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The conventional approach to mix processing may be holding you back, or so says plug-in & hardware designer Gregory Scott. Sit back and relax as he rants in excruciating detail about all the tiny tweaks he does to a typical mix, and WHY he does them.
How come I feel like I just smoked a lot of good weed with him and want to leave his room but don't want to be rude, so I am really stoned and just listening to him but have no idea what he is talking about and I just want to go home because there is something really erotic about the situation but I am too stoned to know if it is just my imagination
This is possibly the funniest thing I've read in weeks, tears are rolling down my face. Thank you!!
How my girl feels when I start ranting about the beat I made
And then the kush after hour song starts playing in the background, you feel that bass, that kick, and you know you are in danger
@@rulorulex6964 😂😂😂
I quite understand, also some mixes just don't need GLUE compression may be because the mix on that track is great as is.
That's why I love doing this shit cause there are no real set rules and you're allowed to find uncharted territory in this!
Keep helping us Gregory
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My man be living life on point
Just what I needed, was just about to start mixing a track. Nothing quite like 16 mins with Gregory to recontexualise things :)
Couldn't agree more!
I read "resexualize" at first. :)
@@zaptronic Greg definitely does that too lol
But glue is all about density. Also it best to learn the core of what compressor does and why they used it in the first place. And i don't use mix bus compressor in the mix. That's called mastering. I do a drumbus if needed. And live. Never from a daw.
@@Madrrrrrrrrrrr Super agree. Theres a reason mastering engineers will tell you (myself included) to take off any effects from the master bus. Just doesn't make any sense to have one in the first place.
Funny thing: I do it exactly vice versa, than you explained regarding your "sound signature" at 5:20 . Before I finish a mix, I put an EQ on the master bus, adjust it to my likings until the mix sounds better to me, and then switch it off again and start compensating for everything that's missing in the mix without the mix bus EQ. Works perfectly and helps making "ear fatique" obvious.
Nice! I'm not able to pull that off, because the mix eq for me is literally grabbing everything, and it's putting a single layer of analog phase smear across all the sounds. One of my mix eq's has tubes, the other has transformers, and they're gainstaged for saturation and color. I'm not able to replicate that via plugins in the mix, but even if I could... I'm lazy! My brain says, "Sounds good? Print it!!!"
Thank you for your generosity! It's very evident that you care about the other mixers out there that need a helping hand.
Im just gonna leave a like and come back when I'm in need of mixing inspiration. I love your style of teaching. You focus on the feeling behind mixing.
So true. It should be about feelings. The mixing "engineer" title is wrong in so many ways. It should be an art/craft, rather than "engineering".
Thank you! It does make perfect sense and the whole series about breaking rules is really encouraging. You have covered several areas that have affirmed my own 'rule breaking' practices. I am still learning as I go along but have become more confident about following my instincts. I reminded myself of how, when I was younger, I used to experiment with connecting anything I had lying around to anything I had lying around to see what sound it would make and tried to adopt that approach when mixing. My mix bus processing has been steadily shrinking with each new project and lately all I use on there is Blyss - it provides just enough of that elusive something without messing with the shape of the track. Many thanks for sharing your ramblings, please keep them coming.
Every time I watch one of your videos, my awareness expands and it just makes sense to me. You're like an audio hit of really good acid.
So much passion in this video. I can almost feel myself standing in the kitchen with you stirring the soup.
I've missed you man. Honestly, Gregg I'm so grateful for everything you've created. I've used a lot of different plugins and companies over the years, but I find myself using yours more than anyone. I love the tone of your saturations, I love the musicality of your compressors - shaping and gluing the sound without adding ugly artefacts. I love the smoothness of your EQ's... they're just amazing plugins and I worship those 3 in Sly-Fi. Finally, for me there is no better plugin in a mix bus than Blyss! Thank you, legend.
I love your videos, they remind me of how we used to work in the 80's.
I dont have a fixed way of working, I just serve the song and use what is necessary. I see people use a lot of buses in mixes and I usually just use one. Sometimes there is nothing on it but level and maybe a touch of eq. I rarely use compression on a mix bus as it tends to mess with my balance and eq choices and I feel like I have to go back and fix what the compressor does to the eq. If it needs it, then fine but less is just about always more for me.
Thanks for your wonderful approach to recording.
Very nice coincidence that you bring up the approach to finish everything as well as possible before doing anything on the mixbus since it's exactly my approach in a project i'm doing now. Thanx for great all great mixbus tips to finalize it!
As someone who has only learned mixing from TH-cam and making music your channel is becoming a favorite. I’m finding a lot of the consensus advise doesn’t yield me a very good product. This is excellent.
I’m not sure when this guy started making videos but he’s got a very common sense and down to earth approach that I really appreciate. These have helped me a lot with mixing.
I can't stop recommending this channel to my friends. Hands down the best music production channel on TH-cam
Literally the best commercial Ive ever seen! Adore this channel!
For me, the problem with mixing into a bunch of "top down" mixbus processing is that it effects every element in the mix, whether needed or not. Now I not only need to address the elements that still require some shaping, but I also have to fix those elements that didn't need that processing in the first place.
It's like salting your entire meal, even though only the steak required it, then having to go and pull all of the salt out of the peas and potato to preserve their proper flavor.
Fix problems that need to be fixed, and leave the rest alone.
The real usefull type of mixing is middle down / middle up. Where you mix from your groups-busses downwards and then when you have things going good you mix from your busses upwards. Its like putting the least needed salt in separate food groups and then sparkling the entire meal with the seasoning you always love.
Really good analogy. I also think of it as painting with an instagram filter on
I have been listening to you for the past 20 hours, literally... I really needed you 10 years ago, working from today to make sure I can be the best mixer I can from this point on. Thanks.
literally nothing would make me happier then smoking a bowl with you and talking about mixing and music for hours! Must do that sometime in the future😂 but for now thank you for all you do and all the amazing information you give us all we appreciate it more then you could ever understand. you just have this amazing vibe surrounding you that reals people in as soon as they see you and makes everyone instantly love you and want more! keep up the great work man, I know you got great things coming!
The way you share your knowledge and personal mixing experience sounds like I'm being told a beautiful story.
It's a very unique and precious natural talent.
Love from Quebec :)
Saved to my favorites list for mixing. Greg, you are my audio spirit animal. Nobody gets it and explains it quite like you do. Exactly how I think of mix bus processing too
Awesome!!!! There was a time when I would be lost listening to something so valuable. Many years later I totally understand everything your saying and its gold!!!!! Thanks!
Gregory Scott, you never disappoint. I love specificity and emotional focus you bring to your recommendations and technique. Never forget the soul. Cheers.
I love seeing your new videos, Greg, but I equally love re-watching your old ones, as there are always new things to uncover as my own skills improve.
THIS.
Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts! I found this video very interesting and it really made me think. All the best from Finland!
THANK YOU FOR THIS. can't wait to hear your thoughts adding dynamics while mixing (old school fader riding)
love the new plugin, btw! 🙏
In retrospect I kept delaying for a while the idea or the "need" to put something on the bus mix from an early stage of the mix, thanks to you Gregory I understand why I delayed it. Mixbus at an early stage, at least for me, is like a bodyguard on a street where there is no danger, only opportunities. I will continue to do two things: 1- make mix buses towards the end 2- I will continue to follow each of your videos. Thank you so much
Oozing with awesome knowledge as usual, sir! Finding the balance between "rules", and just figuring out what sounds good and what doesn't, is very tricky when you're still learning. Sometimes, it's easier to trust rules than it is your ears! Learning to trust your ears and bending the norms comes with experience I think.
I love the idea of your Mixing concept!
I can't wait to try it!
Thanks for sharing!
Many great points and tips in this ramble. I love when i leave a video with thoughts i didnt come to the video for
Thank God for this channel. I've learned so much from the liquid silver voice of Sir Gregory Scott.
Even his mercurial statements are pure gold, eh? 😏🍻
Great insight on the eventuality of using a mixbus comp early in the mix! Am sooo with you on what you are saying here and on the reasons why it does not work for you. Had the same experiences that you describe and stopped doing it. Now using them only at the very end of the mix, looking for a tiny more of density and mids tone getting a tiny bit forward, that's all. Another great video Gregory, love from Italy!
Incredible advice man, thank you. I have had the Exact same experience when slapping comps and EQs on the bus early, I always end up fighting and shutting them off. Very cool to hear some one else with my same experience when everyone else says to do that.
Hi Gregory, Thank you very much for another great video. I love the intro and outro music in your videos. Thank you very much for that.
Great stuff! I typically find the biggest, loudest, most dense part of the mix and dial in that part first, including mix buss compression. That way my automation work doesn’t get altered downstream.
I also believe strongly in processing at the group level. No EQ or heavy compression on the mix buss, just a “hug”. The vocals have their own mix buss separate from the music that doesn’t get touched by that stereo compressor.
Always experimenting though.
90% or more of my engineer friends who have problems with their mix, their issue stems from the mix buss. Most of the time mix buss processing is doing bad things that you don’t realize until much later… muddiness, cramped sound stage, weird stuff that you don’t notice at first blush
Revisiting your videos. Your how to hear compression video was the first time you helped me "hear" what attack and release accomplished. Now I've decided to be more serious with my mixes and production. You provide the most tactile learning experience I've seen.
Also just revisited that one a couple of days ago, so glad that we all have this gold in our hands, bro. Greg is the best!
just signed up for the subscription for kush plugins. VERY excited man. Thank you
I am absolutely addicted to these videos! I don't know how many I have watched by now. Can't stop! MOAR!!!
When there is a gain structure and peaks are finalised, it is even easier to deal in the glue. The final limiter is then more of a soft clipper thing for lifting and not for taming the peaks. If starting early mixing into limiters and compressors it happens fast when the mix could fall apart if taking it away. This happens mixing in the box, don't know how that is doing with analog gear.
The pultec type curves crave out almost the mids and low end which seems more vital for mixing because adding definition focus, more headspace for adding other elements. Ofc it sounds great on a mixbus and maybe silky smooth but the tonal shaping happens usually on solo channels creating complementary sounds not so much competing sounds just for contemporary music.
Always merry, always bright. As always, just what I needed. thank you Gregory.
I just love it when Greg coherently explains a point it took me years to learn the hard way!
the most chilled guy on youtube, I came for the advice, I stayed for the mood and ambience(pronounced the french way, yes, the french way)
I agree with you having way less experience but what I really appreciate is the deliver of your mixing process, very musical aligned and your whispering voice makes me feel that you're telling us a secret so I even pay more attention to it. All your videos are great but "How to listen to compression" video is my favorite
Fabulous Greg as always. Mind opening ideas. Cant wait to try them.---thanks bro
This has the soft lighting of the entire era of the 70's..also no other channel has such good mix advice..thank you Mr. Scott kind sir.
I think of mix bus processing in the exact same way. Didn’t actually know whether I was handling the “right” way or not. But this was super validating. Love your approach and style of mixing. Can’t wait until I can afford some of that hardware.
I run into the same issues. I’m glad you brought it up
Very insightful! Will definitely try out some of your approach on upcoming mixes.
you are my fav teacher . open with your ideas to letting us find what works for our ears . thanks
Thank you for "getting it"! 😃
This resonated with my mix style a lot. I never got into putting plugins on the mix bus except for a limiter. They sound good at first but when I volume match and compare my mixes they always seem a tiny bit mushy compared to the straight mix. Good outboard gear seems to fix that for me. I Use the RND MBP for my colour, compression, widening and limiting and it is absolutely wonderful. It is so nice after spending a long time tweaking a mix to my taste of perfection to send it out into the analogue gear and do the final touches. Often that SSL glue sound to me, at least with the plugins I have tried, just makes my mix sound a bit less defined so gluing the mix in the mix really works better. Nice to hear someone else's process with this.
This is the greatest channel ever. I want to get Kush hardware when I grow up.
Great video like always. Just got some of your plugins and oh my I wished I had them before now... They are just too lit 🔥 🔥 thanks for all you do
I recently found an old gearslutz forum about the Red 3 and saw you were talking about it. I pretty much keep hearing that same gray sheen oddly enough with the plugin as well as the mid-range bump, which for my music isn't so needed. Anyway, that and this channel have helped me along the way as far as knowing how to mix in a short amount of time compared to other 'knowledgable' videos out there. Much appreciated!
love when you whisper the magic insights :)
@5.35 I do the exact same thing. To hear you say that is encouraging...of course it's taking me longer to learn how to properly mix but even in my apprentice state I can tell the difference in the dynamics. BTW I'm a subscriber to your plugins offer. Thanks bro...I appreciate you.
YESSSS. I've tried to articulate this before and felt I got my point across, but now I'll just keep this link on hand to explain it for me.
I love your advice man, the vibes are incredible and you’ve got some great things to say! It’s funny I work the opposite, I mix top down. I do all my volume automation and figure all the levels out first then do universal EQing on the track and but my mix bus compression is something I figure out at the very end of my mix when there’s only tiny little details that need to be fixed that won’t effect the track too much. Love your work and there’s definitely still stuff I can take from this, thanks for the videos man!
Right on! Yeah, I’ve met a lot of engineers over the decades and no two work the same, and sometimes it’s pretty staggering how differently we can approach things!
Second time listening to this channel and mheeerrn I just subbed. In the context of this video he just touched my approach.......Your voice is ❤
I am so glad you made this video. I thought it was just me. This was just brilliant.
Greg, you are so friggin hip!!! It's a tremendous reaffirmation listening to you describe how you hear things... Thanks so much bro!!!
Makes total sense Gregory! For many years i avoided workflow and had mix buss processing? Massive mistake! Sinse embracing workflow and removing mix buss processing it is exactly for me as you have described! I have never looked back and enjoy being able to reslove mixes, not that i needed confirmation but thankyou for sharing as it forces you to address the real problems at the mix level! 👍👍
Thank you as always for this insight and for starting another deep consideration session.
I'm still pretty much of a newbie, but I've always felt that my mixes sound much better when I just rely on my ears to adjust levels, eq a bit here and there, and only then start compressing etc. It's good to hear someone with more experience essentially say the same thing.
There’s so much you can do with simple fader levels before you even try a compressor or EQ. There’s always that temptation to slap things on because you feel you need to.
As every video, this oozes knowledge and charisma!
Love it.
Gregory, I hope you are doing better!!! Thanks for this clip, because one gets the feeling that mixing into a compressor is the only way to go. I have never done it. Glad you confirmed I am not insane (for this reason 😁).
The entrance of your videos are like a massage in the ears.
Thanks Gregory for your amazing insight.
So beautifully said. Speechless as putting this feeling into words would take away from it. However, if anyone was to take this advice a little seriously, they could swift through their mixes, productions and release their stuff to be heard at desired speed.
This is weird. Last two days I listen to this channel to fall asleep 🤣i love these topics and i like his calm voice. I also learn a lot. Thank you
Dude, I know you’ve had some challenges over the last year or so, but I just want you to know that I always come back and review your videos, because they are always insightful. Hope you’re doing better these days!
This is so true! So relaxing these videos
Dude I just want to say I’m honored to have stumbled upon the content of a hardware designer. Instant subbed.
Glad I found this channel. Really great teacher
This is a really useful commentary on the process of mixing for where I'm at.
This is great. Love your perspective. Cheers!
Great technique! I have big love for kush plugins :)
Fellow mix bus as a "finishing tool" user checking in. Great vid!
Solid advice, same I got from some small studio mixers in the nineties. Some even saying they did nothing on the mix bus, tune dependent of course.15:19 says it all ...thx for the rewind.
Same, I'm right there with you on leaving the mix buss open when I am mixing!
My Friday evening is now complete... a glass of wine and some House of Kush therapy and insight!! 🍷😎👍
Dude your content is Gold So many great advice on point in such a short time 🙏 thank you
I have tried top-down-mixing before and it was a different flavor overall for me.
But I resonate with this a lot - I do mixing with virtually NO effects on my mix buss and have no problems. I get the dynamics how I want them and, as you said - glue it together without compression and have never had issues. When I tried top-down for the first time - it was like "Huh, that's kinda cool" but it didn't really make a massive difference for me in terms of "WHOA this just changed my life"
Overall --> there is WAY too much hype online and WAY too much of the "THIS WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE" mentality that is actually pretty harmful to the average person because it's almost never true.
Greg, I used to do it your way for a long time, but lately I'm trying something completely different. After my Dangerous 2Bus summing box, I run my mix into Tonelux Equalux EQ (this one can be used in a pultec style, cutting and boosting same frequencies at the same time, and that's how I use it), then to Fatso Jr (no compression or 1db max. I use it for saturation), then to...drumroll......Kush Clariphonic. After that the sound travels to double compressors! Yes, I run the signal to Chandler Germanium Limited comp (compressing 0.5-1db, slowest attack, fastest release for punch) and then the signal goes to my Tube-Tech LCA-2B for tube colorarion and "glue". Finally I EQ everything with an unbelieavable piece of gear which is Heritage Audio Symph EQ. As you can see, my 2 bus is loaded, and I start mixing into it from the get go. I manipulate the levels just to hit the gear with the right levels. You can consider it "my sound", as you said you'd compensate the mix to kinda fix the master chain anyways. That's exactly what I do. What's the point? The point is that I don't have to listen to the digital crappy sound for hours. The digititis is gone from the first minute, which not only improved my mixes but made me enjoy mixing much more. I mix 80% OTB, and since I started doing so, I mix twice as fast as I was ITB, and my mixes sound much better. If you have tried a compressor feeding another compressor, both doing a bit different thing, please let me know what you think about this idea.
You've resuscitated me. As always awesome. Thanks!!!
Glad to hear it!
Love this guy's vibe. Great teacher
I 100% agree with this.
I’m doing very nearly the same. Similar chain, though not identical, obviously. But the concept is spot-on.
I do leave a limiter on my 2-bus once I start getting balances, but it’s pulled down 3 dB on input. If I see any activity on it, then I know my intended gain-staging is off somewhere… so it just acts as a safety. But even that doesn’t go on until I’m done getting basic sounds, because I don’t want even that possibly throwing me off what I’m hearing at that early stage, either.
I wasn’t aware that Inflator acts a bit like an expander below 50%; I knew it was doing coloration and harmonics there, but I didn’t know it went that far. It’s always been a bit of a mysterious plug-in, even though it’s “just” a waveshaper.
Anyway, I’ve come back full circle to this very same conclusion just in the past 6 months. They key is getting the initial tracks tonally shaped early on. Then you don’t need so much crap on the back end, where every little small move is exaggerated.
Watching your vids. Great stuff!
Very good Topic & live they way you approach it👍George
Love it, always connect with your views Greg. I'm new to this but I have to build it. I can't get into the top down method, does my head in. Look at my mixbus when I've solved everything else.
Great stuff as always man. I love the way your mind works. For me, after I get my static mix working, I'll start mixing through console saturation and into a buss compressor. That's it on the mixbus until the mix is about 90% there. Then I'll start shaping with eq's, exciter, inflator and finally some 2-track tape saturation. That way I can start to hear the finished product and see where it's lacking. I'll bypass some of that if I need to do something detailed with automation, if the color is getting in the way.
This is what I love about the Internet - not only do I get to hear the wisdom of Gregory Scott, but also have access to the wisdom of someone like Billy Decker who does the complete opposite - mixing into Ozone, using templates, etc. What a time to be alive and making music.
Right? To be clear: I absolutely use templates, and I have a very well established and consistent workspace and predictable workflow from song to song. It's just that in my mix template, all my mix buss processors default to Bypass. But they're there, and the knobs are all set up and ready to go, so Mr. Decker and I are maybe not as far apart as you think!
Excellent thank you. I like that you include the goal aspect as opposed to it being about gear. Although I don’t have magic hardware, i can shoot for a similar experience with what i have. What the ear doesn’t miss, the heart wont mind.
this was helpful. my mastering chain is a mess but it works by meticulously going to extremes and then backing off, saturating, then eq'ing, gluing and then pumping. i feel like maybe a good way to achieve "polished" results in the box is to use multiple serial chains that saturate and compress and boost/cut in their own ways, then move on to another one, and if anything is still too harsh or digital, you can use mbdynamics from melda or baby audio smooth and then the 385 enhance, and finish with the softube weiss shit
i do appreciate these talks. very inspiring
Man, your Plugs are phenomenal.
"Flauer Pauer" and "Green Pond Alge" preset names is what makes Hammer eq so good.
Lol, I was never sure anybody noticed!
My psychedelia orchestral metal ideas thank you. I've been experimenting with UBK Silika AR1 on sub group mixes and getting into OMega's
I'll get into Hammer on my Bus.
Ahahahahaha!! These presets' name have krushed me for ten hours!!
@@TheHouseofKushTV Greg what's the odds of a Channel Strip Tape product 2 inch 1 1/4 Maxell TDK Fostex Magnetic Ferric Oxide Charcoal wow and flutter tape age. ..Hint I'd buy it.
@@TheHouseofKushTV nice names they are... i also like reverbs being called archaic Chamber and i actually had a Bus explained to me as a "Bus" and the people come in into the Bus can be in ex...voices..and they are all in The Bus...one further back in the row of seats has more echo ...in his Voice..i actually thought ...i,d never understand how it works *** great Channel*
Started doing this end of last year, not necessarily for the same reason, I was trying to streamline everything for efficiency. Happy with the results too, producing a lot quicker, not mixing top down was just an added bonus of a quick time saver.
I've come back to this video after two years and boy how much have I learned ... :))
" Use the Hammer with the inferior Pultec that you already have" Gold
I expect him to be clickbaiting, but im blown away every time!!
iiiiinteresting. as always. thanks Greg.