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The Vietnam War started with the US still having military shotguns left over from WWII, and needing ones for our South Vietnamese allies who tended to be of smaller stature. Rather than develop a stringent MILSPEC shotgun, the Army went shopping for off the shelf items. This led to an assortment of combat shotguns being utilized. As a collector, you can build a small but a significant collection of the different shotgun types used. Originals used in Vietnam are difficult to acquire because most were left behind (unless Vietnam decides to put them on the international surplus weapon market some day).
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One of the nightmares that I brought home from the war involved an Ithaca shotgun with flechette rounds. We were on an ambush just outside Camp Haskins near Danang. I was in my sleep shift while one of my buddies was on watch. We had been issued the Ithaca at the briefing, I had that gun, my buddy had his M-16A1. I awoke to a strange gurrgling sound, a VC had infiltrated our position and cut my buddies throat. Since I was a few yards away in some thick bush they had not noticed me, thank God I didn't snore back then or I surely would have been dead. I crept into the area where my buddy had been sitting and found two VC searching his body and the ambush area. I opened up on them with the 12 gauge and took them out, it was a real mess. Now I always read how bad those flechette round performed, but for me, they actually gutted the VC. they were dead before they hit the sand. What stays with me to this day was the age of the 2 boys, one 16 the other 14 but both carried SKS rifles and had plenty of ammo as well as the combat knife they use to kill my buddy that night.
Jesus Christ. I pray that you’re not making this up, and if so I pray that you found peace after all those years. Thanks sir
@74nova36 don't you take the Lord's name in vain when praying for someone.
Awesome.. Scary but awesome. Thank you for keeping us free and allowing my lifetime to be so worry free. I was in us army 1998 but no combat.
Things that never happened
Sorry sir and respect
Bought the Mossberg 590 in 1991 just after the gulf war. Still use it for security, hunting, and just fun. Never had a problem.
Bought one a few years ago and I absolutely love it. The front sight is slightly canted, as is the one in the replacement barrel they sent but, the gun definitely still works and works well.
I fired a 870 once.
Just picked up one about two years ago. No complaints. BTW....they even cycle those mini shells with the help of a mini clip insert.
Same. Those things are built like a brick shithouse
We always had a bunch of mossys on the racks and a few 870s reason is simple mossys where cheap to buy 870s cost alot more and in my opinion 870 has much nicer feel and will out last typically most mossys .
My cousin was issued a savage shotgun during vietnam.Ive got the original paperwork where it was issued from the armory.Ive also got a picture of my cousin in uniform carrying the shotgun.Troops needed shotguns and guns were found for them.Im currently building a repro and when its done Im gifting it to my cousin.
I was in the Army in Vietnam in the Phu Than Valley (near Quihnon) 1966-67 and we had Winchester Mod. 97 12 ga. trench guns and as I recall they were in excellent condition, walnut stock, deep blue finish, not parkerized. We mainly used them for guard duty.
Still issuing 97's? Those were ancient by the time Vietnam rolled around! As long as it got the job done is all that matters though. Thank you for your Vietnam service sir!
I would have been right at home with an 1897 or Model 12 Winchester. Grew up hunting with both. A load of buckshot is a pretty good confidence tool in a tight spot. And the small riot control bird shot he mentions in the video really would sting like a major bee swarm.
Thanks for serving Gary, my dad was over there too. Thanks again.
Those Winchester 1897 bolts could bite, couldn't they?! HA HA! Another slam fire classic with no disconnector!
yes i was in Vietnam in 67 i had a model 97 I liked it better for ambushes they always worked
I carried a shotgun briefly in Vietnam, I thought it was an Ithaca pump,I bought a Remington 870 when I got back to the states, still have an 870
It very well could have possibly been. I know that the M37 served for a long time, it and many variants of the Savage pump guns served in Vietnam. My son who was an armorer briefly and he is stent with the US Army said that they still had savage model 67 riot guns in their inventory and that was in 2014. Crazy right? He took pictures and also he carried one to his first tax payer vacation to beautiful Helomond Province Afghanistan, along with his new, we are talking brand new FN M4A2 carbine. He said he felt well armed. He also carried what he said was one of the last Beretta M92A1 .9mm handguns. He was in a special group of individuals that wore green berets. He said it was a fun loving group of guys. 😂 He said the training for the use of a combat shotgun was something different and his training he received at home from his dad was way more non forgiving and after getting into "country" he was the go to guy to be shown how to in the use of a combat shotgun within his "cult" so the fun loving guys in this unit called themselves after being spat on in an airport by a true American Patriot so she called herself. She informed them they were no more than the a cult. She was hauled off to jail where I understand her patriot status was highly questioned by some believe it or not US Flag loving gals that assured her by using some tactics that she in fact was not an American Patriot but a damn communist terrorist. Poor thing. 😂😂😂😂😂 Sorry I got off topic.
My dad used a shotgun a few times in Vietnam.
Mostly on Laos Cambodia border.
870 was his suggestion.
In 1960, US gave us shotguns to defend against VC. Later on M1 carbines were provided.
Yup the ARVN were given a lot of WW2 Weapons then later on in the War they were issued M-14's and M-16's.
Hey, the French chose the M1 Carbine wisely. A heavy block of ballistic clay will make someone a believer! But 00 buck has saved me a couple times.
I saw a 173d soldier carrying a 97 Winchester at Dak To in late '67. I asked him about it and he told me he was issued it. So there was at least 1 still in use at that time.
Retired law enforcement here, I had a sergeant who was in Vietnam. He said he used a shotgun for most of his tour. He said the jungle was so thick you could only see 5 to 7 yards, if at all that far. He did say if they were in open area, he'd scrounge up a rifle.
Yeah Dak To 1967 … 1967 1st Cavalry grunt …
Chris, I saw that you did not think any of the 870 Remington USMC guns were offered for private sale. I was in USN Seabees in 1975 stationed at Guantanamo at the time. All of the USMC and Seabees that worked out on the fence line and other areas that we had to draw a weapon to go to work were offered the opportunity to purchase either a Winchester 12 or 870 that were being removed from service. The reason was they were deleting all of the shotguns that had a 2 3/4" receiver and moving to 3" receivers only. I thought that was strange since all of our ammo was 2 3/4" Winchester OO buck and some various 2 3/4" slugs. The price back then was $75 each and weapon would be held for us in the base armory. They were mostly the short about 20" barrel, M-16 bayonet mount with 5 shot tube and rifle sights with improved cylinder choke, Garand sling and no heat shield. There were about 50 available, I wish I had purchased all of them. Never realized it was such a rare opportunity, thanks for posting great vids, Semper Fi.
I believe the switch to 3 inch chamber models only was for some added reliability on ejection with the slightly longer ejection port. Also probably easier to remove a stuck shell if it doesn't eject. There's also the added benefit of the gun being able to handle a 3 inch shell if one by some freak occurrence worms its way through acquisitions.
In the Coast Guard we got hand me downs from the Marines and Navy... Winchester model 12......1969 to 1973
This right here is why assault weapon is ridiculous. The democrats would consider any weapon used by the military an assault weapon which could be a lot of common weapons we all own.
Some Winchester 1200's were used in Vietnam as well with heat shields and bayonet lugs.
I was lucky enough to carry the WWII Ithaca Combat shotgun 37, which had Gold engraved hunting scenes on both sides.. Loaded from the bottom, ejected spent shells from the bottom. Navy SEABEES, NMCB 10.
I love hearing about Seabees unexpectedly. I’m in NMCB 3 just got back from a det in the pacific
@@JA-qs7jm Yo Bro. Safe & Sound, Body & "SOUL". Pacific detail and coming back home is excellent. Slave labor for 9 plus months, concrete pours 16 to 30 hours a day, one meal a day if you ate with the Mess cooks breakfast. Always the first day we had to fight the cooks. Cooks every day after hated us. Dinner was from the sea. Joined Seabees because they hounded me for years. I was a union Drywaller in high school. Bees come recruiting in the construction unions. For years told different recruiters was going to join the Marines. In 1970 Seabees gave me a good deal to join the Seabees. 1970----1975. GOOD LUCK
Thoroughly enjoyed. Keep 'em coming.
I have an 8 shot Mossberg 500, The shorter riot issue style. The two best sounds a pump action makes, That slide being pumped and the bark of the shot, no mistaking either. Cant beat a classic.
The 590A1 is worth it's weight in gold, extremely versatile.
Our "Point Man'' carried a shotgun during ground operations. When you heard it go off, you knew "shits-a- goen" to begin . USMC Vietnam !
Did he carry a semi auto?
@@greasyflight6609 Don't really remember clearly. I believe it was semi. I was a mortarman. 11C (0341 USMC) MOS moved in main body.
Thank you for your service. My dad was in the USMC from 53 -60 before joining the army. For his last 2 combat tours he was stationed at SFG camp A325 Duc Hue.
RIP dad.
Gary Goofy Grape Gilmer
@@cervezadog6957 Thanks to your Father on his honorable service. When returning from my tour in Nam I was at the end of my USMC service. Came home & was asked to join the local USMC Company based in my home town. There was no mortar section in this unit ( it was a split unit with their Weapons Platoon in another town) I was asked to join the Army National Guard unit here. They had mortars. Stayed in this unit for many years! Thanks for your conversation .
@@Mrmikemike46 Where are you from? My sister was born at Womack army hospital on Ft. Bragg, but my mom unleashed me on the world two months early. I started my life by ruining the couch that my dad had just bought several months earlier before going back to Vietnam. He didn't know if I was a boy or girl until Saigon Sally or Hanoi Hannah mentioned me over the radio. A few days later my dad got a box of cigars from my grandfather saying it's a boy.😆 I still live in Fayetteville NC next to Bragg. Have a great day brother. 🇺🇸💪
It’s cool to have a TH-cam channel committed to our Vietnam Heroes & Shotguns, rather than your usual run of the mill TH-cam channel all about Rifles & Pistols! So a big Thank You from all us Patriots & Shotgun enthusiasts!
Every KIA American soldier is a blessing. Communism will win.
When I retired after 23 years of service from LAPD, I purchased a Dept stamped Ithaca Model 37. Something to pass along to my grandkids.
Ithaca model 37 DS police special is a great rifle, I have it and it is very reliable and sturdy, maybe a little heavy but still stable, hello from Italy.
I grew up in Ithaca, NY I have a Ithaca 37 Deer Slayer Feather light.
With interchangeable barrels.
One 19" rifled barrel for deer and a longer duck & goose barrel.
My dad Bought it as a present for my 18th Bday in 81'
Still have it, and love it.
Does your 37 "slam fire"?
Mine doesn't, Ithaca Gun redesigned the trigger assembly in the late 70's I think
I had a Reminton 870 for years. Used it for hunting and got my first dear with a slug. Great gun.
Good informative and educational presentation. Very concise information. They don't teach like this anymore. This is old school teaching, 5 👍thumbs up sir.
My father was issued a Remington 870 back in the 60s and always stood by how effective they were. I was issued a 590 my time in and I see what he means. There a reason they call it “shotgun diplomacy”
Was the ol' shotty a one shot stopper?
The fast attack sub I was on, back in the late 90's/early 2000's, had Mossy 500's. Short barrel and a full synthetic field style stock. Great video and info!!!!
My Benelli M-2 with extended magazine tube works terrific. Oh, I served 3yrs in the Marine Corps and 20 in the Army as a Military Policeman.
4:11 Duck Bill and yeah they worked. With #4 buck
I cut my deer hunting M97 down to 13 inch length of pull just for the same reason they had short stocks on the riot guns ! With a heavy shirt and hunting coat on it fit about right and came up fast !
His comment about the duck bill attachment is not true. Just read the book POINT MAN by James " Patches" Watson. His "Baby" as he called it, was devastating at close range in the jungles of Vietnam. It is useless at longer ranges only. It was designed for close in work which the US Navy Seals excelled at in South and North Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia. But you didn't hear it from me!
Lots of demos on YT. Some styles work better than others, but overall they work just fine. If you want a horizontal pattern.
That Winchester M1897 really made the rounds in its lifetime.
I’m surprised all these New Jersey folks didn’t faint at the sight of all these guns...
Magic man make things dissapeared like David coper field
Buck shot quickely
oh you're tiresome
They aren’t fully semi auto enough
My favorite close combat weapon. Hands down the best choice over an SMG or pistol. I have a Franchi Sapas 12, Mossberg M 590 20" w bayonet light, heat shield and the 18.5" with wiid furniture witch was the milspec M500. I bought a 20" Remington 870 and tac rigged it with everything I could find. I love my shotguns. Recently got a side by side double barrel coach gun. Most fun of all.
"I'm still trying to figure out the ammunition" in regards to breaching and then someone REALLY uneducated answers: "It's ceramic"... *
Thanks for the memories...I was a door breacher on a team and haven't heard "AVON" in awhile. 👍
I was an MP at Ft. Leonard Wood, MO. In 1974. We had a riot in the Disciplinary Barracks and were forced to use the skip fire action when about 40 prisioners got over both the inner and outer fence. We all used the Winchester 1897 with 18” bayonet.
Fantastic. I wondered how long the 97 was still "issue".
There were very few Winchester "Riot Guns" used by the Corps (normally used at brig's). I saw a few policed up after a battle. Hold the trigger, shuck another round and it fired. Shuck A Matic. Very desirable but ammo was scarce.
Lol this guy did NOT want the lingering conversation- clearly not his first rodeo - great video
Hmm, I acquired a Mil spec 590 from a Marine Recon who 'kinda' smuggled it to me (ARMY XVIII Airborne Spcl Warfare here) while in VN as I was NOT a big fan of the then POS 16 in heavy foliage (can I say 'nearly' worthless?) Served me well, as I'm still here:) Thing was tough as could be, would easily lay a man out when used as a club, bucked like a mule when fired, but WOULD rack and fire every god damned time, which was a BIG plus with YOUR ass on the line. Thx Mossberg:)
I have used those Marine Corps 870's They were issued to us when I was in the Marine Detachment, USS Midway cv-41. They were parkerized though. and the front sight was a thin blade with bead on top snaped off easily . they Make Navy Chiefs move like lighting when you stick the muzzle in their faces, I know and it was fun. that was in 1977
Ithaca is the best. Built for right handed shooters because of the slide release and safety. Unfortunately it is very expensive compared to others.
That single op rod on the pump action had a spot weld holding it connected that had a tendency to break ! Seen it more than once .
I carried the Ithica 37 in the 1970's on guard duty while in the marine corps. with three rounds of 2-3/4" o.o buck on each tour guard duty. Geeze was hoping the A team would show up if I get into some serious trouble out there.
Did you ever see any of the flechette rounds?
Texas prison system still uses the 870. They were as fine of a shotgun ever made.
Remington 870 is and will always be the best pump gun ever designed. America baby
@Bo Cephus do time there?
870s are amazing but not perfect. The major flaw being that the ejector spring and ejector bar are riveted on using rivets that are welded into the receiver. The Mossberg uses a screw.
@@jeramyw one of the main reasons I went with a mossberg 500 instead of an 870 when I bought my shotgun a few years back. That and Winchester’s QC has gone downhill in recent years
My late Grandfather was in Vietnam and he said that he carried a shotgun because he said he was a bad shot and he wanted to hit whatever he pointed at! lol
This sounds untrue for a number of reasons.
Breaching rounds are not ceramic. 12 gauge 2¾ inch (70 mm) shells which uses a 600 grain (1.4 ounce) projectile made of powdered steel. The steel is loaded in a very thick solid non-grooved flight control style wad. made by Federal Cartridge. High brass with brown plastic hull, roll crimped at the mouth over a rubber disk to water proof. Each shell is marked "Crtg, 12 Gauge Breaching M1030" in silver print. The brass is head stamped "FC 07 12ga m1030.
Thanks for contributing your knowledge.
The Ithaca 37 is a GREAT close quarters 12 Guage.
Two things I love most about my Ithaca, is the downward ejection, vs right side ejection that most pumps have.
Although I am right handed, I shoot left handed.
The other thing I love about it was my Dad bought it for my 18th birthday in 81'...
I still remember driving the 2 miles from our house to the Ithaca gun factory.
Yea, we lived in Ithaca, Going to highschool, I use to ride my bike down the hill, right past the factory everyday.
Unfortunately, a parking lot sits where the factory once stood.
All that remains now is a 150' chimney with white bricks spelling out Ithaca Gun.
So happy I came across your channel.
Very informative! Thanks!
Hatton rounds were used for breaching by the SAS decades ago, composed of lead powder and wax. Flechettes were also used in 2.75 rockets by ARA units in Vietnam.
U.S. artillery also had the “BeeHive” round that fired a shotgun blast 105 or 155 of flechettes. If the enemy was on the wire, zero elevation, and shred the bad guys. As a military cadet,1960, I stuffed a broomstick down a 37mm cannon facing out over a lake...BOOM! not a spear, but a blast of splinters. Did I invent the flechette round??
My dad worked for the government and was in Vietnam From 1966-1968. They had a 97 Winchester that he and his house mates were issued as well as M1 and M2? Carbines that they all carried in their vehicles
M2 carbine was the full auto version of the M1 carbine
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I did my basic training and AIT in 82 at Ft Sill,OK. The MP's on base carried Mossberg model 500's. Everyone I seen had a civilian blued finish on their 18 inch barrels, a black anodized finish on their receivers and wooden stocks and forearms - and a 5 shot magazine. None had a bayonet lug or a heat shield.
They did at the payroll building
Wow thanks for sharing !
Very interesting, especially for me. I was the shotgun guy in my unit during the late 80s. We were just stood up and had a unique mission for the time. (USMC) I could have used a 870 but preferred an old Stevens that my First Sgt. Said was Vietnam. Apparently it was even older than that as it was a 520-30! Great gun, I need to pick up another.
The n Stevens 520--30 never had the cachet of the Winchester but was still used in quantity. I have met MPs who said that was the gun they had. An original US marked one will cost less than a Winchester 12.But as collectors have "discovered" this firearm the prices have climbed.
@@stang3787 while the 520-30 is gaining value you can still pick up western field or jc Higgins marked 520s cheap. I checked yesterday 😉
@@hillbillynick2000 This might be a good investment as collectors move from the few expensive Model 12's with US markings out there to US marked Stevens. Almost any US marked riot or trench gun will probably go up in value as interest in them continues to grow.
I was in Vietnam from July 1969 to Sept. 1970. I saw a lot of shotguns and they were all Savage. Also the M79 grenade launcher could shoot a buckshot round which was quite effective. If the shot didn't get you the plastic wad could do some damage.
How did an M79 fire a shotgun round?
@@greasyflight6609 It was a round plastic wad with holes on the outside in a circle. The center was a hole with buckshot. The plastic wad with the holes would slow down the wad then the
lead buckshot would propel forward. I might add that the plastic wad was about a inch or more from the metal casing. It worked fine. If the shot did not get you the wad would. My favorite was the willie peter (white phosphorus).
I carried a stevens 12ga. walking point on dismounted patrol or ambush squad in vietnam. Also had the stevens 12 ga issued at ft benning, ga. 4th div. Very useless if you could not get ammo for the weapon.
The older Ithaca 37s were slam fire too. Just hold the trigger back and pump, that baby will keep firing.
Most m16 bayonets in Vietnam war was made in Fremont Ohio by Northcut Cutlery on North Street, in a garage.
Neat little tid bit of my home state.
I remember in the late '80s there was a limited edition Stevens pump shotgun short buttstock Vietnam tribute model
A couple of things. I’ve got one of the Stevens 77E that is stamped US and SCHD. When I bought it at a gun show, it came from a small police force here in South Carolina. The seller said it was stamped SCHD because it was used when they used chain gangs, that’s what they used. I worked for SCHD in Engineering, so I didn’t think that was right, but I bought it. I mentioned to a friend that was Colonel of the Highway Patrol and he said in late 60’s, all the Patrol had was .38 revolvers, so they went to Alabama and picked them up for riot control. The other thing is, I’ve a friend that was in Vietnam and he said that’s what he carried. He said when he first got there, they captured a Viet Cong that had one and he took it. The stock had been cut off, so he whittled one out of a board for the stock.
Congratulations. For those who don't know SCHD guns are the 77Es that actually were once owned by the US Army.
I have a Stevens 77e U.S. and SCHD marked that I picked up from J&K Gun shop* on Hwy17 Moncks Corner for $150.00
* No longer in business.
I purchased 3 of a total of 5 Steven's 77E SCHD marked shotguns from a shop around Charleston ( not J&K) in the late 90's, I kept one. At the time, Northridge in CA was selling unissued stock assemblies that allowed some of the cracked stocks to be repaired.
Aww, no mention of the Remington 7188? The full auto version of the Remington 1100, I believe they were given to Seals.
I was also very disappointed about the fact that no mention of the 12ga. Select fire Remington shotgun Model 7188 was made. It was issued to U.S. Navy Seals in Vietnam.
Excellent presentation as always.
870 Tac. You know How we do It down here In Playasville .
Great talk! I thought I knew all about combat shotguns and I learned some things! Good work
NJ makes being a gun owner such a drag, which is why I escaped and never looked back. My understanding is that it's gotten worse in the past 30 years.
I now live in the most gun-friendly state in the union: West Virginia, with the highest per capita ownership in America and the world, including the NFA weapons. We have an M16 and an M60 in the family, as well as a bunch of cans.
Excellent presentation.!.!.!
Thank you very much I really enjoyed your thorough detail.!.!.!
Tell the folks in the back to save the conversation for break time..lol
I love the 870.... grew up on a wingmaster.....
B L same.
870 and 1200 are a good shotguns, very reliable and while I can certainly see how shotguns would be an outstanding tool in Vietnam. A pump action would definitely by the shotgun of choice, far more reliable than a semi auto and more rounds than a double barrel. HOWEVER, without a clip and given the size of the 12 Ga. shell, reloading would take a lot of precious time in a fire fight.
Great video, Thank you !👍
Excellent history, much appreciated, thanks.
I was in the seven sisters region most of my time around Cambodia a Laos the combat shotgun played a big part in close quarters. Little-known fact the foreign governments wanted to ban the shotgun saying it was against the Geneva convention. Anyone that carried one would not let it go.
You can use wax slugs for a breaching round. Or frangible slugs. You can find them quite often and they are not that expensive.
Prob why Stevens stocks are so strong now,ye ol overcompensation 😅
The 77E also had alloy trigger guards which also were not a good replacement for steel which became MILSPEC.
I know 00 was probably the standard but was anything else used? Like 4buck or slugs maybe for some reason?
Highest Regards To You Sir. I read authentic historic documents that the British Killed Communist Criminals very successfully in the early 1950s Malayan Emergency using Belgium Browning A5 Automatics and 28 Pellet #4 Buck. Of course 00 Penetrates Better, but the Pro Mao Tse Tung Insurgents in Malaya weren’t wearing body armor! For men like us in today’s environment of historic crisis I recommend Federal Flite Control 00 Buck it grants TWICE the lethal range and EXCELLENT penetration.
Great vidio .I love shotguns. I know there limited range but up close I would feel the most affective with one for defence . But Im no expert
Carried a Mossberg 590 in Iraq and I own one as a civilian never had a issue with it I got permission from my co in my NG company since I had one and was allowed to bring it from home since we only had 2 shotguns for the entire company and it worked flawless
How was it spec’d out?
My father and my Uncle Tom were both sent to Korea dad in the army my Uncle Tom in the marines ,
my father the younger of the two brothers and the never seen each other or talked until they returned from Korea, but they both had grandma ship them there shotguns from home , and both returned with their tommy guns ... my father was in a tiny armored Jeep that was a tank hunter but it was open in the back so if they got hit or broke down they had too fight their way back . Just funny how they both ended up with the same weapons for hand to hand combat back to their position.
this was awesome!!!
my dad was in ww2 he had a Thompson machine gun while guarding the ship he was on , later shot 40 mm for planes
I was notified by the former company commander of C/4-31 IN that his RTO, a BJ Benoit from Chicago, carried a 12 gauge ( make and model unknown) that was used to clear trees of the enemy.
Rto and officers were the most likely to have shotguns in vietnam, alsp MPs and lrrps
I have a version of the Stevens 520, almost like a Ranger 30, although it doesn't actually say "Stevens" anywhere on it. It has the Browning patient mark. A "Montgomery Ward Western Field Browning model 30". Has a bird dog hunting scene engraved on the receiver, 26in (non vented) rib bbl, take down, will slam fire too. Looks very similar to a 520. It's a a heavy tank of a gun but soaks up the recoil quite effectively, very fun old shotgun. Got a Mossberg 600AT also. The original vent rib bbl was cut too short when I acquired it, so I put a plain old cyl bore 18in bbl on it. Makes a great defensive pump gun now. Lotta fun. Love me some shotguns. Nice informative little demo, thanks for sharing it 👍
I was with a Marine Staff Sergeant who used a Model 97 to dispatch two V.C. who had tripped a flare along a trail one night! He did this with two shots. I have done a lot of research which stated that the Model 97 was never issued to U.S. Marines. Marine Corps Staff Non Commissioned Officers are adept at trading for what they need. This video clears up probably how the Staff Sergeant obtained his Model 97. BTW: he was carrying brass shells for the shotgun...
When I rode the Navy PBR's (assault craft) I was told that they were expecting to receive flechette rounds for their 40mm M-79 grenade launchers to use clearing the decks of an enemy sampan or junk. Now, an effective 40mm shotgun would be a hell of a weapon - even if it was a single shot model!
Dis the 2 vc drop like a sack of potatoes? That's what my grandpa said the shotgun did.
@@nickleback3695 I seem to remember them being "pushed" backward.
Were the vc immediately incapacitated after being hit?
Was at Naval Weapons Station Beach 2003-2006...
We had 5 racks full of low serial number (XX000xxx) Remington 870s.
Super Super video! Thank you for the content and efforts 😊
I need 9000000000000 of those to buy ok
Thank you sir for your presentation.
The diverter on the end of a Ithaca 37 was called the "duck bill".
everything is illegal in jersey 😖
I want an 1897 but crazy prices now ugh , should have bought one 30 years ago
I wached the whole presentation. Thank you.
The presentation skipped over the Winchester 1200 quickly. Who used it and was it in Vietnam in large numbers? Be interested to know what unit the man doing the presentation was in as he mentions he used one whilst in the Vietnam War.
I don't know how many 1200's were used in Vietnam. I was in the 50th MP Company, New Jersey National Guard. Those were the 1200's I mentioned in presentation. My regular Army MP unit, 502nd MP Company of the Second Armored Division, Ft. Hood, Texas did not have any shotguns.
I was issued a Winchester well after the Vietnam war. It was for 'special' guard duties.
In 68 & 69, one of 12 GI's Perimeter in a Med Cep Village, south of 4th Division Base Camp with about 100 Popular Forces They all had their regular weapons (M 16's & AK 47's) plus, there were a verity of shotgun models in every perimeter bunker for nearly each of them to defend against a perimeter breach. Supplied by the CIA
great stuff, keep it up!
The m37 slam fires. As well as the winchester 97, or 12 i believe.. I know for sure the m37 because I own one and its fun to shoot. wish this function would have bee mentioned.
@ Chris Butler .. The shotgun has always been versatile protector .. I loved this video .. Learned about the Shotgun from Family in The Carolina’s .. Do you offer a class on operating them for defense ?? .. Shotgun was definitely my family’s 1 go to .. An 357 & 41 mag wheelers …
Im USAF Weapons Loader and was trained on the Winchester 1200 in the late 80s. We were issued it for Nuclear convoy duty. I loved the the Winchester 1200 and the training was fun. We shot 2 and 3/4 inch 00 buck. I lean towards the Mossbergs Because I’m a lefty though, the safety is really nice.
Great presentation Chris.
You missed the Winchester M1200 from VietNam and up till the 90s. Still had one in trench gun configuration on property books in Afghanistan when we shut down in 2021. Breaching round is the M1030' I also had the Remington 870 MCS with 10", 14" and 18" bbls in Iraq/Afghanistan. The M26 MASS is what big Army uses for its masterkey. Also had the Mossberg 500A and Benelli M4 in Astan. Today have a Mossberg 500A here in Iraq again.
Thank you for this detailed video. My father served 2 tours in Vietnam as part of the 509th RR GRP. He told me that he carried a 12ga. strapped to his ALICE pack while on patrol and that he'd had to use it on some uncomfortable occasions. This video really brings me closer to the hero I lost a few years ago. Thank you.
Not sure why USA police would need a bayonet lug on shotguns, hardly b allowed to bayonet the general public even in 70’s
The old Plainfield M1 carbine. Mine is still kicking! Oh and yes they may not be a collector grade weapon but it sure is worth more than the $159 bucks I paid for it. I’ll keep it as one of my main shooter M1 carbines, of which I have about all the commercial grade M1 carbines I know of plus every US contract M1 carbines. Now on war shotguns, I have managed over 40 years to pretty much collect all of them I know of. There are more than folks realize. Both the Winchester 1887 and 1893 and 1897 are not the first shotguns the US military had. Single shot and double barrel shotguns were purchased by the US military plus black powder shotguns most of which the US Navy bought to repel boarders from wind powered sailing ships.
got my stevens 77e at a gun show years ago for 75 bucks,been using it for turkey hunting for years
You can trade it in from a collector and get 3 brand new commercial hunting grade turkey guns and some ammo!
Ash shoot it .that's what it was made for .u bought it so use it how u want. Some people just like to look at em but not me
I’d legit buy it from you if you PM me.
The m37 is the smoothest most refined pump action shotgun made today.
Dudes the real deal..... RESPECT....
I told the padre the truth, man: I like it here. You get to do what you want. Nobody f***s with you. The only worry you got is dyin', and if that happens you won't know about it anyway. So what the f***, man?
- Bunny (platoon)
I thought about Bunny also when I watched this, "here piggy piggy! 😆
Yep!
Haha - brought back memories
My brother has a shotgun he inherited from our father who died in 57. He was in WWll and brought back a few firearms when he returned to the states. 1 was a German Luger. 1 was a German made Drilling (two .16 ga. over a 9.3x72r). 1 was a Stevens Model M720 .12 ga. semi-auto. It was very similar to the Remington Model 11 and it may have even had interchangeable parts with the Model 11.