BOATBUILDING - Repairing a HOLE in a STEEL Hull!
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We found a big hole in our 82ft project ship.
Luckily we are still on the hard in the shipyard.
That makes it a lot easier to repair the damage.
So let’s find out how to close a hole in a 72 year old rusty steel boat.
After many considerations we decided to close it with an overplating.
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I do want to point out that all welders working on FLYING CONEY are professional and certified and all welds had been tested. We are very satisfied how the repairs turned out and the lads in the shipyard have done an amazing job to bring the ship back to life. The hull plates are from older steel, it's not iron but it's not new steel either, it's harder to weld and the welds do not look as beautiful. But the plates are welded in multiple passes and the end result looks good enough. As far as I know we are the only historic steel boat restoration here on TH-cam, so you have to take my word that what we're doing is industry standard and state of the art. I trust these lads with my live! Also what you see in the video is not the end result because we choose to end the video with a funny moment!
These welds do not look okay to me . There will be water between the plate and the hull and it will rust much faster . And why is he stick welding instead of MAG welding it . And why not shape the plate first and then weld it in place . Paying a lot of money extra now . Sorry to say but that is what I see in this video as a professional welder in this video .
100% not good, you can NOT make a sandwich point for moisture and more rust to form.
The only way is to cut out a section and weld in a new one, not slapping plate over holes.
This is terrible.
One pinhole leak in that welding and you have water between two untreated (outer/inner) steel plates.
The whole ship is built with untreated steel plates nailed together with felt in between them. Riveted ships are leaking when you put them in the water for about a week until all that tiny holes are tight once more. Flying Coney is an historic boat built with completely different materials and methods compared to a modern welded steel yacht. I'm no welding expert but the yard has a good reputation and they repair a lot of similar boats there. We and a lot of other customers are satisfied with the result. Could it be more beautiful? Yes. Does it do the trick? Also yes. I don't want to be rude and I'm still grateful for your comment!
@@FlyingConey I could be wrong but I think you will find that the hull is iron plates, not mild steel? We used to call it black Iron. But as I said I could be way out on that assumption. btw, you are not rude, I appreciate your comments. 😀
Don't let the naysayers get to you. There is another TH-cam channel that I follow called "Ship Happens". It belongs to an English couple that bought an 80 foot wooden boat off of eBay for next to nothing. It was a former RN ship that I believe participated in the Dunkirk evacuation. I could not believe they would even try restoring it and I commented on that. Rotten from one end to the other. What they have done is amazing. They aren't fighting a somewhat rusty hull, they are literally replacing every frame and stringer. I'm convinced they will have a beautiful boat when they are finished.
Sarinda is 70ft and took part in the d day landings but yeah great channel and sarinda is an amazing ship she is just up the eastruy from my boat
I think FLYING CONEY is the biggest operational ship here on TH-cam and the refit is quite a challenge. But every time I watch Ship Happens I think to my self, "well it could be worse." 🤣 It would be great to visit Sarinda in the future.
@@FlyingConey A colab would be great. They've already done a few with other channels so this shouldn't be too difficult to arrange. A lot cheaper than flying to America to work on Aurora.
@@FlyingConey The other channels to reach out to is Project Brupeg. They're restoring a steel boat in Australia and just had a massively successful fundraiser for a new engine. They should be able to help with community building strategy and in growing your Patreon. Very caring and helpful people, so definitely reach out to them and ask for help.
@@FlyingConey I would say the aroura is the biggest
You're all doing a great job folks. Big cheers to Luka for his hull repairs. He's doing a brilliant job. I've been there, done that and he's the right man for that job.
Hello you two your looking much more relaxed . From what I'm told and understand in you case over plating is the best option because of age on the hull not all steel is the same with age yours has gotten thinner of course but also weaker it tends to flex more and the new plate will not so if you had flush welded it could cause stress at the weld point ,besides who's going to know after she's back in the water just you two and all off us 😉.AND WE PROMISE not to tell .you should tease that young man and tell him to quit poking holes just so he can keep working on Flying Coney .he did a good job and i really liked that he got advice on how to do a proper job of it .have a good week see you soon .👋
Жесть.. сдать на металл.. не страшно на таком в море? решето же. дублировка ненадолго!
Those patch plate welds look terrible. They need to be done properly.
You two are an inspiration to us all.. It just shows what can be achieved with teamwork, a positive attitude and an awful lot of very hard work. My favourite vlog. I am retired and disabled now so I live my life vicariously through your shows. Wonderful stuff!!!
And this is where I get turned off by people who buy into a project and then they start a go fund me page. This is your project! your responsibility. Financially. If you couldn't afford the refit in first place, then you should have bought a smaller boat that was ready to sail. Now you want to depend on others to help you finish what you started is ridiculous! I will now unsubscribe...
Feel free to do so! But for your information, we have enough fundings to finish the project, but why are you expecting us to work for free? Making this videos is a full time job. And I can't see what's wrong to ASK people who enjoy watching them for help so we can afford to produce them. We love to share the project but at one point we have to make the decision if we continue with TH-cam or if we use Flying Coney as the source of our income. So if it helps, patrons paying for the videos they enjoy watching and as a benefit they get more involved in the project. It turned out we need something to eat and if we have no money to buy it, there will be no videos.
Then don't ask people to pay for a channel that's free for US to watch and then use that money to fund your project. I too am restoring a sailboat. But i post my progress on a FB forum. This was my decision to get this boat in which me and my wife have a financial obligation to fix her up. Not have others pay for my decision. And it's free to make TH-cam videos but you have ads now so you probably signed something where ubhave to make content so many times a week. Again, a decision you want others to pay for. Nobody else but you will profit from it and to me, that's not a good investment. Good luck.
Thank you and good luck with your restoration project. First we put very few add breaks on for a better viewing experience. Second, the income from YT is relatively small. Feel free to make videos and if you have 1000 subscribers and 4000 hours of watch time you can be a YT partner. What people do you expect to put the work in to make videos? Are only millionaires allowed to share a project like that. Again we're hoping for support that we can afford to make the videos. It will take up a long long time until I got my money back I put into the project. The boat's the hobby. If you enjoy the videos that's what you're getting back. For free or for a voluntary donation.
You guys are doing everything right but in the wrong place
In England we have a welding process called mig mig inherit gas we weld the hull with a different process much faster and easier than stick welding
Stick welding is in the dark ages these days
We understand overplating is the best option for a riveted ship we have the Ross tiger in Grimsby the last of the deep water trawlers from Grimsby we look after her accordingly we all understand dogging and wedging and over plating is a method of repair but it’s still a patch not a insert
Please come to Grimsby we can do all this work much faster cheaper and with the ship building skills that are required to save a vessel with electrolysis
I like your videos but I feel there is way too much talking. Maybe you can show more content while talking in the background. Please don’t take offense to my comment, it’s just an idea.
I’m pretty good at never finishing anything. So I take my hat off to you for taking this project on. Your video production quality is top notch and she will be a beautiful and very seaworthy ship once completed. Best wishes to you both.
It's OK to explain what's going on if it's been really hard. Respect to you both
Wouldn't it have been quicker to cut out that section using the new plate as a template, and then weld the plate?
I liked the video, could have done without the music . Good luck with the repairs.
Overplating is ok as long as there are no leaks on the inside. It seems like the guys at the yard know their trade. And ask if thy are in doubt. The sailing boat in 'my picture, nick' I built with C-clamps, angelgrinders and welding machienes. I used several welding techniques, but I could have done it with just stick welding.
Please don't burn yourselves out. Take a day or two off if you need it. The videos can always wait. Do you guys accept Paypal donations?
Thank you very much and also thank you for considering supporting Flying Coney 👍 We are working on a solution for paywall donations and I'm sure we'll find one before we post the next video.
First I want to say thank you! We've tried to send you a mail but the contact information we got isn't working. Would be great to get in touch, can you either give me your e-mail address or send us a short note on sailing@flyingconey.com
Don't be put off by the fearful comments by others. Take them as information and add it to what you are learning and use it to inform your questions you can ask. The welds will get better as he gains experience. The Yardmaster will ensure they are structurally strong. In a steel ship, almost every piece of plate can be replaced along with beams internally, for much less than building new. You know this already. I liked the bow thruster on the boat that was along side yours. You two are a lovely couple and both have a lot of enthusiasm. Your charm and humor and warm smiles on both, make fine viewing. We learn and are entertained at the same time. Edutainment. I too, have spent hours upon hours editing video for others, and know how time sucking as well as mind sucking it can be. Get your rest. I'm sure if the videos are a few days late, We will still enjoy seeing them and your journey. Being overtired contributes to mistakes. slips, trips and falls. We want you both to be safe, so you can continue your dream. Daniel and Barbara. Life is about all those times between here and there, the start of a journey and the goal, and sometimes the goal changes or morphs into something completely different despite all our efforts and expectations. Please continue this journey, taking us along for a little while. We ask not much, perhaps a few sailing tips and engineering insights, advice on our own journeys. Perhaps one day, one sunny sunny day, on a beautiful beach in a warm, tropical place, we might meet and shake hands and have a beer, before passing along our paths. If so, we would indeed consider ourselves most fortunate. You give us hope in our mundane lives and encouragement to risk this for adventure.
Pragmatism finds its beauty in function theres no metaphysics needed to define it. Being authentic and keep the choices of materials congruent to minimum will bring Flaying Coney to shine in the end.
Courage is knowing when to quit
This is like watching a train wreck in super slow motion at 4k.
Omg how is that old rust bucket still floating it’s got more holes in it them a block off Swiss cheese I truly hope you prove me wrong but I think you our just throwing good money away wishing you all the best your going to need it
Thank you! I think you'r overestimating the amount of repairs needed. Besides the electrolysis damage there wasn't an unusual amount of thin spots or rivets that needed to be welded. At the end it turned out that all the holes had wood laying directly against the hull behind it. You can also see the thickness reading directly next to hole and there's more steel than most yachts are built with. Still scary, still expensive but not as expensive as most of you think.
@@FlyingConey
Thank you for your reply may be I am overestimating but still looks like a whole lot off holes no matter the reason and that supposed expert that checked the boat the first time. and again the second his just covering his lying ass still thing it’s got more holes then a block off Swiss cheese I am sure if you new what you no now you probably would not by the boat any way I like being proved wrong and wish you all the very best
I don't understand why you didn't sandblast first.
Because ist wasn't possible and it's possible the wrong method anyway. Before we want to blast the outside we do need to know what color scheme we prefer and we also want to apply copper coat. These are big task for their own and being not absolutely necessary they can wait. The preferred methods are hydro jet blasting, wet sandblasting oder laser blasting.
Schön wieder was von Euch zu hören! Kopf hoch, das wird schon, die paar Löcher sind bei einem Boot dieser Größe gar nichts, ich finde es ist generell in gutem Zustand und definitiv wert, erhalten zu werden. Musste selber im Jahr 2000 ein altes Boot aufgeben wegen Unfinanzierbarkeit, tut mir bis heute leid, solche Boote sind unersetzbar, sowas kann heute niemand mehr bauen. Macht weiter so, Euer Kanal ist sehr hochwertig, kenne keinen besseren außer vielleicht 'Projekt Brupeg' in Australien und wenn man sieht wie lange die schon kämpfen...
Darn it! A second hole just when the first one was nicely repaired! Hope you get a little time to relax from your busy schedules.
I'm glad I haven't scared you off last time. Considering the size of the hull a small overplating like that isn't that bad. Well it would have been better to first weld the two suspicious looking rivets next to the planned overplating... At the end we fortunately found that almost every thin spot was caused by wood layer directly on the hull. So it was a mistake done a long time ago and it's not a sign of bad steel or a general problem. So that's good!
Courage les bateaux acier se réparent toujours 👍👍👍from France
If you know what you are doing you can get great welds with a stick welder.
Every welder has a first bead. Keep at it. There are 2 types of people: those who make mistakes constantly and those who don't do anything.
too much talking.......not good,goodbye!
Hello from Ocala Florida
that job looks like scrap metal. In Oz that would be a million dollar bill
Patreons help ease the financial burden on you, to fund the repairs. My guess is your finances are limited and shipyard putting a big hole in them (no pun intended). So patreons is the obvious way to go, financial help and support on tap. Dont be guilty or embarrassed about asking patreons, some projects on TH-cam would NOT function or proceed without patreons, take Leo and Tally Ho for example. He would not be where he is without his help from patreons. Hope it all works out for you, loveing the videos.
Thank you very much for saying that and "a big hole" made me lough 😂 The way we see it is that in order to produce the videos we do need an income. We simply can't afford to work for free and it's too much work to produce the videos AND having a day job. Surprisingly the project isn't that expensive but we both need a normal salary in order to keep us and the vessel afloat.
Always good to get a new video from you., and it's great to see progress. Yes, you can learn welding and it will make a huge difference on how you view and deal with repairs.
Overplating can be only a temporary repair and is NOT approved by any classification shipbuilding society like Lloyds, ABS , DNV etc .
Don't think Lloyds allow "flopping on doublers" any more. In my experience the weakest part of a patch is right alongside the weld on the old plate. Have seen them fail and split all the way down a new plate in bad weather. Quite scary !!
This method of repair has economic advantages, it falls in the temporary repair category and its use has never been accepted as a permanent repair. This temporary repair method would maintain structural integrity until the ship is either in dry-dock or in restricted availability, and is followed by permanent repairs made to the original corroded structure. In the maintenance of commercial ships the use of doublers for anything other than temporary repair is currently not recommended. The objections to their use are both on technical and operational grounds.
Hull girder structural components of a ship are basically rolled shapes or built-up sections that are composed of plate elements (flat plates). The strength of these structural components is usually governed by local buckling of these plate elements or flat plates that makeup the cross-section. Such local buckling means that the buckled element will no longer take its proportionate share of any additional load the column is to carry. This also means that efficiency of the cross section is reduced.
I can only share my observation and what people had told me. First we have a valid certificate as a pleasure craft. The surveyor you've seen two videos ago also does commercial ships. The survey is mandatory every 7 years. He was specifically asked if the yard is allowed to do an overplating. All ships we have seen left and right from our ships had overplatings. Again some of them more than 100 years old still getting a 300k engine conversion to work for another 25 years. Not only inland crafts also fishing vessels that work the North Sea. You've seen the thickness reading right next to the hole it's 5,2mm about 10cm away from the hole. So the plate is strong enough and the hole is caused by the wood laying on the hull. What would your recommended method be to repair this spot?
@@FlyingConey The American Bureau of Shipping (ABS) Rules for Steel Vessels should be applied .
Welding. Production welding in the vicinity of riveted joints must be done prior to preparing the holes for riveting as the heat may well either loosen rivets or disturb hole alignment.
Because steel used in riveted hulls may be more sensitive to brittle fracture than steel employed in newer, welded ships, welding repairs are limited to the following:
a. Flush butts between new and existing strakes of shell and deck may be welded. Such welds must have full penetration.
b. Welding repairs to misaligned or burned holes is acceptable proctice only if the welding is sound.
c. Welding repair to build up deteriorated caulking edges may also be accepted if the workmanship is of high quality and the material which is added is free of substantial defect.
d. Light welding across a riveted seam to form a stopwater is acceptable.
e. Lapped butts involving the use of fillet welds should not be used.
There are probably well over 10.000 rivets in a large riveted ship. It is routine that a few of these will leak. According to accepted marine practice, it is satisfactory to repair a few "scattered" defective rivets where no comprehensive joint deterioration by corrosion, wear, or leakage is evident.
Three acceptable methods of rivet repair are bobbing, frenching and ring welding.
BOBBING
Cold working the point around the lip or edge with a riveting gun and small convex die to draw a seeping rivet tight.
FRENCHING
Veeing and wedging the lip of point metal more firmly into the countersink with a special frenching tool and then filling in the "trench" with a fine weld bead.
This actually draws a rivet tight without possibly distorting and weakening the metal around the rivet as ring welding may do.
RING WELDING
Carefully welding a fine bead around a rivet point as a temporary countermeasure to leakage. Such a weld has a tendency to crack. More effective repairs should be done when possible. Due to their highly stressed locations, rivets in the way of lapped or strapped butts or in deck plating outboard of the hatches should not be repaired by ring welding.
Am, I the only one who thinks Barbara is a “hottie” ?
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While the boat is on the hard, will you be installing a bow thruster???? I certainly would do it for a boat this size. You will NEVER regret it.
We have to do the necessary repairs on the hull and structure first. But a bow thruster would be nice.
There's only so much you can do with a limited budget, I understand that. Although you may be out of the yard by now, I think a very good investment, besides a MIG welder, would be to buy, borrow, or rent an ultrasonic tester like the inspector had, and go over every inch of the hull yourself. Your goal would be to find all the other places like you show at 15:31, that wasn't found by the inspector, right next to the over plate. That plate could have been a foot longer and covered the other 5 spots. I don't have any problem with the plug welds and the plate, it's an old boat made of steel that wasn't meant to be welded. I'd worry about all the thin places the inspector didn't find. Sandblasting inside and out would expose a lot of the thin spots and all of the spots like at 15:31. I'd rather blow through the hull with a sand blaster than have a missed thin area blow out on the ocean. As a fabricator of 50 years, this is a very interesting project. You will be steel boat restoration experts when this is finished. Still another source of income. 😏🙂 But most of all, have fun and enjoy the adventure!! We'll be watching.
We also had that idea of going along the concrete with the ultrasonic tester to check for thin spots. But it's necessary to grind down to bare stell to measure it. It's not only the measurements that are within the survey. He picks the spots by hammering against the hull and you can hear where the hull is thick and where not. We did test the week spots by hammering against them with an air chisel and welding hammers.
I'd really love to watch this series, but the music is far too loud. One must always remember that their taste in music may not be the same as others. There are standards for background music levels in videos. Secondly, most of the narration could be done instead of the music. There's plenty of time. This would reduce the length of the video and save having to do separate shoots. Good luck with the project.
There is nothing wrong with these videos, I don't see why you feel the need to whine about everything they do.
I'm noticing quite a bit of that awesome bow thruster retrofitted on your neighbor ship in this video. Hope your budget includes one of those for next years refit.
We have to prioritize the necessary repairs because when knows what we find on this long refit journey. But we plan to get a bowthruster at one point and adding one later on is no problem at all. We need to haul out about every 2 or 3 years. Overplating is a bit controversial but Hoekman does have a lot of experience and we think it's a good repair method for a riveted ship.
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Man, that's some pretty extensive damage on the skin of the hull. The weld repairs look good, however, I would worry about how long the rest of the hull will last before it gets eaten away too. I wouldn't trust it for blue water sailing as heavy seas will put extreme stress on the hull, and may cause it to break.
The hull thickness is way above the minimum. The electrolysis damage isn't pretty but it's repaired now with a trusted method. So it took about 100 years to corrode away 4mm of steel without proper protection. We have about 3mm left before we reach the minimum. Flying Coney was built overly heavy and the hull thickness is about the same as you would build new nowadays. However, we still have to fix the structure in the saloon until we can sail on blue water.
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I worked on 2 old steel hulls & noted that the one built by Krupp had similar occasional bad plates with others with near zero flaws. So hope you have just a few of the flawed plates.
Fortunately it really only was the wood against the hull issue. That only lasted 46years... Some rivets needed to be done and off course the quite severe electrolysis damage. Directly next to the hole are more than 6mm steel left.
She is a big girl.
You´re doing a fantastic job of this nice old project. Very impressed. But I almost got a bit of welding-PTSD when you told us about that "new" hole that appeared. I know the feeling from repairing classic cars...
Nice work and thanks!
Great video! Keep going!
Servus. This was very informative and keep up the good work. This is a 'labour of love' for sure and you clearly put your hearts and souls in it. Not everybody will understand and appreciate it but I certainly do. Don't let the negative comments get to you. You are trying to save an old boat you love and seeing how hard you are working at it, your efforts will pay dividends for sure. All the best luck to you both.
Fantastic video. I've been to this yard myself and they do excellent work as Luka will contest. Best with this huge undertaking and I can't wait for the next episode,
Hard work
Hi guys hope it all gets sorted out.
bravo
i found a almost 75yo ex cargo boat half sank in Cambodia 20 odd years ago, i employed 16 local village people to help me repair and re-float her and than did her up into a guesthouse, restaurant and bar, the steel haul boat was 120 ft long and so badly rusted we ferro cemented inside her haul, that was 20 years ago and she still has zero leaks:)
I have followed every episode and appreciate your desire to save some history. Do you know the vessel's first name? For your intended use have maritime laws been reviewed to assure this ship can be operated and insured? Have you an estimate of the final cost for full restoration? Is there an architect available to help you with a feasibility study? This project is an enormous commitment for an enthusiastic couple. I am concerned and hope for a good outcome.
Glad you've enjoyed the videos! Flying Coney was built about 100 years for the Katwijk fisheries to the lines of a Motorlogger. Most certainly with a sailing rig. She served in WWII as a Vorpoostenboot likely as for minesweeping. 1950 she was officially rebuilt and was named TINY (KW34).
She is registered as a pleasure craft so you just need a normal sailing license to operate her. We both have the German license valid for pleasure crafts without a restriction in size. But we are limited to 12 passengers. We have a full insurance.
I guess it will be about 200k including the purchase of the boat until we are in an operational state with accommodation for us two. At the moment we are surviving not living. That includes the repairs, the deck, engine and system maintenance and the basic interior. NOT included is the rig, the interior of the rest of the ship and add ons like the bow thruster.
I'm still confident, that we will grow into the craftsmanship needed for the refit. We're especially looking forward to the woodworking and building the interior. Also we plan to do the wooden deck ourselves.
I hope I've covered everything you wanted to know 😉
@@FlyingConey Thank you and may all work out well Captains.
Hey not sure if you guys are already fans of “Project Brupeg” ? If you aren’t, give them a look👍🏻 they are restoring a old steel trawler. Great channel with heaps of informative info on their journey😊
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I wish you a good year with more sunshine and fewer holes! Anything new about the age of the old lady?
We haven't found time to visit the museum, the original yard or the owner that had converted her back in 1977... But we are 99% sure she is much older than 1950. Probably close to 100 years old.
I like the backdrop of your narration! I’m also looking forward to the frame repairs! Do give up the ship!
Kip on working ..in the future you both will see the light..but before that …smile you need to teach all the shit to live onboard..shifting toilet and broken heater…and broken septic pumps…and lots off more things….trying to smile and take care and remember to have fun
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Do not listen to the entitled critics. Your life, your work, your effort and we the viewer are have the best time enjoying your generosity.
Digging the rockabilly music.
Very interesting watching the over-plate process
Don't forget to do non destructive testing to the patches..... Do dye penetrant testing
While weekly updates are great if it comes down to it by weekly works also
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I am doing a steel trawler in Australia and mine has plenty holes the cheap skates had fibre glassed the holes as boat in survey I have to make plugs and weld in , we not allowed to put doublers on
The surveyor was specifically asked if the yard is allowed to overplate. Also I can't recall any other ship we've seen on the hard or during our boat search without an overplating. Good luck with your restoration!
Well done guys thank you for posing the videos best wishes for the new year
Looks like the entire boat needs plate over. Scary at best
You guys are great. No to worry , it’s all going to be just fine ! Thank you.
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I can’t wait to see your boat looking as good as the one next to it that just went back into the water 👍
Hello, My name is Billy McLain. I am an industrial sandblaster/ painter/ welder/ fabricator. I can tell you what to do to save you a lot of time and money. First, gut the entire interior. Second, go over the entire interior with an air chisel, removing all the heavy rust/ scale down to the rusty but solid steel. Third, sandblast the entire interior so there is no rust, only gray steel. Fourth buy a machine called an impregnator it forces epoxy resin into the fiberglass cloth, (I would use tri- axle cloth it is 3 layers thick and they go in 3 different directions giving you superior strength). Apply the epoxy soaked (impregnated) cloth to the bare sandblasted steel. Personally, I would not spend any time or money welding. Your welder is doing you wrong- he is plating over the steel instead of butt welding it leaving a space between the new plate and old hull where you can't clean prime and paint so it will start rusting again almost immediately. The epoxy-soaked cloth will give you superior strength and seal the metal permanently. no welding required. On the exterior you should build a containment using pvc pipe hoops from one side of the hull on the ground to the other side of the hull on the ground and you can use 90's (tees) along the bottom and you can use 4 way/ Crosses to install cross members to give the structure strength laterally. Cover the pvc pipe with 6mil clear plastic and then go over the hull with the air chisel, then sandblast then install the impregnated cloth. You are essentially using the hull as a mold. You just need to clean it properly first (sandblasting). Whatever welding needs to be done will be minimal. Get a new welder, this guy is doing a terrible job that you will be paying for it in the beginning and for years to come. Any questions my phone number in the U. S. is 1 727 482 9403 I live in Largo, Florida, my company is Industrial Blast Inc my website is industrialblast.com my personal email is billy@billymclain.com. Hope this helps you out, feel free to contact me anytime, Good Luck!
humm, wouldn't your method introduce the problem of osmosis seen in most fiberglass ships??
steel is way better and cheaper, also cheaper to fix.
and I agree with your comment about the welds, their welder is not creating nice welds.
I already shared with them what seems to be the ideal way to proceed, I can only guess that they only want to patch the ship so to take it to a better place, so to do the job
Welds are very poor. Watch videos and see what they should look like watch this guy at Cutting Edge Engineering Australia.
Welding tips and tricks, Cody.
That was a really good point about how basic the tools are that are used to repair a steel vessel. Given that Barbara already knows how to weld, you really can do most repairs yourself in the future, especially above the waterline. And don't let the trolls and so-called "experts" get you down. You are a very sensible couple, making good decisions and getting advice from real local experts (surveyors, fishermen, other customers of the shipyard, etc.) Best of luck.
Sziasztok! Sajnos szakszerűtlen ez a rálapolt javítás. Ki kell vágni a rossz lemezt! Az is vicc, hogy a folt mellett újabb lyukat találtak a "szakemberek". Kitartást! Jó lesz az!
Your correct I just witnessed them weild a plate over top of paint and a rust hole
@ this point, it looks like the hull took a direct hit from a giant submarine Shot Gun shell!? Ha! Love your dedication! To be honest, I can't get enough of this giant adventure! Sooo thank you for sharing.
Awesome keep going
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Na zo lange tijd op Urk , Hebben jullie ook vast het zingen in de kerk een keer bezocht, of niet?
Zingen voor de mannen op zee, een unieke traditie op Urk. ik geloof dat het op woensdag avond is. ik ben er een aantal keer geweest en ik vond het indrukwekkend. Net als het vissers monument voor de verdronken vissers.
Urk is een bijzondere plaats.
Hoe hebben jullie het ervaren?
Sorry for answering in English... We enjoyed being in Urk and went on an evening walk almost every day. But we haven't found much time besides fixing Flying Coney. But at least we visited "Urk in Wintersferen" wich was amazing!
@@FlyingConey Engels is geen probleem hoor. because you told us that you already speeks a lot dutch, i want to help practicing so i wrote in dutch. Es durfte auch im deutsch sein ubrigens. alles gut when es nur gein Franzozisch ist😂
Hey looking at your neighbors bow thruster @ 12:27 That is something that could be fitted to the ship and it would not involve putting a big tube through your hull.
Well I hope you get a lot of support from Patreon. I already did contributions to my archive pages and wikipedia. So that is my contribution for everyone, and you may have seen it :). Also, when you are done, and you want to see something in "het Markermeer", "de Marker Wadden". Its not too far from Urk, and it can be the sort of relaxation you are looking for after this big ship repair.
I did some sowing of grasses and clovers over there in June when it was really hot. I don't know if it would spout and live, but it was my only opportunity. I did the same thing next to my mother's apartment which was build new. It gave a really good result and lots of flowers and there were a lot of bees and other insects. So I think it will beneficiary to the island group because it will house a lot of birds. Birds feed on insects and fish, fish eat insects too.. The island while i was there had a bit of monoculture like vegetation. I hope I can visit again and maybe do another sowing run. :) Is it the right thing to do? I don't know, but the only thing really growing well in the summer heat were leucanthemum vulgare. Well I hope it got pretty and they leave it be. I think they would be lucky if the vegetation would bind the sand and keep it from blowing away. Some trees would be nice. But i dont know if i can smuggle them in. XD Some willow branches would work, you can just stick them into the ground and they take pretty well when they are planted during the winter.
Any way, good progress!
Greetings,
Jeff
Thank you for adding information about Flying Coney on these pages. Do you have a link? The Marker Wadden is very beautiful and we spent one night there last summer in July. It was wonderful! Actually the picture on our TH-cam page was taken on the way to the Marker Wadden from one of our patrons.
@@FlyingConey Its not information about your boat, its general building, machining, welding books. The Marker Wadden are pretty good, but it needs a kickstarter with the vegetation. I like your page picture, it does look good. archive*the dot in here*org(slash in here)details(the symbol under the question mark here)(AT symbol here)artifact95 Its such a pain to get a plain link in on youtube... Probably "the machineshop trades" and "the building trades books" will be of help to you.
Greetings,
Jeff
@@FlyingConey Its not information about your boat, its general building, machining, welding books. The Marker Wadden are pretty good, but it needs a kickstarter with the vegetation. I like your page picture, it does look good. TH-cam is not letting me put links in here, it deletes my comments. Probably "the machineshop trades" and "the building trades books" will be of help to you. The link is at the about section of my profile the "archive" one.
Greetings,
Jeff
Found the link. Thank you for sharing this informations with us.
Hi, sorry but why over plating . I've been a shipwright for 30 yrs and all it does is produce more issues . But being you've done it make sure you treat inside ,pooring bitumen inside as much as you can to seal any moisture from getting inside
One of the reasons why the welds look the way they do is that the old steel is very difficult to weld. With a modern steel boat you can cut a plate out and weld a new one in. But it's better to weld from both sides and then we would need to get rid of the concrete. Also the overlapping plates will open up next to the inlay and then there are all those rivets. The best method would be to take the whole plate out and but a new plate in using the traditional riveting technique. But exchanging one plate with this method is probably more expensive then all the repairs we had done combined. But all the holes had been closed from the inside as well! So there's no oxygen getting inside the overplating.
@@FlyingConey A Professional welder does not use a Bic lighter to ignite his Oxy-Acetylene torch. There is as much energy in a live grenade. If the cheap lighter leaks it will explode especially in your pocket where the gas will collect. They are cheap & disposable for a reason. Rust will form from minute condensation alone. Rust makes more rust. The overplate should have had round corners or been round or oval in shape. A welded square plate imparts lots of stress that cannot be relieved. I use a hole saw to cut the holes and also the plugs to weld into the holes. The small holes can be best fixed by securing a plate of copper inside & MIG welding. The welding does not stick to the copper. You are replacing the oxidized hull metal. MIG welding equipment is inexpensive now and a novice can do it with little starting practice. Stick welding is best for heavy structural. Your hull is not heavy structural.
@@FlyingConey Replacing the concrete might be a good idea anyway. If that's the original concrete, it sitting on 100+ years of rust at the keel. Pouring new concrete would be the easiest part of this repair.
@@kinikinrd Actually concrete gets harder over time. Back then they were using blue concrete and that's the same stuff they used for bunkers. So getting all of it out is probably impossible. Since there is little to none oxygen the steel underneath the concrete will be in good condition.
some of those welds dont look really good, i hope they are getting checked by the yard boss, or whoever.
I don't know if that' the end result. Well there was certainly a second plate put next to it to shut the new hole. At the end we had a particular inspection together with the chief welder and also the surveyor from the classification had a second visit to check the progress. If they don't have anything to complain I guess it's good enough for us.
Don't worry, all welds are inspected and they were all good and no leaks
@@ceesbrouwer8741 Thank you Cees for making that clear! I have to say we are extremely satisfied with your work. You did a great job repairing the ship and getting her back to live. I tried to make that clear in the comments, some people think they know more than they actually do. So sorry for that...
Hello from Siesta Key Florida
In my opinion, all the rust in the steel they were plating over should have been neutralized, and treated, both inside and out, before the over plating was done. Otherwise it will continue to rust away underneath the over plating, and eventually compromise the area around the repair. Yes, it will eventually rust no matter what, but it will do so at an accelerated rate with the rust underneath left untreated. This isn't a criticism of the 2 of you, but of the methods used by the yard.
Bull, you need o2 for oxidation to occur. By welding all coatings underneath will be damaged anyway.
@@quutjeh54 It can still get o2 from the inside of the hull, through the hole they put the patch over. I get what you're saying, I would have just made sure to eliminate the existing rust (as much as is possible) before patching it. It just makes the repair last that much longer.
In one of the upcoming videos we will remove an old overplating that was in place for at least 60 years. we haven't found an awful lot of rust behind it. The yard is definitely a SHIPyard and no BOATyard. They do working boats with methods suitable for working boats. With the lack of oxygen because the hole is welded shut from the inside and is underneath the waterline I will not live long enough that it will be a problem and then it's still possible to replace the plate.
The hole is closed from the inside!
Regarding, you doing the welding, welding under woterline needs to be done by prose....
What do you think we are? some kind of hobbyists? Whe are professional welders en we give people a chance to learn to be an professional welder
I did a quick clean up in the comments, this was going to far. The majority of the comments are positiv. I'm sure nobody how was quick with a judgment has ever done welding on something worth calling a ship. Sometimes negativ people are pulling the mood down. I can understand that you're upset. Again sorry for those few comments! But that's just a few TH-cam comments from a bunch of armchair welders.
@@FlyingConey you're right about that! I think you're going to get a fantastic ship. You have the right spirrit keep that a live and i hope we see you next year to do great jobs on your boat again
I did not meant anything negative. Sorry if it came out that way. I love what you are doing. Love the cense of humor. Just stating my 2 pennies
The welds don't look good, have them redone. Alt least, make them grind the voids flat so that you can see that they don't go all the way through.
You are wright.
The weld on the right of the plate in the close up didn't look great at 17.24 , I'm not sure why people are saying the guy is doing a great job.
It's an interesting project you guys have taken on and I wish you all the best with it.
It's true that the welds don't look great especially compared to MIG / MAG welding. But I can assure you that the lads do know when they can use stick welding and when not. Lukas was welding over the plate multiple times, grinding in between and then welding again. So the final optical result has little to say about the quality of the weld. It's below the water so nobody will see and the usual customers are not willing to pay extra so that it looks nice. But I'm no welding expert myself, I just can trust the workers and the yard has a good reputation. Despite being only 21 years old Lukas is known to be a good welder. Why they use stick welding all the time... I don't know, but it's very windy in the Netherlands.
Maybe I have no right of speaking, but my welds 35 years ago looked better, no way these are water proof and would not accept this from a professional company. It looks like the used a trainee to do the job.
@@FlyingConey Hi you are putting your life in those weld's. look at this
Lincoln Electric Century 120 Volt 80 Amp Flux Core Wire Feed Welder
PART 773102
BRAND Lincoln Electric
$316.21 and get a certified welder.
scrap it
Jobs coming along great, despite these little hiccups. I think they say over plating is best. Because they’re to lazy to do a proper job 😂👍👍
Well, nobody sees it underneath the waterline. But for an insert it's better to weld the plate from both sides so in this case it would have been necessary to remove a lot of concrete. But it also is problematic for the rest of the hull and difficult to get watertight. It would be necessary to use a much bigger plate and it certainly would cost ten times more. It's a relatively small repair because the hole was caused by the wood laying against the hull. It's a different story if a plate is too thin at multiple spots, then the best way would to replace an entire plate.
@@FlyingConey that’s fair enough. I’m one for things looking right. But I understand 👍👍👍
Sometimes people make a decision that is so bad that you lose respect for them. I think you two have done that. This rust bucket should be scrapped.
It's kind of mean to say that. There was a mistake done by putting wood directly on the hull. Now 46! years later there's a hole. So what? Flying Coney is in much better state than Tally Ho or Yaba was and similar to Brupeg. So what you're saying is that it doesn't make sense to repair a boat at all. But boats with history are not for everyone and if you can afford it you can build new for around 1-2 billions.
@@FlyingConey
I can't speak for others, but Tally Ho was inspiring because Leo, in the beginning, was working solo and is a skilled craftsman. I don't think your boat will ever be as inspiring has his.
I'm not being mean, I providing some "tough love." You should buy another boat.
Tally Ho is a Yacht for Leo and a few of his friends. Flying Coney can be a ship for everyone. Leo is inspiring and has strongly influenced us to buy a boat and start a YT channel. I agree that woodworking is more beautiful than heavy industrial shipyard work but eventually we will do a lot of woodwork as well.
But Flying Coney was a Fishing Vessel, a Warship and a Sailing Ship and did some sail racing. She has the hull of a sailing ship and though the riveted hull is hard to repair it's something you don't see very often. Remember, Tally Ho was at one point a fishing vessel with a wheelhouse. I see two raw diamonds definitely worth saving and hope to race against Leo at Fastnet in the future. It's just that you prefer wooden boats, that's all.
This, coming from a guy with 5 subscribers and 9 videos, none of which have anything to do with building ships or boats - or restoration of either; I don't even see anything about canoe-paddling for that matter, just vids of a girl on a pony and some military-related rants. Now, if 'Dame' from 'Project Brupeg' said "This rust bucket should be scrapped," it might hold some weight, but he'd never do so. I realize you are kind people, but I wouldn't have bothered with a response to him, as he not only insults your project, but insults you personally ("...a decision that is so bad that you lose respect for them"). Unfortunately, as your channel grows, you'll have more of these trolls to sort through. Good luck and carry on!
Don't be a dick.
Find a better welder, that looks like crap.
Only certified welders are working on the boat. All welds have been tested and are good. There's a reason why they look the way they look. Lukas does use very high power on his welder to get better penetration and the old steel is very difficult to weld. Most important in the video is just the end of the day so you haven't seen the end result.
OMG.. what a nest of hull problems you've happened into on your "Comey."
Although still pretty interesting to me, I find it hard to follow you each episode, what thing next? I guess things can always be worse but how so? I feel bad for you now and I think eventually you will find a way through it. Good luck. Don't give up, keep a positive attitude and learn more about the boat's history, to attract people to watch the new videos. And once again the very best of luck.
Thank you! I guess what makes the difference is if the problems are local or general. The holes are all caused by a mistake done 46 years ago. To be specific, putting wood directly on the hull. So we "only" have to examine all of the problematic spots and repair if necessary. It would be much worse to find holes on random places. Worst case and the end of the vessel would have been a thin hull.
Hello from Everglades City
Really looking forward to the next videos.