that albrect didn't really value tagfer and minn and thus sacrificed them my question is why didnt he at least take efforts to make sure the mating pair had at least 1 litter or however many offspring cervulites have at once so that he wouldn't cause a spieces to go completely extinct
Along with the fact of how come no one has brought up that they could probably clone another female cervulite for tagfer cause he honestly deserves one after all the shit he's been through
Probably viewing it as reducing their uniqueness otherwise he'd have cloned his cat
If the cavia were replaced then they're still out there. Hell. I think minn is still out there and we gotta find her sevagoth style.
They could be dead too. Eternalism and all...
Another excellent vid dude
the positive effects of g fuel is greatly overstated
Alright so... here's the thing. I'm in my mid 40's and have used countless energy supplements, from the highest ranked to the cheapest on the market, and I have to say whatever works for a person is where it's at. I was using gorilla mind products, supposedly one of the best out there, especially health wise and yet... I actually switched to GFuel because for me... It works better. I'm looking to be focused when I work and it does the job. I feel like it's way more about particular body chemistry and not necessarily "the best product by the experts". Maybe GFuel's formulation doesn't work for you but... for me, it really does do the job.
Eternalism explains just about anything we could want to figure out in Warframe, with infinite versions of our own universe being parallel to each of us, essentially each player is their own version of the story, and each of us simultaneously is and isn't "the one" Tenno, and the host of any public game is the host universe.
Personally, I like to think of The Indifference as a metaphor for the creative minds at DE, only they know the intentions of the man in the wall, because they ARE the man in the wall, and we're all the void stricken children caught up in the hurricane of a ride that is Warframe.
Eternalism makes anything impossible become possible, with infinite time comes an infinite chance for anything and everything to happen, the more time passes without something happening, the more likely it is to become a reality. Time being the key thing I want to point out there, because who's missing fingers and currently bound to the Strands of Khra/time? Yep, you guessed it, the indifference.
Things are about to get messy in ways I don't even want to guess at, because there's an infinite chance I could be wrong and right at the same time 😅 I love this shit 😂
Is it possible the Indifference is the way it is due to having a slight imprint of Albrecht due to the initial meeting. Meaning that if he had it first meeting with something innocent as an example. Would the Indifference being completely difference in personality?
It's actually most likely influenced but the one thing it portrays that albrecht really hasn't is a kind of sinister confidence. At no point does it seem out of control or flustered no matter what we do, even when we're supposedly messing up it's plans. if anything it's what I would consider Albrecht's "Id", his unbound desires made manifest...
When he says ‘minds that papa gifted us’ does he believe Albrecht gave them their minds? I thought it was the effect Walley and the Void had on them? Is he actually on our side?
I just thought of something. Why is the Man in The Wall being 'broken' so important. I mean Albrecht disappeared into 1999 yet the MITW still followed, but _How?_ The finger being severed supposedly binds it to the 'Strands of Khra' which is basically trapping it in time, but that doesn't seem to be the case given it's still able to time travel, affect the infinite timelines, and all that. So what is the strands of Khra actually holding him from doing?
If when those exposed to the void gain the ability to change themselves in some way, maybe the severed finger is actually shackling the MITW in a totally different way. What if it's trapping it in this twisted form reflecting the reckless pursuit that Albrecht was doing when he unlocked the void. What if the MITW just wants the ability to choose, same as everything else, but it's being denied that choice by Albrecht, due to him hiding of it's missing piece.
What if, up to this point - the thing we're capable of doing - the Tenno - the gifts that the MITW bestows on us through the Void are bargains to get us to release it's imprisonment? Would we lose those gifts if we did?
What if it's not "indifferent" on purpose, but it how it does things, what motivates it, and how it operates/must operate as though it is it's own nature?
What would we lose if we finally gave it's finger back? Would it take it all back? Or would we keep it, but depending on how it 'leaves' - the Void would go with it, and what we can keep would simply cease to work?
Warframes seem to be crippled extensively if the Void is cut off from our world. Likely, the ability change our aesthetics, the means we use to craft our gear, the powers we would wield would likely peter out - as though it were like having batteries for an energy source that doesn't exist anymore? The batteries made for that energy exists, but nothing to store to use for later.
... But, even if we gave it back it's finger - would that be enough to end it's influence? Or would it still require finding Albrecht?
Given the fact they might have been resurrected with the intervention of the man in the wall, this also means Minn could’ve faced the same situation and were ultimately revived.
Absolutely. Here's my fear. The man in the wall uses minn to influence tagfer or really any of the three of them to his advantage. I feel like they would do anything for her.
Adding to what the other comments said. These "colors" must be more than that. I guess not everyone can "see" the void energy.
Different factions calling us some version of the word "shiny". Maybe some just see the metallic warframe skin, but actual void energy to people like The Holdfasts.
Oh and Kalymos has glowing eyes if that matters 😂
They sure know how to keep me interested lol
Came back to finish watching this a second time and it dropped me at 27:40 ish and did the Hey Kiddo bit.
Commenting here to confirm something I mentioned on the live premiere of the video: I just had Walley visit me AGAIN (all caught up on main quests) and this time I saw him peeking around the corner by the railjack boarding part of your orbiter. That’s 2 times now after not seeing him for a very long time. He’s always watching
The great void is indifferent...it cares not for the petty quibbles of the living..only that which it can puppeteer and currate into something that truely stares back.
Omg it took me this many videos to search that cavia was a name for guinea pig
That's what I'm here for!
I thought the Cavia rank-up story was goofy and a little dumb (I did not care for much of the voice acting), but as usual, you have presented so much more depth and potential that has me very excited once again!
Not extremely related to the video, but it was always interesting to me how Albretch refered to Wally as "The adversary" as The adversary is a very well know way of talking about Satan, also they both offer deals that dont seem very fair once you look into what you take and what you give, also, how the eyes change when Wally "mimics" a person strikes me as kind of a "possesion" of sorts
Great video!
Thank you!!!
A worse idea is that there are more “men in the wall” and every time a person or creature goes into the void, they get copied and a new brother joins the fray
So far we’ve seen 2 and heard mention of others
Perhaps we are seeing the prelude to a lovecraftian army
A new void war in the future.
I'd say the fish chose Green representing it's wish to be "Clean", to "clean the 'blood' on it's 'fins'"...
And tbo, I'd bet we'll get to find Min, do the same stuff and it'll turn Blue. That's my bet at least.
Loved the video!
I dont know how I feel about all the open questions that each quest leaves. I mean what is the deal we made, and can it even be called a deal when we supposedly brake it and our powers still work? What is the deal with Lotus and MITW? Why does not he ask us the question in plain english that he is perfectly cabaple of speking it a minute later? What is hunhow doing, sitting on eggs? Who put the black soulstone in Errra´s head? How did Erra survive the first time? What/who is the stalker? What happened to Pragasa? Unum? Heart of deimos? Parvos? Zarriman? The finger? Lotus hand? Cavia?
And now we have Y2K apocalypse where the computers really brake. I know warframe is a live service game, but I want to live to see come conclusion of the story.
I just realized that eye when you use the railjack there are eyes and that ship that appears in a void hole there are many things that look like that eye you showed in a video
There are 3 big yellow eyes and 2 small green eyes in the paradox
So a great evil from a completely different world/era wants to regain his former power by collecting his severed fingers through vessels he manipulates and controls... we're fighting sukuna??
I recently looked at reactions to the warframe cinematics, and a little detail i noticed was in the opening cinematic, it almost looks like a version of the drifter laying the flowers down in front of the warframes. The new war cinematic looks like the same person but in an operator's uniform. Am i grasping for straws? Maybe just a little detail, i noticed.
So... that's the real question. The tenno in awakening is named... Internally at least, get this.... Mara. So... even though the drifter was originally shown to be a man, it's very possible the canon tenno in game is a female, which would also explain DE using the female version of the man in the wall fairly frequently. The question now remains, how did she get to the origin system seemingly before out tenno?
Another upload. This is the way.
This one was especially long to finish but... quite fun. I hope you enjoyed it!
Love your videos siege
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They nailed bird 3, i colored him the same as my parrot, might I say - they have the exact same temper, I think all bird owners - or those owned by birds rather - would agree
Part of me wonders if the void has any similarities to the warp from warhammer. Driven by emotion and a reflection of the real world. Given how horrible the Orokin were as immortal untouchable hedonists getting worse with time similar to the eldar, perhaps the man in the wall is some sort of tangled up entity as a result of orokin cruelty, or an entity that wants to undo the horrors of the orokin, almost like setting time straight from people who played god with time and immortality. If that were the case, Albrecht entering the actual void may have imposed the twisted nature directly into it as some sort of catalyst, almost like in warhammer with the birth of the Chaos God Slannesh when the Eldar owned the universe and filled it with depravity.
This is really where my conceptual idea gets hazy. But it does seem to line up similarly with other things we see ingame.
I've always wondered of the alignment system in the game. Lotus wants a balance of compassion and strength. Ballas says Tenno can look inside broken things and make them whole again. I wonder if ultimately we're trying to balance the horrors of orokin intertwined with the void and the man in the wall is kind of guiding us in strange ways.
There just seems to be a consistent theme of Tenno setting things straight, the void playing with emotion and tenno healing broken things. I especially think this is somewhat loosely related to the story in some capacity after we drove the void back by showing compassion at the end of the questline. I could be off on why but it seems like some of this has to be true.
I think it has many. That being said, Warframe's void is a more compact enemy. Whereas warhammer has all kinds of incredible threats across it's universe... nothing comes close to rivaling the void in the warframe. You could make the argument that wally either is a major god of this universe or... is the only god.
I meant only in function. The idea that the void has either become full of twisted chaos due to orokin cruelty, or another thought I had was its almost like a force of nature trying to undo the works of the orokin.
I'm not sure, regardless they've done a great job making the void very mysterious in nature.@@TheDsIEGE
it is that sit here in rithing pain and agony
Have you done Ballas cult like organization after his death like what happened to them where are they etc and why Kahl still engages them and we only have bounties is some areas offering Narmer enemies
I dont understand how the fish coughs when... hes underwater.
Obviously he's drowning
Man i just want that minn returns somehow from the void and comes back to tagfer :(
He really misses her.
Please wally, do your void thing and use eternalism on her on something.
Well if he needs a way to entice tagfer to betray us, wally certainly has an option, doesn't he?
If Minn comes back. That for sure means the Cavia (or just Tagfer) made a deal with MITW...
hear me out
the man in the wall is the character's "shadow self"... the side of the character... of us that we at first despise, silence, shun... fight. But one cant win the fight.
One has to reconcile with it and accept it as oneself no lesser than ones conscious side.
so the operator comforts the angry shadow with a touch on the face instead of fighting
And in such reminds Loid of the necessity of the same
They arent mad at each other. They are mad at themselves.
the man in the wall will fight and plot against you ... because you dont want it, because you refuse it, because you fear it. Hurt people hurt people and being refused as part of oneself will hurt
"they alchemized" could well be another nod to the occulto-pagan concept of shadow self and its integration and how integrating it instead of fighting it... would allow oneself to have full control. To "command their own color" so to speak
in this concept of spirituality... one has to pass through the void to fully comprehend; to be reborn
the "indifference" is lonely because the operator (or we, in the spiritual concept) shun it. It wants to be part of whats going on but we fight it instead
4 in the morning, listening to warframe lore. Good choices.
Nice long vid for you too, I like long ones for gaming so I don't have to look for something else so frequently!
@@TheDsIEGE Same, ive recently been binging x00 days playthroughs of stardew valley. I can recommend Emmalution. Lovely vids, like yours :D
I just realised - all the mentioned at the end of the video as possible void entities - all dieed! Albert at the time of experiment. Teno and every one at Zariman at Zariman incident. Alberts dauther from sickness. So at the death void takes ower - and thats how void spils into origin system.
I've heard this rumor before. Tell me why you believe the tenno children died. Is it because of the cavia story or is there more to this?
@@TheDsIEGE We know that Zariman Adults are dead. We had rumors about Alberts daughter to be sick. Albert had a suspicions that he did not return from the Void. And We witnessed cavia dying - and returning with new powers (to change color, but still). So it seems that everyone who had void powers were dead or in situation that death is likely.
we need an event to rescue minn
silly theory here with very little basing, it feels like the quality the indifference looks for is a level of malleability. uniqueness is simply a way to get to that (kinda idk). Going for children and newly awakened minds is a way to get that, but Vor's absolute fidelity to the Grineer, Albrecht's specific fervour for discovery at any cost, and the Zariman's inhabitants absolute want for a new life on Tau all kind of fit the qualifications for those vulnerable to such deals.
Tagfor is seing chosts... DO you think he made a deal?
Maybe... Maybe one he doesn't yet remember. Sound familiar?
15:28 bruh I did very similar brushing to this
52:55 on top of that question about them: are we still we after the new war?
I have a deep feeling that ming made deal with Wally so that they can survive. Only she had a name, other had no name but tags.
It would be interesting if she is alive and wally keep her as pet or assistant.
That's VERY possible...
I keep fixating on the term "We End As We Began". It HAS to be important somehow.
Kuva flavoured gfuel
That would be amazing... Or even Oro Inspired...
Bird 3 is the most inspired name ever
It's the most name I've ever seen!
After what Tagfer said I'm curious if the entity is really indifferent or just so clumsy and inexperienced that it appears that way.
Woah wait wait hey. "Praising the one _beyond_ the wall. "
Has there ever been a reference to a void entity besides the man _in_ the wall? Is this merely a variation of phrase or hints of something?
I don't know why but it brings to mind the Seven, and how we know diddly about there doings, whereabouts, motives, or nature of their Oro. To borrow 40k logic, would their Oro have an equivalent and connected shadow in the Void?
There was dialog by Tagfer in the lab about someone becoming human... I thought it was Min. I've watched many vids no one mentions it. Am I the only one that heard that dialog? Another point the other operator I see in the ship from time to time doesn't look evil...not like yours does loll, I wonder if that is an effect of choosing good evil or balanced in the game play, I choose balanced for most decisions. I guessing you chose good so your void self is evil... just a random thought