Doctor Who 3x13 REACTION!! "Last of the Time Lords"
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- Eric Shane Calvin and Aaron react to and discuss season 3 episode 13 of Doctor Who Last of the Time Lords
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The main connector between Boe and Jack is that the Face of Boe's dying words spell out YANA and the only other people who knew Yana was the Master apart from The Doctor were Martha and Jack.
Casualdoom12 also it was planned few seasons later that they would show how Jack became large head in the jar, but unfortunately they cut him from the episode. Headless monks and stuff.
Really? Where did you find this out?? Never heard of it. Sounds interesting.
So he sent billions of years as a head in a jar? That sounds like a living hell. Why wouldn't his body have just regrown? He got blown up once and pulled himself back together.
Jamie Christie Jack was meant to be in A Good Man Goes To War, but he wasn't able to because of filming commitments on Arrow. Given the people the headless monks recruit have heads that continue living indefinitely it makes sense that this might be the kind of thing that could change even Jack.
@@mjm3091 not it was always Davies fan to keep it ambiguous
The Face of Boe didn't die of old age, he died because he gave all of the energy he had to clear up that eternal traffic jam in New New York. Then again he was already sick before that apparently, so he might've eventually died of old age too.
Wolf6120 well he was dying in New Earth but healed or something, but he gave his last breath or something like that
I wonder if he died in New Earth only to come back to life again? He did make a miraculous recovery in that episode.
If you consider living for billions of years plus all of the torment his body was subjected to over the course of Torchwood and Doctor Who (having your soul sucked enough to overload Abaddon was a big one) it makes sense that he eventually would die
I thought the idea was that he became immortal due to being a fixed point in time, basically an event that had to occur in order for time to keep moving or he'd create a paradox. When he told The Doctor he wasn't alone, he was no longer trapped in the time loop so he died.
mca mac I love it
Remember the shakespear episode, they established that words can have power.
So the idea of the Doctor gaining power form everyone saying "Doctor" isn't completely pulled out of nowhere
Jack Staples no not completely, but mostly
they mentioned archangel being retro fitted into a telepathic filed and the mass of 6 billion humans thinking of him
It's silly, but it *is* properly set up that a name is powerful. It would have worked better if there was a reminder somewhere between the setup and pay-off, but it's internally consistent.
To be fair it was also silly there and Shakespeare Code also said "Power of a name only works once" so. 🤷♂️
@@PokerPlayerJames exactly. A problem with the new series are too many deus ex machina resolutions for the sake of emotional reactions rather than something that has logical narrative sense fitting the story universe. Yeah the old show how powerful enemies who could shoot lazers from eyes or fingers but there was still a limit. This has no basis in any kind of scientific theory even Whovian science. But worse than this I feel was Moffat's tenure where he had Amy Pond wish people back into existence because... reasons?
I love when the jack secret is revealed and Eric and Shane has a surprised face yet Calvin is just smiling his face off
Kalvin also just looks extremely annoyed with The Doctor was getting younger scene! XD
Brilliant scene
Jack was a Time Agent.
Dorium Maldovar had a Time Agent's wrist.
Dorium also worked with the Headless Monks.
The Headless Monks behead people.
The Face of Boe has no body.
😎
Also, unrelated, the Doctor towering over the Master was shown to be his greatest fear in a classic era episode. I think it was _The Mind of Evil._
spoilers ;)
In fairness they did that because Jack was meant to be in that episode instead of Dorium.
Yes that was what was originally supposed to happen in the episode
Wasn't it a book
Good for Martha. This was a graceful and heartfelt exit for her. It's not always easy to let go of certain things but she took herself out of a situation (the Doctor's lifestyle), realised that there was no chance of anything happening between her and The Doctor and then simply moved on to live her life. She developed really well as a character. No special powers or anything. She walked the Earth, spread the gospel of The Doctor and no longer saw herself as second best. She finally realised how good she was. It's bittersweet too because The Doctor feels guilty of how he treated her. The Face Of Boe reveal is great. Always nice to see people react to that scene with Jack. :)
Also in comparison to the other post-2009 companions, Martha really just had the worst time of it travelling alongside The Doctor. Not only because she liked someone who didn't like her back but also:
-Had to work in a shop to support herself and The Doctor when the Weeping Angel stranded them back in the past.
-Had to work as a servant while The Doctor erased his own memory as they were being hunted by The Family, during a time period where women and POC were given no respect.
-Nearly got jettisoned into the Sun.
-Acted as a rebel fighter for a year against The Master and his billions of death orbs while her family was made his slaves.
There are companions who had worse fates in their time with The Doctor but Martha's was just one long stretch of bad thing after bad thing. I cannot blame her for leaving it behind.
@@aros0018 Yes. Still want a Martha spinoff. My favorite companion and the one who deserved the best.
Gotta admit Eric, it would have been quite a twist if it was Rose piloting a massive time-and-space-travelling Titanic...
Wolf6120
If you count the S4 deleted scenes as canon then that is actually possible.
They said time lords look like humans, when in reality humans look like time lords
LODintheshadows I don't think they're there yet.
Time Lords came first by millions of years thanks to the time vortex
nothing to be there for, its obvious the time lords came first. even where they are, the doctor alone accounts for about a 1/6 of the time since the first human civilization.
Holy shit! Never realized the guy beside martha when they open one of the thingies is the guy playing Lucifer.
Btw: Funny he plays Lucifer and also is in a Dr.Who episode with a thing called "archangel network" lol That's one hell of a coincidence.
RagnarTheRed i didn't either I made an audible 'WHAT' when I saw him xD
RagnarTheRed Plus the theories of Tom being the next Doctor due to the BBC using a Lucifer balcony image.
"...hell...." Lol
Also, Tom Ellis is in Lucifer...which features an episode called the Sin Bin...which is an episode of Jessica Jones which dives into the backstory of Kilgrave...a man who can convince people to do anything by speaking...portrayed by David Tennant.
David Tennant also portrayed Barty Crouch Junior, who taught Harry Potter how to get out of the Imperius Curse, which convinces people to do anything.
He last appears in the chapter, "The Parting of the Ways"...which was the name of the episode in which David Tennant first portrays The Doctor...the same Doctor in THIS episode.
Do the guys in this video realise its him
fun fact: John Simms (actor playing the master) was almost the 10th doctor before they cast Tennant.
"Is that the titanic?"
*two seconds later*
"It's the titanic!"
The theory of Jack being the Face of Boe is true. He can't die and will just grow older and older until eventual death which we saw this season. It is mentioned that the Face of Boe was decapitated by the Headless Monks (They appear in Matt Smiths run) and is put in the water tank to keep him from dying -he can't die from wounds but decapitation is overkill. Then as we have seen the Face of Boe gives all his last energy to save New New York and let the cars come up from the subway.
In one of the episodes of Torchwood, he got a bomb implanted inside him and he was blown into so many pieces they needed a rubbish bag to collect him. He regenerated from the slag, so I can't imagine decapitation would take him out. I believe Jack is the face of Boe, I just don't see why he wouldn't regrow his body.
Peyton mac sorry, I know this is old. But the reason Jack wouldn’t regrow a new body was because according to Matt Smith in “A Good Man Goes to War,” the headless monks mastered the art of decapitation while still keeping the original body alive. Hence why the headless monks can even exist and walk around. So Jack couldn’t have sprouted a new body since his head was still alive technically. I don’t know how he was able to die permanently as the Face of Boe, but I doubt we’ll ever learn about that.
Does that mean there's an immortal headless monk running around?
@@mainemail5506 that’s an awesome idea!! I wish these TH-cam comments were like Reddit and everyone could come in and discuss. It’s been 4 years since I watched this haha wow!!
@@hannahmerlino2462 I mean we never explicitly learned that Jack *can’t* die, just that Rose brought him back “too much”. There’s no reason why he couldn’t have a limited amount of regenerations, and that number is just absurdly large.
A big headed alien from the future surrounded by balls.
Then he turns into the Face of Boe.
Jack's not an alien, though, he's from Earth.
Jed Blue He's a human Subspecies, but not an Earthling.
Huh, that's pretty cool actually. Where did they say he's from a different subspecies? I thought he was just a regular human who happened to be born on a different planet. Actually I *thought* he was from Earth and came from a peninsula that will either be created or renamed in the next 400 years, but different planet works too.
Jack is Human just not from Earth he's from the Boeshane peninsula in the 51st century humans had populated other planets and systems.
Sorry, I misremembered and thoguht he was from the 25th century for some reason. So 3000 years, not 400. And thank you, that makes sense!
Was waiting for this one and I look forward to seeing series 4 reactions even more. The episode isn't perfect but man do I get teary-eyed when the doctor is holding the master's body it shows how much he cares about his race how much the decision he made affected him. He is ready to forgive the master even after all the awful things he has done these past 3 episodes, *_Definitely a friendship older than our civilization, and infinitely more complex._*
At the end of the day, even if he's a deranged, heartless, lunatic, he's still pretty much the only living being left in the universe that can truly understand the Doctor's experience and thought processes.
They were best friends as kids growing up on Gallifrey, the Master went crazy after he looked into the Schism which all who are to become time lords do he couldn't handle the Sound of the drums which of course we eventually find out how it gets there.
Mark Guerrero most people believe series 4 is nu who's peak so that isn't true.
David Blyth Yeah, two of the highest rated episodes since the show came back. I get the problems with it. Donna flicking a few switches to beat the Daleks isn't the greatest but "utter shit" is pushing it. There's a reason why that finale is as highly rated as it is, it's because it's the most fun Doctor Who has ever been. No other finale packs as much punch as that one. That's why I love it even if it has some problems.
Anyone else amused that they keep bringing up the reapers from series 1? It's kind of sad to think they'll be waiting for them to come back forever.
Maye someone can send them that multi-doctor comic that had them.
NekoVira Four Doctors, but it contains many spoilers from the show (at least up until Series 8).
Well I didn't mean NOW obviously, whenever they reach the apropriate point.
It was around series 3 or so that I realized they weren't going to be bringing back the Reapers... :/
I assumed that they'd use them if they needed them for the story, there hasn't really been a story that justifies them being there.
I teased this on the last Doctor Who video, so here goes... time to tell the story of the Toclafane, the never-made episode Absence of the Daleks, and how elements of the Series 3 finale were originally planned for the Eccleston finale.
So back in the day, I used to hang out a lot in the comments section of Phil Sandifer's old Doctor Who blog, TARDIS Eruditorum. One of the occasional commenters there was Rob Shearman, writer of the Series 1 episode "Dalek" (among other things).
And one day, he told us this story:
During production of the first series of New Who, for a while it looked like they weren't going to be allowed to use the Daleks. The BBC doesn't actually own the rights to the Daleks--they're owned by the estate of Terry Nation--and they weren't sure if they'd be able to get permission. This was obviously going to be a problem for episodes like, well, "Dalek," not to mention the whole concept of the Time War.
So Russell T. Davies created a backup plan in case the Daleks were unusable (not the first time Doctor Who has done this--that's where the Cybermen come from): the Toclafane. In this version of the story, the Time War was between Time Lords and Toclafane, but they never actually SAW the Toclafane, just their little orbs of death and other weapons--and they seemed to just come out of nowhere. He assigned Shearman to write an alternate version of "Dalek," which Shearman jokingly titled "Absence of the Daleks," in which instead of a lone Dalek survivor of the Time War, it was a lone Toclafane. The episode would then proceed much the same, except that you would never SEE what was inside the metal shell, and since it self-destructed the mystery of what the Toclafane were and where they came from wasn't answered.
Until the "Bad Wolf"/"Parting of the Ways" finale. In the Toclafane version of that, it would turn out that (just like this episode), the Toclafane were the evil future descendants of humanity, traveling back from the end of time to conquer the past. Using the TARDIS to create a paradox, they would return to destroy Earth, and the only way the Doctor could stop them is by wiping out humanity himself--undoing the whole Time War and restoring the Time Lords--but he couldn't bring himself to do it.
Then Rose looks into the heart of the TARDIS etc., just like in the filmed episode.
I wish I could find the comment thread Shearman told the story in, but I don't remember what entry it was a comment on and there are a LOT to go through. Plus Phil's changed sites and merged his blog with a bunch of others and the archives are kind of a pain.
Jed Blue this actually makes sence considering that dalek is basicly just a re-telling of his big finnish story jubilee. (Still dalek is my fav new who episode)
It's definitely my fav Eccleston episode, it's the point where I went from "the new series is okay but I dunno" to "holy shit new series."
Thanks for this. Very interesting.
Jed Blue I knew the Tocalfane were going to be replacements for the Daleks but I didn't know about the other stuff. I sort of wish we didn't get the Daleks back for Series 1 now. Sounds pretty good to me.
I kind of would have preferred the toclafane to the daleks. I like the daleks, but they have been seriously over used in new Who.
I'm glad they all seem to like Martha a lot and appreciate how much work and responsibility she took on with the Doctor. I've always thought of her as one of the most dependable, hard-working companions The Doctor has had and really like her for that reason. Sadly nearly every other person I speak to places Martha as their least favourite companion because of her unrequited love arc, but I think whilst a valid point looking solely at that is a disservice to all of the amazing things she did during her season.
I don't even think it is a valid point; unrequited love isn't a storyline that shouldn't be done. The character was facing a lot because of racism and I wonder whether that isn't just something people latch onto. I would have liked the Doctor to have treated Martha better, even though his trauma because of how Rose left is a valid storyline. Had they delved into all of this more deeply, it might have been interesting. Alternatively, the Doctor could have just treated her better and not made her feel like second best. I mean, Rose is also portrayed as being in love with the Doctor, but no one finds that outrageous. Jack pretty much said he has unrequited love for the Doctor too.
I can't wait till silence in the library
Lord Venaru Spoilers
Thicc boiii ???????
Ice cream.
Thicc boiii saying the title isn't a spoiler
Lord Strax I believe he was referencing a recurring line from a character that gets introduced in said episode... "Spoilers!"
The monk people from the Matt Smith were originally gonna be the people who cut off Jack's head.
It sad that they didn't use it after all.
i didnt realise that I came here to watch 50 minutes of talking about how Jack is the Face of Boe :)
The way I always understood it is this....eventually Jack gets to a certain age where people from wherever he is from would usually die of old age. He dies and then comes back. His body realizes that unless it adapts, it will be a neverending cycle of him dying every other minute. So it evolves into a body that can live longer than he normally would. That process continues for millions or billions of years. That's why he is completely different by the end of it all--because his body evolved continuously until it couldn't anymore. The only reason he died is because he used his energy or whatever to save New New New (etc) New York.
Can’t wait for them to get to Donna, And meet Wilfred! He’s such a good actor
And such a great arc for him as well.
Given how well the Master reveal worked after they watched the Five Doctors, it could be good for them to watch Genesis of the Daleks before season 4. They already know Sarah Jane, so that could be the hook.
I just noticed that Thomas Milligan is Tom Ellis. He plays as Lucifer Morningstar in Lucifer!
Well Eric was wondering a couple episodes ago how the Face of Boe knew that the Doctor was "not alone" but if Jack does become the Face it explains how he knew.
Jack is like a law of the universe now
think of it this way
1. Gravity (small objects attracted to larger ones)
2. Light travels at X speed in a vacuum
3. Jack MUST exist
BADWOLF changed the rules of the universe.
Some of the things you guys complain about are really silly and shouldn't need explaining? Like the soldiers? Not that hard to figure out guys. They switched sides cos they had a shot at defeating the master. they were never with him, they were all being threatened.
Revised edition: Jack must exist and flrit with every living, and sometimes non living, thing
Jack MUST exist until he doesn't in Gridlock.
I still do not buy that Captain Jack and the Face of Boe are one and the same
Wait...Tom dies and becomes Lucifer?
Urvish Valand yes, yes he did
Got to love Tom Ellis (Lucifer)’s role in this too, I completely forgot until I saw it again
He and Martha get engaged
I think there actually was a hint at the cause of the Face of Boe looking the way he does in the episode with everyone stuck on the motorway in New New York. The cat guy warned the Doctor to stay out of the fumes because he once knew of a girl who stood out in the fumes for 20 minutes and her head swelled to be fifty feet. Maybe Jack spent too much time in the fumes?
I remember watching this when it aired and I couldn’t stop laughing at The Face Of Boe revelation
Rose's biggest power was her heart and empathy for people. Martha used her head more (not that she didn't care or feel, but this is how I generally see these two wonderful ladies)
IS THAT..... LUCIFER?????? I never noticed before today!!!!
When 5 billion years old you reach... Look as good, you will not.
They say right before the reaction that they are going be watching a minisode next week and the only minisode that it could be is Time Crash yet the comments are full of "make sure you watch Time Crash before next series". This is the reason why the Doctor must look at this planet and turn away in shame.
So, do you think they'll be watching _Time Crash?_ I sure hope so. ;)
The deus ex machina magic stuff that brought the Doctor back because everybody chanted his name is a bit on the cheesy side, I'll admit, but if you remember earlier in the series and The Shakespeare Code, they did bring up the concept of "word science" and magic and the power of a name. It might have been a good idea to squeeze in a flashback shot from that episode, or a line of dialogue referencing it, because if you forget that episode happened it does seem like it's coming out of left field. Martha did mention that she met Shakespeare, I suppose, but that might not have been enough to recall the whole magic concept. Either way I feel like this season ties everything together really well, especially theme-wise, even if you might not notice everything the first time around.
All the season finales in the new series pretty much used deus ex machina resolutions. The first one literally with Rose somehow becoming a god because looked inside the heart of the Tardis then destroyed an entire Dalek fleet with a wave of her hand. The second one was not so godly but it was equally an easily resolved one with a flip of the switch sucking thousands of cybermen and daleks into the void. In Season 4 Donna mentally becomes like a Timelord somehow and another fleet of Daleks gets taken out easily with some flip switching.
Pandorica/Big Bang though was the worst. At least the other ones made sense even it was a silly explanation and it was all wrapped up at the end. Moffat gave us a convoluted unanswered finale where the Tardis blowing up somehow destroyed or erased from existence the universe because...reasons? And even though the Doctor is erased from existence and memory he is somehow brought back into existence by someone's wish? I wish people would just make good stories and stop trying to be clever (when they're not)
When you become so immune to swearing because you do it yourself so often , and you don't realize the crew even swear at all until you watch at grandparent's house and Eric starts dropping F bombs every ten seconds.
Tom is Tom Ellis. The actor that stars in FOX's Lucifer
They don't ever seed that Jack was The Face of Boe it wasn't planned or anything, it's just a fun connection. It's not this grand mystery to be solved it's just a thing.
But it worked out well that they needed a reason why the Face of Boe knew the Doctor was not alone, and there was only one witness to those events who could even live that long to tell the Doctor.
I really got into the show during the 11th doctor's run and really loved it, but man i loved David Tennant's Doctor. You can really tell that he was a fan of the show, he gives his all to it. It's not just a big role he got as an actor, it's THE DOCTOR and he knows what that means. As much as I love the 11th doctor and his run, most of his seasons are in my top 5 and they have my favorite episode, David Tenant's doctor is my favorite Doctor.
Dalek's weren't made out of humans, they were their own race, but a war on their planet (Not the time war) turned their home into a nuclear wasteland.
To compensate, they built those metal bodies to survive but in the process, they sacrificed all emotions except for hate.
TheHappy_P0tat0 they meant in Parting Of The Ways, the emperor used dead humans body’s skin to make the Kaled’s
I always took Jacks immortality as pretty much, Rose brought him back to life, by making him being alive a fact. Not by reviving him, and thus since it is a *fact* through all of time that Jack is alive he cant stay dead
Its not the only time that doctor who plays with the power of belief and its effects on our world. I really like the idea behind it but i dont think it was the best way to resolve this story-line, still great reaction tho guys!
(Spoilers)
Now it's time for Donna 😀 She's my favourite companion beside Rose. Rose is like lover and Donna is the best friend to Doctor. So she is my favourite best friend of the Doctor 😀
iKaroliina mine too but SPPPOIIILERS
Amen. (And it's kind of funny, Eight had somewhat of the same thing in the audios. He had a girl he fell for (Charley), then the mouthy best friend (Lucie). He just didn't have the rebound girl crushing on him in between like Ten had. I kind of think it worked out better that way. I like Martha (when she's not being jealous and bitter) but I almost wish it had gone from Rose to Donna without the awkward, uncomfortable bit in between. It wasn't meant to be, though, since Billie wanted to move on and Catherine was too busy at the time to be a full-time companion.)
StormWolf I'm thinking about getting into the eighth audios soon. Exited now 😊
I really hope they like her, since they didn't really like her when they watched The Runaway Bride
if you want to do a post with spoilers, add lots of spaces after the word spoilers so that they have to press read more like
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"Titanic or some shit? It is titanic or shit" I laughed so hard xD
2:12 when suddenly Tom Ellis :D
9:02 I want the reapers to come back solely so that they can explain more clearly what they do.
Companion: "You've encountered paradoxes before, why is it here now?"
Doctor: "They're scavengers, not police. Whenever they appear, they don't care that it's a paradox; they care that they've found a meal."
My interpretation of Jack is that as we know, time is not a linear progression of cause to effect but more like a big ball of stuff.
So Jack is brought back to life (maybe because of) and from that moment, him imparting his final secret to The Doctor at the end of his life, is a fixed point in time, which is why HE is a fixed point. As far as time is concerned, that HAS to happen, so every time Jack dies, the universe does not let him die because he has yet to deliver his final secret.
The idea with Jack is that he has been infused with the Time Vortex energy from Bad Wolf Rose and now he has a very huge charge of that power but it's still like a battery. He ages and the energy wears out, eventhough very very very slowly.
"It's a f*cking shield helicarrier". Doctor who did it first. 2007 > 2012.
Whenever an assistant leaves voluntarily, like Martha or some of the Classic era assistants, I always wonder why they never say "Hey Doctor I want to leave but can you please put me back in time to when you took me away" or even "Doctor, can you take me to a nice planet that doesn't use money where I can retire?".
They always seem to forget he has a time machine that can take them anywhere and anywhen.
As for this episode I've always quite over the top and silly with that psychic transfiguration nonsense. They did have a nice run around a place I used to work at though.
Speaking of Tom, are you guys planning on reacting to Lucifer?
remember the ep grid lock they says someone stood out in the smog and the grew a giant head, so that could be jack they are talking about also :)
Stephanie Reacts yeh, good catch! Bannigan- "Imagine picking that nose."
The Face Of Boe Reveal was added in the last minute as a joke
Then it became canon, according to RTD.
RTD always says not to take it too seriously. He might be, might not be and if he ever does a Torchwood story that contradicts it, so be it, cos he might not be The Face of Boe. All the other producers and high-ups on Doctor Who back then though and John Barrowman himself really want it to be canon.
It DOES explain how the Face of Boe knew “You Are Not Alone” neatly
They planned for jack to come back in a good man goes to war and gets beheaded by the headless monks and that’s why he’s a big head
Are you guys going to watch "Time Crash"? The short set between Last of the Time Lords and the Titanic episode?
Yay! I hope they reacts to the Space/Time 2 part minisode, and then The Night Of The Doctor. After that I'm fine if they skip the other minisodes.
"I was on another ship once, they said that was unsinkable and we ended up ramming into an iceberg!"
- Ninth Doctor
Or. it's possible that Jack called himself Jack, ,and that others still called him The Face of Boa. I think this because what the phrase "the face of boa" means. So, over time, Jack could have just accepted that is what people called him. Because wasn't Jack basically a space pirate? So, Jack could be his con name.
Was waiting for Eric's reaction to Jack's comment. Calvin with his moment to Eric react was great.
Didn't realise that was Tom Ellis helping Martha, he plays Lucifer Morningstar in Lucifer which i recommend watching because it's brilliant.
In one Interview David Tennant or John Barrowman idk described his reaction as he read the script for this scene. It was also wtf and he ran to the writer to thank him for this reveal
Oh man look at the young Tom Ellis
I love Eric's reaction to the Face of Boe reveal. And Martha was definitely the Doctor's "rebound" at this point in the show. I was proud of her realizing that and doing what's best for herself. Look forward to Blind Wave's reactions to one of my favorite seasons of Doctor Who, Season 4.
And that kiss between Martha's parents was a bit off with the father keeping his eyes open during it. I don't know what that was about.
Can't wait for stolen earth and journey's end due to all the crossovers
cant wait for the whole river song arc to begin in season 4
The story about Jack and the face of boe was that he was supposedly beheaded by monks, the same way Dorium in Season 6. I think john barrowman was suppose to be in series 6 but wasnt. They allude to him being beheaded q few times
Eric's reaction to "The face of boe" revelation 😂💯👍 Priceless
So glad they're watching Time Crash. I'd also love it if they could watch another few Classic Doctor Who stories, though I know they probably won't, since they're longer. There just aren't that many reactions for Classic Who on TH-cam.
First, time-lords might not age the same as humans, second: My theory on Jack becoming the face of Boe is that since your ears and nose keep growing, and we know from Cassandra that drastic surgery is possible, and that Jack is vain, it’s possible he had the rest of his face enlarged as time went on to match his nose and ears. Eventually the rest of his body withered away or became useless.
It’s a very Jack move to embrace the “Face of Boe” title and run with it.
The reason he couldn’t just reduce the size of his nose and ears is that they would regenerate to the larger size, whereas artificially enlarged lips (for instance) would be forced to regenerate around the implants or whatever makes them large. Or it’s possible that the rest of his face was fake except the nose and ears, so that he wasn’t the “Nose and ears of Boe”
My personal headcanon about Jack/The face of Boe is that when Rose/Bad Wolf resurrected him, she made him a fixed point, meaning at every moment in time there has to be at least one Jack somewhere in the universe(or more since he does at times travel through time). So he physically _can't_ die, he just keeps living, no matter what, until (from his perspective) he's existed at every point in time at least once. That obviously would take him like a googol years or sth, which is a lot of time for strange things to happen to him and for his body to change and for legends to form around him. And in Gridlock it's just him at a point in his personal timeline after he's already lived at every point in time. So this time, it's not impossible for him to die anymore.
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This is the moment we've all been waiting for since the second episode...
Now the next great wait is "Spoilers!"
Sophie Filo “run, run you beautiful boy and find me”. 😉
The reason jack ends up as face of boe is because during the 2nd Matt smith season it’s stated that the head of a time traveller was cut off, so when jack come back to life he no longer has a body. But his head continues to grow. When this happened I think that with jacks sence of humour he would find it funny to go by the name of face of boe, also because he’s off earth this might be a more excepted name to other aliens within the Socorro who universe.
“He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby becomes a monster. And if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee.”
Friedrich Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil.
Whoa! Just realized that the actor in Lucifer was a soldier in this episode.
Today is the day I realize Tom Ellis was in a Doctor Who episode lol
The face of Boe, gave all his remaining energy to open the flyways and release the people trapped there.
no one knows the exact age for the face Of Boe but he is billions of years old, based on the timeline of the Dr.who Episodes that Face of Boe appears in
The first clue comes from "the end of the world" the second episode of season one where you first see him along with Cassandra and the Tree lady that was set in the year Five billion and the second clue is "Gridlock" Season three episode Three the episode in which the Face of Boe dies which was set in the year five billion and fifty three, so he would have lived for at least that length of time.
Also just to add the seeds of Jack being Face of Boe are there in "Gridlock" and "Utopia" in gridlock he calls the doctor old friend like he has known the doctor a long time even though this had only been the second time that the Doctor had met him as the face of Boe.
But the biggest clue is when he said "you are not alone" ie letting the Doctor know of what is to come with YANA becoming the Master there is no way anyone else would know that other than Martha and she can't live for billions of years to tell the doctor that.
The noise in the master's head and in the theme tune is the heartbeat of gallifreyans. Two hearts, remember.
You guys should watch Lucifer. It's amazing
You did it. 2 years later they listened to your comment and are watching Lucifer
I was so excited for them to watch this episode. I remember the first time I saw it I was so shocked over the face of boe reveal. I have never been that surprised by a tv show. I think it is one of the best twists ever. I wanted to see their reactions so bad and they did not disappoint.
The Time Reapers only appear when “Fixed Points” are damaged/changed. From what I remember time is almost entirely fluid and can be changed, except for certain points. They sort of act as pillars of time, and if they are removed, then time can collapse.
"He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster.
And if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee."
Oh, hello Lucifer, didn't see you there
I'm glad you guys remembered the time reapers cause the writer's sure didn't.
I feel like the reason the troops aboard the valiant turned on the Master instantly was cause they were serving him out of fear thanks to the archangel network, just like the rest of the human race. So when they broke up the network from The Master's command they were able to think freely again.
They probably could have done a tiny shot on one of the soldiers maybe saying they're free of his control again or something but either way I think that's why they turned so instantly. You have to remember in the end they were just as human as the rest of their race, so they would've felt the networks control via fear
gotta say, even though the Doctor's Jesus moment is cringy from a visual standpoint, everything around it is incredibly well done, I get genuinely emotional when the Master dies in the Doctor's arms, and Martha is an absolute badass in this one
edit: and of course, the Face of Boe reveal is amazing lol
Iirc, the face of Bo also called the Doctor old friend and all that, whereas the Doctor said that they never met yet as far as he knows.
Aaron mentioned the 4 taps in the theme song, but he missed the other reference. The first time you hear the Master's "sound of drums" is in Smith and Jones, when Martha listens to the Doctor's heart in the hospital. 4 taps = heartbeat of 2 hearts in a timelord. So when the Master is dying and asks "Will the drumming stop?", he doesn't realize he's been hearing the sound of his own heartbeat.
Poor guy. If someone had just taken him to a GP and had him checked for pulsatile tinnitus, his life may have been far different.
"HG Wells meets CS Lewis meets Father Christmas. That's who the Doctor is."-Verity Lambert, 'An Adventure ins Space and Time'.
Ya’ll need to appreciate Davids acting more. Because no other modern Doctor puts that much emotion into the roll.
slayley 14 I disagree. Eccleston, Smith & Capaldi are all exceptional Doctors, who put a lot of emotion into their performances
David tenant is the worst doctor. Compare capaldis zygon speach to any 10th doctor moment. Even smith was better than tenant
slayley 14 I have to disagree with you there- while all of the new-who doctors have amazing emotional moments, and I myself grew up on tennant, capaldi has been the only one who I think puts his all into every single minute of every single episode, simply because of his own love for the show
Peter was more the doctor than David, and the 9th Doctor was way more emotional coming from a war with his own kind dead, and Matts run and Peters run was way way more emotional, you don’t need romance crap to make stuff emotional
Huh didn't know Tom Ellis was in this.
HOW IN THE GOOD LORDS HELL DID I FORGET THE DEVIL HIMSELF WAS IN THIS EPISODE..?
"Detective..!"
The one reactor just smiling like the cat that ate the canary.
The end of the best new DW season in my opinion and can't wait for s4 reacts. Martha is my fav companion :)
I like Martha probably my 4th new who favourite, but Clara is my favourite
Yeah i like clara too even though people hate her,i also love most if not all episodes that she was in with the 11th doc.
I just realized that Bad Wolf saw all of time, everything that is going to happen. So Captain Jack didn't comeback immortal, if he was then he wouldn't have that energy that kept bring him back to life. Bad Wolf "TARDIS" extended his life for 5 billion years so Jack and Face of Boe can do what they do for the Doctor.
I think the Face Of Bo can be explained different, hes not regenerating. Rose placed apowerful time paradox on him. So when Jack dies hes not regenerating, time itself is warping is body back to before he was just attacked. TheDoctor doesnt want to drag a paradox with him through time so he ditches him. And i think his head grows because of him aging and the paradox, like a tumor ha.
"Don't die as an old man. I want to see this beatiful face again."
Well, your wish will come true, years later.
The Star Wars example wasn’t originally planned, just a happy coincidence.
"Is that the Titanic or some shit?"
(Life preserver reads 'Titanic')
"It's the Titanic or some shit!"
The cat nurse says the face of boe has lived for millions of years the. Almost immediately the next episode with him jack asks what would happen if he just kept aging for a million years. Also maybe jacks face went all dr willow
The only clue that The Face of Boe is Captain Jack is him knowing that Yana is The Master, so he created the phrase "You are not alone" to reveal the information as well as show who it is. Russell T Davis only came up with it all when creating series 3 though as a convenient joke.
the face of boe thing IS true. it is canonically confirmed that he is the face of boe, the writers wrote it like that purposefully. things even line up, i dunno why they were so shaky on the acceptance thing. i've watched the making of the episode too and even the actors confirmed that it was a twist they were really excited about when they first read it. i hope someone tells them it's canon.
When I first watched it, I just assumed when Jack aged so far, he pulled a Cassandra and started doing things to alter his looks, using alien tech and things that changed him a little at a time. Or someone cut off Jack's head and it didn't kill him so he was put in the tank to keep him comfortable?