Yeah, SynthV is great and all, but sounding not very human-like is one of Vocaloid's greatest charms. That being said, one of Vocaloid's reasons for falling behind is due to it's ridiculous prices despite it's current quality and accessibility, so yeah...
Yeah, also I heard that vocaloid is making a new engin called vocaloid B and it sounds a bit better than vocaloid 6, so maybe in the future we will get a better version of vocaloid for vocaloid 7 if it even happens
The problem is that the noise engine ends up hindering the success of Vocaloid, since this type of product is aimed at professional music production, not amateurs, so the noise is a disadvantage, which is why Synth V is growing more and more, for having high quality products, attracting investments from this area of the industry such as AH-Software and other companies, in addition to being most requested by music producers who need quality voices! That's why Vocaloid isn't going forward, we're no longer in 2014 for the world to like a hologram girl who has a robotic voice, we're practically in 2024 and we need powerful and realistic voices to sing songs efficiently.
That was the initial point of the Vocaloid, it's a Vocal "Android" and if I remember correctly, that was their point, to sound robotic. But yeah... people wanted the realistic ones. I still like the somewhat robotic sound of Vocaloid but if it's realistic human sounding voices that's not really human, yeah Synth V. I think both has different goals. Still like Vocaloid but also like Synth V. I wanted ALL the cryptonloids to have a Synth V (but personally, I just want the Kagamines LOL) but since they created NT... I feel like that might be a miracle if it comes true.
the great thing about synthv is that you can have realistic vocals for consumers who need that, while those same voices can also be fine tuned within synthv to sound just as charmingly choppy and robotic as they used to. There’s literally no downside.
SynthV also has a free version which is also really nice! But yeah Vocaloid is falling behind a bit. I still kinda want vocaloid though just because of Flowers voicebank.
I hope this opens up the platform for discussion As a long time vocal synth user, the reason why I almost never used vocaloid was because of a multi-layered issue it had for a lot of years It refuses to adapt and when it does, it's always half-baked. From the tuning UI being fucked to the point where people notebend basic curves bc of how inflexible vocaloid's pitch tool is, to zooming in distorting the UI and the start-up of the program taking 30 years... Vocaloid isn't just behind, it's held together by duct tape and glue, only staying relevant because the community works REALLY hard to make things sound good. Even UTAU has better tools for realism, expression, and pitch control, and it hasn't even officially updated (ik ameya is working on smth) in over a decade! Now contrast that to my experience with SynthV, the devs feel like they completely understand the plights of the community as it supports tuning styles whether you came from vocaloid/utau, it has fantastic vocal quality, a constantly improving engine, and a UI that's both straightforward and an absolute joy to work with I hope synthV shakes vocaloid and has it question its massive price tag
the hilarious thing about all this is that crypton actually was part of the team working on teto synthv!! so the fact that NT sounds like...that...is even funnier
I mean Teto IS basically a Piapro character (she's under CFM copyright or some shit, wait, it's called Piapro Character Licensing, aka PCL) but, like @GeneralNuisance00 said, they didn't do anything in the development
Idk but I hope that this starts ringing alarms for the people in crypton, even if they have the most popular vb they're really gonna get left behind if they don't do anything abt it lol
@@TehAwesomeGodI agree I also got Fukase too a few months ago and I was literally having a breakdown trying to make him sing FUCKING HAPPY BIRTHDAY as a gift for my father but I’m trying to put some faith into Fukase and suck it up and try my best to tune so I know I didn’t wasted so much money on him😢(I’m from Indonesia if your wondering, the currency here is really weak)
fun fact:according to the vocaloid wiki,teto actually had a private voicebank with crypton but that idea got scrapped,if that happened,vocaloid would be popular again
It was scrapped due to the fact that there were unfavorable results (they tried to get Teto into THE REAL VOCALOID and recorded samples with Oyamano Mayo herself but the voicebank was very, VERY low quality, that's why)
" Have fun in Piapro Studio ". 💀💀💀 We need CryptoLoids and everyone else in SynthV. Luka first. And it's also a chance that Kaito and Meiko will be finally understood while singing. I love them with all of my heart.
Honestly, if the software gets an update or the prices start to match the quality of the product then thats good enough. There is a reason why vocaloids and utau are being used for songs despite programmes like vsynth with more realistic voices existing. Its because some songs like housewife radio, hito mania and bug benifit from the robotic tone of their voice. So im not really that thrilled at gumi getting a vsynth. Especially because it sounds like a stand alone voice with only hints of gumis previous voice, even more so than teto, who still sounds very much like her old voice.
Bug was actually commissioned by project sekai for a character event, they commission people involved with the vocaloid community specifically, so i don't think it's an exact example... the reason it got commissioned was the vocaloid part. But your point is 100% correct!!!
@@evrenisprettyuniversalyeah yeah ik, I'm a pjsekai player and nightcord is my fav group! But I mean like the electronic vocals really complemented mikus voice. But I think a better example would have been a maretu song probably. There are very few people that can pull off a maretu song
If i get vocaloid it is probably only to make silly talkloids with Po-uta (my sweet child). Maybe i will make covers, i just gotta figure out how to use the software
I'm probably taking this too seriously but for the vocaloid being twice the price of synth v thing wouldn't the number of voicebanks included with the editor (8 for vocaloid, 1 or 2 for synth v pro) be a decent part of it?
Actually yea that makes sense, I didn't think abt it that way But also SynthV voicebanks are crazy high quality and even less expensive than most vocaloid voicebanks, like miku is 120 bucks still and is hella outdated
@@kttstrwbry I mean, I get that, but they were still able to produce her Vocaloid 4 voice bank despite that fact, and I think that was by taking the already existing samples from her V2. Can't they just do the same thing for SynthV?
@@pastelflowers9781 Oh yeah that is true I hope they can do that, but Idk what the process is in making synthv voicebanks... But now that I think about it maybe a SynthV Yuki would be possible, we'll see once hiyama/miki come out maybe there'll be news ?
Why does everyone trashes or sass on Miku saying that her and the cryptonloids are getting ignored by Crypton by saying that she has waaayyyy too many stuff sis only has 10 voicebanks Gumi is deadass the Vocaloid to have 18 Voicebanks no joke.
Idk the video isnt meant to be taken that seriously lol but what bothers me is Miku's company focuses too much on merch and not on the voicebanks. Gumi is getting quality voicebanks while Miku is just getting new figures lol
Honestly, at this point, I feel like even UTAU is better than Vocaloid. Like, OpenUTAU is free, has an accessible interface, and has thousands upon thousands of voicebank options. Its even beginning to get AI voicebanks. Like it's actually kinda sad when you're being beaten by a free program.
@@kttstrwbry Yes! They're called ENUNU (I honestly don't know much about it yet, but I do know that Yokune Ruko has a new female ENUNU VB) and Diffsinger (Generally tend to specialize in English from my knowledge. Not super popular yet, but my personal favorite is Peiton DS!) voice banks! At one point ENUNU and Diffsinger were just plugins for the program, but now they're automatically included with the most recent update.
Gumi got an AI voicebank and it sounds soo much better than her vocaloid 6 voicebank, pointing out how much better SynthV is than vocaloid in terms of realism
Kaito: *Wakai mode* GUMI,that's not nice to said that epecialy in front of Miku. And Miku,that's very rude to slap her face like that *angrily scolded both Gumi and Miku* Len: Kaito-nii,calm down Meiko: Well,that's just a daily life of being everyones big brother is. Stoping agruments and fights like you and Rin Luka: I agree Rin and Len: No we don't Teto: Oh yeah, then what about that icident on Good Big Brother Day when the both of you want to spent time with Kaito-san but both of you fight then got each end of his scraff and pull on it tighty on Kaito's neck and he chocked before he passed out. Our masters is very mad but also very angry on the both of you that they gave the both of you a very strict time out Kaito: Yep,it happend
Stuff like this is why Vocaloid 4 is probably the last good Vocaloid engine 💀 which is funny because the only other good one is Vocaloid 2 (which is mostly due to nostalgia) If they actually improved things instead of letting their fandom carry the weight with good songs (mostly on V4) then they'd actually have a future Its no wonder why Crypton tried making their own engine, because the UI and such for Vocaloid 6 sucks! Too bad Miku NT sounds horrible though :/ But I could not imagine Miku being on anything besides vocaloid... so her V4X voicebank may very well be the one people will use (since its still on sale)
I don’t really like SynthV in my opinion, Vocaloid has some kinda charm that makes it iconic but I love Teto and Genbu’s voice!!! But I won’t say much since my favor in tuning isn’t a realistic tuning unlike the majority,,, but despite having Gumi’s SynthV I do have a thing I don’t like about her, I don’t really like how her VB sounds a little drunk and in her normal range- NOTHING like Gumi, but that’s my opinion and mine differs a lot from the majority so yeah.
![Debunking Comparisons Between Banks [SynthV... Something]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/1u0rCdBDtLY/mqdefault.jpg)
Here after miku v6 ai got announced
@@ginger6651 HOLY SHIIIIITTTT
I'M ACTUALLY SO EXCITED I'M PINNING
Me too that means means I can get the newest vocaloid editor and get miku and they will work together.
@@kttstrwbryand y'know what that means
NEW TALKLOID with the Vocaloid Super Pack
Yayay
Tbh I just care about Yukari and Flower not flopping
Flowerflopped
I JUST CARE SO MUCH ABOUT ALL OF VOCALOIDS 😭🙏 I literally just want all of them to be alright
THEY FLOPPED HARD ON CEVIO TF
YUKARI MENTIONED!
Yeah, SynthV is great and all, but sounding not very human-like is one of Vocaloid's greatest charms. That being said, one of Vocaloid's reasons for falling behind is due to it's ridiculous prices despite it's current quality and accessibility, so yeah...
Yeah, also I heard that vocaloid is making a new engin called vocaloid B and it sounds a bit better than vocaloid 6, so maybe in the future we will get a better version of vocaloid for vocaloid 7 if it even happens
@@Kaitot_t3681We can only hope, for now I'm looking forward to Piappro studio, I wonder what Kaito NT will sound like when it's finished...
The problem is that the noise engine ends up hindering the success of Vocaloid, since this type of product is aimed at professional music production, not amateurs, so the noise is a disadvantage, which is why Synth V is growing more and more, for having high quality products, attracting investments from this area of the industry such as AH-Software and other companies, in addition to being most requested by music producers who need quality voices! That's why Vocaloid isn't going forward, we're no longer in 2014 for the world to like a hologram girl who has a robotic voice, we're practically in 2024 and we need powerful and realistic voices to sing songs efficiently.
That was the initial point of the Vocaloid, it's a Vocal "Android" and if I remember correctly, that was their point, to sound robotic. But yeah... people wanted the realistic ones. I still like the somewhat robotic sound of Vocaloid but if it's realistic human sounding voices that's not really human, yeah Synth V. I think both has different goals. Still like Vocaloid but also like Synth V. I wanted ALL the cryptonloids to have a Synth V (but personally, I just want the Kagamines LOL) but since they created NT... I feel like that might be a miracle if it comes true.
the great thing about synthv is that you can have realistic vocals for consumers who need that, while those same voices can also be fine tuned within synthv to sound just as charmingly choppy and robotic as they used to. There’s literally no downside.
SynthV also has a free version which is also really nice! But yeah Vocaloid is falling behind a bit. I still kinda want vocaloid though just because of Flowers voicebank.
ci flower was a failure, will we see a voicebank for SynthV as powerful as Rose in the transition from Cevio to SV? let's see what happens
@@warmnoodlezshe recently got updated. i like how ci flower sounds now
I hope this opens up the platform for discussion
As a long time vocal synth user, the reason why I almost never used vocaloid was because of a multi-layered issue it had for a lot of years
It refuses to adapt and when it does, it's always half-baked. From the tuning UI being fucked to the point where people notebend basic curves bc of how inflexible vocaloid's pitch tool is, to zooming in distorting the UI and the start-up of the program taking 30 years...
Vocaloid isn't just behind, it's held together by duct tape and glue, only staying relevant because the community works REALLY hard to make things sound good.
Even UTAU has better tools for realism, expression, and pitch control, and it hasn't even officially updated (ik ameya is working on smth) in over a decade!
Now contrast that to my experience with SynthV, the devs feel like they completely understand the plights of the community as it supports tuning styles whether you came from vocaloid/utau, it has fantastic vocal quality, a constantly improving engine, and a UI that's both straightforward and an absolute joy to work with
I hope synthV shakes vocaloid and has it question its massive price tag
So vocaloid is kinda like the photoshop of the vocal synth community? (minus the monopoly ofc)
Miki: i have a SynthV voicebank!!!
Piko: I'm still death...
the hilarious thing about all this is that crypton actually was part of the team working on teto synthv!! so the fact that NT sounds like...that...is even funnier
They weren't. CFM just got twindrill in touch with Dreamtonics but had nothing to do with development.
@@GeneralNuisance00 oh really??? i had no idea that was the case!!! sorry for the misinfo!
I mean Teto IS basically a Piapro character (she's under CFM copyright or some shit, wait, it's called Piapro Character Licensing, aka PCL) but, like @GeneralNuisance00 said, they didn't do anything in the development
Omg if the Crypton Vocaloids got into SynthV, that would be awesome! I'd love to hear Meiko in SynthV! Crypton really gotta step up their game
at this rate we might get a revival for piko too
@@iprobablyexist i hope... i actually really like piko
MIKI MY BABY THANK YOU SYNTHV THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU KIYOTERU TOO I LOVE SYNTHV SO MUCH GUMI IS ALSO GETTING A VOICEBANK
Idk but I hope that this starts ringing alarms for the people in crypton, even if they have the most popular vb they're really gonna get left behind if they don't do anything abt it lol
poor gumi getting slapped in the face by miku
Finally someone talked about it lol
Nah I think Gumi deserved it for bragging so much
Gumi will always be my fav (literally for a year now)
I just bought vocaloid today toi get Fukase and it is PAIN. I should've bought SynthV
Update: I got SynthV and Kasane Teto!
fukase is silly and lovely though i hope you make many covers and songs with him !
@@kttstrwbry yes yes but it's still a pain to tune in vocaloid
@@TehAwesomeGodI agree I also got Fukase too a few months ago and I was literally having a breakdown trying to make him sing FUCKING HAPPY BIRTHDAY as a gift for my father but I’m trying to put some faith into Fukase and suck it up and try my best to tune so I know I didn’t wasted so much money on him😢(I’m from Indonesia if your wondering, the currency here is really weak)
fun fact:according to the vocaloid wiki,teto actually had a private voicebank with crypton but that idea got scrapped,if that happened,vocaloid would be popular again
It was scrapped due to the fact that there were unfavorable results (they tried to get Teto into THE REAL VOCALOID and recorded samples with Oyamano Mayo herself but the voicebank was very, VERY low quality, that's why)
0:53 at least she said sorry :D
" Have fun in Piapro Studio ".
💀💀💀
We need CryptoLoids and everyone else in SynthV. Luka first. And it's also a chance that Kaito and Meiko will be finally understood while singing. I love them with all of my heart.
We need to save sachiko
I need to use her at least once lol
Her voice has always been my favorite
BRO
BRO
BRO
BRO
WHAT IF....
AND HEAR ME OUT...
GAKUPO GETS INTO SYNTH V
Pretty sure he's the same company as gumi so it's possible!
Honestly, if the software gets an update or the prices start to match the quality of the product then thats good enough. There is a reason why vocaloids and utau are being used for songs despite programmes like vsynth with more realistic voices existing. Its because some songs like housewife radio, hito mania and bug benifit from the robotic tone of their voice. So im not really that thrilled at gumi getting a vsynth. Especially because it sounds like a stand alone voice with only hints of gumis previous voice, even more so than teto, who still sounds very much like her old voice.
Bug was actually commissioned by project sekai for a character event, they commission people involved with the vocaloid community specifically, so i don't think it's an exact example... the reason it got commissioned was the vocaloid part. But your point is 100% correct!!!
@@evrenisprettyuniversalyeah yeah ik, I'm a pjsekai player and nightcord is my fav group! But I mean like the electronic vocals really complemented mikus voice. But I think a better example would have been a maretu song probably. There are very few people that can pull off a maretu song
I love how human Eleanor sounded when she said "Hi GUMI!~"
she has an ai Vocaloid vb now shes becoming synthv!
You can also play Stop Nagging Me for people who think they have never listened to fanloids
Miku's little "mhm" is so cute 🫶😂
i hope dex gets a synthv bank, i LOVE his voice
@@RowensGotGamesYT same!!
All i Want for Christmas is SYNTH V MIKI :3
so there's been some some great news a few hours ago
NO WAY
@@kttstrwbry YES WAY‼️
The fact that EVERYONE says "I hope [insert voicebank that isn't in SynthV] gets into SynthV!" And not Vocaloid says a lot actually
@@CrissCover exactly!! 😭
LOL the slap got me
I honestly hope Piko, Fukase, Ritsu, Ruko (Both male and female) and Lily would get their own SynthV AI voicebanks too
KIYOTERU??? OMG NO WAY ME LOVE ME LIKE ME LIVEEEEEE
If i get vocaloid it is probably only to make silly talkloids with Po-uta (my sweet child). Maybe i will make covers, i just gotta figure out how to use the software
I LOVE TETOS UTAU THOO
HAHAHAH I LOVE KIYOTERU ACKAAKAK
MikiSV??
Woooo!
Finally we’re getting vocaloids ported to someone who actually cares about them as characters and not *just* money
Hi gumi!
But synthV doesn’t have one site called El rilcon del kitsune
I
@@kttstrwbry OMG THANK U MY DREAM DOWNLOAD SOMES VBS
I'm probably taking this too seriously but for the vocaloid being twice the price of synth v thing wouldn't the number of voicebanks included with the editor (8 for vocaloid, 1 or 2 for synth v pro) be a decent part of it?
Actually yea that makes sense, I didn't think abt it that way
But also SynthV voicebanks are crazy high quality and even less expensive than most vocaloid voicebanks, like miku is 120 bucks still and is hella outdated
It’s to make up for how crap the audio quality is
-miku wished she had a realistic voice-
miku got a v6 update
1:21 - Wow, so it is true...
B-but.. what about Yuki?? 🥺
Her voice provider is all grown up now so idk how'd it work
@@kttstrwbry I mean, I get that, but they were still able to produce her Vocaloid 4 voice bank despite that fact, and I think that was by taking the already existing samples from her V2. Can't they just do the same thing for SynthV?
@@pastelflowers9781 Oh yeah that is true
I hope they can do that, but Idk what the process is in making synthv voicebanks...
But now that I think about it maybe a SynthV Yuki would be possible, we'll see once hiyama/miki come out maybe there'll be news ?
@@kttstrwbry I hope so too.
@@kttstrwbry they could always find someone who sounds like the voice providers younger self or something :/
KIYOTERU IS A SYNTHV NOW???
Gackpo when, Crypton?
nah,miku lover are in your walls💀
Crypton is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay behind tho 💀
Why does everyone trashes or sass on Miku saying that her and the cryptonloids are getting ignored by Crypton by saying that she has waaayyyy too many stuff sis only has 10 voicebanks Gumi is deadass the Vocaloid to have 18 Voicebanks no joke.
Idk the video isnt meant to be taken that seriously lol but what bothers me is Miku's company focuses too much on merch and not on the voicebanks. Gumi is getting quality voicebanks while Miku is just getting new figures lol
Honestly, at this point, I feel like even UTAU is better than Vocaloid. Like, OpenUTAU is free, has an accessible interface, and has thousands upon thousands of voicebank options. Its even beginning to get AI voicebanks. Like it's actually kinda sad when you're being beaten by a free program.
UTAU has AI voicebanks? :0
@@kttstrwbry Yes! They're called ENUNU (I honestly don't know much about it yet, but I do know that Yokune Ruko has a new female ENUNU VB) and Diffsinger (Generally tend to specialize in English from my knowledge. Not super popular yet, but my personal favorite is Peiton DS!) voice banks! At one point ENUNU and Diffsinger were just plugins for the program, but now they're automatically included with the most recent update.
@@sheppin_wait Ruko is an ENUNU??? I didn't know that!
It would be funny if they get the AI voices and they say that they can talk normaly now
Wow gumi... when are you bringing your husband and child to synth v
GAKUPO AND RYUTO-
@@DefokoDelicDreamer-eq2cn bro every vocaloid with poid at the end is part of the poid family😭
ohg is teto voicebank and utau
Put LUKA in synthV!
Pls put vocaloid in synthV! Why that can’t happen?!
okay wow i missed a lot can someone pls explain
Gumi got an AI voicebank and it sounds soo much better than her vocaloid 6 voicebank, pointing out how much better SynthV is than vocaloid in terms of realism
Kaito: *Wakai mode* GUMI,that's not nice to said that epecialy in front of Miku. And Miku,that's very rude to slap her face like that *angrily scolded both Gumi and Miku*
Len: Kaito-nii,calm down
Meiko: Well,that's just a daily life of being everyones big brother is. Stoping agruments and fights like you and Rin
Luka: I agree
Rin and Len: No we don't
Teto: Oh yeah, then what about that icident on Good Big Brother Day when the both of you want to spent time with Kaito-san but both of you fight then got each end of his scraff and pull on it tighty on Kaito's neck and he chocked before he passed out. Our masters is very mad but also very angry on the both of you that they gave the both of you a very strict time out
Kaito: Yep,it happend
Stuff like this is why Vocaloid 4 is probably the last good Vocaloid engine 💀
which is funny because the only other good one is Vocaloid 2 (which is mostly due to nostalgia) If they actually improved things instead of letting their fandom carry the weight with good songs (mostly on V4) then they'd actually have a future
Its no wonder why Crypton tried making their own engine, because the UI and such for Vocaloid 6 sucks! Too bad Miku NT sounds horrible though :/
But I could not imagine Miku being on anything besides vocaloid... so her V4X voicebank may very well be the one people will use (since its still on sale)
Is this an advertisement for synth v?
I didn't mean it to be lmao synthv did not sponsor this video
to me it's just vocaloid slander lol
Hily fruit, I didn't even know Gumi was also a Synth V Voice bank, how did it happen?
They (Dreamtonics) kidnapped Gumi's voice provider and forced her to sing in a jail cell and fed the recordings to an AI that's replicates her voice
@@CrissCover Dang, 😨
I don’t really like SynthV in my opinion, Vocaloid has some kinda charm that makes it iconic but I love Teto and Genbu’s voice!!! But I won’t say much since my favor in tuning isn’t a realistic tuning unlike the majority,,, but despite having Gumi’s SynthV I do have a thing I don’t like about her, I don’t really like how her VB sounds a little drunk and in her normal range- NOTHING like Gumi, but that’s my opinion and mine differs a lot from the majority so yeah.
Can you do a tutorial for ai voices?
No
VOCALOID IS BETTER (IMO)
This is less a talkloid and more the creator of the video expressing their dissapointemnt on crypton
pretty much yeah lol, when I wanna talk about smthing I make vocaloids say it
oh hey you're the guy that's always on the hello street cat streams
@@Neaxnull how did you find me here in this video lol
@@galaxyexpress1020 I'm a vocalo-P on my main account lool
Im still calling it vocaliod
We all said UTAU is trash but at this point, OpenUTAU is much better than any version of the vocaloid software
Tbh i like tetos old vc better
Ok but vflower 💔
Tbh gumi sv was pretty bad