Thanks. Some of this information is hard to dig up for sure. One of my HBAs is the 9207-4i4e so I likely came to similar conclusions in terms of choices.
I bought the 9200-8E from you a few years ago and it works really really well with a 24 port Netapp Disk-shelf runnning on my Threadripper Unraid server
Thank you for supporting my eBay store! Happy to hear the card has been working well. yes, those 9200-8e perform really well for the age and with HDD based storage systems! Thank you for watching!
Me too but I upgraded to a 9207-8e for 2 Netapp ds4243 (one is now powered off for energy saving) and 8 tb drives. It's in a school and the 9207 gives extra performance on our 10gb network (only for technical offices). These little are so powerful... we want to add another ds4243 for students nextcloud
Great content. Seems the only reason to get the 9200 card is if you have poor cooling, are limited to only PCIe 2 or are super concerned with power draw (and really, the difference in power draw is the equivalent of a few spinning hard drives anyway...)
True. A lot of folks that come to my store are building inside a desktop PC case or a mini-ITX case so cooling and power draw matters. thanks for watching!
Thanks for watching! I actually made it to your live stream yesterday!! I fell asleep immediately afterwards though... too early for this nocturnal cat.
Thanks for the video, defiantly helped me decide on which to use to grow Truenas. One question I do have, and have had since buying my first LSI (internal card). Do they sell a heatsink with a fan, like a GPU has? Not sure my case has the airflow, and such a thing would be preferable to cutting a hole for direct intake over the card.
No, there's no official CPU with fan for these HBA controllers. They depend on the airflow from the chassis to keep them cool. The easiest way to add a fan is to use those PCIe bracket fan mounts that allow you to mount 80mm or 90mm fans in the adjacent PCIe slot blowing air onto the card's heatsink. There are also some fancy 3D printed brackets you can get to mount a fan directly to the heatsink as well.
Sorry for this question not being pertinent to this video, but I'm hellaciously puzzled about something. I'm in the process of building an entirely new system, but with existing non-RAIDed drives with data already on them. As such, I don't want to RAID anything, just do simple JBOD work in conjunction with Drivepool (which I'm already running). I'm wanting to buy the 9400-16i along with SFF-8643 to SATA breakout cables, but does the firmware on that specific card need to be flashed to IT mode? I was under the impression that practically all LSI/Broadcom cards had to be reflashed, but on reading the docs for the 9400 series, I'm now entirely confused. Thanks in advance.
If the HBA card already has IT mode firmware, then you probably don't need to flash it unless it is older version and you want to have the latest update. It depends on the card - LSI/Broadcom sold both type of cards. Back in the day, it was more common to sell RAID controllers, and some of those can be converted to IT mode, so that's why there's a lot of talk about how to cross flash them to IT mode. These days, Broadcom sells more HBA type cards, so some of them are already with IT mode firmware.
@@ArtofServer Wow, y'know, all this time I thought ALL of those cards, no matter the model, had to be flashed to get rid of the RAID firmware. I was trying to research the flashing methods before I spent half a grand on one and they looked arcane and black magicky to the point that I almost abandoned the idea of buying one altogether. So, is it safe to assume that, unless the card has "RAID" in its name, it already has IT-type firmware for JBoD use?
You cannot control fan speeds if you're driving your fans off the backplanes... at least not usually. If you want better fan control, you need a fan controller that is programmable.
@@ArtofServer all of the fans in my case that is connecting to the backplane,but i can't control the fans speed,i read some backplane manuals,some of backplane have connectors to control the fans speed maybe through the bios or ipmi? i don't know how to find the connectors and which type of cable i shoud use,and how to connect them .
Assuming you're in a desktop PC case, I think the easiest method is buying those PCI bracket fan mounts and just add a fan or 2 blowing onto the card in the slot next to the card. There are also some 3d printed fan mounts you can find online if you have a 3d printer.
I should be marked as PCIe 2.0, but the HP H221 card is crazy and is actually marked PCIe 3.0 even though it is a PCIe 2.0 card! I talked about in this video: th-cam.com/video/i9iYJynxRU8/w-d-xo.html
run "sas2flash -list" on the controller and next to the chip name in parenthesis will be the revision number. the HP H221 are marked as "PCIe3" on the PCB, but is incorrect and can be a B0 revision chip.
which would you recommend for a dell PE r450 2.5 chassis with regards for airflow ? (if at all) i am looking to connect a 24 disk storage array if that makes any difference to your answer
either should work, just make your choice as described in this video. one thing to note, on the newer servers, they tend to be more quiet and are able to run the fans at very low speeds. basically the bottom end of the fan curve the BMC uses can go much lower on the newer gen stuff. if you run a LSI SAS2308 card in such a server, it likely won't cool the card enough, so make sure to crank up the fan speed or run with "high performance" profile.
that might depend on what type of backplane you have? expander backplane? direct attached? checkout my HBA comparison video here: th-cam.com/video/hTbKzQZk21w/w-d-xo.html
how can i contact you? im in san diego and need to buy some stuff and want to bypass ebay :) ur store says ur in chula vista so id just drive down n grab it
Do you know which of these (or any) LSI HBAs support PCIe ASPM? According to the datasheet even the 2008 should support it, but every "lspci -v" output i've ever seen always shows it as disabled. (Lack of ASPM will result in the CPU not going into it's deeper sleep-states, see also: th-cam.com/video/MucGkPUMjNo/w-d-xo.html )
@@ArtofServer Awesome ty, yeah that was a new one for me. I might need it when I try to just piece together a SAS backplane with a 8 disk housing which will be outside of the server because it won't fit inside. I've heard good things about Nocta fans which I might add to that. I'm hesitant to replace the mainOEM Dell fans with Noctuas because they seems to run a lower RPMs so of course they'll be quieter. So, all this because I don't think I would want a NetApp that will add 200Watt on top of my already 150 Watt.
Im not judging this channel for hba, it is clare that hba is more manageable to the operatinng system like freenas all from a remote console. Every case has its solution
Really love these kind of "entry-level" (at least to me) videos you make. I've saved a lot of time from your expertise.
Glad to help! Thank you for watching! :-)
@@ArtofServer is there a way to boot into a SAS drive thats connected to the LSI SAS controller?
I love how you really know your stuff and share it with the public, Thank You!!!
Thanks 🙏
Thanks. Some of this information is hard to dig up for sure. One of my HBAs is the 9207-4i4e so I likely came to similar conclusions in terms of choices.
Glad it helped
I bought the 9200-8E from you a few years ago and it works really really well with a 24 port Netapp Disk-shelf runnning on my Threadripper Unraid server
Thank you for supporting my eBay store! Happy to hear the card has been working well. yes, those 9200-8e perform really well for the age and with HDD based storage systems! Thank you for watching!
Me too but I upgraded to a 9207-8e for 2 Netapp ds4243 (one is now powered off for energy saving) and 8 tb drives. It's in a school and the 9207 gives extra performance on our 10gb network (only for technical offices). These little are so powerful... we want to add another ds4243 for students nextcloud
Thank you. Knowing what you need is key..
Thanks for watching! :-)
thank you so much for all this great help and providing an ebay store to buy this stuff from a trusted source.
No problem!
Man you rock! Like literally. I wish I was your friend in real life! Just bought one from your ebay store
Thanks for supporting my store! It's really appreciated! You're welcome to hangout with me and others on my discord! :-)
@@ArtofServer how do I get to your discord?
Great content. Seems the only reason to get the 9200 card is if you have poor cooling, are limited to only PCIe 2 or are super concerned with power draw (and really, the difference in power draw is the equivalent of a few spinning hard drives anyway...)
True. A lot of folks that come to my store are building inside a desktop PC case or a mini-ITX case so cooling and power draw matters. thanks for watching!
Just purchased one from your eBay store. Another awesome video explainer.
Thank you so much for your support! :-)
Thank your for the content it really helps
Thanks. Glad you liked it.
Thanks for the video!
You're welcome! Thank you for watching! :-)
This has been a big help! Thank you...🇺🇸 👍☕
Glad to hear it!
Excellent :)
Thanks for watching! I actually made it to your live stream yesterday!! I fell asleep immediately afterwards though... too early for this nocturnal cat.
Thanks for the video, defiantly helped me decide on which to use to grow Truenas. One question I do have, and have had since buying my first LSI (internal card). Do they sell a heatsink with a fan, like a GPU has? Not sure my case has the airflow, and such a thing would be preferable to cutting a hole for direct intake over the card.
No, there's no official CPU with fan for these HBA controllers. They depend on the airflow from the chassis to keep them cool. The easiest way to add a fan is to use those PCIe bracket fan mounts that allow you to mount 80mm or 90mm fans in the adjacent PCIe slot blowing air onto the card's heatsink.
There are also some fancy 3D printed brackets you can get to mount a fan directly to the heatsink as well.
1:55 U suppose this ist the reason why the SAS2008 consumes less power than the SAS2308?
Yes, both are PowerPC cpus, one runs faster than the other.
Any plan on making new guide on LSI HBA cards? refresh and something not to buy!!
Not at this time. There isn't too much I would change since the 2020 guide at this point. Thanks for watching!
It would be much better to see the overlay text side by side.. to compare the differences
Thanks for your feedback
Sorry for this question not being pertinent to this video, but I'm hellaciously puzzled about something. I'm in the process of building an entirely new system, but with existing non-RAIDed drives with data already on them. As such, I don't want to RAID anything, just do simple JBOD work in conjunction with Drivepool (which I'm already running). I'm wanting to buy the 9400-16i along with SFF-8643 to SATA breakout cables, but does the firmware on that specific card need to be flashed to IT mode? I was under the impression that practically all LSI/Broadcom cards had to be reflashed, but on reading the docs for the 9400 series, I'm now entirely confused.
Thanks in advance.
If the HBA card already has IT mode firmware, then you probably don't need to flash it unless it is older version and you want to have the latest update. It depends on the card - LSI/Broadcom sold both type of cards. Back in the day, it was more common to sell RAID controllers, and some of those can be converted to IT mode, so that's why there's a lot of talk about how to cross flash them to IT mode. These days, Broadcom sells more HBA type cards, so some of them are already with IT mode firmware.
@@ArtofServer Wow, y'know, all this time I thought ALL of those cards, no matter the model, had to be flashed to get rid of the RAID firmware. I was trying to research the flashing methods before I spent half a grand on one and they looked arcane and black magicky to the point that I almost abandoned the idea of buying one altogether.
So, is it safe to assume that, unless the card has "RAID" in its name, it already has IT-type firmware for JBoD use?
Could you make a video to explain how to control the fans speed connect to backplane？Thankyou！
You cannot control fan speeds if you're driving your fans off the backplanes... at least not usually. If you want better fan control, you need a fan controller that is programmable.
@@ArtofServer all of the fans in my case that is connecting to the backplane,but i can't control the fans speed,i read some backplane manuals,some of backplane have connectors to control the fans speed maybe through the bios or ipmi? i don't know how to find the connectors and which type of cable i shoud use,and how to connect them .
Thanks :)
You're welcome! Thanks for watching!
Any recommendations on slim active cooling for these HBAs?
Assuming you're in a desktop PC case, I think the easiest method is buying those PCI bracket fan mounts and just add a fan or 2 blowing onto the card in the slot next to the card. There are also some 3d printed fan mounts you can find online if you have a 3d printer.
@@ArtofServer thanks! What about in a packed 2U chassis? All my usable slots are filled. 😕
If you have the older revision of the chip for the 9207 is the board correspondingly marked as PCIe 2.0 rather than 3.0?
I should be marked as PCIe 2.0, but the HP H221 card is crazy and is actually marked PCIe 3.0 even though it is a PCIe 2.0 card! I talked about in this video:
th-cam.com/video/i9iYJynxRU8/w-d-xo.html
@@ArtofServer Good to know, thanks!
how do you identify a rev B0 9207-8e card versus the rev D1 9207-8e visually?
run "sas2flash -list" on the controller and next to the chip name in parenthesis will be the revision number. the HP H221 are marked as "PCIe3" on the PCB, but is incorrect and can be a B0 revision chip.
which would you recommend for a dell PE r450 2.5 chassis with regards for airflow ? (if at all) i am looking to connect a 24 disk storage array if that makes any difference to your answer
either should work, just make your choice as described in this video. one thing to note, on the newer servers, they tend to be more quiet and are able to run the fans at very low speeds. basically the bottom end of the fan curve the BMC uses can go much lower on the newer gen stuff. if you run a LSI SAS2308 card in such a server, it likely won't cool the card enough, so make sure to crank up the fan speed or run with "high performance" profile.
What recommend me for a freenas machine with 24x900gb sas 10k, the drives are internal so im gonna pick up the 8i version not 8e
that might depend on what type of backplane you have? expander backplane? direct attached? checkout my HBA comparison video here: th-cam.com/video/hTbKzQZk21w/w-d-xo.html
@@ArtofServer i have the 24 backplane with only two connections so i think the expander is ON the backplane
this stuff is all over my head. can i connect two machines together with these & do a IP over FC? then mount disks as iscsi?
no. I don't know of a way to run IP over a SAS HBA.
how can i contact you? im in san diego and need to buy some stuff and want to bypass ebay :) ur store says ur in chula vista so id just drive down n grab it
I replied to your message.
Do you know which of these (or any) LSI HBAs support PCIe ASPM?
According to the datasheet even the 2008 should support it, but every "lspci -v" output i've ever seen always shows it as disabled.
(Lack of ASPM will result in the CPU not going into it's deeper sleep-states, see also: th-cam.com/video/MucGkPUMjNo/w-d-xo.html )
That's a great question. Unfortunately, I don't know much about that topic with regards to LSI HBAs.
9200 8e on 48 8 tb drives
sounds great!
Now it is 9207 rev d1, more performance
LFM
www.engineering.com/resources/air-flow-calculator/
@@ArtofServer Awesome ty, yeah that was a new one for me. I might need it when I try to just piece together a SAS backplane with a 8 disk housing which will be outside of the server because it won't fit inside. I've heard good things about Nocta fans which I might add to that. I'm hesitant to replace the mainOEM Dell fans with Noctuas because they seems to run a lower RPMs so of course they'll be quieter. So, all this because I don't think I would want a NetApp that will add 200Watt on top of my already 150 Watt.
I am not a fan of hba, i prefer the traditional hardware raid as its faster and not require cpu reources
everyone is entitled to their own preferences. I talk about RAID vs HBA in this video: th-cam.com/video/xEbQohy6v8U/w-d-xo.html
Im not judging this channel for hba, it is clare that hba is more manageable to the operatinng system like freenas all from a remote console. Every case has its solution
Can you run the 9207-8e run with windows 11?i personally want this just so i can use sas drive
I don't know.. I don't use Windows 11. Check to see if there's driver support and if so, I don't see why it would not work.