If y'all would like a longer more in-depth Buffer Bloat video like this comment! Thanks for all the support this year ❤ Everyone have a happy & safe New Year! See y'all in 2024 🎉
Good video and guide. I have the Asus TUF AX-3000 router and have found though lots of testing, that by limiting the Adaptive QoS to a maximum cap of 300Mbps is the only way to completely eliminates Bufferbloat on this router. So far this provides a consistence A+ score with 0ms latency added for both download and upload. My unloaded latency is 4-5ms on a 500Mbps symmetrical fibre connection. I believe the main limitation is due to the router CPU bottleneck which means I will need to upgrade if I wish to benefit from the full bandwidth of my connection.
I watched your guide on integrating with a UDMP. I have a full Ubiquity environment here, so I intend to do use your method of dual NICs and probably a PowerShell script to flip between gaming and normal work. In order to combat bufferbloat, I enabled Smart Queues on my UDMP which has helped tremendously. I am normally 1ms or less jitter now. The downside is that I have 2.5Gb fiber, and the UDMP caps out at 1Gb using Smart Queues. How do you feel about leaving Smart Queues enabled while also using Ping Optimizer on the R3? To be honest, I only plan on connecting my Xbox and PC ( While gaming ) to the R3, so I don't need actual congestion control from multiple devices. However, enabling these features seems to really help with bufferbloat/jitter even with a single device using the internet. Do you think it is pointless to also use Ping Optimizer?
So far it seems like games run better without buffer bloat being controlled via the udmp or R3. I finally figured out how to allow the R3 to control all the network traffic including Wi-Fi. The udmp is set up as the main router but basically acting as a glorified switch with added security for the R3. I'll go into all the details of that setup in a future video. It's definitely a better setup than the way I had it before. When it comes to gaming I'm trying to figure out exactly what feels best. Seems like not running any congestion controls on the udmp or R3 has been the best way to go. However I'm still trying to mix and match every possible setting before I definitively say what's best.
Thanks for all the videos thus far, they really help. I have 2 questions. 1. What kind of modem do you have? 2. Do you know if you can turn off the wifi on the netduma?
Loved the video! I usually do my bufferbloat tests through my Xbox series x and I know u said to make sure no gaming is happening. What do u suggest? I just figured doing bufferbloat through my Xbox would be more accurate.
Quick question… under smart boost if I’m playing call of duty should I move that up to number 1 prioritized over gaming? Does it matter? Look forward to ur answer! Really appreciate ur videos! Keep it up!
Can anyone tell me how to get gaming activity to show on the R3 homepage. No matter how many hours of gaming I do it never shows gaming activity, always stays at 0s, but it does show video activity. BTW i do have gaming as my top and only priority under smart boost.
It's been flawless for me however I've seen one other person report something similar on the forums. When you go to smart boost and you're playing a game does it light up? If so it's working properly just not tracking for some reason?! I'd report it along with your ISP & modem. Forum.netduma.com
what can i expect doing this over wifi? i cannot get good upload results on a 1200/40 plan. also should my bandwidth speeds be set to my wifi speed test or ethernet speed test?
@@LowPingKing i'm currently redoing my game room so i'm playing on wifi, its not ideal but with your help its not as bad as i expected. thanks for the videos
Ping King's awesome video as always . I'm wonder when they are planning on releasing the update for the R2. Because there should be nothing holding them back from it being released. It's not like they can say it's net gear router on they are waiting for netgear to release it very disappointed with how they are going about. Smh
After a lot of tinkering etc I find the best results is by knocking 10% off your isp throughput so for example your isp gives you 500 drop it done to 450 and same with upload knock that off 10%. I think this is due to the 3rd party speed test duma use. It’s not up to scratch but is workable. I 4ms upload and 3ms on download. Before I was putting in my isp throughput speeds I was only getting A scores not A+
They use an outside test Mlabs & sometimes it goes down. Enter your own speeds via any other speed test. Average best two of three. Then use a website like waveform for buffer bloat testing. Be aware currently IPv6 qos is bugged and not working properly. Best to shut off IPv6 on WAN & LAN then reboot. IPv6 qos was working right before Christmas break so I'm sure they can get it back fairly quick.
@@LowPingKing Did all of that before going back to the XR1000. It's a $200 paperwieght atm. I'll plug it back in to try the new firmware releasing next week.
@@LowPingKing I’m really hoping the next firmware irons out the issues I’m having. I can live with the ping optimizer and speed test not working but not getting the same speeds and wifi performance as the XR1000 is a deal breaker for me unfortunately
@RamboUnchained can you elaborate when you mean same speeds as xr1000. Are you just talking about Wi-Fi? I'll be making a Wi-Fi video soon. If you're on Android and I'm not sure if iOS has it there's a great app called Wi-Fi man. It'll help you find the best channels for your setup. My speeds on Wi-Fi increased dramatically once I used Wi-Fi man to set the appropriate channels and width. Another thing that's causing confusion is smart boost will always try to adjust things for best performance. For Wi-Fi testing it's the same as wired. Yet you also have to make sure to set channels and width properly if you want Max speeds.
The XR routers are NOT getting DumaOS 4! In my opinion if you own an XR router it's time to move on. My XR500 is now completely retired. Netgear has shown no love for the partnership they have an incredibly small team of only a couple people working on all the XR routers! That's why NetDuma has not been able to push big updates for years.
For any of you lot that are struggling with steady ping only use steady ping is you already have an unstable connection for example WiFi connection. If you’re LAN connection turn that shit off. I had to email netduma a few times about crazy input delay on LAN connection, steady ping isn’t meant for LAN connection. Just a heads up for those who are screaming at their router 😂
@@LowPingKing not what the forums say bud, Fraser the tech specialist on the forums said disable it for the time being as it’s causing geo filter issues. Atm on 0.23 update basically have to turn everything off for the geo filter settings to work efficiently. It’s a decent product but to me it hasn’t been tested properly pre release. IPV6 also is causing mayhem
im from florida i got 1gb download and 100mb upload. im doing 24% download and 85mb upload congestion dont know how to make upload zero Unloaded 19 ms Download Active +0 ms Upload Active +7 ms Unloaded Min: 12.8 ms Median: 19.2 ms Max: 23.1 ms Mean: 19.1 ms 25th %ile: 18 ms 75th %ile: 19.7 ms 95th %ile: 22.2 ms Jitter: 1.2 ms ↓ Active Min: 11.6 ms Median: 16.6 ms Max: 42 ms Mean: 17 ms 25th %ile: 14.6 ms 75th %ile: 18.5 ms 95th %ile: 23.2 ms Jitter: 2.4 ms ↑ Active Min: 17.7 ms Median: 26.5 ms Max: 36.2 ms Mean: 26.2 ms 25th %ile: 23.6 ms 75th %ile: 28.3 ms 95th %ile: 32.3 ms Jitter: 2.9 ms
update i left upload at 100% and left download at 24% and now i got better results.. LATENCY Unloaded 19 ms Download Active +0 ms Upload Active +1 ms Unloaded Min: 12.2 ms Median: 18.9 ms Max: 38.2 ms Mean: 19.3 ms 25th %ile: 17.9 ms 75th %ile: 19.7 ms 95th %ile: 23.9 ms Jitter: 2.1 ms ↓ Active Min: 12.2 ms Median: 16.9 ms Max: 266.9 ms Mean: 18.7 ms 25th %ile: 15.1 ms 75th %ile: 18.8 ms 95th %ile: 23.6 ms Jitter: 4.3 ms ↑ Active Min: 13.5 ms Median: 20.1 ms Max: 35.9 ms Mean: 20.3 ms 25th %ile: 18 ms 75th %ile: 22.3 ms 95th %ile: 25 ms Jitter: 2.5 ms
If y'all would like a longer more in-depth Buffer Bloat video like this comment!
Thanks for all the support this year ❤ Everyone have a happy & safe New Year!
See y'all in 2024 🎉
yes please
Yeah pls
Thanks for the video! I have been getting great results mitigating buffer bloat with my R3! Wooohoooo
Good video and guide. I have the Asus TUF AX-3000 router and have found though lots of testing, that by limiting the Adaptive QoS to a maximum cap of 300Mbps is the only way to completely eliminates Bufferbloat on this router. So far this provides a consistence A+ score with 0ms latency added for both download and upload. My unloaded latency is 4-5ms on a 500Mbps symmetrical fibre connection. I believe the main limitation is due to the router CPU bottleneck which means I will need to upgrade if I wish to benefit from the full bandwidth of my connection.
Great video man! i am loving my R3 it is amazing!
I watched your guide on integrating with a UDMP. I have a full Ubiquity environment here, so I intend to do use your method of dual NICs and probably a PowerShell script to flip between gaming and normal work. In order to combat bufferbloat, I enabled Smart Queues on my UDMP which has helped tremendously. I am normally 1ms or less jitter now. The downside is that I have 2.5Gb fiber, and the UDMP caps out at 1Gb using Smart Queues. How do you feel about leaving Smart Queues enabled while also using Ping Optimizer on the R3? To be honest, I only plan on connecting my Xbox and PC ( While gaming ) to the R3, so I don't need actual congestion control from multiple devices. However, enabling these features seems to really help with bufferbloat/jitter even with a single device using the internet. Do you think it is pointless to also use Ping Optimizer?
So far it seems like games run better without buffer bloat being controlled via the udmp or R3.
I finally figured out how to allow the R3 to control all the network traffic including Wi-Fi. The udmp is set up as the main router but basically acting as a glorified switch with added security for the R3.
I'll go into all the details of that setup in a future video.
It's definitely a better setup than the way I had it before.
When it comes to gaming I'm trying to figure out exactly what feels best. Seems like not running any congestion controls on the udmp or R3 has been the best way to go.
However I'm still trying to mix and match every possible setting before I definitively say what's best.
@LowPingKing word. I may hit you up on the forum soon. R3 hits on Thursday. Considering getting a block of IPs from ATT.
Thanks for all the videos thus far, they really help.
I have 2 questions.
1. What kind of modem do you have?
2. Do you know if you can turn off the wifi on the netduma?
Using a Motorola modem & yes wifi can be shut off.
Great video. Thanks for the information I got an A+
Loved the video! I usually do my bufferbloat tests through my Xbox series x and I know u said to make sure no gaming is happening. What do u suggest? I just figured doing bufferbloat through my Xbox would be more accurate.
so you are of the opinion that waveform delivers better results than the current test from dumaos?
Waveform is fairly accurate and well-known that's why I used it as my example.
I received and set up mine yesterday. I never did get a successful ping test after multiple attempts throughout the day.
It is very hit and miss. They're aware and working on a long-term solution. They use an outside site for these tests and it's very finicky.
same for me
Is there an option in R3 settings to enable / disable “Traffic Prioritisation”? Similar to XR500?
Quick question… under smart boost if I’m playing call of duty should I move that up to number 1 prioritized over gaming? Does it matter? Look forward to ur answer! Really appreciate ur videos! Keep it up!
You could just leave gaming as is.
@@LowPingKing awesome! Thank you! Also, hope ur continuing to feel well brotha and u have a blessed new year!
Can anyone tell me how to get gaming activity to show on the R3 homepage. No matter how many hours of gaming I do it never shows gaming activity, always stays at 0s, but it does show video activity.
BTW i do have gaming as my top and only priority under smart boost.
It's been flawless for me however I've seen one other person report something similar on the forums.
When you go to smart boost and you're playing a game does it light up? If so it's working properly just not tracking for some reason?!
I'd report it along with your ISP & modem.
Forum.netduma.com
soo i just bought it today the ping op wont run it keeps saying you ran into a error same thing with trying to do a speed test ? thoughhtsss
My congestion control doesn’t work at all please help me
what can i expect doing this over wifi? i cannot get good upload results on a 1200/40 plan. also should my bandwidth speeds be set to my wifi speed test or ethernet speed test?
Wi-Fi test will be less accurate.
Set your speeds to your ethernet speeds.
Try to do tests over ethernet if possible.
@@LowPingKing i'm currently redoing my game room so i'm playing on wifi, its not ideal but with your help its not as bad as i expected. thanks for the videos
Do u have a discount code if i buy one? It has a spot where i can use a discount code at checkout so i figured id ask.
Unfortunately no.
Ping King's awesome video as always . I'm wonder when they are planning on releasing the update for the R2. Because there should be nothing holding them back from it being released. It's not like they can say it's net gear router on they are waiting for netgear to release it very disappointed with how they are going about. Smh
The R2 will get it eventually.
After a lot of tinkering etc I find the best results is by knocking 10% off your isp throughput so for example your isp gives you 500 drop it done to 450 and same with upload knock that off 10%. I think this is due to the 3rd party speed test duma use. It’s not up to scratch but is workable. I 4ms upload and 3ms on download. Before I was putting in my isp throughput speeds I was only getting A scores not A+
Everybody's results are going to be different when doing buffer bloat testing! 10% may work for you and not for others.
Whats ur internet provider?
Ping optimizer and speed test straight up aren’t working after upgrading to .23 and factory resetting. Thing is super bugged
They use an outside test Mlabs & sometimes it goes down.
Enter your own speeds via any other speed test.
Average best two of three.
Then use a website like waveform for buffer bloat testing.
Be aware currently IPv6 qos is bugged and not working properly.
Best to shut off IPv6 on WAN & LAN then reboot.
IPv6 qos was working right before Christmas break so I'm sure they can get it back fairly quick.
@@LowPingKing Did all of that before going back to the XR1000. It's a $200 paperwieght atm. I'll plug it back in to try the new firmware releasing next week.
@@RamboUnchained sorry you're having a bad experience. Been absolutely loving mine. Gaming has been fantastic. Especially compared to my XR500 & R2.
@@LowPingKing I’m really hoping the next firmware irons out the issues I’m having. I can live with the ping optimizer and speed test not working but not getting the same speeds and wifi performance as the XR1000 is a deal breaker for me unfortunately
@RamboUnchained can you elaborate when you mean same speeds as xr1000. Are you just talking about Wi-Fi?
I'll be making a Wi-Fi video soon.
If you're on Android and I'm not sure if iOS has it there's a great app called Wi-Fi man. It'll help you find the best channels for your setup. My speeds on Wi-Fi increased dramatically once I used Wi-Fi man to set the appropriate channels and width.
Another thing that's causing confusion is smart boost will always try to adjust things for best performance.
For Wi-Fi testing it's the same as wired. Yet you also have to make sure to set channels and width properly if you want Max speeds.
First! Let’s go! Definitely need to upgrade my XR1000
That's what I upgraded from. Loving my R3
You don't need to upgrade all you need is a update, XR1000 is good enough.
The XR routers are NOT getting DumaOS 4!
In my opinion if you own an XR router it's time to move on. My XR500 is now completely retired.
Netgear has shown no love for the partnership they have an incredibly small team of only a couple people working on all the XR routers! That's why NetDuma has not been able to push big updates for years.
@@kz400- heard that before , impossible I updating the same router 5 times , reset everything and still can’t open heat Map? Yeah I’m upgrading.
@@LowPingKing thank you. Will do
For any of you lot that are struggling with steady ping only use steady ping is you already have an unstable connection for example WiFi connection. If you’re LAN connection turn that shit off. I had to email netduma a few times about crazy input delay on LAN connection, steady ping isn’t meant for LAN connection. Just a heads up for those who are screaming at their router 😂
Steady Ping works for both wired & wireless connections!
Leave it on and if you need to adjust use Expert mode!
@@LowPingKing not what the forums say bud, Fraser the tech specialist on the forums said disable it for the time being as it’s causing geo filter issues. Atm on 0.23 update basically have to turn everything off for the geo filter settings to work efficiently. It’s a decent product but to me it hasn’t been tested properly pre release. IPV6 also is causing mayhem
My geo filter works fine.
im from florida i got 1gb download and 100mb upload.
im doing 24% download and 85mb upload congestion
dont know how to make upload zero
Unloaded
19 ms
Download Active
+0 ms
Upload Active
+7 ms
Unloaded
Min: 12.8 ms
Median: 19.2 ms
Max: 23.1 ms
Mean: 19.1 ms
25th %ile: 18 ms
75th %ile: 19.7 ms
95th %ile: 22.2 ms
Jitter: 1.2 ms
↓ Active
Min: 11.6 ms
Median: 16.6 ms
Max: 42 ms
Mean: 17 ms
25th %ile: 14.6 ms
75th %ile: 18.5 ms
95th %ile: 23.2 ms
Jitter: 2.4 ms
↑ Active
Min: 17.7 ms
Median: 26.5 ms
Max: 36.2 ms
Mean: 26.2 ms
25th %ile: 23.6 ms
75th %ile: 28.3 ms
95th %ile: 32.3 ms
Jitter: 2.9 ms
update
i left upload at 100% and left download at 24% and now i got better results..
LATENCY
Unloaded
19 ms
Download Active
+0 ms
Upload Active
+1 ms
Unloaded
Min: 12.2 ms
Median: 18.9 ms
Max: 38.2 ms
Mean: 19.3 ms
25th %ile: 17.9 ms
75th %ile: 19.7 ms
95th %ile: 23.9 ms
Jitter: 2.1 ms
↓ Active
Min: 12.2 ms
Median: 16.9 ms
Max: 266.9 ms
Mean: 18.7 ms
25th %ile: 15.1 ms
75th %ile: 18.8 ms
95th %ile: 23.6 ms
Jitter: 4.3 ms
↑ Active
Min: 13.5 ms
Median: 20.1 ms
Max: 35.9 ms
Mean: 20.3 ms
25th %ile: 18 ms
75th %ile: 22.3 ms
95th %ile: 25 ms
Jitter: 2.5 ms
is that coming for xr500? that updated os
No
@@LowPingKing is the r3 much better than a xr500 ? spec wise and features ?
i was looking to a asus ax6000
The R3 is awesome. I have retired my xr500. The R3 is the best router I've ever owned!
@@LowPingKing any place selling besides oficial page ?
No