I great video really would’ve helped me out if you would have shown exactly how to use the eight out wire wire. The picture had me excited. I thought I was gonna finally learn how to connect mine up. I have all the components. I’m sure it would be a long video but a lot of people want to learn that. But I am subscribe to your channel. Good luck on your next adventure.
That’s literally the best case scenario for the x. However, you could also use an audio interface with whatever amount of outs you wish in software and standalone modes via usb. Ive downgraded to a live II from the X a few years ago just for the portability. I’ll use a audient evo for outs into my tascam model 16 when I want to get fonky. Altru, shoutouts to you my man. Got me wanting to watch music production videos again.. Give me that vintage utube beatmaking vibe the game is missing.
Thanks fam. How's the input latency with the Audient? Are you able to record audio tracks into the MPC without having small gaps at the beginning of the audio file? Its probably less of an issue if you only sample and chop, but I tend to record audio tracks and resample through pedals. Check this video for context: th-cam.com/video/n6gi4K9kw5w/w-d-xo.htmlsi=EjNP0VBN5ruWXhx3
I've been separating sounds off my MPC since I bought the MPC2000 in '97 with 8 outputs. I still have it along with another fully loaded MPC2000. I do have the MPC One as well only because I bought it for dirt cheap and to use a newer MPC. The MPC X will soon be bought specifically for all of it's audio outputs and more MIDI connections. And congrats getting the X for cheap. That is always a great brag. Lol. 👍👍👍👍👍
Appreciate you going into the X in depth. Have you noticed a difference in outputs 1-4 vs 5-8? Given that the dynamic range is different on these outs, im curious to see what your observations are. 👊🏻💯
I ended up buying an interface for my live so I could get the individual outs. I have 10 outputs with my interface. All for the same reasons you mentioned.
@Altruwest I got the topping e8x8 and over the adat - the Audient evo sp8 for 16 total outputs. I plan to test both. I typically only use 8 channels but may do stereo so. I have it as an option. I’m running those into different preamps and into my ghost console.
I got the x se because it’s my first and I’m building up. Don’t see myself having the two mpc machines. I went with the future proof option . I don’t get into the sound debate. It is what it is!
I agree. I debated buying the xse. I do love it but the studio 2 I have does the same thing minus the audio converters. I think that’s why I’m leaning towards the one plus to go along with the 5000 in the studio permanently. It really is more about how you want to use things and what works for you.
on the mpc one you can access the individual outs by connecting a class compliant usb audio interface directly to it.. ihave tested this using my MIDAS MR18 and it works like a charm.. ANALOG OUTS!
Nice!!! I’m passing my signal out the mpcx into my rme ucxii. It’s a good idea to use the dsp. I actually never used them I’m gona try🤔. What about passing it thru a mixer first. I have an old tascam m-308 it sounds good on drums. I’ve loved your content for years. You actually were the one to inspire me to buy a 4000 back in the day.
Test test test and see what give you results you enjoy. Remember to choose a reference so that you can keep your ear tuned to reality as you test. You may like the sound of dsp va the mixer, or you may find a combination works.
Yeah I would agree that the differences are a bit more subtle when comparing the X and the software, however the headroom is different in the two environments. The kicks have a bit more transient when using the outs vs using the software.
Test #1 - Interesting. I’m still hearing that low-end bias coming from the X. The way it’s coloring the sound, the output from the X sounds darker overall compared to the MPC Software. Test #2 - With the processing, the X sounds much more balanced here except the snare transient sounds like it’s clipping/distorting (I may be wrong here but thats probably fine if that’s a desired creative decision as long as the master out isn't clipping). Overall, I prefer how the MPC Software sounds. I’m evaluating this based on how closely the raw audio signal resembles a professional mix right out of the gate.
@@Altruwest I don't like the sound of it running through the 1073 UAD. I was listening on laptop speakers. When the end part came on, I wasn't even looking at the screen and immediately was like...naw. It's subjective, but once you went through the Neve, for me it was back to the "bad compression" feeling.
@jp4751 although we did an extreme setting on this.. the mid frequency response on this is better than the internal master bus of the X, which washed out snares when clipped (refer to test #2)
@@Altruwest Ok, I just listened again on the tv. Played back through the television, I think the software ran through the UAD was cleaner than the raw MPC out. The MPC was punchier, but the software was cleaner altogether. The final sounded better listening to it on the tv than laptop speakers. I think the MPC through the effects was slightly better than the software. I rank them as MPC/UAD first, Software/UAD second, and MPC individual outs last.
Hardware mpc always sounds better than software thats why they make and if you use a daw to track out instead of the bounce track method your mix will sound much better than you would ever get from software
If I go by what you said that you wanted primarily 8 outputs and you had the mpc one you could have bought any class compliant I/O and connected it via USB and got your 8 outputs but with a brand of your choice or just connected your MPC to computer and used the MPC software that came free with it that way or track it into a DAW you was good to go.
Very true, but I also didn't want a Frankenstein setup like that though. I could have kept using the iPad with class compliant audio interface and MIDI interface in the same way. I bought the MPC because I wanted a consolidated option.
@ my point is that the whole purpose behind the MPC one is that you can make it and better if you want. I hooked a powered USB hub and now I have more keyboards or you can a usb to midi expander. You can get something with the best audio I/O that has exactly what you want. The MPC X SE just saves you the headache of looking for external gear by having these options built in but at a much bigger price.
I don't have the X, got the MPC One hooked to a Tascam 16x8 so i have access to the 8 outs as well as a motu for the midi connectivity. Options are always great.
How are you having access to 8 outs? You would be sending a stereo out of the MPC One. In the example of the X, you would be able to send from the 8 1/4 outputs into a Mixer or other device.
@@Altruwest What I was getting at was the thought process of being able to send 8 analog tracks out of 8 outs simultaneously into a DAW, mixer, etc instead of downloading the song stemmed out. Even if you are connected to a class compliant, how would you send 8 with the MPC One's circuitry simultaneously?
@@jp4751I will let the OP explain themselves on that but I understood that he used the class compliant devices to expand the outputs of the One.. the only problem with this for me is that it introduces latency since it’s an additional interface.
I thought of getting a mpcx but i decided to get a sp1200 sense it sounds better and it goes up in value the mpcx is dope for workflow but its to much work to make it sound good and for $2500 its a rip off but its got dope workflow but i prefer sound
@@andremiller1566a lot of dudes be buying mpcs and other expensive gear thinking it’s gonna magically make there beats better , most dudes I seen with sp1200s and Mpc 3000s they beats be trash af
Boy just repeating stuff he heard old guys say on TH-cam 😂😂 what u mean the sp sounds better? I’m with buddy who replied about your beats being trash I can use BandLab and come out with fire 🔥
Why not a CC USB interface with 8 outs? If sound quality is key, I'm sure the converters would be much better than what's built into the X. I mean, I love the X SE, but if the end goal is just 8 outs, then.........
If that's the reason you have an X why not just buy an interface? With matching outputs and midi etc. Idk i use controller mode so i can take advantage of Logics i/o tool when mixing hardware so there is no latency. MPC still doesnt offer that which is annoying
Let's explore this a bit. Hypothetically if one were to go the class compliant audio interface+MIDI interface route, which audio interface would be ideal? It would need to be higher quality than the MPCs and have atleast 4 inputs and 8 outputs. It would also need to have low latency on input especially, since the key selling point of the X is the ability to record audio tracks (which the 4000 and other older MPCs outside of the 5000 can't do). It would need to be a USB 3.0 or USB C device in order to have enough bandwidth to deal with multiple outputs from the MPC plus multiple inputs simultaneously. This setup also potentially requires more CPU from the X since now there is an additional load on the system to handle a larger interface. What would you suggest?
Knowing that you do a lot of music for film and TV as well… you don’t always have time to track like this, which is understandable. Just depend on your use case in the end. 👊🏾👊🏾
Its like you bought a $2500 midi controller. I know you are testing, but if you decided to use it only in standalone like many others,. It is literally a $2500 midi controller. PEACE!
I wouldn't go as far as to say its no better than a MIDI controller. The fact of the matter is, its an all in one recording system that handles 4 inputs of audio and 64 channels of MIDI output, which isn't insignificant. Combine that with 8 Audio tracks, Drum and Keygroup sampling, Built in software instruments and effects.... its a standalone DAW. Right now we're just getting started testing the behavior of the device to really understand where it shines. Would I have paid $2500+ for it? ...Absolutely not... Thank God I didnt have to..
@@larrytan73 You couldn't do a deep multi mic recording without adding a class compliant audio interface with more inputs (currently only 2 inputs have mic pres). The X and other modern MPCs have 8 Audio tracks.
@@larrytan73 It's not even a midi controller, to do that you'll have to use the akai software as a plug in within your DAW of choice. I have the X and only used it for the sounds, I never should have bought it. Considering it's all about software with akai the synths and bass sounds are fire to me but as far as sampling, I'll use my asr10 or akai z8 which is the rack version of the mpc 4k. Drums out the z8 is unreal, it's as big as the X and even have similar features. Except it's a component
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I great video really would’ve helped me out if you would have shown exactly how to use the eight out wire wire. The picture had me excited. I thought I was gonna finally learn how to connect mine up. I have all the components. I’m sure it would be a long video but a lot of people want to learn that. But I am subscribe to your channel. Good luck on your next adventure.
Great feedback! I will look into a way I can deliver this as a tutorial in the future. Stay tuned!
That’s literally the best case scenario for the x. However, you could also use an audio interface with whatever amount of outs you wish in software and standalone modes via usb. Ive downgraded to a live II from the X a few years ago just for the portability. I’ll use a audient evo for outs into my tascam model 16 when I want to get fonky. Altru, shoutouts to you my man. Got me wanting to watch music production videos again.. Give me that vintage utube beatmaking vibe the game is missing.
Thanks fam. How's the input latency with the Audient? Are you able to record audio tracks into the MPC without having small gaps at the beginning of the audio file? Its probably less of an issue if you only sample and chop, but I tend to record audio tracks and resample through pedals. Check this video for context:
th-cam.com/video/n6gi4K9kw5w/w-d-xo.htmlsi=EjNP0VBN5ruWXhx3
I've been separating sounds off my MPC since I bought the MPC2000 in '97 with 8 outputs. I still have it along with another fully loaded MPC2000. I do have the MPC One as well only because I bought it for dirt cheap and to use a newer MPC. The MPC X will soon be bought specifically for all of it's audio outputs and more MIDI connections. And congrats getting the X for cheap. That is always a great brag. Lol. 👍👍👍👍👍
Yessir sounds like you get it fam!
Appreciate you going into the X in depth. Have you noticed a difference in outputs 1-4 vs 5-8? Given that the dynamic range is different on these outs, im curious to see what your observations are. 👊🏻💯
Good call! More testing to come!
I ended up buying an interface for my live so I could get the individual outs. I have 10 outputs with my interface. All for the same reasons you mentioned.
Which interface did you end up getting?
@Altruwest I got the topping e8x8 and over the adat - the Audient evo sp8 for 16 total outputs. I plan to test both. I typically only use 8 channels but may do stereo so. I have it as an option. I’m running those into different preamps and into my ghost console.
I got the x se because it’s my first and I’m building up. Don’t see myself having the two mpc machines. I went with the future proof option . I don’t get into the sound debate. It is what it is!
People make hits on the X. Only weirdos and snobs talk like this. People are making incredible music on the X.
I agree. I debated buying the xse. I do love it but the studio 2 I have does the same thing minus the audio converters. I think that’s why I’m leaning towards the one plus to go along with the 5000 in the studio permanently. It really is more about how you want to use things and what works for you.
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on the mpc one you can access the individual outs by connecting a class compliant usb audio interface directly to it.. ihave tested this using my MIDAS MR18 and it works like a charm.. ANALOG OUTS!
Yes we covered this in my stream last night! th-cam.com/users/livei_N2ZjMhhJk
Nice!!! I’m passing my signal out the mpcx into my rme ucxii. It’s a good idea to use the dsp. I actually never used them I’m gona try🤔. What about passing it thru a mixer first. I have an old tascam m-308 it sounds good on drums. I’ve loved your content for years. You actually were the one to inspire me to buy a 4000 back in the day.
Test test test and see what give you results you enjoy. Remember to choose a reference so that you can keep your ear tuned to reality as you test. You may like the sound of dsp va the mixer, or you may find a combination works.
I hear the difference. The X does hit harder than the software. Not a huge huge difference but a trained ear can hear it.
Yeah I would agree that the differences are a bit more subtle when comparing the X and the software, however the headroom is different in the two environments. The kicks have a bit more transient when using the outs vs using the software.
I’m on the iPad atm so all I can say is nice groove.
Thanks fam, its the groove I used to produce this song th-cam.com/video/wbmuwt3OW5U/w-d-xo.html
Test #1 - Interesting. I’m still hearing that low-end bias coming from the X. The way it’s coloring the sound, the output from the X sounds darker overall compared to the MPC Software.
Test #2 - With the processing, the X sounds much more balanced here except the snare transient sounds like it’s clipping/distorting (I may be wrong here but thats probably fine if that’s a desired creative decision as long as the master out isn't clipping).
Overall, I prefer how the MPC Software sounds. I’m evaluating this based on how closely the raw audio signal resembles a professional mix right out of the gate.
Good analysis, the snare in the second test is being saturated using the Neve 1073 UAD.
@@Altruwest I don't like the sound of it running through the 1073 UAD. I was listening on laptop speakers. When the end part came on, I wasn't even looking at the screen and immediately was like...naw. It's subjective, but once you went through the Neve, for me it was back to the "bad compression" feeling.
@jp4751 although we did an extreme setting on this.. the mid frequency response on this is better than the internal master bus of the X, which washed out snares when clipped (refer to test #2)
@@Altruwest Ok, I just listened again on the tv. Played back through the television, I think the software ran through the UAD was cleaner than the raw MPC out. The MPC was punchier, but the software was cleaner altogether. The final sounded better listening to it on the tv than laptop speakers. I think the MPC through the effects was slightly better than the software. I rank them as MPC/UAD first, Software/UAD second, and MPC individual outs last.
The software doesn't have a sound. The sound is whatever interface is being used. 🤦 Just make music and get better at mixing.
Hardware mpc always sounds better than software thats why they make and if you use a daw to track out instead of the bounce track method your mix will sound much better than you would ever get from software
If I go by what you said that you wanted primarily 8 outputs and you had the mpc one you could have bought any class compliant I/O and connected it via USB and got your 8 outputs but with a brand of your choice or just connected your MPC to computer and used the MPC software that came free with it that way or track it into a DAW you was good to go.
Very true, but I also didn't want a Frankenstein setup like that though. I could have kept using the iPad with class compliant audio interface and MIDI interface in the same way. I bought the MPC because I wanted a consolidated option.
@ my point is that the whole purpose behind the MPC one is that you can make it and better if you want. I hooked a powered USB hub and now I have more keyboards or you can a usb to midi expander. You can get something with the best audio I/O that has exactly what you want. The MPC X SE just saves you the headache of looking for external gear by having these options built in but at a much bigger price.
@theopinions47 sounds very familiar 😅😅
th-cam.com/video/pWOXYwtVY3c/w-d-xo.html
I don't have the X, got the MPC One hooked to a Tascam 16x8 so i have access to the 8 outs as well as a motu for the midi connectivity. Options are always great.
How are you having access to 8 outs? You would be sending a stereo out of the MPC One. In the example of the X, you would be able to send from the 8 1/4 outputs into a Mixer or other device.
@jp4751 technically I’m using 6 outputs on the X sending them to my Apollo Quad which has 8 analog inputs.
In the case of the One (and other modern MPCs) they can connect to class compliant audio interfaces in standalone, which is what the Tascam 16x8 is.
@@Altruwest What I was getting at was the thought process of being able to send 8 analog tracks out of 8 outs simultaneously into a DAW, mixer, etc instead of downloading the song stemmed out. Even if you are connected to a class compliant, how would you send 8 with the MPC One's circuitry simultaneously?
@@jp4751I will let the OP explain themselves on that but I understood that he used the class compliant devices to expand the outputs of the One.. the only problem with this for me is that it introduces latency since it’s an additional interface.
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I thought of getting a mpcx but i decided to get a sp1200 sense it sounds better and it goes up in value the mpcx is dope for workflow but its to much work to make it sound good and for $2500 its a rip off but its got dope workflow but i prefer sound
Your beats must be terrible. Newsflash, no machine is gonna make your stuff sound better. It's not the machine it's you.
The mpc Xse has burr brown converters.. they are extremely high quality. It doesn't have an old school sound.
@@andremiller1566a lot of dudes be buying mpcs and other expensive gear thinking it’s gonna magically make there beats better , most dudes I seen with sp1200s and Mpc 3000s they beats be trash af
Boy just repeating stuff he heard old guys say on TH-cam
😂😂 what u mean the sp sounds better? I’m with buddy who replied about your beats being trash
I can use BandLab and come out with fire 🔥
Naw x is king. Work flow is the most important thing when making music
Yessir
Why not a CC USB interface with 8 outs? If sound quality is key, I'm sure the converters would be much better than what's built into the X. I mean, I love the X SE, but if the end goal is just 8 outs, then.........
That’s where Iwas gonna go until I bought a 5000. Which has a sound like the processed X outs
Yup we covered this in my stream here th-cam.com/users/livei_N2ZjMhhJk
If that's the reason you have an X why not just buy an interface? With matching outputs and midi etc. Idk i use controller mode so i can take advantage of Logics i/o tool when mixing hardware so there is no latency. MPC still doesnt offer that which is annoying
Let's explore this a bit. Hypothetically if one were to go the class compliant audio interface+MIDI interface route, which audio interface would be ideal?
It would need to be higher quality than the MPCs and have atleast 4 inputs and 8 outputs.
It would also need to have low latency on input especially, since the key selling point of the X is the ability to record audio tracks (which the 4000 and other older MPCs outside of the 5000 can't do).
It would need to be a USB 3.0 or USB C device in order to have enough bandwidth to deal with multiple outputs from the MPC plus multiple inputs simultaneously.
This setup also potentially requires more CPU from the X since now there is an additional load on the system to handle a larger interface. What would you suggest?
yes sir
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Knowing that you do a lot of music for film and TV as well… you don’t always have time to track like this, which is understandable. Just depend on your use case in the end. 👊🏾👊🏾
Its like you bought a $2500 midi controller. I know you are testing, but if you decided to use it only in standalone like many others,. It is literally a $2500 midi controller. PEACE!
I wouldn't go as far as to say its no better than a MIDI controller. The fact of the matter is, its an all in one recording system that handles 4 inputs of audio and 64 channels of MIDI output, which isn't insignificant. Combine that with 8 Audio tracks, Drum and Keygroup sampling, Built in software instruments and effects.... its a standalone DAW. Right now we're just getting started testing the behavior of the device to really understand where it shines. Would I have paid $2500+ for it? ...Absolutely not... Thank God I didnt have to..
@@Altruwest Recording? So I can track a drummer! ? How many audio track does it have?
@@larrytan73 You couldn't do a deep multi mic recording without adding a class compliant audio interface with more inputs (currently only 2 inputs have mic pres). The X and other modern MPCs have 8 Audio tracks.
@@larrytan73 It's not even a midi controller, to do that you'll have to use the akai software as a plug in within your DAW of choice. I have the X and only used it for the sounds, I never should have bought it. Considering it's all about software with akai the synths and bass sounds are fire to me but as far as sampling, I'll use my asr10 or akai z8 which is the rack version of the mpc 4k. Drums out the z8 is unreal, it's as big as the X and even have similar features. Except it's a component