I like how you point out I.33 contains artifacts as a result of the training conditions expected by it's authors. That's an avenue of thought that hasn't occurred to me.
It's good to see you talking about i33 again. A system I'm very interested. The book is fascinating; a very good attempt to explain something very complicated and very vague at the same time. I'm quite convinced it's "talking" to a crowd that is very familiar with combat - may be military sword and shield but not so well versed with more civilian sword + buckler.
Really enjoying your sword and buckler as well as the arming sword alone videos! I’m a long time sport fencer and coach. The ideas are much more familiar than most other HEMA videos I’ve seen. Looking forward to more of it!
Hi Federico, i thought I posted a comment but it disappeared. Firstly thank you for posting another video on i33, ive been using your older videos a lot recently. I have thought about this a lot. I have found that halfshield is an outside guard. Most people hold it central to the opponent like you demonstrated, exposing the right arm. However, if you enter with a step to the left and turn your body so halfshield is more aimed at your opponents right shoulder, you are very protected and dont expose your right arm at all. Your opponent still has the option to stichslach around your defense, which in my opinion is the real threat. I've written a detailed interpretation of i.33 based on the premise that the counter wards i33 shows us are the optimal defence (used offensively) against the primary attack from each ward. I may be wrong, but to me it seems strange for i33 to demonstrate counter wards that are open to the side the ward is attacking, esoecially as the counter wards are used offensively, to attack the person in the ward. Anyway, this is my interpretation, i may be wrong.
Interesting. Personally, your interpretation of HalpSchielt is how I used to imagine Schuetzen if you adopted it covering your right side instead of your left while entering... Just my 2 cents though
@@michaelcapaldo3512 do you mean Shutzen with the blade pointed up (I call it reverse half-shield)? If so, the misconception is that the buckler is the thing protecting you, when it is actually the sword protecting you. In the illustration, it looks like the buckler is held directly left or right of your sword (in halfshield or Shutzen), but if you turn your body to face the opponent's sword your buckler now faces forwards. What we've found in my class is that Shutzen simply prevents your opponent from separating your sword from the buckler. Compare this to halfshield, which is almost useless when defending the left side (I exaggerate, it isn't useless but there is a reason why Shutzen defends against a cut from the left and halfshield a cut from the right). I've written a detailed guide on my blog. Hema101.com
@@stuartking84able Ok. First, Yes I mean the point up Schutzen. Second, I completely agree on the blade doing most of the defensive work by closing the line. I just had time do have a very brief look at your blog and the impression I get (correct me if I am wrong ) is that you interpret Schutzen (point up) as covering the left and Halp Schielt as covering the right. The way I have practiced in the past was more like Halpschielt: take the centre line... Schutzen: cover either side (with Schutzen covering the right being similar to your interpretation of HalpSchielt... I do appreciate though that Schutzen is depicted as a left side cover in the manuscript). That being said, thank you for linking your blog to me, I definitely intend to read and try out your interpretations...
@@michaelcapaldo3512 yes that's the gist of my interpretation. Basically, the obsesseo is used to briefly cover the line while I close in for an attack. The counter wards oppose the primary attack from the ward. The trouble is the illustrations are flat so we don't know whether the counter wards are held centre, left or right. I've assumed they are held on the side the ward is held (unless there is a good reason otherwise). What results is a system not a million miles away from German longsword, and even halpschilt and Shutzen aren't that disimilar from tierce and quarte in sabre fencing. Of course, the beauty of i33 is it is so open to interpretation. I may be wrong, and I probably am. 😂
Ooh, is that a wooden buckler? Those are so difficult to find. Idk how accurate the HMB ones are, given most of their stuff is overbuilt relative to historical objects.
@@Grauenwolf Entirely steel bucklers are relatively common and easy to find. It is wood-and-steel composite bucklers that are rare, though they accounted for the overwhelming majority of bucklers through the Middle Ages, when entirely steel specimens were uncommon the very tail of the Late Middle Ages and still less common than composites. Pretty much all of the composites on the market (that I know of) are made for HMB, though, and I do not know how well they represent historical ones (HMB arms and armor usually function and handle quite differently from historical tools).
I like how you point out I.33 contains artifacts as a result of the training conditions expected by it's authors. That's an avenue of thought that hasn't occurred to me.
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@@Grauenwolf "we don't stab fellow Germans" wink, wink, nudge, nudge
Love i33 videos.
It's good to see you talking about i33 again. A system I'm very interested. The book is fascinating; a very good attempt to explain something very complicated and very vague at the same time. I'm quite convinced it's "talking" to a crowd that is very familiar with combat - may be military sword and shield but not so well versed with more civilian sword + buckler.
Looking forward to you diving back into I.33!
Really enjoying your sword and buckler as well as the arming sword alone videos!
I’m a long time sport fencer and coach. The ideas are much more familiar than most other HEMA videos I’ve seen.
Looking forward to more of it!
Thanks ;-)
Love the I33 content!
Love sword and buckler! Thank you, sir Fede :-)
You are welcome!
Hi Federico, i thought I posted a comment but it disappeared. Firstly thank you for posting another video on i33, ive been using your older videos a lot recently.
I have thought about this a lot. I have found that halfshield is an outside guard. Most people hold it central to the opponent like you demonstrated, exposing the right arm. However, if you enter with a step to the left and turn your body so halfshield is more aimed at your opponents right shoulder, you are very protected and dont expose your right arm at all. Your opponent still has the option to stichslach around your defense, which in my opinion is the real threat.
I've written a detailed interpretation of i.33 based on the premise that the counter wards i33 shows us are the optimal defence (used offensively) against the primary attack from each ward. I may be wrong, but to me it seems strange for i33 to demonstrate counter wards that are open to the side the ward is attacking, esoecially as the counter wards are used offensively, to attack the person in the ward.
Anyway, this is my interpretation, i may be wrong.
I should have said the opponent's left shoulder (right from the perspective of the person in halfshield)
Interesting. Personally, your interpretation of HalpSchielt is how I used to imagine Schuetzen if you adopted it covering your right side instead of your left while entering... Just my 2 cents though
@@michaelcapaldo3512 do you mean Shutzen with the blade pointed up (I call it reverse half-shield)? If so, the misconception is that the buckler is the thing protecting you, when it is actually the sword protecting you. In the illustration, it looks like the buckler is held directly left or right of your sword (in halfshield or Shutzen), but if you turn your body to face the opponent's sword your buckler now faces forwards. What we've found in my class is that Shutzen simply prevents your opponent from separating your sword from the buckler. Compare this to halfshield, which is almost useless when defending the left side (I exaggerate, it isn't useless but there is a reason why Shutzen defends against a cut from the left and halfshield a cut from the right). I've written a detailed guide on my blog. Hema101.com
@@stuartking84able Ok. First, Yes I mean the point up Schutzen. Second, I completely agree on the blade doing most of the defensive work by closing the line. I just had time do have a very brief look at your blog and the impression I get (correct me if I am wrong ) is that you interpret Schutzen (point up) as covering the left and Halp Schielt as covering the right. The way I have practiced in the past was more like Halpschielt: take the centre line... Schutzen: cover either side (with Schutzen covering the right being similar to your interpretation of HalpSchielt... I do appreciate though that Schutzen is depicted as a left side cover in the manuscript).
That being said, thank you for linking your blog to me, I definitely intend to read and try out your interpretations...
@@michaelcapaldo3512 yes that's the gist of my interpretation. Basically, the obsesseo is used to briefly cover the line while I close in for an attack. The counter wards oppose the primary attack from the ward. The trouble is the illustrations are flat so we don't know whether the counter wards are held centre, left or right. I've assumed they are held on the side the ward is held (unless there is a good reason otherwise). What results is a system not a million miles away from German longsword, and even halpschilt and Shutzen aren't that disimilar from tierce and quarte in sabre fencing. Of course, the beauty of i33 is it is so open to interpretation. I may be wrong, and I probably am. 😂
How do I get a copy of the 1:33 manual. Do you have a link/website that I could order a copy?
I made a review of the I.33 made by the royal armories, check it out.
Ooh, is that a wooden buckler? Those are so difficult to find. Idk how accurate the HMB ones are, given most of their stuff is overbuilt relative to historical objects.
all my wooden bucklers are home made basically.
@@Grauenwolf Entirely steel bucklers are relatively common and easy to find. It is wood-and-steel composite bucklers that are rare, though they accounted for the overwhelming majority of bucklers through the Middle Ages, when entirely steel specimens were uncommon the very tail of the Late Middle Ages and still less common than composites. Pretty much all of the composites on the market (that I know of) are made for HMB, though, and I do not know how well they represent historical ones (HMB arms and armor usually function and handle quite differently from historical tools).