One Villainous Scene - Loki's Glorious Purpose
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There was One Marvelous Scene. Then One X-Cellent Scene. And now, on the eve of James Gunn’s The Suicide Squad, let’s talk about some bad guys. This is One Villainous Scene.
I chose to look at the opening scene from Avengers Infinity War where Thanos and Loki have a short chat about failure, Gods, and attention.
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I always read "You will never be a god" as Loki taunting Thanos, as a the God of Mischief himself. But it is an interesting interpretation that actually he had identified Thanos' ambition, and was instead telling him, almost based on personal experience, "You will *never* have what you want." I'd never thought of it like that.
I think I'd say that it's both. A taunt with a mutual understanding that it holds truth.
I think the Loki show has given us a much better psych profile of Loki.
Granted it was focused on varients, i think we can assume that Loki when killed by Thanos and Loki at the start of Loki have the same skillset for analysing others and understanding what makes them tick.
Same, but now I think he's right with that annals.
The best part about Loki sacrificing himself to stop Thanos was that he wasn’t doing it for respect or glory or fame. He did it because he was protecting Thor.
Yes made it even harder to watch 🥲
Loki didn't die, early in the series Loki describes one of his powers.The power to make an identical copy of himself, not an illusion as typically seen. Later when talking to classic Loki he tells his story, he was in exactly the same situation as original Loki. But the version of him that was killed was one of those perfect copies. Classic Loki was disguised as rubble.
From a cameras point of view the scene played out exactly as we saw in Infinity War, then classic Loki spends what must have been thousands of years in exile.
This means we have every reason to believe that in the original Avengers timeline where we saw Loki die to Thanos that Loki did exactly what classic Loki did, because it's a Loki thing to do and we know our Loki has that power.
Now that the TVA is no longer able to prune timelines its entirely likely that our prime Loki will be revealed to still be alive, possibly in Love and Thunder, possibly in Loki season 2.
@@DrewLSsix I really hope not, that would really take away from that Loki's arc
It wasn't loki's choice tho, the TVA wanted it to happen so that's why it happened.
@@DrewLSsix
Absolutely.
Has anyone done Captain Barbossa from Pirates of the Caribbean 1? “You best start believing in ghost stories Ms Turner, you’re in one!”
"cause you're in the final four"
He was the most "pirate" pirate in those 3 films, stole the limelight of every scene he was in
You could do it ;)
Sounds like a job for you my guy
You do it. Grab your phone camera and record your thoughts and talk about it. Or voice over the scene(and get youtube stricked instantly). You don't need high production value, just do it
this has got to be my favorite annual TH-cam event, props to Nando for organising these!!
Same, its better then the TH-cam rewinds
@@nickbain3448 Then again, anything is better than those at this point
Preach!!
I think the “saving the world” part was much less important to him than the being right part, because otherwise he would have come up with a better plan then something that would be so traumatic and only ‘help” for like 20-40 years when the population doubled again.
But he says it: the trauma IS the way. He's aware that any solution is temporary. The only way to extend the duration of that solution is to make sure that the people who are left are so traumatized by the solution that they will make sure it isn't needed again.
He isn't right, but that was his point.
The further issue is, based on the evidence of "End Game" (other animals returning when Hulk used the gauntlet), the "blip" wasn't even limited to intelligent/sentient life, but ALL life. Let what that really means sink in. Half of the life that would qualify as a "resource" in the scarcity that he was trying to address was also gone. Maybe we can be generous and claim plants weren't affected, but I wouldn't bet on it because Groot was still able to be "blipped" away.
@@AcetylsaliciIique that is neither touched on in the story nor realistic. Populations suffer trauma all the time (on large time scales) and they still return to normal. Other than the fact that earth was somehow the epicenter of this story nobody on the planet would have known why it happened, that it was a response to careless population. Why would they then take any measures even in the short term to control their population? Letalone have the drive or means to keep things in check for the rest of time?
There's no way to rationalize his drive, it can't work amd makes no sense.
@@AcetylsaliciIique People would respond the opposite way.
If a population can randomly be halved for no reason and with no warning. Then logically you need to have as many children as possible to survive future halvings that may arrive at any time.
Thanks for mentioning how the details of Thanos' plan is what makes him the villain. To me, he could have doubled the resources, yes, but how his mind went to killing half of life instead and ultimately chose to go with that solution it is what makes him abhorable. The "Thanos was right" mindset that trended a while back got me a little alarmed.
Because he believes he's right. He's so set on that he won't consider any other way.
But in real life, doubling resources is not possible. Population reduction is. That's the gist of "Thanos was right", the application to the real world.
@@robgronotte1 but again, murdering half the population isn’t the solution. Especially when in reality a lot of the time we do have the resources, it’s just that due to corruption, poverty, and greed, those resources are hoarded by the wealthy instead of making into the hands of the impoverished
@@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527 exactly this. He even says in the movie that his plan is fair because, rich or poor, all have a 50% chance of dying. This argument just straight up ignores the fact that the poor outnumber the rich on earth alone by billions, and probably by trillions across the entire galaxy. The snap will massively disproportionately target poor people over rich people, while doing nothing to change the power dynamics that resulted in such inequality.
so, basically, the "Thanos was right" crowd is EXACTLY what Thanos would've wanted.
Man, he won at the end of IW on numerous levels, huh?
Can’t wait for Filmento to not be invited again.
Yeah I hope not though
LMAO
He’ll just make his own anyway, with or without an invite. Lmao
Can’t wait for him to do One Hero scene out of spite
I wonder what his opposition video topic will be this time. Perhaps "One Heroic Scene"?
I think Thanos was actually "trading" the mind stone for the space stone... With the space stone, he can travel to any corner of the universe in a matter of seconds, so it's ok, he can just recover it. The space stone basically kickstarts the whole movie ( Avengers IW). After getting it, he stops needing his own ship, he just... appears wherever he wants to
I read fan theories that the Mind Stone might serve as the "processor" of the Infinity Gauntlet, reinforced by it being the biggest of the set. If you freeze-frame Infinity War, everytime Thanos uses the gauntlet, whatever available stone's power is activated one at a time. When he completes the gauntlet, wanting the random culling of half of all life in the universe is a really big wish, and the mind stone can make the calculations using the combined powers of the stones to make it happen.
@NobodyC13 I think I remember seeing a video that disproves this by showing every time Thanos uses an Infinity Gem, and there was this one thing on Titan he uses two Gems in tandem for.
@Faic Legion yeah when he fights doctor strange he uses multiple stones at once
And when he throws the moon at iron man he uses the power and space stones simultaneously to do it
@@NobodyC13 The Soul Stone is the biggest, not the Mind Stone.
@@vutava8292 I think you might be muddled up with the comics or something because in the movie he puts the soul stone in the smaller slot and the mind stone in the biggest one
Ok it makes perfect sense that Thanos leases out the mind stone to Loki because it’s been confirmed by marvel that the stone was manipulating Loki’s emotions therefore helping Thanos ensure Loki’s victory and compliance with the deal they made.
That's neat, but do you have a source? I've never heard this before.
@@pance_9912 Loki’s I mean.
@@geekgirl616 Right, I know. But are you able to find the quote where that was confirmed?
@@pance_9912 I could but it’d take me a while to find if you want to find it it’s in the bio somewhere and there’s also google there were news articles written about it when marvel put that fact in his bio
no that still doesn't make sense. the stone would only help by making Loki not betray Thanos, IF Loki won and got the space stone. But Loki lost, so it didn't ensure anything. He gambled 1 stone for another and lost 2 stones in the end.
I guess I always believed there was an inherent level of pettiness to Thanos' mission statement, even though he presented it as objectively selfless, but you summed up really beautifully what that pettiness looks like and how deep it goes.
You nailed it man. As you said thanos doesn’t want to help people he just wants to be right. He’s not a hero or even an anti-hero.
Perfectly timed to coincide with the newest Marvel Villainous expansion, Mischief & Malice. Which features Loki as the box villain.
Either way, the marvel hype is real!
I like this but in Endgame Thanos secluded himself and lived as a farmer. If he truly wanted to be a god then wouldn't he want to be worshipped? Or I guess just causing the snap gives him enough satisfaction. Or even darker, maybe he just wanted everyone to suffer just like he did when Titan was destroyed.
I feel like he doesn't need the validation of seeing people worship him, because on the surface he believes with absolute certainty that he is right and that people will worship him. Even when the Avengers find him, he still doesn't appear to have had any kind of revelation, he still believes that his plan was right and the costs were justified. Going into isolation allows him to maintain that delusion. If he sat on a great throne at the centre of civilisation, he would risk seeing that most people don't believe in his plan or worship him and instead curse him. Maybe a subconscious part of him knows that and he's protecting himself from that.
He's waiting for the credit and appreciation to come to him. He wants that graditude to come, saying "You were right! Thank you". That's the kind of worship he wants.
Honestly, the motivation given in the comics would have been much more effective and logical.
His comics version was trying to romance the embodiment of death, this motivation would make perfect sense for a villain.
The movie motivation of "saving the universe from overpopulation" ignores most of basic ecology where populations naturally trend towards the carrying capacity.
I'm not normally one to say things like "the show doesn't count cause it isn't exactly the comics/manga", but his is an instance where the could have stuck a little closer to the source material.
It's less that he wants to be worshipped, and more respected. He wants people to go "That's Thanos, he saved us all, he's so cool." So when people come to his farm for his head, he's like "Why are you arguing with me? I'm right." He got to die being right.
I felt like he was acting like a self imposed martyr especially after killing gumora.
Okay but there's no better redemption arch than Loki's. Him being the one "hurting" Thanos is justice.
The only one to challenge Thanos on an emotional level. Making him lose his cool for a moment.
One thing I learned a long time ago when I was REALLY getting into pro wrestling (mostly WWF at the time with some ECW and later ROH) as a teen was that for villainy to be really effective in fiction the villain ("heel" in wrestling) has to behave with conviction, like the character believes their way is THE only right way. Bonus points if the character actually believes it, unless the character's villainy is supposed to be that they're untrustworthy.
I think that whatever Loki's motivations in prior projects may have been, they were at least different to that in the Loki Disney+ series. In that one, it became pretty clear that his motivation was not "credit," it was "security." As Renslayer said, "Only one person gets . The one in charge." Loki wanted to be in charge so that nobody could take away his free will.
Like you said, Thanos uses a stone to get another stone, so it does make perfect sense for him to lease the mind stone to Loki in order to get the Tesseract. Thanos is so long-term big-picture about his goal, losing the mind Stone is merely a temporary setback and he knows he’ll get it back when he needs to. He thought using Loki, Ronan, and others to get them for him would be all he needed, but because all were failures in doing so, he declared “fine, I’ll do it myself” and that’s exactly what he did.
Yeah, but how does Thanos use the Soul Stone?
@@cesarwitha_t The stone after the Soul Stone is the Time Stone, and he got that after defeating Dr. Strange, which was a fight where he did get some use out of the stone. (to dispel all the fake Stranges, you can see it glow when he does so)
@@Joephnarro Hmmmm fair enough
@@Joephnarro I'd also wager that the soul stone is the one that let him peer into Tony's "soul" and know enough about him in order to say the line "you're not the only one cursed with knowledge." Meaning he was perhaps using the soul stone at times in that battle to learn more about his opponents
A little nitpick, (not unlike his podcast mostly nitpicking) how come Nando never faces the camera directly. He’s always facing slightly to the side.
it's probably to prevent parasocial relationships
He probably doesn't have an in-camera teleprompter. He's reading off of a tablet screen just to the side of the camera.
@@Dalenthas but he's looking straight at the camera the whole time. His head is just turned slightly to his left.
That's his best side.
Either I heard it wrong or he called the time stone the “time zone”
No no, you're right
Came down to look for this. But still love Nando
I also came to see if anyone else noticed ha ha
I kinda forgot that whole “Thanos really just wants approval” angle that I saw when I first saw the movie over the years. Thank you for reminding me the kind of character Thanos is.
One Villanous Scene - Killmonger’s Speech & Death - Black Panther
*Wakanda Forever*
And this is why Marvel needs to pay for my therapy bills. Thanos wanted everyone to suffer, the audience included!
This guy gets it. I've ever had to explain this aspect of Thanos' motivations to people who took him at face value. He doesn't want to save the universe. He want's statues erected to him for having done so. In his twisted understanding of how the universe works. He thinks this display of limitless power and killing half of all that lives will get him there. And that's why alternate Thanos was more than willing to wipe out all life and start over. None of that really matters. He just want's the universe to recognize him as it's savior in the end.
*Every* decision in this opening scene is so deliberate and clever in terms of establishing Thanos’ character, it’s flipping amazing. I think this video gets Thanos better than most.
1:27
so wait, does this confirm that nando is an enjoyer of the cinematic masterpiece that is Speed racer (2008)?
One of my favorites
@@NandovMovies can I ask is it possible if I join through TH-cam?
@@NandovMovies epic
I’m not sure if I should be proud or embarrassed that I recognize all of the TH-camrs from that intro
I only knew one. Who were some of the others?
Tell me all of them
I _kind of_ like this interpretation of things? But one thing that bugs me is something that's always bugged me about interpretations that use Titan's however-long-ago history: We have _no idea_ just how true that "history" is. The _only_ source for it is Thanos himself, who's already been shown to have built up a ginormous personal paramilitary force that regularly murders half a planet at a time.
He _says_ that he proposed random culls _as_ Titan "faced extinction", but the only other view of the planet he ever shows is a Titan that's looking pretty lush and vibrant. Basically, I consider it entirely possible, and even quite likely, that when Thanos says Titan "faced extinction," what he _really_ means is that, having come to his conclusions - rightly or wrongly - about resource contention being a potential problem, he decided that extinction was so inevitable as to be already in progress.
He thus tells an apparently thriving world that disaster is coming and they need to start randomly murdering off chunks of the population, and is quite rightly called a madman. Does Titan _really_ then experience some drastically precipitous but ostensibly natural downfall the likes of which he'd predicted? ...Or did he possibly "help" things along, aided by however large a force he'd gone out into the galaxy and, uh, _assembled,_ and Titan became a ruin because he ultimately wiped them out for not listening to him?
Granted, my take on things presumes a _lot_ of things not in evidence. But it also feels to me like something that's more consistent with the kind of guy we're shown Thanos is in pretty much every other aspect of his appearances. What would Strange, Stark, etc. have seen, if they'd spent a little time checking out the ruins of the cities, rather than just staying near the wrecked ship? Would there have been evidence of a population that'd starved to death? Would they have found records in which Thanos got his Jor-El on, telling Titan's leadership about the coming doom? Or would they have found signs that a big-ass space militia had rolled up and dona a genocide?
I honestly love this theory
This makes a lot of sense. In fact, something like this plays out in Endgame too. Thanos from the past has the realisation that people like the Avengers will never believe in his plan and will always try to undo it, and so he changes his plan from wiping out half of all life to wiping out all life and starting over. That sounds like something that could conceivably have happened to Titan. If Thanos decided to take it into his own hands to wipe out half of Titan and the people there resisted, I can definitely see him taking that badly and just wiping out the whole planet for their lack of gratitude. And of course in his mind he wouldn't see that as a personal failing but as a failing of the people of Titan to listen to him, which is the narrative he continues to spread.
I've also believed that Thanos could have been wrong and Titan died out a different way, but he claimed that it was because or overpopulation because he refused to be wrong.
Videos like this really make me wish that Thanos' true personality was emphasized in the films, it would of made him a lot more compelling in my eyes.
I think it's better that it's on the subtle side
I think it works better as being inferred.
Because having that facade shows off his true personality even better. That facade IS part of his true personality, it's his justification, his rationalization, his argument... the Lie he told himself.
It exists specifically because his true personality naturally creates it.
@@MrSeals1000 Beautiful. 👌
This is the first time I see a youtuber finally and truly understand Thanos. Not "Thanos deserved to win" or "Thanos doesn't know how population works" stuff. There is a reason why he is called the mad titan because he is neither a noble hero nor a genius environmentalist. At the end he is doing this for his own ego, to desperately prove how right he was and become the savior he wants to be based on his own twisted ideology.
Yes, yes to all. His "logic" is fueled by his ego - that he is the one with the right plan and that he is the one with authority to execute it on behalf of the universe.
@@ruthielalastor2209 to be fair, everyone thinks they're the one with the right plan. And everyone most certainly would execute such a plan if they had infinite power to do so.
This gave a whole new meaning to him saying that he knows what it's like to lose , feel so desperately that you're right , yet to fail nonetheless .
Y'know, it all makes sense now! I'm finding that one of the most common core motivations behind real-life villains and shitbags is the desire to feel big, and seeing Thanos through that lens makes a lot of the supposed inconsistencies in his character make more sense.
I guess not enough people watching his convo with Strange pay attention to the "they called me a madman" line. I think that's where the majority of his grievances come from. His methods never made sense, and perhaps if someone on Titan had taken his plan seriously enough to sit him down and talk it out with him, he might never have become the "mad titan" we all know him as.
Perhaps he's so dead-set on the genocide direction because in his mind he associates it with that moment of rejection and humiliation, and cares more about his plan as a way of vindicating himself in the (posthumous) eyes of the Titans who put him down than as a genuinely viable way of making life more sustainable across the universe. I mean, fuck, he literally decided to completely destroy the universe and rebuild it from the ground up rather than admit that maybe his peers were right and his plan did suck after all in Endgame.
Did Thanos really think that erasing half of all life would make the universe better? Or did he just keep telling himself that to avoid confronting the pain of rejection?
Wait, this isn't about the Justin Hammer dance?
"Did Thanos know about the Mind Stone?" It wasn't the Mind Stone when Avengers was written.
I always say the line "you will never be a god" as a parallel of when the old man in avengers 1 said "there will always be men like you". Great character moment for loki.
I love how Loki was still Loki till the end. He just didn't stop trash talking even in his death.
Finally Speed Racer is given the attention it de- oh wait...
I took MCU Thanos' intentional stone swapping as training himself, coming to terms with what each stone could individually do before his big play. I do, however agree that he chooses to create more suffering because of his own, though I don't think it's intentional. Throughout Infinity War I got a profound sense that MThanos wanted to be stopped; That he wanted someone to put him down. Maybe that's just a hold over from remembering the crux of Comic Thanos during infinity War, but I think that's what makes it look like he's playing for so much of the movie. He gives each individual who stands up to him an opportunity to beat him, often playing _into_ their strengths. The only time this doesn't happen is when he's facing multiple opponents, which is also the only time we see him use multiple stones together.
"endgame is the biggest crossover in history."
me: One Villainous Scene
Marvel needed thanos to win in IW no matter what, because of how built up he was
This cut just makes me love and cherish Loki even more.
My favorite Villainous Scene is the entire introduction of Davy Jones in Dead Man’s Chest.
It feels weird that Nando didn't do that video with Justin Hammer
Literally my first thought when seeing the title and the villain. How are more people not asking this very important question, why didn't Nando do his video on Justine Hammer.
So next project ought to be One Hammer Scene. TH-cam gang's going to make multiple videos for Justin Hammer. 😂
From video games:
"Do you know the definition of insanity?" -Vaas
"A man choose, a Slave Obey" Andrew Ryan
I'm not a TH-camr, but would love to see someone do them.
I would normallyagree but in the ending scene we don't see him gloating or taking a throne and only a few people are left that even know what thanos did. We see him on a planet, living simply in a hut by himself.
Every second of this scene absolutely blew me away in theaters. I was there opening day and I don’t think I’ve ever been hit with more back to back to back shocking moments. The opening scene of Infinity War blew my mind more than any other time in my life
Idea for your next one “One DCeased Scene”, talking about your favourite death in a movie or tv show or something.
That's a good idea.
One DCent scene for dc?
One DC-sastrous Scene, Filmento already started that. Everyone else should follow and credit him for it
@@arupmistry1378 That's a negative video. The point of this series is to celebrate franchises
This prolly my least favorite interpretation of Thanos, specially "Infinity War Thanos"- he doesn't seem to enjoy makin others suffer at all, not consistently, he does make Loki suffer, but they've got history. Thanos decision to use the reality stone against Gamora is a test of her feelings, not a cruel torture. With Wanda, she was legitimately holdin him back, he needed to rewind Vision cuz Wanda's endeavour was actually enough to stall Thanos.
Thanos crusade is not related to "being right"- he fully accepts that the universe likely does not understand him at all, but he has conviction enough to follow through anyway. He is portrayed as doing what he's doing cuz he believes he's righteous and his goal, selfless.
I still really enjoyed the video tho! Just not a fan of this specific Thanos interpretation
What about when Thanos looked at Thor just after killing Loki and waiting a few seconds to plop his body right in front of him? Seemed like he wanted to enjoy Thor's suffering.
@@jlev1028 well thor, hulk n Loki definitely put up resistance and Thor was talkin smack to Thanos after he killed that dark magic guy... Also that was a man who was already dead from Thanos perspective. Notice how throughout the whole movie Thanos has countless opportunities to kill and make avengers suffer, yet chooses to either temporarily incapacitate them or just leave since he has already acquired the infinity stones.
The most villainous thing about this retrospective is the fact Filmento was left out again.
Great scene! Great analysis!
I dunno if I agree with the Thanos wanting credit and gratitude thing. Like after he snapped he left all of civilization and was living on a planet by himself. If he wanting credit, gratitude and attention he would’ve surrounded himself with the remnants of his yes-men to hear them congratulate him and give him all the attention.
But nah he just leaves and after that he even goes so far as to destroy the stones so he doesn’t get tempted by the power of it. Good video regardless even if I don’t agree, hope someone goes a vid on Davy Jones
I have honestly never thought about it this way, and I don’t think I’ve heard a take like yours before for this scene…well done. Makes me love Infinity War more than I already did. 👏🏼
Invited filmento?
who?
“Open invitation”
Well if he got invited we would'nt get "One heroic scene" in a week or so.
Never thought of this before. Excellent perspective! Helps me understand Thanos and the complexity of his character far more than before.
Filmento's crying right now.
Finally someone who gets it. That Thanos was never the selfless savior figure he postured as.
Okay so is it just me or is it super passive aggressive that he's never invited his "arch nemesis", filmento, to these things?
I don't think he's doing it maliciously, either he asked and filmento declined or he didn't ask as to not ruin the running joke. I think both Filmento and Nando want to see "One heroic scene".
Loving this playlist! Seen you, Jill Bearup and Ben From Canada. Going to check out the others!
After all these years I maintain that Loki is my all-time favourite character in the MCU 😊
My favorite is the white house scene in Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes. Spoilers btw.
The one with Red Skull and Winter Soldier. EMH made me love Red Skull and Winter Soldier. This one scene represents everything I love about those characters. Skull reveals he was Dell Rusk. Winter Soldier breaks his programming. So much is great about this scene! It's one of my favorite scenes EVER! God I love EMH so much.
I’m super excited for this series. This is the first time I have enough of a TH-cam channel to make a video for this, and I’ve already got an idea for what I want to do. Such a great topic!
*For your point about not using the stone themselves:*
It should be noted that while the Avengers didn't try to use the mind stone... you need to remember... they COULDN'T use it... Vision was literally crippled right from the start and using it would have killed him...
*For your point about giving Loki the stone:*
While it looked like a bad move to just give up the mind stone... it let Thanos have every single stone (minus the soul) in a place where he knew he could get it..
Ragnarok happened and then he went on attack after attack...
*For your point about Thanos wanting people to suffer:*
I don't think Thanos WANTS the universe to suffer or to be praised... I think he honestly thought he was being merciful... he honestly believed that he was doing the right thing...
No, his cruelty isn't because he's purposefully trying to make them suffer... his cruelty is that he doesn't seem to realize he's making them suffer...
Before he went to Wanda, he didn't want her in pain. When stopping Loki, he wasn't toying with him, but being merciful and giving him a chance. Even with Gamora, he didn't want her to be dead.
He gives them a chance because he views himself as merciful...
To him, giving them that chance was his mercy... letting them watch themselves fail was his mercy... allowing them to do their best before facing despair was his mercy....
Everything Thanos does, in his mind, is good intentioned... and that's what makes him so evil...
He doesn't want to save the universe, he wants to be the savior.
Say is the "One Villainous Scene" project limited to only movies? That is to say, is it allowed to cover TV series, comic books or maybe even video games?
Edit: Turns out the answer is yes. Sorry about the unnecessary question.
I don't want to be rude, but I, in my own opinion, think your view of Thanos is flawed. Of course, this is my own perspective... but I don't think Thanos wants attention or actual respect (in the long term). After all, his end goal was to live alone on a farm with nobody knowing his whereabouts.
He just too strongly believes that he is right. So in his mind, everyone else is just being stupid and ignoring the (in his head) obvious answer.
In his arrogance, he believes that he is being merciful. He believes he is actually being kind...
He is arrogant to believe that his answer is the right answer and to stop that is wrong and evil.
He gives them a chance, not to make them suffer, but as a form of mercy. To allow them to realize that what they are doing is pointless, but to also give them a chance.
In his own sick twisted mind, he is a hero. In his own sick twisted mind, he is merciful. In his own sick twisted mind, he is making the largest sacrifice in the universe.
In his own sick twisted mind, he believes that he is saving them from worse suffering.
Thanos wants to save people from suffering.... and he believes that he is doing that. It's not him being cruel, it's his own sick twisted way of being kind.
It's what makes him evil.
He doesn't want to be viewed as a god, but in his arrogance, he thinks of himself as one without realizing it.
He views himself as a humble man just trying to do the right thing, but has a god complex that he himself does not realize.
He views himself as a kind merciful soul trying to save the universe from suffering, but has an cruelty that he himself does not realize.
He viewed the torture of his daughter as "helping her"... he viewed killing Gamora's mother as "saving her"
It's not that Thanos wants to be viewed as a god... he ends up viewing himself as one... without realizing it.
Didn’t see this coming. Looking forward to it all.
Didn’t see it coming either.
I don’t know if anyone has covered it yet but surely Hans Gruber’s “who said we were terrorists?” is up there as a great moment, concluding with him killing Takagi.
Also Goldfinger running through his heist with the hoods (or “No, Mr Bond. I expect you to die!”)
Or how about Michael Douglas in FALLING DOWN? (“I’m the villain?)
Or how about….
Am Making a One Villainous Scene I Hope it Gets in the Playlist
Nando, another great video and another great TH-cam event too! I'm thinking of submitting a video essay!
I love these series. I want to see Darth Maul's final fight with Obi-Wan.
He had the high ground.
Two things I disagree on: one, I don’t think Thanos was trying to purposely torture Star-Lord and Wanda, he was seeing whether they had the same will as him. Star-Lord was preparing to sacrifice Gamora (as per her request) in order to prevent Thanos from discovering the Soul Stone’s location. Thanos wanted to see whether he’d follow through, he clearly knew Gamora had asked Quill to kill her and wanted to know whether Quill had the willpower to follow through, hence the ‘I like him’ when Quill showed he was actually going to do it.
Same with Wanda, Thanos could have used the Reality Stone to turn her to marble, the Space Stone to teleport her across the universe, but he didn’t. He wanted to see whether Wanda had the same willpower as Quill and he, if she was capable of doing something far harder than sacrificing oneself for the greater good, sacrificing someone else. Thanos had already done so with Gamora by that point and wanted to see if Wanda was capable, if she had the strength as he did. He was curious.
And Secondly, I don’t think Thanos (Infinity War version) ever planned to finish as a God. Loki says ‘You will never be a god...’ as that’s the only motivation he’d think Thanos had, which is a goal Loki’s had since Thor (2010). Thanos didn’t want that, it’s clear he didn’t at the end as he doesn’t rule over the Snap survivors, return to his army on Sanctuary II and continue being a warlord. No, Nebula backs this up in Endgame when she says that Thanos would always say they’d go to ‘the garden’ after his work’s complete. Thanos always had that in mind, to ‘finally rest. And watch the sunrise on a grateful universe.’ He didn’t want to become a supreme god, he wanted only to rest after completing his life’s work and live in peace knowing (in his mind) that he’d saved the universe.
Another point that supports this is the fact he willingly destroyed the Infinity Stones, citing that after the Snap they had no purpose except to tempt him further. He destroyed them to stop others from reversing his work, and to make sure he wasn’t tempted to use them again for anything tyrannical. Although he suffers further damage after the second use of the combined Gauntlet, Thanos had no idea he’d survive, he used the Stones to destroy the Stones not knowing if he would survive, that’s not something a power hungry god would have done. At that point, after the first Snap, his work was done. If he had died he wouldn’t have minded, he knew his work was done, his destiny fulfilled and would be able to die at peace with himself.
Ngl I've never disagreed with a video more than this, everything he said about Thanos's motivations doesn't fit in my opinion
Great video/playlist
But I respectfully disagree on what Thanos wants
I believe his goals are much "higher" (at least from his perspective)
I always thought thanos justwanted to see if Gamora really did care about him. Just like how he wanted to see if Starlord would keep his promise. I don't think wanting to see them suffer and wanting to make them understand is mutually exclusive. He carresses Wandas head before rewinding time. I truly believe he wasn't being condescending in that moment. Thanos was sociopathic but ultimately He cared about these people in the way I are about an ant farm.
You're doing God's work, Nando
I had NEVER seen Thano's motives from that specific viewpoint. I need to go rewatch infinity War!!!
Nitpicker: "Why didn't Thanos just double all the resources?"
Thanos: "I did, by removing half of all of the life in the universe."
Has anyone considered doing a video on the scene in the Netflix version of Daredevil where Kingpin (Vincent D'Onofrio) makes an omelet? It sounds silly, but there's a lot to learn about his character in that scene.
I hadn't really read MCU Thanos' motivations like this before, and I find it interesting how it sort of coalesces with his goal in the original comics, which is to impress the personification of Death. Which means, all both Thanos want is attention and credit, and the only thing changing is who they get it from. This actually makes me appreciate MCU Thanos and the Infinity War movie a lot more!
Disagree. Thanos retired and lived alone. He could've used the stones to create life and give himself worshippers if he wanted to. Like he said the work was done and that was all. He never wanted to be a God. When Strange calls him a prophet he simply says, "I'm a survivor". He did his mission and then he retired and became a farmer of all things.
Okay for some reason comments from a different video were being displayed while I was watching this video, and I was very confused as to why everyone was talking about The Joker
I really wish Thanos' writing had been as good for the rest of the movies as it was for that first scene.
He's just...so boring with his stupid little plan. No vision. No creativity.
"Thanos wants to be right, and he wants to be praised for it" that is the best summary of Thanos and why he's a villain, AND the best rebuttal to the "thanos was right" (no, he was not) crowd
Never made a video essay before, but I’ve been trying and failed. Now with this however, I’m gonna try making one on one of my favorite villains!
Bravo sir! Bravo! This is some of the best Thanos analysis I’ve heard. Excellent!
my villainous scene is the bank heist from the dark knight. it says so much about his character; how precised and well planed all he does is despite what he says, how meaningless a human life is to him compared to his end goal, he killed his henchmen after he didn't need them just so he would get 100% of the money he, kept track of the bullets in the shotgun while being shot at with it, and we later see he steals all this money and the money from the other heists that we can assume were planed and executed to the tier of this one to burn it. he is in a word evil not crazy evil and that shows it best. when he says what doesn't kill you makes you stranger and revel his face were shocked and exited yet we all knew it was him from the moment we saw him that scene explain his whole character in 5 minutes and that is why it is amazing.
Next up can you organize “one magical scene” where everyone does a favorite scene from Harry Potter?
I need to double subscribe after the yugioh acknowledgment
Ben from Canada's face is on Captain Boomerang! That's gotta be a Mr Sunday Movies joke. 🤣
Is thar Ben from Canada?!
Seeing him was a delight
I need someone to do a one villainous scene for garmadon beating up lloyd in the prison or killing mr e.
(I suck at making videos)
I had no idea that you were able to involve sooo many people in this. This is such a great way to give exposure and cross pollinate each other's audiences 🤩
This was an excellent video essay and analysis of a scene I already loved. You've really brought a new perspective to this scene that I hadn't considered, and I respect that greatly. Subscribed. :)
I disagree with the idea that Thanos wants credit. His actions show otherwise. He did nothing to get credit, to change the narrative of what he did. He rarely explained the reasoning for his actions.
Going to make a video about the devil from the song “The Devil Went Down to Georgia”
Well he had the same philosophy to destroy titan as he did the universe so I see the attention thing wrong. He’s not that immature he developed this omnipotence prior to being ignored
i hope someone does Makuta Teridax. the mans planning skills are legendary
If I could I would love to do a "one villainous scene" but I don't make vids and I think it's too late
I have never thought , how "Credit" was important to Thanos.
I think one of the most interesting thing about Thanos is he is an observer.
I love the fact you brought up about Thanos pretty much spiting in the Guardian’s faces with being able to grab the stones without flinching, especially when Thor tells the Guardians that he had the power stone, proving how thanos is so much more powerful thang originally thought!
Bro please give me more Speed Racer talk… there’s never enough.