How to SEAT A VOCAL Down INTO THE MIX
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ส.ค. 2021
- Struggling to get a vocal to sit in a mix? Maybe it's a combo of when and how you're mixing it... Gregory Scott shares more tips and tricks than ever in this 13 minute slice of studio gold!
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Hey Greg! Im listening to Sweet Low Afterglow right now. This has got to be one of my fav songs, im just wondering how you made those vocals sound so tender but so honky at the same time. Did you edit out the breaths and processed them different tho? Idk if its already been done, if not then I'd like to see how you edit your tracks before mixing, especially vocals and drums.
Thank you!! That soft-but-pointy vocal tone is in the delivery, we actually sing like that. The softness comes from the near-whisper volume. The honk comes from making sure our tone stays bright and resonant as if we were belting. That combo is actually REALLY hard to pull off, most soft singers get throaty and/or breathy, they lose the midrange. Inspiration: Bee Gees, Dusty Springfield, Dionne Warwick. From there, I tracked with a LOT of clipping from the Omega preamp, judicious sculpting with Axis, and heavy buss squeeze from Novatron. I group Sarah and me separately and automate the group balances for drama. In those choruses, you’re gearing 4 part harmony, me on low, her on high, both of us on the middle 2 , everything doubled and panned out. So… 12 voices stacked floor to ceiling and wall to wall, but nothing hard pan or center. Drums and bass inside , synths and guitars outside. Panning is a massive part of the vibe. 🙂
@@TheHouseofKushTV What's the max value of the panning on the harmonies? 90? And this mix is heavenly!
@@TheHouseofKushTV Thank you so much for sharing!
I mixed that tune in Logic , which pans from -64 to 63 (because it's 1992 and midi should still control your panning, apparently). Anyway, in that scheme, vox tend to max out at +/-60. So probably closer to +/-93 on a +/-100 scale.
As always...great stuff!!
Thought provoking and relevant to our core!!
Love that basic human conditions are part of your lessons! Lol
It's all valid and good to keep in mind if you're recording and mixing music. Gonna definitely try the 1/4 note delay high passed st 600...
Just imagining that has me buzzin....
Cheers!
Jesus... I came here for the mixing advice, I stayed for the charisma and mesmerising way of speaking (and the mixing advice).
Me too! 😂😂
THIS IS A VOCAL MASTERCLASS
This video is a lot of really great things
It’s better
every video in this channel is pure gold
I’ve spent decades learning this game. Pay attention to this man, he speaks experienced, artistic truths.
Really is one of the best on TH-cam
My notes from this insightful video (thanx!):
Try turning off the vocal until 60 % - 70 % of the mix is done. Doing that, leave out some space around 2.5 kHz.
Some advice on the subject of "Clarity vs. Volume on vocal", as it is matters more when you start with just the instruments:
1. Somewhere around 2 - 3 kHz the main clarity zone lives, as it helped our ancestors to survive without internet pornography for all those years.
2. 1 dB or more on 800 Hz - adding old-school mid-range. This puts the vocal in front of the mix and gives it a little more of that 2 - 3 kHz kind of clarity (the range we, modern man, still hear so good, as human evolution will take a long time to "tone down" the unnecessary).
3. Delay, stereo spread to 1st quarter note after and 2nd somewhere ± 5/10/20 ms. The dude typically panned it closer to the center, but it might work better otherwise. Add a Low-Pass set around 600 Hz, the thing should sound pretty dark once you do - it gives "a warm, wet, kind of gluing thing" to the vocal.
4. On reverb:
a) To see how much you can get away with while keeping the vocal intelligible and to grasp the flow of effects-dry relationships as such:
1) add reverb and send 100% wet out from it to a separate channel;
2) set it to the level at which you are starting to hear it;
3) try making the reverb just a bit longer and the vocal just a bit quieter as far you can with the vocal line still intelligible.
b) Most of the time mixes generally benefit from having some kind of reflection pattern that serves as content for the sound. A lot of times, emulation of small spaces is used for that.
c) 1 or 2 reverbs are typically enough. Better to be subtle with it, unless the idea is that it should be heard.
Thank you!
Thanks!
Thank you chat GPT
There I was, already asleep in bed on a rare early night. Then my eyes abruptly opened (just like in the movies), I got straight up and went downstairs, looked at my browser and intuitively just went straight to TH-cam.
And there it was staring right at me... a new Kush After Hours on mixing vocals. Just as I am in the middle of, um, mixing some troublesome vocals on a project.
Thanks again, Wizard.
And great tip on using the Clariphonic directly on the vocal! I’ve been using it on the 2-buss with great success; but your tip looks like it may replace a vocal top-end parallel bus 5 plug-ins deep. This sounds better. Just step through the 4 stages to find what’s needed and set Clarity to taste. Simple and done.
I am not afiliated with this compnay at all. Im in the process of testing this out as it seems interesting.
Hahaha made my day
kush is the only notification i’ll click this fast for
Two great TH-cam tutor on mixing and sound I've found
Gregory Scott
Dan Worrall
These ppl are GOAT
Dan is the shit, no doubt about it.
Sir, at first I wrote you off as being some hair-dressed, full-of-yourself, egomaniac. Now I see you for what you really are: A decent man, helping people to create beautiful art. I really appreciate your videos which remind us why we got into music in the first place.
It's possible I'm a bit of 'all of the above', but I try to keep a level head and give the decent guy the most space to do his thing 😛
Well, I’m anti-hipster.
My hipster radar is very finely tuned.
And from day one I’ve had nothing but a genuine vibe from this man and this channel.
Keep on keeping on!
Greetings from Aberdeen Scotland!
listen to his podcast Ubk happy funtime hour, its a real guy with knowledge having fun sharing, great to listen too on long journeys
Hard dressed.. 🤣
Gregory Scott you are the ultimate WIZARD 🧙♂️
That moment you are watching a Kush's video and a new one just popup haha. Always great stuff man :)
I can't even imagine mixing vocals first. I never thought mixing vocals first was even a thing. I'll go back under my rock.
As a biologist I can really appreciate your evolutionary perspective! never thought of it in that way. We needed to understand each other in both the open field and in caves. So counter- intuitivly reverbs can actually help to understand! That is an eye opener!
Right on! It’s also about reality aligning with expectations. If the ‘space’ of a mix has cave-like properties, and the voice is too dry (or vice versa), we’ll not only experience it as disconnected, we’ll likely feel unsettled, we intuit that something isn’t right. Raising someone’s hackles is maybe not the ideal strategy for endearing them to the work 😜
@@TheHouseofKushTV thanks
Unfortunately its more evidence of devolution :-(
@@iam-music If you're looking for evidence of something --- whatever that something may be --- you'll find it. 🕺🏻
@@TheHouseofKushTV the guys with the funny hats must have found the evidence...whip it good ;-)
"We are not men...we are..." I spent too much time at the online gene accountant...tells am interesting maths story :-)
Unfortunately (devo)olution is not religion/evidence...its a decremental state. Loved your tracks btw.
Love it. Thanks for dropping these gems man
Yet another fab vid Mr. Scott.
Another great video. Thanks so much for taking the time to make these. 🙌
This channel has helped me out a lot with my mixes, thanks!
Man, this guy really get you into the philosophy of the mix, thank you Gregory! 👏🔥
You're the best! You make things easy to understand!
Hey, I just subscribed two days ago. You've taught me so much in so little time, just want to thank you for the value you're bringing. Really outstanding, man.
definitely agree with you here. having vocals as the central element of a mix might be a pop music thing, idk, but most genres and styles are actually about the whole music. the vocals should not pop out then, but fit in. i also think that it sounds much healthier and more natural than a mix that pretends like the vocalist is the only important entity in the world
Amazing as always. Thanks Greg
Amazing advice, Thank You!
It's amazing how much clarity you bring to concepts that seem so daunting to an amateur.
its an amazing day when the mix master uploads!
Awesome tips, Guru!
Video after video this man drops so much quality information. Thank you for sharing all of this, since finding your channel my mixes have improved 50x
Genius. Much love.
You're not only an amazing musician and producer but also a truly gifted teacher! Thank you SO MUCH!! ⭐
Studio gold hits the nail squarely on the head. Thanks Gregory, for more solid advice!
Thx very much, Greg - that was another great lesson. Love your videos!
Gregory - loving your intelligent, alternate approaches to mixing and sonics. Thanks. Definitely Master Kush!
I’m drunk. I’ve been thinking about this concept all day with the vocals I’ve been mixing, I love your videos and the way you explain things. Thanks
You so much house of kushhhhhh once again!!!:);)
I'm 100% with you on this. This is exactly what I have ALWAYS done.
Every time I watch one of your vids, my mind is lowkey exploded. Love your style, approach, and micro/macro way of explaining things... from a technical note on what hertz we hear voices, to the evolutionary reason why... "everything goes back to human relationships"... what a great thing to keep in mind while mixing a voice. Thanks!
His descriptions of music in general are so visceral.. Absolutely love listening to how Gregory describes the visual meat and depth of what you're hearing of what you're hearing through your ears
Gregory, the timing of your video releases in correlation to my level of bewilderment on a particular subject is simply impeccable.
lovely video, kush!! I always look forward to your uploads. :))✌🏽🕊
Once more, Fascinating . I really feel like you help us going to the next level - Inspiring people to let them find their way :) I feel lucky to watch your discussions . Thank You !
Another great video Sir.
Very interesting. I’m mixing some vocals today so this video came at a great time! Love your channel man thank you for all you do!! 🤘🔥
Brilliant man...I love how these videos discuss concepts versus actual stone cold editing techniques
Been struggling with this subject of late, thanks Kush great advice! I also mix music first and vocals second, makes sense to me 💚
Thank you for the informed videos, Greg!
Bro, that quarter note delay is EXACTLY what I needed! All of your videos are fantastic. Thank you!
The fact that you bless us with this information and experience for free makes me so happy
Best coach in the whole damn world
Brilliantly explained! Thanks
Your videos become the best times of my day, thank you so much :))
I felt a disturbance in the force. I needed this exactly now, and there you were. Stalker.
Wow! What a great analysis of mixing, thanks !!! I share that also to work the instrumental first, in the way that not all the energy and kinetics have to be focused on the vocals. Your channel is really great, thank you!
You are the man, Kush!
Saved in the mixing folder.
Genius level info. Your videos are some of the best on the web!
Thanks for these videos, lots of interesting ideas to try, really excellently presented and put together, way way better than 99% of similar stuff on TH-cam.
This is gold. Thank you so much much. Vocals are a constant issue for me especially with really up front wall of guitar metal stuff and different types of clean and growly vocals. I'm definitely going to reference this video when I get to the vocals mix on my current project. It's the main area where I know my previous efforts suck.
New to the channel, you’re content fits my style of mixing a lot but honestly I’m learning/trying new things and shit! These tips are worth gold. Definitely a new sub! Thanks 🙏
This man is a gift
Hello Gregory, Thanks a lot for the tips you have been giving! The nice thing about them is that you teach how to listen to things and not simply work like a robot with visuals!
Truth, my man. Groove-driven music, for me, it's where it's at. This is a resource, pure and simple. Very well put.
Your way has always been my way I've done it! Amazing!
You saved my ass man. I have that one vocal that just doesn't want to go into the mix and your tips immediatly pushed it so much forward. It is just amazing to listen. Since now I can turn the volume down and it doesn't crash my ears anymore and glues together with the instrumental. Your videos are gold. Thank god you share your knowledge with us! God bless you! :)
Mind blown. Awesome tips for fx on vocal.
Best education channel on TH-cam
Gregory answers my questions before I have a chance to ask. What a Guru!
Dude...what an excellent video. I love the little subtle hints that I bet are massive in a mix..Thanks for sharing. New sub
Awesome 👏🏻 (as always)
Great video, as always!
Man the way you explain things with so much knowledgeability, it's like you paint a picture in my mind, whatever you explain I don't need to see it in practice, I already know what to do, your explanation was enough. Your like a doctor of mixes, you've should called this channel Dr. Mix lol. Awesome job man 👍👍👍👍👍
Fantastic clinic! You just gave me some valuable info, Appreciate your videos.
This has helped me so much in live situations. I have these bumps on my vocal eq preset ready for tuning in. Also I found that when there's a disturbingly long echo in the room it helps if I add a bit of short familiar reflections kind of to go before it. Lyrics are always clear now. Thank You.
Great content and super timely for me, because I am basically doing the same thing and feeling I was doing it "wrong".
Ahoy. Spot on bro. That is what works for me! Thank you.
I thought I was crazy! It has never worked for me at all having the vocal as the center piece. I will now keep doing what I've done on my latest tracks - vocal last. Thank you, the way you talk about mixing gives me my confidence back honestly :) .
Great video man. Your videos are a gift. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and experience. I learn worlds from you. You shoot out so many small details and they hit me right where I need them to. Thx man.
Right on! That's a good sign, that you're picking up all the details in between the top level stuff 🕺🏻
Spot on. I'll give these concepts a shot next mix. Thanks.
Even though the music I make is a 180 degree turn from what you typically show, I love how much your ideas and ways of thinking of mixing align with mine. But you've codified so much that I have just learned intuitively. It's nice to hear it put into words in a logical way.
Hi Greg - just got home from my smoky Friday night at my studio - built around an ancient A&H 8 Bus - and - quess what - one of your stereo Electra rack eqs . . Its taken a few sessions to find out where to put it, and with what, but gota say - my mixes tonight sounded TOP DOG, JUST THE WAY I HAD IN MY HEAD.. A PRO SOUNDING mix..Very cool kit.. loving it..
I bought it from Studio Care UK - I think it must have been the last one in the World .. lol
Anyways, thanks bud ..
I not only love his content but also his soothing voice❤️👍...few days back youtube recommended me his chennal and I Watched all his videos in a go.
I can’t tell you how helpful your videos are for me. Every day I mix. And almost every day I feel completely defeated. Your videos help me regroup and try to take the hill the next day. Thank you man.
gregory scott a true life saver
I’m the exact same, always mixed in my vocals last, just easier way to mix. Getting the track sitting right then you only have the vocal to worry about.
Number one rule, there is none, do what works for you. But I’m glad I’m not the only one that that understands this process.
ever since i first heard sneaky little devil, i thought yeah im listening to this guy for tips, those productions and mixes are masterful, thats my aim, to get that good , so glad you do these. I have always mixed music first too, glad i'm not off the ball doing that
yeah man! This is why i like space echo's so much! You can dial 'em in until the point you can't hear 'em. But you can feel them. Kinda like short reverb/ambience. Especially on shorter times (slap delays). This gives a vocal so much depth. I love doin' this on my drums as well.
Great video! Keep it up!
Love this concept. I had never thought about this, but it rings completely true.
I've always done the vocal last as I just assumed it was the logical way to do it. Guess I missed the video telling me I should do it first. The perils and rewards of self learning. Love these little lectures, always enlightening and a pleasure to soak in. Many thanks.
This, and other tips like the rule of +/- 2 components from song sections has been helping me re approach the idea of actually arranging some complexity into my hardcore punk arrangements. Looking forward to applying this video's tips as well and getting some life and motion into the instrumentals of a genre thats otherwise regarded as "be loud and fast all the time" and then following it up with strong, intelligible vocals to sit on top
Love it Greg!
Wow. Thanks for that, Gregory. I learn something from every one of your videos. Cheers.
To much knowledge and realism in this package to respond effectively to it all❤️
I record my raw vocal with a guitar behind me.... then I build my music for the song. After that’s finished, I re-record my lead and backup vocals.
Ty for saying that so now “It’s not just me “ that’s doing that. I want the arrangement to be jamming before I mess with it. Great video man!
Amazing video. Thank you.
so good thanks a lot youre the best mix guru in youtube
As always, you say what I feel in my heart but never hear others say.
You have an awesome talent for communication, teaching, and making complex topics into simple, easy-to-digest information. I really enjoy your videos and the way you work. Thank you so much for amazing content!!!
Great tips! Thank you!
Dude thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and experience!
My pleasure!
Such valuable info here. Thank you. Takes. Few times to really get it all in.
Thank you thank you, I haven’t really thought about vox like this before and it makes so much sense, the natural delay from our surroundings and everything. This is incredible information.
Glad it was helpful!
Another great video. Thank you.
Im glad its not just me mixes the music as an instrumental- seems the way to do it workflow wise for me and computer power wise - adding vocal stems to a bounced down instrumental - keeps it snappy - thanks again Gregory for the tips on frequency and fx
Here I was thinking I was wrong this whole time. Thanks for the encouragement Dr. Sexy!