Yeah, but honestly I'm not complaining. I'm keeping full creative control this way and don't feel any obligation to say anything other than what I honestly think and feel. This works for me
feel like the dreadhorde general complaint is a bit of a non issue. new players will look at you like you have 12 heads if you start going on about “ah well, i don’t really think this card represents her well due to where she was in her character arc” while they’re still figuring out what a loyalty counter even is. she uses black mana and manipulates the dead, really all you have to know as a new player
Oh yeah of course. It's less of an issue, and more of a style choice that I think I'd have made differently. Dreadhordes inclusion is in no way wrong, I just would have gone another way I think
Also a big point the red cat seems to miss is that the set isn't about introducing newer players to the *lore* or *history* of the game, it is about introducing newer players to the *mechanics* and *playstyles* . Dreadhorde General is the perfect representative for Black in a planeswalker ; Creates zombies (very black), draws cards on creatures dying (very black), force sacrifice aka edict effect (very black)... she's a perfect fit to introduce new player to the color Black through a planeswalker, who fucking cares what her lore was during her first printing lol pretty much the biggest stretch i've seen bobcat done
@@TheSmartCinemai do agree that this planeswalker is really good at doing black stuff, and therefore is a good choice in this set. But to quote you, „who fucking cares what her lore was“ hits (unintentionally I assume) so close to home with regards to WotCs recent attitude concerning the original Magic IP and lore, and if that is not damming somehow, I don’t know what is. I just think it’s ironic, that’s all.
What could have helped would be to maybe look at other Liliana planeswalkers and see if there is a mechanically similar version that is also less lore-restricted and not yet in Standard. Other Lilianas however either care about Zombies, Mill or Recursion. Those, while classic black archetypes, are much more restrictive with the decks that Liliana reasonably could go into and be valuable. Dreadhorde Lili is more versatile. Overall, I think Bobcat has a point, but does not think it through all the way. Lore should not be the most important criterion when it comes to being in this set. If there was a mechanically similar Lili that was less pinned down in terms of the lore, maybe you could argue to include her instead, but I think because of ease of playability and very flavorful mechanics, Lili the Dreadhorde General is probably the best choice. If you don’t think that lore should matter at all, that is also fine. I just don’t think it’s fair to totally discredit that aspect, especially since WotC already seemingly tries to get as far away as possible from it‘s own IP and its lore.
It feels so much like an old core set and I'm loving it. Also I could never sour progenitus by calling it a commander card. The poster child of Timmy's everywhere. Cause what's cooler than a 10/10 protection from everything? It doesn't even die to terror.
6:08 obviously they won’t be legal the whole time this is, but Standard’s got plenty of utterly obnoxious keyword soup reanimation targets already like Valgavoth, it being colourless isn’t even that important, the Atraxa decks often can’t hard cast her whatsoever anyway the thing that’s funny about Sire to me though is that they tried so hard to make everything about it related to ‘seven’ and then made it collector number 0001.
But the fact that it's only 7 mana _and_ colorless makes it much more castable than Atraxa. Atraxa is quite hard to cast, but Sire is pretty easy. You can reasonably cast it on turn 7 pretty consistently in any deck, which I think is a problem (in Standard)
@@j-rey- Standard games often don’t get to turn 7. It’s primarily a reanimation target, it being colourless is almost entirely irrelevant as the card pool stands right now, and FDN’s own zombify is 4 mana so I can’t see that changing.
This is my favorite Foundations video I have seen. As a new player I learn so much from you discussing these cards, from a powercreep/story/flavour perspective. I would definitely watch a video of you just talking about all noteworthy cards in the set. A lot of magic content is based around either power lvl, or $ value. It is way more insightful to learn why a certain card feels odd in a set, or where a certain character comes from :)
It's exactly why I do it. I've got a bunch more box openings like this one on the channel too if you want to see me do the same thing with other sets. I believe they're all in a playlist
Just a heads up: I have no idea which cards in Foundations would have had ability words removed for clarification's sake because I've seen precious little of the set. But ability words are specifically the italicised "keywords" that represent a group of abilities with a theme. Think landfall, battalion or heroic. These abilities tend to do different things on each card, so they can't be keywords, and the rules text functions the same without them.
havent even watched yet but i wanna say i love these for no reason other than its a fun challenge Ive tried myself - and i enjoy your pack by pack analysis. a unique trait no one else does on youtube
Fun, but can be very expensive! I've been working on a format where you each basically do exactly this, and then you kind of have a mini draft at the end with everyones left overs to give you a better chance at finishing your deck. I'll put a video out on it when i think I've cracked the best way to do it
@RedBobcatGames well you can always use websites like Draftmancer to do this for free! And draft really old sets to see how they compare? Fun stuff like that :)
@RedBobcatGames I did the math based on the MSRP USD $5.25 per Play Booster pack. Times 12, is $63 for 12 Pack Commander Scramble Foundations. I saw that Innistrad Remaster will be $6.99 per Play Booster pack and Aetherdrift will be set at $5.49 .... So those would be even more expensive at $83.88 and $65.88 respectively if bought at MSRP (tax not included).
8:19 It was done with two cards. 1. Surrak, the Hunt Caller (Where Formidable was removed) 2. Venom Connoisseur (Where Alliance was removed) This makes sense as these abilities aren't prominent in Foundations, while Threshold is.
4:15 - I know nothing about the contents of this set; I saw the card Hare Apparent as I paused the video; got unreasonably angry; and then I kept watching your lovely video. 13:58 - And there it is, what I had a slow burn waiting for for nearly 10 minutes. Thank you.
Haha, you're welcome! Shivan Dragon won out because I wanted to start off somewhat positive, and being a common I thought we'd be more likely we'd get another of the hare than we would the dragon in a later pack. Luckily I was correct
Thanks for this video. It’s really insightful. I just happened to be in the situation of cobbling together a commander deck from scratch from mainly foundations to attend a local gaming shop commander event this weekend with fantastic door prizes and a treasure hunt.
That sounds like fun. If you're new and looking for some deck building advice, I did a video on how to draft a while back that goes over some tips which will translate to commander well enough. If you're not new, then I'll just say good luck, and thank you very much for the comment
I think dread horde general was chosen because of the war of the spark trailers which pulled me into magic. I think most people with only a passing of magic the gathering will remember that trailers and be happy her and remember her turning towards good
I love the idea of Zatu games being some mysterious benefactor that drops a gift off in the night and throws a smokebomb when you call out for them to explain their kindness XD
I'm glad most people have embraced Foundations overall as the point of references that it was supposed to be - this is ALL of MTG. It feels like a good set and a reminder of what Magic should be. I'm not exactly thrilled for the next major sets while FF is a set that is targeted at me so its weird that Innistrad Remastered and Aetherdrift both feel like a holding pattern. One is a return to a setting that I'm not a fan of (uhg, day/night) and 'WoOoah Wacky' sets. Its strange that I feel that way and yet I think of Bloomburrow and Thunder Junction slightly more... Cohesive? Like they stand on their own. I guess because a card from Thunder Junction was my first commander card and Bloomburrow is the first set of MTG cards that made me pay attention to magic in general - a fresh jumping on point that didn't come with the baggage of "what are these Machines and why are they marching?" Also, the annoyance about Hare Apparent confuses me... Its an inversion of what you're expecting, play on words, all that stupid stuff. Humor is subjective and all but like... I both like the card and the stupid word play joke. Either way, love these vids, keep it up!
14:15 speaking as a newer player, I actually really like the cards with funny names like that. To me, that's one of the ways magic differentiates itself from other card games. I don't like when a game takes itself too seriously (especially in games that are meant to be open-ended and creative). I can honestly say I really enjoyed opening my first pack ever and seeing "Crumb and Get It." Yeah it's silly and kinda stupid, but I'm a pun enjoyer and I'm not ashamed to admit it! Idk, I just think it comes down to personal preference. Like personally I don't really like the names of cards like "Anger." Really? Anger? Just the concept of anger? Or there's a guy and his name is anger? Yeesh. I think for every edgy card there can and should be a lighthearted one and vice versa. Honestly though, I can see how from the perspective of a long-time player this kind of stuff can seem a bit grating, but the game being a bit dumb and whimsical is definitely a part of my enjoyment.
That's fair. I find "Crumb and get it" particularly upsetting, but I think I'd be a lot more forgiving if I felt WotC were paying as much attention to the lore and world building as I think it deserves. Though, in fairness again, they are getting better
I made a commander deck with my starter collection. It wasn't very good, I called it my foundations pile,, but there a lot of options if I want to take a second crack at it. If I had better game knowledge I probably could have made it better.
As an example of cards that had ability words removed- Flamewake Phoenix no longer includes ferocious. Which is funny, because despite Ferocious supposedly being a failed mechanic it's been repurposed as a draft archetype for Green-Red without the ability word in tons of sets since Tarkir (LoTR, wilds of eldraine, theros beyond death, war of the spark, Core Set 2021, etc.)
I think that foundations was a very good set that demonstrated what Magic as a brand is, my only issue is this will not be the direction they are taking going forward and half of all sets now won't be Magic.
WOTC had thought of doing a Commander Pre-release event by selling booster boxes and making a 60 card commander deck, but with each legendary creature being treated as having partner
Additionally, Heir Apparent gives Hare Apparent a hint of dramatic irony. Even more so when it makes me hares when there are more hares and Hare Apparents. This, along with the fact it's not Legendary, which could mean "there is more than one in existence", tells a story that implies they're self-proclaimed Heir Apparent, despite nobody being able to identify them in a crowd. And I think that "A story on one card" design is fine, but it does run the risk of fallling short.
You may very well be right about Hare Apparent and me not understanding the joke. I hope so, though WotC haven't earned the benefit of the doubt with me honestly
Dreadhorde General was probably the wrong choice, but that alternate art version is amazing. I’d been meaning to pick up the card for a while, and I was able to get the alt art version for a bit less than the pre-reprint price. So I can’t really be mad about it.
Its possible the core reason it was being classified a commander set is due to the supplemental card from the set that weren't printed in boosters. That are still legal in standard though.
I think it was more a preconception from a lot of players who have learned that WotC seem to put Commander cards into EVERY set, and so they went in expecting this to be the same
I don't think judging a set by how many commander decks can be built out of an arbitrary number of booster packs is fair, since most commander players won't play sealed nor buy boxes to count the cards by color. In any case, I think this "scarcity" is made by design to make people buy more booster packs/boxes to pull out the chasecards they look for, regardless of the format. That's just mho.
No I think you're right. They certainly manipulate the numbers with chase cards to encourage people to buy more. That's why they don't ban cards till the last minute
I'm guessing that you'd be able to spot inspiration from Commander in the choices of cards in the set if you were looking for them, but it's opaque enough that you can't be completely sure.
Oooh, interesting idea. I think it would need to be tweeked for Jumpstart, but I could see it working. I think you'd need to buy A LOT more packs though to guarentee a 100 card deck because it will almost certainly be monocoloured
Hm... I think Sire of Seven serves a little more of a purpose than just introducing players to the idea of Eldrazi, though obviously it does do that. My personal take when I first saw it was as a highlight on colorless design: namely, that colorless can do basically whatever it wants, but generally worse than the colors. - It's a 7/7 for 7, which is fine and nice, but the decks most likely to be able to ramp enough actually play it are probably running green, which has stuff like Quilled Greatwurm (7/7 for only 4GG) at the same rarity in Foundations. - Sire clearly took a wrong turn on the way to MH3, because Eldrazi have no typal support in Foundations. Meanwhile, all your zombies can benefit from stuff like Zul Ashur or Death Baron. It can go anywhere, but it won't fit in. - It has its soup of keywords, but them all being stapled together means each color can do its own french vanillas at way cheaper. Even then, they're not all amazing keywords. Ward has counterplay like boardwipes, menace isn't that big when you're normally not blocking a 7/7 with one guy, etc. Plus, no haste means your opponent has a turn to figure out what to do. Sire is essentially just offering every new player a big stick. Sure, you can solve a decent amount of your problems with a big stick, but the colors have much better tools for specific jobs. Great video overall, always appreciate your take on things!
True, and in fairness it is a fun build around. It's the sort of card I'd add to a deck in a draft and just hope I could get out because it's so big and nasty
14:58 I am sorry if this is a dumb question, but why is "Six" a joke/pun name for the card? (English isnt my first language, so I don't always spot the joke) Isnt it just the tree thing from [Wrenn and Six]?
I explain it in full during my video about Modern Horizons 3 being a mess. But it's not the name that's the joke, however the creature type. In the lore, Six is just a tree. Not a treefolk. But WotC put out a video saying the reason they called the card "Six" was just because they thought it would be funny, even if it doesn't make sense. It's a small thing, like all these puns. But when you stack them up they start to become a bigger problem (in my eyes at least)
@RedBobcatGames While I doubt it has anything to do with the naming of the card, the number six in Finnish ("kuusi") means both the number and spruce/fir tree. As such I've always found the card "Wrenn and Six" and by association "Six" a bit funny as it ends up accidentally having a double meaning in Finnish.
I agree with your take. It's definitely not a Commander set, but it's an interesting set for 5 years of standard legality. It's an interesting way to represent what magic is about. Hare Apparent is obviously a rabbit.😉 It technically works as a joke, but it's not a very smart one.
Oh man... I didn't even question whether it was a hare or a rabbit. I'm not going to look at the card now, and hope I forget this comment because otherwise I'll end up putting out another 20 minute video just to complain about that alone!
@RedBobcatGames lol. To me these two are basically the same thing and at least being to the same family of animals. But based on the card art, it more closely resembles a rabbit. But Rabbit Apparent isn't as cute of a name
Even with this play test, I think if you can pull off at least 2/3 of a legal decklist you could consider this made for commander. This is especially true since foundations is essentially a core set, meaning it was meant to be used to supplement other sets.
Well, I think it's interesting. Without knowing what their plans are for Garruk, or why he's not included I can't say for sure I think it's evidence of anything. But it is going to be something to bare in mind in the next few years as we see what WotC do with him (or possibly not)
My friend and I split the price on a Foundations Play Booster box to play this game. We cracked 16 packs each and looked over all the colors. While we saw some nice commanders and even some nice rares worth double digits (sadly nothing triple digits). The value didn't add up to break even with the price of the box or make a Commander deck. We did have fun taking the cards that would go well into our other decks. He made another dragon deck while I made a 2nd cat deck, a Hare Apparent Rabbit army monowhite deck, and a monored Goblin deck.
Dr Hands, THAT’s the joke, Hare Apparent believes he’s the rightful heir but clearly there’s a disputed succession because rabbits are promiscuous and prolific. It’s by far the most flavorful and successful silly name card we’ve got and it is a great continuity anchor to the bloomburrow set the way we had the Glimmers in duskmorn who granted bespoke synergy to the tribal archetypes explored in BLB. Having unified leitmotifs across multiple sets makes these absurd shifts in theme and tone a little less aesthetically jarring.
IF that's the joke, then I fully retract my outrage. Because you may very well be correct. However, looking back at cards like "Holy Cow" and "Loan Shark" it'll be a while before I'm willing to give WotC the benefit of the doubt over their jokes again honestly. I really hope I was wrong and that's the joke, because if so it's actually really good
Hare Apparent is a meme name--I get the distaste, but personally I feel its far worse with Loan Shark. But I gotta say you're just wrong about it being funny. Not saying you have to like it, but its a pretty good joke. The name and the mechanic work together to tell a really funny story--that somewhere in bloomburrow, there are dozens upon dozens of rabbits, all proclaiming themselves the heir to a family fortune, only to discover that they are only one of potentially hundreds. Its a tongue in cheek reference to the family squabbles among dynasties, who often have conflicting rules of succession and frequent fighting among families. I mean, look at how pompous and self important that rabbit is. He's the butt of the joke.
Okay, IF that's the case then yes. I guess with "Holy Cow" and "Loan Shark" I've just come to expect less thought put into their jokes than that. Unless someone from WotC comes out and confirms that's the joke though, I'm just going to assume we're doing the heavy lifting for them based on previous "jokes" of theirs
@RedBobcatGames I can't remember if she explained the joke at any point, but Kathleen from LRR mentioned in stream at some point that she actually wrote the flavour text for that card, so it might be possible to ask her?
Exactly! It’s his haughty little smug grin that sells the joke. He’s totally clueless that there’s literally an exponentially multiplying list of challenges to his claim.
@RedBobcatGames I really don't think this is a far fetched explanation. Asked around my local store and that seems to be the consensus on what it means. Holy Cow and Loan Shark do make me hurt a bit, and it seems like they've gone very Dungeons and Dragons with the worldbuilding.
In the lore Six is just a tree, not a treefolk. But around MH3 they put a video talking about some of their choices and they said they included the card just to be funny
Regarding Vivien Reid, your complaint is purely based on your own experience of being a veteran, and is nothing close to objective towards the new player experience. Personally I started playing MTG in 2018, and it took me a while to realize Nissa and Vivien were "less important" than Garruk. Newer player don't know about the 30 years of lore. I can't see a reason why Vivien or Nissa should not be given the spot. They are to many (myself included) the posterchilds of The Green Planeswalker.
True, but that's sort of my point though. I just find it interesting that they're the poster children when Garruk is the OG. I hear he's going to be in Aetherdrift though so I guess we'll see
Coat of Arms is better than Banner of Kinship because it can backfire spectacularly. MORE magic cards should be printed that can backfire in a big way.
Okay, yes. BUT, can they also not force me to constantly redo a bunch of calculations every time someone plays or removes a creature? Ugh, I hate that card so much
Foundations is a back to basics Coreswt….and it’s actually the best set in ages…This is what Magic needs. No hundreds of commander decks, no designed for Commander, just back to basics.
You can actually see Garruk in one of the showcased art pieces of Muraganda (with all the oozes) in the Aetherdrift teasers, which would be my guess as to why he wasn't featured in Foundations.
Kind of two call backs to previous videos of mine. Six from my Modern Horizons 3 vid, and Anthropede from my Duskmourn retrospective. But in short, Six in lore is a tree and not a treefolk, but WotC devs said they included the card regardless as they thought it was funny. And Anthropede's name is just a movie reference to Human Centipede, which I find baffling as a choice
I don't know if Dreadhorde General was the best Liliana to have in the set, but it 100% isn't the worst - Veil and Dark Realms are worst (besides the PW deck ones obviously), Veil because it'd be awful for Standard and it represents her at a really bad time as well, and Dark Realms because it's a completely unrelated Planeswalker pretending to be Liliana. And sorry, the pun names are never going to leave. They didn't leave after Nightmare, they didn't leave after Apes of Wrath, they didn't leave after Manakin or Squee's Toy or Shock Troops, they didn't leave after... like, half the Invasion Split Cards (shoutouts to Assault And Battery) or a bunch of the cards from the first two Unsets, or Goblin Offensive and Quick Sliver, or Foresee and Grave Peril, or Double Negative, then it was never going to leave.
Oh, for sure. They've always been a part of Magic. There's just be SOO MANY OF THEM lately. Maybe the number per set hasn't even changed. Maybe it's just with so many products coming out now, and half those being Universes Beyond, that when i see a pun name it really grates on me now
Yay! Dr Hands is back! I'd rather not get new players used to the idea of planeswalker cards at all, but since I don't know anything about the different versions of Liliana anyway, I don't see why this one is worse than any other. I'm glad you at least went for my favorite color combination, even if it didn't work.
There may only be 17 unique white cards but the extra copy of Hare Apparent would let you break the singleton restriction for a total of 18 playables. Still a bit short of the goal unfortunately.
This is such a good point that reading it made me feel stupid haha. Thank you, for real. Oh man, but I've set precedent now. I try to keep all these Commander Scrambles to the same rules. Hmmm, I have a lot to think about
Thise method in no way checks whether a set is made for commander. It's not quantity that matters, it's the design of the cards and the playstyle the set encourages. The fact there are only a few multicolored cards does matter, though.
@RedBobcatGames I mean, a flying / deathtouch / lifelink vamp is peak vampire. No reason at all in can't be in Innistrad. We've had several sets with hats on, this lad just needs a wig and a fancy coat!
@@elyea5928 It's literally the only reason a large portion of the player base plays the game. You are entitled to your opinion of course, but it certainly isn't true for majority of players.
@@JushakF I enjoy it and I don't understand why it attracts so much hate. The people who say things like "it's trash" seldom offer an explanation. I like commander because it gives me an opportunity to use cards that probably wouldn't be good enough for another format. Bello from Bloomburrow has given a good home to artifacts and enchantments that were good 20 years ago but looks mediocre now. It's even got a few that were never good but are incredibly useful when their main purpose is to become creatures and bash my opponents and their cute effect is for in case of emergencies. That precon inspired me so much I made a deck with Eriette the Beguiler as commander and it's given lots of very unexciting auras an opportunity to do something useful. Is 4 mana aura to give a creature flying and +1/+1 worth playing? Not usually, but if it steals my opponent's commander it's really strong. I just don't think that would work as a regular deck though. Even with 4 copies of Eriette I wouldn't be consistently playing her by turn 4.
@@leadpaintchips9461 I think lorwyn can be considered classic magic at this point. Especially considering modern magic is cowboys and racing. Plus it's more about garruk wildspeakers ability embodying classic green playstayles in one card. Overrun dates back to tempest.
@@GucciGengar. Lorwyn is when I *stopped* playing Magic last time after years of playing, so I'll still be turning to dust over here thank you very much!
I've watched all of these "pack scrambles", and I'm still unsure how this proves or not that a set was "made for commander". My understanding of "made for commander" is individual cards with a different design philosophy than previous years. Like how Lava Spike got upgraded into Boltwave. Or the Storm crow example you gave yourself. I'm not sure how many people use "made for commander" to mean you can draft a legal deck from just packs. Don't get me wrong, it seems like it could be fun.., if other people were also doing it and then you played games afterword with the decks. Or as just a drafting exercise alone. I guess I'm unsure what you believe this is showing Anyways, hope you have a good one 👍
It's less an experiment and more a framing device. It's a good oppertunity to crack a bunch of packs and talk about cards individually, and I find keeping the "We're building a commander deck" idea in mind is a good way to tie everything together at the end. For instance, if I were actually analyising the viability of a set from a commander perspective I'd open a bunch more packs, talk drop rates, and not have a set number of land per deck. As it stands, this is meant to be a bit more of a fun thought exercise, and more art than science.
actually you can build the commander deck, tatyova is a landfall deck so you wanna run more lands than usuall, i think you can get away with 53 lands easy
Oh yeah for sure, but I like to keep it at 37 because I do this for each set and like them to be judged by the same metrics. However, maybe this one needed something like (*works as a landfall deck) though
I'd love to make a Hare apparent rabbit deck, but like with literally every "you can have any number of this card in your deck" (or 9 in case of ring wraiths) the price at the online store I use to buy my cards is way above what I'm willing to pay for a meme card - Heir Apaprent is over 5$ a pop, Nazguls are 17€ each and so on... Think the lowest I've seen was Slime Against Humanity that has finally dropped bit below 2€.
I 100% agree with you on the punny card titles and art. It absolutely STINKS of Marvel's famous quippy/always have a one liner nonsense. I hate it so much. ESPECIALLY when it's like every other card is supposed to be some haha funny joke. Why can't we take the themes, settings, and characters in the lore seriously? Why must everything feel like a crappy Marvel movie?
My theory is because once we lost the 3 set blocks world building became harder, and so WotC have to rely on short hand more to convey what a plane or set is about. And what better way to do that than puns?
The worst part about Hare Apparent and other cards with names like it is, not only is it a shitty pun, but it's a shitty English only pun. If Magic is supposed to be a game for anyone, it needs to care about languages other than Eglish - and I say this as someone with English as their first language.
Oh I'm aware, and a "Nighthawk" wouldn't really fit flavourwise on Innistrad. BUT, if they did it I'd still want to run it in one of my many "Oops all Innistrad" decks
They could have used foundations as a chance to also errata, or re-write certain planeswalkers card effects and chosen better art to represent a cool oart of their arc. I agree with Lilliana have poor representation in her arc from the card aeletction. But I also argue that is one of the more popular variants of her planewalker ability.. Reminds me how I enjoy Ajani, but I am also burnt out on him retelling how he has lost his brother. Like yes, players should know that. But it has been like the main focus of his card design forthe majority of his variants. But I guess I was juat more dissatisfied with representation in the Phyrexian war and it's aftermath so far. -_-
Yeah, I've been trying to kind of forget the whole Phyrexian invasion thing because there's so many holes in it that I'd end up making videos about nothing else honestly
Gotta say, I definitely disagree with your take on the Hare Apparent. I think the intention was that he specifically isn't the heir apparent, the joke being that you have all these card in your deck which are all say they are the true "One and Only". I dunno, great video though!
That has been pointed out to me, and IF that's the case I'll concede and admit it's funny. I'm not sure though looking at "Loan Shark" and "Holy Cow" as recent examples that WotC will have put that much thought into it. I hope I'm wrong
I can't stand Lilliana because I've always thought she should have been killed off back in Dominaria United instead of Jaya. Ajani's reveal as a sleeper would have had more impact if he took out Lilliana. It also would have made perfect sense from a strategy perspective because why wouldn't your first target be the one that you know can raise an army against you because you know, necromancy.
@RedBobcatGames It also would have been great reasoning for reprinting Lilliana of the veil. Here's a reprint of (arguably) the best Lilliana cause she's dead now.
13:29 I have to be annoying, but nighthawk isnt really good anymore. It's been slowly phasing out of common/uncommon cubes and worst of all doesnt have the statistics for a "good card" on 17lands for draft
I'm going to disagree through my rose tinted glasses based on my love for the card and nostaligia alone. Vampire Nighthawk will always be good and I will construct a hill to die on if needed
@lokid.r-k-9608 how do you figure? Looking at just top players, it has a 58.3 winrate ever in hand. Top players in fdn win 58.6% of the time. This is particularly damning when the card dodges both red and blacks cheap removal options, somewhat elevating the card a bit more thanks to unusually favorable context.
@RedBobcatGames I hope that's largely hyperbolic. Drawing a target around your bulletholes and talking through nostalgia is a good way to lose credibility.
More of a personal opinion based on hindsight, that can't really be corrected. (Though I personally try.) But I dislike variations of the same Legendary character... especially Planeswalkers. I love the Lorwyn walkers, but there shouldn't be any other versions of those characters. Though new artwork and depicting them in other spells is fine. This set gives us the what, 10th version of Niv Mizzet? When all we ever needed was the original "Firemind" card. I would very much rather have Liliana Vess, maybe with new artwork, than any other Liliana card. They used to spend a lot more time on a character before jumping to the print, and many characters still don't have cards. I would rather they build a character up before giving us a single definitive version of their card! Not a new makeshift iteration every other set... It also feels really awkward to play multiple iterations of the same character, which is why I exclude multiple iterations from my decks... which is why I play Commander to begin with to avoid even multiples of a non-legendary card. xD
Well there's used to be a Planeswalker Uniqueness rule which meant you couldn't play two Planeswalkers of the same type. I prefered that myself. I don't mind different versions of Planeswalkers bring printed. For instance, my favourite Jace is the SOI version where he's wearing that new coat he was so proud of. But I think if we're going to get a new card of an old character it should reflect some sort of change or growth
@RedBobcatGames But that's just a cosmetic preference and you could reprint the OG card with new art? Jace Beleren the card but with the SOI artwork? Same for Liliana Vess, I think that card is the definitive Liliana and its 3 abilities represent her whole story perfectly... but most people like Liliana of the Veil... do they actually like that card or do they just like the art? The abilities don't really represent anything she has ever done and I think it would be a lot better if it was just a reprint of Liliana Vess but with the Veil artwork.
@@DigitalinDaniel It's an interesting thought and I agree with you for the most part. I think for instance what they did with War of the Spark and all the static abilities was a good reason for new cards as it made the PW feel like a unified front against Bolas. And of course, any Compleated PW would need new cards too. But aside from that, yeah maybe just reskins would have done the trick
I don't mind vanilla cards like Savannah Lions or Grizzly Bear getting powercrept, since some of the more boring cards from 1993 should probably be retired (IMO). Yugioh used to be "normal monster beatdown," but that ended in like 2003, and the last time normal monsters were really played in the meta was either Dino Rabbit or Evilswarm in 2013 (both used Rescue Rabbit to summon two same-named normal monsters from the deck to make an Xyz boss monster) or as cute tech with Dark Witch (the highest-attack level 5 or 6 LIGHT fairy monster in the game...this matters) in Domain Monarch in 2016*. It's just not that fun playing cards that don't do anything special. Like, use Foundations to set new power *floor* for future development, rather than from a time when no one actually played creatures. *(you would use Brilliant Fusion to fusion summon Gem-Knight Seraphinite [giving you an extra normal summon] using Gem-Knight Lazuli and Dark Witch as Seraphinite's "Gem-Knight" and LIGHT monster materials...you could then use Lazuli's effect [when sent to the graveyard by a card effect, add a normal monster from graveyard to hand) to add Dark Witch, which you would use your extra normal summon from Seraphinite to tribute summon Dark Witch, giving you a tribute summoned monster to turn on all your Monarch cards...and because both Dark Witch and Gem-Knight Seraphinite are both LIGHT fairy monsters, you could do this going second while under the effect of both Gozen Match [each player can only control 1 monster attribute] AND Rivalry of Warlords [each player can only control 1 monster type]...stupid crap like this is why I love Yugioh!)
I think Power Creep is okay when it's contained to a single set, and then rotated out to reestablish the base line. I fear we've seen a bit much of a power crept card in standard getting power crept again, and thus the game getting faster and faster as a result. I hear that's why Battles were created, to try and slow the game down. It's all a bit of a mess
@RedBobcatGames One reason I like Modern is that it feels like every card actually does something, kinda like Yugioh. I'm not opposed to Standard adopting similar, like, maybe cheap French vanillas with a couple of keywords are the new power floor for a creature and stuff. Obviously you don't want 2-3 turn games in Standard, but I dunno...every card in your deck should feel *good* in every format :)
Honestly though, while Foundations looks great, it feels like a slap in the face given their abandoning of the core lore from 2025 onward. It's like "Hey, remember that game you love? Here's your last chance to actually enjoy it before it becomes Funko The Gathering"
It failed only cause you didn't open enough packs 😋 I'm a somewhat newbie and I think this set's name is apt. If I was helping a friend join and they are just playing my cards figure what they like but wanted to crack some packs, I'd be like ya this is fine if you want the experience but don't expect any value. Go ahead. Fine for a beginner to have something flashy or not.
I've really lost interest in the game over the years and I've only ever been a kitchen table man my whole life, so this might be out of line to say, but it feels like "can we make the world's jankiest commander deck from this box" feels like a really bad criteria for determining the intention behind the product. Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that if it's got some chase legendaries, or cards clearly designed to only work in Commander that it's a Commander set, even if it was utterly impossible to shove together a technically legal pile? Or what if it was clearly a bad draft experience, or had nothing relevant for non-commander formats, wouldn't that be better evidence than this contrived method that nobody in the history of the game ever has genuinely used to brew a Commander deck?
Well this is less of an experiment and more a framing device to discuss certain cards and mechanics as we open them from the perspective of it possibly being a Commander product. It's more art than science. If I were to do true data analysis I doubt I'd need to open packs at all as that would only provide circumstantial evidence. But that's not as fun for a discussion style video, you know?
@RedBobcatGames Hmm okay I guess. It feels a little like click-bait, in that I expected you to really analyze the idea, but I get that that's the meta on TH-cam nowadays. And doing it this way is getting you free boxes, I am all for that. Hell, if I had a similar scenario happening I'd milk it dry. Get that bag dude, hell yeah.
Haha, thank you. Click bait wasn't the intention though. Maybe next time I'll be clearer that this is meant to be more of a casual chat sort of thing. I guess I went into it not thinking about the people who wouldn't have seen me do this kind of video before. Thank you for the feedback, it's most welcome!
I like to do follow up videos where I open more packs after the set's kind of passed relevance. A look back over how it did. So I guess... see you in 5 years for more? haha
This was not a good experiment. How could you possibly make a viable 100-card commander deck out of only 12 boosters, when in prerelease you make a 40-card, 2-color deck out of 6 packs and you get to include duplicates? Personally, I'd take each card in the set and look at its EDHREC score. If a card is used in a lot of decks, then it's considered a staple. If Foundations consists of at least 20-25% commander staples, then it is a commander set. That's because nobody cares about draft chaff that is included even in Commander Masters sets.
@RedBobcatGames that's fair, but you have to use more booster packs. As I said, you could barely make a functional 40-card deck with 6 booster packs in the first place, not to mention that Play Boosters have 1 less card than Draft Boosters.
Nah dude, Hare apparent is a great card, that's the most unecessary complaint about magic that I've seen in a while. Well, among the ones that were being civil at least.
Vivian and Kaito replacing Jace and Garruk is probably for diversity reasons. The Lorwyn 5 are 4 white people and a cat person with white fur; not exactly the most diverse group ethnically speaking.
A Tatyova deck with 50 lands is on theme.
Actually, a very good point!
Yeah, but how much land ramp was in the deck... I would wager not near enough
Ghosting content creators is one wild way to become their sponsor.
Yeah, but honestly I'm not complaining. I'm keeping full creative control this way and don't feel any obligation to say anything other than what I honestly think and feel. This works for me
feel like the dreadhorde general complaint is a bit of a non issue. new players will look at you like you have 12 heads if you start going on about “ah well, i don’t really think this card represents her well due to where she was in her character arc” while they’re still figuring out what a loyalty counter even is. she uses black mana and manipulates the dead, really all you have to know as a new player
Oh yeah of course. It's less of an issue, and more of a style choice that I think I'd have made differently. Dreadhordes inclusion is in no way wrong, I just would have gone another way I think
And is a welcome reprint too
Also a big point the red cat seems to miss is that the set isn't about introducing newer players to the *lore* or *history* of the game, it is about introducing newer players to the *mechanics* and *playstyles* . Dreadhorde General is the perfect representative for Black in a planeswalker ; Creates zombies (very black), draws cards on creatures dying (very black), force sacrifice aka edict effect (very black)... she's a perfect fit to introduce new player to the color Black through a planeswalker, who fucking cares what her lore was during her first printing lol pretty much the biggest stretch i've seen bobcat done
@@TheSmartCinemai do agree that this planeswalker is really good at doing black stuff, and therefore is a good choice in this set. But to quote you, „who fucking cares what her lore was“ hits (unintentionally I assume) so close to home with regards to WotCs recent attitude concerning the original Magic IP and lore, and if that is not damming somehow, I don’t know what is. I just think it’s ironic, that’s all.
What could have helped would be to maybe look at other Liliana planeswalkers and see if there is a mechanically similar version that is also less lore-restricted and not yet in Standard. Other Lilianas however either care about Zombies, Mill or Recursion. Those, while classic black archetypes, are much more restrictive with the decks that Liliana reasonably could go into and be valuable. Dreadhorde Lili is more versatile. Overall, I think Bobcat has a point, but does not think it through all the way. Lore should not be the most important criterion when it comes to being in this set. If there was a mechanically similar Lili that was less pinned down in terms of the lore, maybe you could argue to include her instead, but I think because of ease of playability and very flavorful mechanics, Lili the Dreadhorde General is probably the best choice. If you don’t think that lore should matter at all, that is also fine. I just don’t think it’s fair to totally discredit that aspect, especially since WotC already seemingly tries to get as far away as possible from it‘s own IP and its lore.
It feels so much like an old core set and I'm loving it.
Also I could never sour progenitus by calling it a commander card. The poster child of Timmy's everywhere. Cause what's cooler than a 10/10 protection from everything? It doesn't even die to terror.
Haha, yeah. I agree actually. Just because a card can be good in commander, doesn't make it a good commander card
6:08 obviously they won’t be legal the whole time this is, but Standard’s got plenty of utterly obnoxious keyword soup reanimation targets already like Valgavoth, it being colourless isn’t even that important, the Atraxa decks often can’t hard cast her whatsoever anyway
the thing that’s funny about Sire to me though is that they tried so hard to make everything about it related to ‘seven’ and then made it collector number 0001.
Ha! I didn't even notice that. That's quite funny
But the fact that it's only 7 mana _and_ colorless makes it much more castable than Atraxa. Atraxa is quite hard to cast, but Sire is pretty easy. You can reasonably cast it on turn 7 pretty consistently in any deck, which I think is a problem (in Standard)
@@j-rey- Standard games often don’t get to turn 7. It’s primarily a reanimation target, it being colourless is almost entirely irrelevant as the card pool stands right now, and FDN’s own zombify is 4 mana so I can’t see that changing.
As I've aged and matured, Prof. Onyx has absolutely became my fave Liliana on vibes alone.
Oh yeah? I'm still a fan of "the chain veil" because it's such a nostalia hit for me
This is my favorite Foundations video I have seen.
As a new player I learn so much from you discussing these cards, from a powercreep/story/flavour perspective.
I would definitely watch a video of you just talking about all noteworthy cards in the set.
A lot of magic content is based around either power lvl, or $ value. It is way more insightful to learn why a certain card feels odd in a set, or where a certain character comes from :)
It's exactly why I do it. I've got a bunch more box openings like this one on the channel too if you want to see me do the same thing with other sets. I believe they're all in a playlist
Love your videos, glad to know about Zatu games
Yeah, they seem really cool. At least from my perspective as an outsider anyway
Just a heads up: I have no idea which cards in Foundations would have had ability words removed for clarification's sake because I've seen precious little of the set.
But ability words are specifically the italicised "keywords" that represent a group of abilities with a theme. Think landfall, battalion or heroic. These abilities tend to do different things on each card, so they can't be keywords, and the rules text functions the same without them.
Spot on, yeah
I like all the Red Bobcat's videos
Thank you very much!
Same
havent even watched yet but i wanna say i love these for no reason other than its a fun challenge Ive tried myself - and i enjoy your pack by pack analysis. a unique trait no one else does on youtube
Fun, but can be very expensive! I've been working on a format where you each basically do exactly this, and then you kind of have a mini draft at the end with everyones left overs to give you a better chance at finishing your deck. I'll put a video out on it when i think I've cracked the best way to do it
@RedBobcatGames well you can always use websites like Draftmancer to do this for free! And draft really old sets to see how they compare? Fun stuff like that :)
@RedBobcatGames I did the math based on the MSRP USD $5.25 per Play Booster pack. Times 12, is $63 for 12 Pack Commander Scramble Foundations. I saw that Innistrad Remaster will be $6.99 per Play Booster pack and Aetherdrift will be set at $5.49 .... So those would be even more expensive at $83.88 and $65.88 respectively if bought at MSRP (tax not included).
@Surfer669 What a hideous way to waste money on a back non-functioning deck. NO ONE DO THIS DUMB THING I DO!
@RedBobcatGames as the professor, always says: "BUY SINGLES"
I enjoy all your videos, bonus points when Dr Hands shows up
Thank you!
8:19
It was done with two cards.
1. Surrak, the Hunt Caller (Where Formidable was removed)
2. Venom Connoisseur (Where Alliance was removed)
This makes sense as these abilities aren't prominent in Foundations, while Threshold is.
Ahhhhh, thank you! And well spotted. I tried looking, but either my memory or my ability to spot something that should be there but isn't was lacking
4:15 - I know nothing about the contents of this set; I saw the card Hare Apparent as I paused the video; got unreasonably angry; and then I kept watching your lovely video.
13:58 - And there it is, what I had a slow burn waiting for for nearly 10 minutes. Thank you.
Haha, you're welcome! Shivan Dragon won out because I wanted to start off somewhat positive, and being a common I thought we'd be more likely we'd get another of the hare than we would the dragon in a later pack. Luckily I was correct
Thanks for this video. It’s really insightful. I just happened to be in the situation of cobbling together a commander deck from scratch from mainly foundations to attend a local gaming shop commander event this weekend with fantastic door prizes and a treasure hunt.
That sounds like fun. If you're new and looking for some deck building advice, I did a video on how to draft a while back that goes over some tips which will translate to commander well enough. If you're not new, then I'll just say good luck, and thank you very much for the comment
I think dread horde general was chosen because of the war of the spark trailers which pulled me into magic. I think most people with only a passing of magic the gathering will remember that trailers and be happy her and remember her turning towards good
Oh yeah, that's a fair point. That trailer was awesome. I'm surprised they don't really do stuff like that anymore
I wonder if Zatu actually supports you, or if it's a fan who works there doing stuff under the table?
Haha! Oh man, that would explain a lot actually
I love the idea of Zatu games being some mysterious benefactor that drops a gift off in the night and throws a smokebomb when you call out for them to explain their kindness XD
I mean I'm not complaining haha
My partner helped kickstart alice is missing! We have a copy but never got to play it. (Friends werent interested) I hope you enjoy it!
I'm glad most people have embraced Foundations overall as the point of references that it was supposed to be - this is ALL of MTG.
It feels like a good set and a reminder of what Magic should be. I'm not exactly thrilled for the next major sets while FF is a set that is targeted at me so its weird that Innistrad Remastered and Aetherdrift both feel like a holding pattern. One is a return to a setting that I'm not a fan of (uhg, day/night) and 'WoOoah Wacky' sets. Its strange that I feel that way and yet I think of Bloomburrow and Thunder Junction slightly more... Cohesive? Like they stand on their own. I guess because a card from Thunder Junction was my first commander card and Bloomburrow is the first set of MTG cards that made me pay attention to magic in general - a fresh jumping on point that didn't come with the baggage of "what are these Machines and why are they marching?"
Also, the annoyance about Hare Apparent confuses me...
Its an inversion of what you're expecting, play on words, all that stupid stuff.
Humor is subjective and all but like... I both like the card and the stupid word play joke.
Either way, love these vids, keep it up!
Thank you very much!
14:15 speaking as a newer player, I actually really like the cards with funny names like that. To me, that's one of the ways magic differentiates itself from other card games. I don't like when a game takes itself too seriously (especially in games that are meant to be open-ended and creative). I can honestly say I really enjoyed opening my first pack ever and seeing "Crumb and Get It."
Yeah it's silly and kinda stupid, but I'm a pun enjoyer and I'm not ashamed to admit it! Idk, I just think it comes down to personal preference. Like personally I don't really like the names of cards like "Anger." Really? Anger? Just the concept of anger? Or there's a guy and his name is anger? Yeesh. I think for every edgy card there can and should be a lighthearted one and vice versa.
Honestly though, I can see how from the perspective of a long-time player this kind of stuff can seem a bit grating, but the game being a bit dumb and whimsical is definitely a part of my enjoyment.
That's fair. I find "Crumb and get it" particularly upsetting, but I think I'd be a lot more forgiving if I felt WotC were paying as much attention to the lore and world building as I think it deserves. Though, in fairness again, they are getting better
I made a commander deck with my starter collection. It wasn't very good, I called it my foundations pile,, but there a lot of options if I want to take a second crack at it. If I had better game knowledge I probably could have made it better.
My best advice would be don't. Instead find other people that did the same because I honestly think lower powered games are more fun anyway
As an example of cards that had ability words removed- Flamewake Phoenix no longer includes ferocious. Which is funny, because despite Ferocious supposedly being a failed mechanic it's been repurposed as a draft archetype for Green-Red without the ability word in tons of sets since Tarkir (LoTR, wilds of eldraine, theros beyond death, war of the spark, Core Set 2021, etc.)
See, this is why you guys are great. I doubt I'd have spotted that at all
I think that foundations was a very good set that demonstrated what Magic as a brand is, my only issue is this will not be the direction they are taking going forward and half of all sets now won't be Magic.
True. I'm hoping this does well enough that they course correct, but my hopes aren't high
WOTC had thought of doing a Commander Pre-release event by selling booster boxes and making a 60 card commander deck, but with each legendary creature being treated as having partner
If nothing else, WotC is making everything commander, so if they can find some way to do that they might let up on commander card design
Additionally, Heir Apparent gives Hare Apparent a hint of dramatic irony. Even more so when it makes me hares when there are more hares and Hare Apparents. This, along with the fact it's not Legendary, which could mean "there is more than one in existence", tells a story that implies they're self-proclaimed Heir Apparent, despite nobody being able to identify them in a crowd.
And I think that "A story on one card" design is fine, but it does run the risk of fallling short.
You may very well be right about Hare Apparent and me not understanding the joke. I hope so, though WotC haven't earned the benefit of the doubt with me honestly
Thankyou Dr. Hands ✋️
He does good work!
@RedBobcatGames a handy man, dare I say 👀
@@kylewidmar3177 Well I don't want to inflate his ego too much haha
Dreadhorde General was probably the wrong choice, but that alternate art version is amazing. I’d been meaning to pick up the card for a while, and I was able to get the alt art version for a bit less than the pre-reprint price. So I can’t really be mad about it.
Oooh I hadn't seen it. She's even got the chain veil on. That's cool
Its possible the core reason it was being classified a commander set is due to the supplemental card from the set that weren't printed in boosters. That are still legal in standard though.
I think it was more a preconception from a lot of players who have learned that WotC seem to put Commander cards into EVERY set, and so they went in expecting this to be the same
As you say at the end, it is aimed at commanders like every set, but not much compared to all other sets which are fully centered on commander.
Yeah, which as a take away I think was actually quite positive
I don't think judging a set by how many commander decks can be built out of an arbitrary number of booster packs is fair, since most commander players won't play sealed nor buy boxes to count the cards by color.
In any case, I think this "scarcity" is made by design to make people buy more booster packs/boxes to pull out the chasecards they look for, regardless of the format.
That's just mho.
No I think you're right. They certainly manipulate the numbers with chase cards to encourage people to buy more. That's why they don't ban cards till the last minute
Yeah, it’s weird they used that Lily. The Necromancer version would have been better, I think she’s really solid.
I'm guessing that you'd be able to spot inspiration from Commander in the choices of cards in the set if you were looking for them, but it's opaque enough that you can't be completely sure.
Very much my take away after this too
Also, Commander Scramble strikes me as a great reason to buy a dozen packs of cards. Would this work with Foundations Jumpstart?
There's more cards per Jumpstart though. The ratio of non-basic lands to lands vary between each pack.
Oooh, interesting idea. I think it would need to be tweeked for Jumpstart, but I could see it working. I think you'd need to buy A LOT more packs though to guarentee a 100 card deck because it will almost certainly be monocoloured
Hm... I think Sire of Seven serves a little more of a purpose than just introducing players to the idea of Eldrazi, though obviously it does do that. My personal take when I first saw it was as a highlight on colorless design: namely, that colorless can do basically whatever it wants, but generally worse than the colors.
- It's a 7/7 for 7, which is fine and nice, but the decks most likely to be able to ramp enough actually play it are probably running green, which has stuff like Quilled Greatwurm (7/7 for only 4GG) at the same rarity in Foundations.
- Sire clearly took a wrong turn on the way to MH3, because Eldrazi have no typal support in Foundations. Meanwhile, all your zombies can benefit from stuff like Zul Ashur or Death Baron. It can go anywhere, but it won't fit in.
- It has its soup of keywords, but them all being stapled together means each color can do its own french vanillas at way cheaper. Even then, they're not all amazing keywords. Ward has counterplay like boardwipes, menace isn't that big when you're normally not blocking a 7/7 with one guy, etc. Plus, no haste means your opponent has a turn to figure out what to do.
Sire is essentially just offering every new player a big stick. Sure, you can solve a decent amount of your problems with a big stick, but the colors have much better tools for specific jobs. Great video overall, always appreciate your take on things!
@@energy538 Quakestrider Ceratops doesn't even care about the long list of keywords.
True, and in fairness it is a fun build around. It's the sort of card I'd add to a deck in a draft and just hope I could get out because it's so big and nasty
The mtg community needs more content creators like red! 🙏 Praying for your blow up
Thank you!
14:58 I am sorry if this is a dumb question, but why is "Six" a joke/pun name for the card? (English isnt my first language, so I don't always spot the joke) Isnt it just the tree thing from [Wrenn and Six]?
I explain it in full during my video about Modern Horizons 3 being a mess. But it's not the name that's the joke, however the creature type. In the lore, Six is just a tree. Not a treefolk. But WotC put out a video saying the reason they called the card "Six" was just because they thought it would be funny, even if it doesn't make sense. It's a small thing, like all these puns. But when you stack them up they start to become a bigger problem (in my eyes at least)
@RedBobcatGames oooooh, I see now, thank you for explanation!
@RedBobcatGames While I doubt it has anything to do with the naming of the card, the number six in Finnish ("kuusi") means both the number and spruce/fir tree. As such I've always found the card "Wrenn and Six" and by association "Six" a bit funny as it ends up accidentally having a double meaning in Finnish.
@@JushakF I didn't know that, but that actually makes me appriciate it more!
I agree with your take. It's definitely not a Commander set, but it's an interesting set for 5 years of standard legality. It's an interesting way to represent what magic is about. Hare Apparent is obviously a rabbit.😉 It technically works as a joke, but it's not a very smart one.
Oh man... I didn't even question whether it was a hare or a rabbit. I'm not going to look at the card now, and hope I forget this comment because otherwise I'll end up putting out another 20 minute video just to complain about that alone!
@RedBobcatGames lol. To me these two are basically the same thing and at least being to the same family of animals. But based on the card art, it more closely resembles a rabbit. But Rabbit Apparent isn't as cute of a name
Even with this play test, I think if you can pull off at least 2/3 of a legal decklist you could consider this made for commander. This is especially true since foundations is essentially a core set, meaning it was meant to be used to supplement other sets.
Yeah, a very fair point. Probably why they included those 3 Commander cards in the starter collection too
Garruk's Uprising is actually in Foundations, but that is a reprint, so idk if it counts
Well, I think it's interesting. Without knowing what their plans are for Garruk, or why he's not included I can't say for sure I think it's evidence of anything. But it is going to be something to bare in mind in the next few years as we see what WotC do with him (or possibly not)
My friend and I split the price on a Foundations Play Booster box to play this game. We cracked 16 packs each and looked over all the colors. While we saw some nice commanders and even some nice rares worth double digits (sadly nothing triple digits). The value didn't add up to break even with the price of the box or make a Commander deck. We did have fun taking the cards that would go well into our other decks. He made another dragon deck while I made a 2nd cat deck, a Hare Apparent Rabbit army monowhite deck, and a monored Goblin deck.
That's the best way to play honestly. Just have some fun with some friends. Good stuff
Cats go Crazy.
Ocelot is the best card of 2024.
Good video
Thank you!
"powercreep"
>shows most powerful card ever printed
...Storm Crow?
Dr Hands,
THAT’s the joke, Hare Apparent believes he’s the rightful heir but clearly there’s a disputed succession because rabbits are promiscuous and prolific.
It’s by far the most flavorful and successful silly name card we’ve got and it is a great continuity anchor to the bloomburrow set the way we had the Glimmers in duskmorn who granted bespoke synergy to the tribal archetypes explored in BLB.
Having unified leitmotifs across multiple sets makes these absurd shifts in theme and tone a little less aesthetically jarring.
IF that's the joke, then I fully retract my outrage. Because you may very well be correct. However, looking back at cards like "Holy Cow" and "Loan Shark" it'll be a while before I'm willing to give WotC the benefit of the doubt over their jokes again honestly. I really hope I was wrong and that's the joke, because if so it's actually really good
Foundations Is mainly Magic set and that Is what makes it great. I normally buy singles but now I really enjoy opening Foundations.
I'm glad they included some fun alt arts in standard boosters too! I certainly enjoyed seeing that Sire of Seven Deaths
Hare Apparent is a meme name--I get the distaste, but personally I feel its far worse with Loan Shark.
But I gotta say you're just wrong about it being funny. Not saying you have to like it, but its a pretty good joke.
The name and the mechanic work together to tell a really funny story--that somewhere in bloomburrow, there are dozens upon dozens of rabbits, all proclaiming themselves the heir to a family fortune, only to discover that they are only one of potentially hundreds.
Its a tongue in cheek reference to the family squabbles among dynasties, who often have conflicting rules of succession and frequent fighting among families.
I mean, look at how pompous and self important that rabbit is. He's the butt of the joke.
Okay, IF that's the case then yes. I guess with "Holy Cow" and "Loan Shark" I've just come to expect less thought put into their jokes than that. Unless someone from WotC comes out and confirms that's the joke though, I'm just going to assume we're doing the heavy lifting for them based on previous "jokes" of theirs
@RedBobcatGames I can't remember if she explained the joke at any point, but Kathleen from LRR mentioned in stream at some point that she actually wrote the flavour text for that card, so it might be possible to ask her?
Exactly! It’s his haughty little smug grin that sells the joke. He’s totally clueless that there’s literally an exponentially multiplying list of challenges to his claim.
@RedBobcatGames I really don't think this is a far fetched explanation. Asked around my local store and that seems to be the consensus on what it means.
Holy Cow and Loan Shark do make me hurt a bit, and it seems like they've gone very Dungeons and Dragons with the worldbuilding.
Whats the meme card about with Six?
In the lore Six is just a tree, not a treefolk. But around MH3 they put a video talking about some of their choices and they said they included the card just to be funny
Regarding Vivien Reid, your complaint is purely based on your own experience of being a veteran, and is nothing close to objective towards the new player experience. Personally I started playing MTG in 2018, and it took me a while to realize Nissa and Vivien were "less important" than Garruk. Newer player don't know about the 30 years of lore. I can't see a reason why Vivien or Nissa should not be given the spot. They are to many (myself included) the posterchilds of The Green Planeswalker.
True, but that's sort of my point though. I just find it interesting that they're the poster children when Garruk is the OG. I hear he's going to be in Aetherdrift though so I guess we'll see
Coat of Arms is better than Banner of Kinship because it can backfire spectacularly. MORE magic cards should be printed that can backfire in a big way.
Okay, yes. BUT, can they also not force me to constantly redo a bunch of calculations every time someone plays or removes a creature? Ugh, I hate that card so much
Do not disrespect my boi Tough Cookie like that
Good card, but terrible name!
Foundations is a back to basics Coreswt….and it’s actually the best set in ages…This is what Magic needs. No hundreds of commander decks, no designed for Commander, just back to basics.
Yes. I wasn't pleased when core sets went, but I'm glad to see Foundations pick up the mantle
Good on @zatu
Keep up the great work!
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I'm going to assume that second part was for me and say thank you haha
I run 50 lands in my Tatyova deck
I mean in fairness, of all the decks I've built this way a Tatyova deck is probably the best one to add more lands too
You can actually see Garruk in one of the showcased art pieces of Muraganda (with all the oozes) in the Aetherdrift teasers, which would be my guess as to why he wasn't featured in Foundations.
Ooohhhh, interesting. I do hope to see him back again. I always thought more could have been done with his character
Wait, what's wrong with Six? Or Anthropede?
Kind of two call backs to previous videos of mine. Six from my Modern Horizons 3 vid, and Anthropede from my Duskmourn retrospective. But in short, Six in lore is a tree and not a treefolk, but WotC devs said they included the card regardless as they thought it was funny. And Anthropede's name is just a movie reference to Human Centipede, which I find baffling as a choice
I don't know if Dreadhorde General was the best Liliana to have in the set, but it 100% isn't the worst - Veil and Dark Realms are worst (besides the PW deck ones obviously), Veil because it'd be awful for Standard and it represents her at a really bad time as well, and Dark Realms because it's a completely unrelated Planeswalker pretending to be Liliana.
And sorry, the pun names are never going to leave. They didn't leave after Nightmare, they didn't leave after Apes of Wrath, they didn't leave after Manakin or Squee's Toy or Shock Troops, they didn't leave after... like, half the Invasion Split Cards (shoutouts to Assault And Battery) or a bunch of the cards from the first two Unsets, or Goblin Offensive and Quick Sliver, or Foresee and Grave Peril, or Double Negative, then it was never going to leave.
Oh, for sure. They've always been a part of Magic. There's just be SOO MANY OF THEM lately. Maybe the number per set hasn't even changed. Maybe it's just with so many products coming out now, and half those being Universes Beyond, that when i see a pun name it really grates on me now
Yay! Dr Hands is back!
I'd rather not get new players used to the idea of planeswalker cards at all, but since I don't know anything about the different versions of Liliana anyway, I don't see why this one is worse than any other.
I'm glad you at least went for my favorite color combination, even if it didn't work.
Back, and no mess ups this time! Didn't have to correct him once for a change!
I genuinely didn’t realise the full arts were in normal boosters??
If you look at the Bloomburrow packs we opened, you'd think they weren't. Glad they're back now though
There may only be 17 unique white cards but the extra copy of Hare Apparent would let you break the singleton restriction for a total of 18 playables. Still a bit short of the goal unfortunately.
This is such a good point that reading it made me feel stupid haha. Thank you, for real. Oh man, but I've set precedent now. I try to keep all these Commander Scrambles to the same rules. Hmmm, I have a lot to think about
Thise method in no way checks whether a set is made for commander. It's not quantity that matters, it's the design of the cards and the playstyle the set encourages. The fact there are only a few multicolored cards does matter, though.
True, but I also use this as an oppertunity to talk design too. It's less an experiment and more a framework for discussion
@RedBobcatGames Fair enough, it sure works for that.
And it does tell you about the legendaries in the set, I guess.
Yeah, and a way to approach a topic while actually having something visually interesting on screen too
Isn't nighthawk Zendikari?
Yes, so I doubt they could make an Innistrad reskin work. But hey, we've started seeing Sol Rings pop up all over the place now so maybe
@RedBobcatGames I mean, a flying / deathtouch / lifelink vamp is peak vampire. No reason at all in can't be in Innistrad. We've had several sets with hats on, this lad just needs a wig and a fancy coat!
I can't believe you said coat of arms is the worst card of all time because you need to do math a couple times per turn cycle. That's mad
Oh yeah, 100%. But I totally stand by it honestly. I hate that card for that exact reason
At this point those zatu guys are just aserting dominance
I ain't complaining haha
Hands is a doctor now? Congrats!
To be fair I never asked what he's a doctor of. If I remember I'll try and find out
EVERY set is a commander set.
In some form or another, that does seem to be the case now. Though I think they're getting better (at least a little)
Is "commander set" an insult or something?
To people who want to really dig at excuses to make "MTG bad now" videos, it is.
To some people it is. It's why I wanted to make this video and take a look myself
Yes. Commander is trash.
@@elyea5928 It's literally the only reason a large portion of the player base plays the game. You are entitled to your opinion of course, but it certainly isn't true for majority of players.
@@JushakF I enjoy it and I don't understand why it attracts so much hate. The people who say things like "it's trash" seldom offer an explanation. I like commander because it gives me an opportunity to use cards that probably wouldn't be good enough for another format. Bello from Bloomburrow has given a good home to artifacts and enchantments that were good 20 years ago but looks mediocre now. It's even got a few that were never good but are incredibly useful when their main purpose is to become creatures and bash my opponents and their cute effect is for in case of emergencies. That precon inspired me so much I made a deck with Eriette the Beguiler as commander and it's given lots of very unexciting auras an opportunity to do something useful. Is 4 mana aura to give a creature flying and +1/+1 worth playing? Not usually, but if it steals my opponent's commander it's really strong. I just don't think that would work as a regular deck though. Even with 4 copies of Eriette I wouldn't be consistently playing her by turn 4.
“Just another commander set” wow
I've heard a lot of people say it
Garruk wildspeaker IS classic magic to me. he embodies green in a great way.
Yeah, he's what I think of when i think Green Planeswalker
@RedBobcatGames my guy untaps lands, creates creatures, and is overrun on a stick.
Can't get much greener than that.
Wait, a plainswalker is classic magic? _Turns to dust._
@@leadpaintchips9461 I think lorwyn can be considered classic magic at this point. Especially considering modern magic is cowboys and racing.
Plus it's more about garruk wildspeakers ability embodying classic green playstayles in one card.
Overrun dates back to tempest.
@@GucciGengar. Lorwyn is when I *stopped* playing Magic last time after years of playing, so I'll still be turning to dust over here thank you very much!
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A CARDinal sin
Good pun
Okay, I'd like to be mad but that was very funny
@RedBobcatGames it was the punfect adjective
I doubt they would reprint M14, or even lorwyen Liliana with out new art. So those are removed unless they are wiling to make new art for it.
I'd be on board if it better reflects where she's at as a character now I suppose
I've watched all of these "pack scrambles", and I'm still unsure how this proves or not that a set was "made for commander". My understanding of "made for commander" is individual cards with a different design philosophy than previous years. Like how Lava Spike got upgraded into Boltwave. Or the Storm crow example you gave yourself. I'm not sure how many people use "made for commander" to mean you can draft a legal deck from just packs.
Don't get me wrong, it seems like it could be fun.., if other people were also doing it and then you played games afterword with the decks. Or as just a drafting exercise alone.
I guess I'm unsure what you believe this is showing
Anyways, hope you have a good one 👍
It's less an experiment and more a framing device. It's a good oppertunity to crack a bunch of packs and talk about cards individually, and I find keeping the "We're building a commander deck" idea in mind is a good way to tie everything together at the end. For instance, if I were actually analyising the viability of a set from a commander perspective I'd open a bunch more packs, talk drop rates, and not have a set number of land per deck. As it stands, this is meant to be a bit more of a fun thought exercise, and more art than science.
actually you can build the commander deck, tatyova is a landfall deck so you wanna run more lands than usuall, i think you can get away with 53 lands easy
Oh yeah for sure, but I like to keep it at 37 because I do this for each set and like them to be judged by the same metrics. However, maybe this one needed something like (*works as a landfall deck) though
You’d hate my Rabbit commander deck. But I do only have 8 Heir apparents.
To be honest, I think the card is great! It's just the name I dislike
@ yeah it’s nonsense.
I'd love to make a Hare apparent rabbit deck, but like with literally every "you can have any number of this card in your deck" (or 9 in case of ring wraiths) the price at the online store I use to buy my cards is way above what I'm willing to pay for a meme card - Heir Apaprent is over 5$ a pop, Nazguls are 17€ each and so on... Think the lowest I've seen was Slime Against Humanity that has finally dropped bit below 2€.
@ I pulled mine out of packs. I do not buy singles. Except for my various Rat cards (Rat swarm, etc).
Wait… “Dr. Hands” ?!
Has it always been Doctor?!
I thought it was Mr. Hands
Nah, he announced his graduation a couple of box openings ago
@RedBobcatGames So proud of him. I guess next up is for him to be dubbed a Knight.
Sir. Dr. Hands.
That's going to go straight to his head
I think for aetherdrift I want to see a 15 pack scramble
Oooh now that's breaking the rules though!
@RedBobcatGames it's half the new box size
Oh man. That's heart breaking to think about
I 100% agree with you on the punny card titles and art. It absolutely STINKS of Marvel's famous quippy/always have a one liner nonsense. I hate it so much. ESPECIALLY when it's like every other card is supposed to be some haha funny joke. Why can't we take the themes, settings, and characters in the lore seriously? Why must everything feel like a crappy Marvel movie?
My theory is because once we lost the 3 set blocks world building became harder, and so WotC have to rely on short hand more to convey what a plane or set is about. And what better way to do that than puns?
On my way to zatu games to give them a suss for product
Pretty sure they have a channel tbh. Maybe I could try that angle to reach out to them actually. Good thought
The worst part about Hare Apparent and other cards with names like it is, not only is it a shitty pun, but it's a shitty English only pun. If Magic is supposed to be a game for anyone, it needs to care about languages other than Eglish - and I say this as someone with English as their first language.
Now there's an aspect I hadn't considered. Very good point though. I wonder how these cards translate
Sadly Vampire Nighthawk is Zendikar so no chance in Innistrad remastered.
Oh I'm aware, and a "Nighthawk" wouldn't really fit flavourwise on Innistrad. BUT, if they did it I'd still want to run it in one of my many "Oops all Innistrad" decks
They could have used foundations as a chance to also errata, or re-write certain planeswalkers card effects and chosen better art to represent a cool oart of their arc.
I agree with Lilliana have poor representation in her arc from the card aeletction. But I also argue that is one of the more popular variants of her planewalker ability..
Reminds me how I enjoy Ajani, but I am also burnt out on him retelling how he has lost his brother. Like yes, players should know that. But it has been like the main focus of his card design forthe majority of his variants.
But I guess I was juat more dissatisfied with representation in the Phyrexian war and it's aftermath so far. -_-
Yeah, I've been trying to kind of forget the whole Phyrexian invasion thing because there's so many holes in it that I'd end up making videos about nothing else honestly
Gotta say, I definitely disagree with your take on the Hare Apparent. I think the intention was that he specifically isn't the heir apparent, the joke being that you have all these card in your deck which are all say they are the true "One and Only". I dunno, great video though!
That has been pointed out to me, and IF that's the case I'll concede and admit it's funny. I'm not sure though looking at "Loan Shark" and "Holy Cow" as recent examples that WotC will have put that much thought into it. I hope I'm wrong
I can't stand Lilliana because I've always thought she should have been killed off back in Dominaria United instead of Jaya. Ajani's reveal as a sleeper would have had more impact if he took out Lilliana. It also would have made perfect sense from a strategy perspective because why wouldn't your first target be the one that you know can raise an army against you because you know, necromancy.
Fair point. And as we saw on Innistrad, Gisa alone spanked the Phyrexians so that does track
@RedBobcatGames It also would have been great reasoning for reprinting Lilliana of the veil. Here's a reprint of (arguably) the best Lilliana cause she's dead now.
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I have to be annoying, but nighthawk isnt really good anymore. It's been slowly phasing out of common/uncommon cubes and worst of all doesnt have the statistics for a "good card" on 17lands for draft
I'm going to disagree through my rose tinted glasses based on my love for the card and nostaligia alone. Vampire Nighthawk will always be good and I will construct a hill to die on if needed
Nighthawk has a 58,28 win rate in draft. That's good enough for it to be considered a "great" card in the set.
@lokid.r-k-9608 how do you figure? Looking at just top players, it has a 58.3 winrate ever in hand. Top players in fdn win 58.6% of the time. This is particularly damning when the card dodges both red and blacks cheap removal options, somewhat elevating the card a bit more thanks to unusually favorable context.
@RedBobcatGames I hope that's largely hyperbolic. Drawing a target around your bulletholes and talking through nostalgia is a good way to lose credibility.
@@freddiesimmons1394 If you're only looking at top players, nighthawk has a 61,4% win rate
More of a personal opinion based on hindsight, that can't really be corrected. (Though I personally try.) But I dislike variations of the same Legendary character... especially Planeswalkers. I love the Lorwyn walkers, but there shouldn't be any other versions of those characters. Though new artwork and depicting them in other spells is fine. This set gives us the what, 10th version of Niv Mizzet? When all we ever needed was the original "Firemind" card. I would very much rather have Liliana Vess, maybe with new artwork, than any other Liliana card.
They used to spend a lot more time on a character before jumping to the print, and many characters still don't have cards. I would rather they build a character up before giving us a single definitive version of their card! Not a new makeshift iteration every other set...
It also feels really awkward to play multiple iterations of the same character, which is why I exclude multiple iterations from my decks... which is why I play Commander to begin with to avoid even multiples of a non-legendary card. xD
Well there's used to be a Planeswalker Uniqueness rule which meant you couldn't play two Planeswalkers of the same type. I prefered that myself. I don't mind different versions of Planeswalkers bring printed. For instance, my favourite Jace is the SOI version where he's wearing that new coat he was so proud of. But I think if we're going to get a new card of an old character it should reflect some sort of change or growth
@RedBobcatGames But that's just a cosmetic preference and you could reprint the OG card with new art? Jace Beleren the card but with the SOI artwork?
Same for Liliana Vess, I think that card is the definitive Liliana and its 3 abilities represent her whole story perfectly... but most people like Liliana of the Veil... do they actually like that card or do they just like the art? The abilities don't really represent anything she has ever done and I think it would be a lot better if it was just a reprint of Liliana Vess but with the Veil artwork.
@@DigitalinDaniel It's an interesting thought and I agree with you for the most part. I think for instance what they did with War of the Spark and all the static abilities was a good reason for new cards as it made the PW feel like a unified front against Bolas. And of course, any Compleated PW would need new cards too. But aside from that, yeah maybe just reskins would have done the trick
Zatu Id greatly appreciate some product…
I'd say I'd put a good word in for you, but they still haven't called me back!
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Yeah, but that's more of a mouthful though
if you think storm crow got power crept try it in sharpie format, where it has storm...twice! =D
Haha, good advice!
I don't mind vanilla cards like Savannah Lions or Grizzly Bear getting powercrept, since some of the more boring cards from 1993 should probably be retired (IMO). Yugioh used to be "normal monster beatdown," but that ended in like 2003, and the last time normal monsters were really played in the meta was either Dino Rabbit or Evilswarm in 2013 (both used Rescue Rabbit to summon two same-named normal monsters from the deck to make an Xyz boss monster) or as cute tech with Dark Witch (the highest-attack level 5 or 6 LIGHT fairy monster in the game...this matters) in Domain Monarch in 2016*. It's just not that fun playing cards that don't do anything special. Like, use Foundations to set new power *floor* for future development, rather than from a time when no one actually played creatures.
*(you would use Brilliant Fusion to fusion summon Gem-Knight Seraphinite [giving you an extra normal summon] using Gem-Knight Lazuli and Dark Witch as Seraphinite's "Gem-Knight" and LIGHT monster materials...you could then use Lazuli's effect [when sent to the graveyard by a card effect, add a normal monster from graveyard to hand) to add Dark Witch, which you would use your extra normal summon from Seraphinite to tribute summon Dark Witch, giving you a tribute summoned monster to turn on all your Monarch cards...and because both Dark Witch and Gem-Knight Seraphinite are both LIGHT fairy monsters, you could do this going second while under the effect of both Gozen Match [each player can only control 1 monster attribute] AND Rivalry of Warlords [each player can only control 1 monster type]...stupid crap like this is why I love Yugioh!)
I think Power Creep is okay when it's contained to a single set, and then rotated out to reestablish the base line. I fear we've seen a bit much of a power crept card in standard getting power crept again, and thus the game getting faster and faster as a result. I hear that's why Battles were created, to try and slow the game down. It's all a bit of a mess
@RedBobcatGames One reason I like Modern is that it feels like every card actually does something, kinda like Yugioh. I'm not opposed to Standard adopting similar, like, maybe cheap French vanillas with a couple of keywords are the new power floor for a creature and stuff. Obviously you don't want 2-3 turn games in Standard, but I dunno...every card in your deck should feel *good* in every format :)
Should’ve done Liliana of the Veil instead of Dreadhorde General
Oh actually yeah, that's probably her at her most iconic
Innistrad Remastered will have her not to mention she has been in Standard for a few years now. They made the right call with Dreadhorde.
Ahh yeah, of course. How could I forget that's about to get reprinted. I'm quite excited for it honestly
@@ms.sysbit5511 I want it to be cheaper. Reprint it into the ground
Honestly though, while Foundations looks great, it feels like a slap in the face given their abandoning of the core lore from 2025 onward. It's like "Hey, remember that game you love? Here's your last chance to actually enjoy it before it becomes Funko The Gathering"
Yeah, you're not wrong. I'm sort of hoping this set does well and they learn that maybe people actually like the lore again
But imagine how big of a slap in the face it would be if they did that and also didn’t give us a good set to go out on.
It failed only cause you didn't open enough packs 😋 I'm a somewhat newbie and I think this set's name is apt. If I was helping a friend join and they are just playing my cards figure what they like but wanted to crack some packs, I'd be like ya this is fine if you want the experience but don't expect any value. Go ahead. Fine for a beginner to have something flashy or not.
Yeah, it's a good first step. A building block... a Foundation if you will
cmon .. you just giong to like Coat of Arms for the derp plays xD
I cannot express enough how much I honestly, truly don't. As soon as we need to bust out a note pad or calculator I want to scoop!
I've really lost interest in the game over the years and I've only ever been a kitchen table man my whole life, so this might be out of line to say, but it feels like "can we make the world's jankiest commander deck from this box" feels like a really bad criteria for determining the intention behind the product. Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that if it's got some chase legendaries, or cards clearly designed to only work in Commander that it's a Commander set, even if it was utterly impossible to shove together a technically legal pile? Or what if it was clearly a bad draft experience, or had nothing relevant for non-commander formats, wouldn't that be better evidence than this contrived method that nobody in the history of the game ever has genuinely used to brew a Commander deck?
Well this is less of an experiment and more a framing device to discuss certain cards and mechanics as we open them from the perspective of it possibly being a Commander product. It's more art than science. If I were to do true data analysis I doubt I'd need to open packs at all as that would only provide circumstantial evidence. But that's not as fun for a discussion style video, you know?
@RedBobcatGames Hmm okay I guess. It feels a little like click-bait, in that I expected you to really analyze the idea, but I get that that's the meta on TH-cam nowadays. And doing it this way is getting you free boxes, I am all for that. Hell, if I had a similar scenario happening I'd milk it dry. Get that bag dude, hell yeah.
Haha, thank you. Click bait wasn't the intention though. Maybe next time I'll be clearer that this is meant to be more of a casual chat sort of thing. I guess I went into it not thinking about the people who wouldn't have seen me do this kind of video before. Thank you for the feedback, it's most welcome!
That intro sounds a lot like Zatu's laundering money or something
Haha, maybe. Though in fairness I was trying to call around Black Friday so I'll give them another go in the new year when they're less busy
Sounds like you have another batch of packs in that box… would be a shame if you ran it back and did it again 😂
I like to do follow up videos where I open more packs after the set's kind of passed relevance. A look back over how it did. So I guess... see you in 5 years for more? haha
This was not a good experiment. How could you possibly make a viable 100-card commander deck out of only 12 boosters, when in prerelease you make a 40-card, 2-color deck out of 6 packs and you get to include duplicates? Personally, I'd take each card in the set and look at its EDHREC score. If a card is used in a lot of decks, then it's considered a staple. If Foundations consists of at least 20-25% commander staples, then it is a commander set. That's because nobody cares about draft chaff that is included even in Commander Masters sets.
I've always liked the draft chaff. I think Magic's more fun at lower power levels honestly
@RedBobcatGames that's fair, but you have to use more booster packs. As I said, you could barely make a functional 40-card deck with 6 booster packs in the first place, not to mention that Play Boosters have 1 less card than Draft Boosters.
Oh yeah, you're not wrong. Though it has been successful with the Duskmourn box which passed
Zatu is based lol
I'm certainly not complaining haha
Nah dude, Hare apparent is a great card, that's the most unecessary complaint about magic that I've seen in a while. Well, among the ones that were being civil at least.
Oh I like the card, just not the name
@RedBobcatGames Yeah, I meant to say complaining about the name
Oh right. Well yeah, it is what it is
Vivian and Kaito replacing Jace and Garruk is probably for diversity reasons. The Lorwyn 5 are 4 white people and a cat person with white fur; not exactly the most diverse group ethnically speaking.
Very true in fairness. And I could understand why they'd do it then if that's the reason
Modern Horizon 3 as commander set better.
Appears to be the case, yeah
The anime arts from this set are absolutely hideous.
I must admit I'm not a fan of some of them either