One of the most informative instructional videos I've ever watched, swear words & all! Absolutely no waffling or faffing, straight to the point & down to earth. I'm a mechanic &,I've learnt a few tips from this! In short an excellent production, full marks!
I just wasted the whole saturday, removing the front hubs. My father wants to help and is wondering how to get the bearing and flange out and the new in, wondering how it's kept together. I'm just where this video starts and I loved it too.
Good video, John. The fellow who owns the Citroen is fortunate indeed to have your skill and experience available to him. The efficiency with which you get the job done is the result of the knowledge you have gained over your career. Those who think that the step-by-step procedure from a dealer's manual is the only way to correctly accomplish a job are living in a cartoon world.
i do very little vehicle work now but wish i had known the welding tricks 45 years ago. as for the troll, i wouldn't have bothered relying to him. it amazes me how those that don't know try to tell those that do that they are wrong.. loved the video. great explanation and demonstration as usual.
John I have been doing it that way for 35 years and never had any problems, they can be as you say trouble but if it works do it. good work for a Sunday morning too.
Cheers for making the vid. I heard of removing bearings with a welder but never seen it or tried it myself. Did it today to remove motorcycle stem bearing outers. Took no time, one fell out and the other only took a little bit of persuasion with my thumb detector.
This is one of the better and correct vids on front wheel bearing i've seen on you tube. liked the welding tip. If only i had so much workshop gear at home . Well done great vid.
Top job just as it should be done. Never seen the welding trick only ever warmed them up myself I'll be using that next time. Most garages today are part fitters not mechanics,that would have been all new with some so called garages and a big price tag to match. Your the man John B. Atb Rob
Well done John, no different over here in the states. I leave nicks on the flanges all the time, no harm done. I had not tried welding on the race, next time I get a stuck bastard I will try that. Like others have said, don't mind the" know it alls" they probably think you shouldn't use an impact wrench for fear of "over loosening that bolt" Keep up the good work!
I loved the video. I have had my share of jobs which have fought me all the way, car, house, etc. Glad to see you managed to overcome "Murphy" on this project.
Fun video. Doing these at home requires a bit of thought. I had no welder so used a boggo torch to the hub itself and that helped my puller and bar pop the rusty bearing out.
Rust!! The mechanic's worst nightmare. There is no easy way, all the fancy tools in the world can't help you. The welder trick to remove the outer bearing always works, it also works very well on the inner race. Just a couple hits while its still warm from welding and it will fall right off. Keep smilin John.
+Darren Blattner It may be the mechanics worst nightmare, but as an autobody repair and painter in Hawaii, it was my cash cow! :) The saying "Rust never sleeps" is very true. So, all of the rust repairs I did that the insurance company shops would turn down kept me well fed and warm at night. Aloha...Chuck
Knolltop Farms I hear you, I've done my time working on sanders and snowplows. Up here in Canada they don't spare the salt on the highways in winter. It even rots out aluminum fuel tanks (under the straps) on the big trucks. I have repaired over 200 of these tanks in 20 years of welding. Keep smiling. D.
Great job. Nice trick with welding the circlip and bearing race. I don't get what any of the criticism was about, there was absolutely no brute force and ignorance going on there, just solid resourcefulness and skill. Not to mention the usual high standard of video production. Well done.
Aargh! the knockers.The thing about you John that I like is (and I've said this before) your great down to earth approach to mechanics & engineering. Basically, you create, repair or, fix & that takes skill. Whereas in this instance, a so called "proper job" by a fitter at the main agents would mean a complete exchange part (probably a repaired exchange unit anyway) and great hefty bill to boot. So carry on the good work my friend. Cheers John. PS; "bring back the grease nipples" LOL.
I just use an abrasive cut-of wheel in an angle grinder. Most of the bearings I do (dirt bike, etc) are a lot smaller than the one you were dealing with. But I have done a couple pretty big ones when helping a buddy in his auto shop.
Was doing something similar today, just it also involved some adjustable reamers to make the new bushings actually fit. Then to get the preload right when you have nothing aside from "not solidly bound" to "wobbles all over the place" and nothing in the middle. Bit of gentle persuasion with a wooden block though got the preload somewhat right, and the bearing seems to have survived, and the bushes are not as wobbly. Next time though I will have to put a sleeve on the shaft to handle the wear, or make a new one.
Brilliant stuff. I needed some inspiration before attacking the jag front wheel bearings. You've got it down pat. Turn that fire alarm goes off though @15:30,don't need anything like fire to spoil your concentration :-)
John, dispite the tearing about, it is so refreshing to see the liberal application of assembly lube. The whole thing could have been much worse, the vehicle gods were on your side. Cheers, Andy
+Gary C From another Gary C ... I agree that it was great of John to do Automotive Work on a weekend to get this lad to work today. In addition ... to get it done with the minimum parts replaced ... not replacing the whole suspension upright because the bearing was seized in there. Great Job! Thanks John!
Hi mate. I thought the welding of the ring was inspired. I have been fartassing around with those things as well driving me to drinking. Thanks for the idea. I would use it, but most likely I will have forgotten it when I need it. It's a good thing evolution did not depend on me, we would still be living in caves.
+Marcel Timmers I believe a common ancestor we could have may be my great, great, great, GREAT grand-uncle old Homo heidelbergensis forgetalotus...LOL! Sampai jumpa...Selamat Malam, beng...I miss Indonesia so much, I'd love to have my tools and two lathes on Sumbawa or a remote town where folks would think my basic gear would be a factory :D
Ya you see the Heidelberg s have at least invented the press, we invented relaxation. I would live there as soon as I could. The culture, the food, the women,and the price of living. I'm from Holland originally, and if we would have tread a bit more lightly we might still have been there. Selamat Datang!!!!
+Marcel Timmers No kidding, you're Dutch too? Well, I'm only 1/4 Dutch, and not from the Netherlands, but my last name is an Americanized version of "Water Man" or "Man of the Water" at least that's what a Dutch couple in Bali told me. A funny thing was at first the husband said my name meant "Wet Man", LOL, but the wife made it a little nicer saying it meant "Man of the Water", so my ancestor's must've owned some lovely swamp back in Holland before they emigrated to New Amsterdam. Waaay back in the day, a little bit after Old Uncle Forgetalotus ;)
When we used to do wheel bearings we used to always keep the old bearing and use it to smash out the other bearings.. Just the outside bushing of the bearing...We always used to do it still attached to the car :D..
Nice job John... I wonder how you price these done at home but for the firm jobs though? If you want a fun video, I'll try and make one next time I'm doing mk6 transit front wheel bearings :) I had to make a sledge hammer powered extraction tool!
Maybe the bearing comes off faster if you use ice spray. Steel expands if it gets warm und shrinks if it gets cold. A good Ice spray: Würth Rost Off Blue Ice
Something not mentioned..........that magnet is rubberish.... just like a refrigerator magnet...its also segmented and if its scratched it will set an ABS light and a code..
John, thank you for sharing your methods. I learned several things I didn't know before about car wheel bearings and how to deal with them.Those welder tricks are worth watching for all by themselves! Inspired! Was that bearing using balls? And pre-lubricated? All the ones I've ever seen here on American cars use rollers and need to be greased...but I haven't done anything like that in a few decades so I'm probably out of date. I hope you had a good day out shopping with Debs. Merry Christmas to you both! -- Mike
+BigMjolnir most manufactures went back to ball bearings. Toyota trucks are the only press in bearing I've seen that are tapered rollers. Ball bearings don't have the load capacity of rollers and that's why they wear out all the time now.
Mike, most if not all of the newer cars made in the last decade or two use lifetime sealed bearings like this. These press in ones can be a pain to press out sometimes. I have a special tool called an OTC hub Grappler just for doing this job. Some cars like my Jeep Grand Cherokee have bolt in hubs with the lifetime sealed bearing installed. When the bearing fails, you undo three bolts, and replace the whole assembly, which really isn't that expensive. These new sealed bearings can last a really long time and are superior to the old spindle and roller bearings IMHO. It also makes brake jobs allot easier since you don't have to clean and repack the bearings anymore. Chris
+shadowdog500 Thanks to you and supermodder2002 for the info. The last time I replaced a wheel bearing was in the 80s. That was tapered rollers and all you had to do to get them out was rock the wheel a bit, then pull the other one out with your fingers. Front wheels of course...rears were pressed and not something I was equipped to deal with in my driveway. -- Mike
with respect.... it is always a challenge to work with heavyly rusted automotive parts there is no written and tested procedures, it is always something left to the experience and tooling available
Excellent, You should write the text for Haynes Manuals, Unscrew the bolt, these Bastard things are always seized, If you want that out you gotta heat it! Simple to the point and far more instructive. I guess you have done a few hub bearings in yer time.
Never test the ASB encoder with a screw driver ! if the screw driver has any magnesium in it , it wrecks the encoder, only ever use a small cir clip or split pin keep anything magnetic away from the encoder. As I work for the company that invented the encoder and has 40 patterns on it and also look after the returns for the UK, I can assure you we see lots of bearings with damaged encoders due to being touched with a magnet of some sort screw drivers being the main one .
this video it real world, as if the guy that owns the car was sitting behind the camera waiting for John to get done. much like the way things happen in an auto shop.
fantastic very funny what you said it wasn't a good day maybe if you slowed down it would be a good day only kidding looking a great channel I've hit subscribe
Way too much brute force and way too little manufacturer recommended procedure is the reason why I don't let a mechanic near my car. I do like your other videos John, but not the car hack jobs. You automatically go into that "get her done as fast as possible, no matter what the damage" mode. I guess that's what's needed to make a living off fixing cars, but I prefer the care and attention to detail you put into your hobby projects.
+stefantrethan No damage was done to the bearing at all , This is the only way to remove a bearing on a old sized up hub Unless you have seen it done any better . The other option is a new hub , flange & bearing (worth more than the car)
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One of the most informative instructional videos I've ever watched, swear words & all! Absolutely no waffling or faffing, straight to the point & down to earth. I'm a mechanic &,I've learnt a few tips from this! In short an excellent production, full marks!
I just wasted the whole saturday, removing the front hubs. My father wants to help and is wondering how to get the bearing and flange out and the new in, wondering how it's kept together. I'm just where this video starts and I loved it too.
I have spent nearly fifty years in the motor trade and you clearly know exactly what you are doing. Well done and thank you.
Good video, John. The fellow who owns the Citroen is fortunate indeed to have your skill and experience available to him. The efficiency with which you get the job done is the result of the knowledge you have gained over your career. Those who think that the step-by-step procedure from a dealer's manual is the only way to correctly accomplish a job are living in a cartoon world.
i do very little vehicle work now but wish i had known the welding tricks 45 years ago. as for the troll, i wouldn't have bothered relying to him. it amazes me how those that don't know try to tell those that do that they are wrong.. loved the video. great explanation and demonstration as usual.
John I have been doing it that way for 35 years and never had any problems, they can be as you say trouble but if it works do it. good work for a Sunday morning too.
Cheers for making the vid. I heard of removing bearings with a welder but never seen it or tried it myself.
Did it today to remove motorcycle stem bearing outers. Took no time, one fell out and the other only took a little bit of persuasion with my thumb detector.
+jonno85uk The old methods always work
This is one of the better and correct vids on front wheel bearing i've seen on you tube. liked the welding tip. If only i had so much workshop gear at home . Well done great vid.
Top job just as it should be done. Never seen the welding trick only ever warmed them up myself I'll be using that next time. Most garages today are part fitters not mechanics,that would have been all new with some so called garages and a big price tag to match. Your the man John B. Atb Rob
Great video. Look forward to there being an English language version
A well done job for sure. No damage to the new bearing and no damage to the permanent parts. Thanks for sharing.
Well done John, no different over here in the states. I leave nicks on the flanges all the time, no harm done. I had not tried welding on the race, next time I get a stuck bastard I will try that. Like others have said, don't mind the" know it alls" they probably think you shouldn't use an impact wrench for fear of "over loosening that bolt" Keep up the good work!
This is why i love your videos, real world solutions to real world problems.
I loved the video. I have had my share of jobs which have fought me all the way, car, house, etc. Glad to see you managed to overcome "Murphy" on this project.
The key to ease the work of a mechanic is swear at it profusely, it works every time lol
Fun video. Doing these at home requires a bit of thought.
I had no welder so used a boggo torch to the hub itself and that helped my puller and bar pop the rusty bearing out.
Rust!! The mechanic's worst nightmare. There is no easy way, all the fancy tools in the world can't help you. The welder trick to remove the outer bearing always works, it also works very well on the inner race. Just a couple hits while its still warm from welding and it will fall right off. Keep smilin John.
+Darren Blattner It may be the mechanics worst nightmare, but as an autobody repair and painter in Hawaii, it was my cash cow! :)
The saying "Rust never sleeps" is very true. So, all of the rust repairs I did that the insurance company shops would turn down kept me well fed and warm at night. Aloha...Chuck
Knolltop Farms I hear you, I've done my time working on sanders and snowplows. Up here in Canada they don't spare the salt on the highways in winter. It even rots out aluminum fuel tanks (under the straps) on the big trucks. I have repaired over 200 of these tanks in 20 years of welding. Keep smiling. D.
+doubleboost Excellent fix. The shrinking weld was a stroke of genius to get the bearing out.
Thumbs up!
Thats a great swap, this guy works like he's got a wedding to go to.
Great job. Nice trick with welding the circlip and bearing race. I don't get what any of the criticism was about, there was absolutely no brute force and ignorance going on there, just solid resourcefulness and skill. Not to mention the usual high standard of video production. Well done.
This was invaluable!! Used all the tricks and knocked it all out
Very well done. You are a very good mechanic.....no surprise there.
You seemed rushed but I learned a lot. I like the weld on the outer race to shrink the bearing a bit. And weld on the snap ring too. Very well done.
+jim w It was a rush job I was going shopping with the wife lol
+jim w He missed Church as well, I heard the bells tolling for him!
So glad I watched this, life saver, glad I got the magnetic end the wright way.. learned something important. Big thanks
It is a very easy mistake to make
Nice work John. I learnt a couple of new techniques there.
Thanks
Aargh! the knockers.The thing about you John that I like is (and I've said this before) your great down to earth approach to mechanics & engineering. Basically, you create, repair or, fix & that takes skill. Whereas in this instance, a so called "proper job" by a fitter at the main agents would mean a complete exchange part (probably a repaired exchange unit anyway) and great hefty bill to boot. So carry on the good work my friend. Cheers John. PS; "bring back the grease nipples" LOL.
+John Vickers I had a apprentice that thought a "grease nipple" was a medical condition lol
+doubleboost Yes, it would, especially on your ball joint? LOL.
I always take the old bearing and split it (like a lock washer). it then makes a very good bearing press that will not jam into the hole.
+DSCKy Clever idea split with a slitting disc ?
I just use an abrasive cut-of wheel in an angle grinder. Most of the bearings I do (dirt bike, etc) are a lot smaller than the one you were dealing with. But I have done a couple pretty big ones when helping a buddy in his auto shop.
thats a good idea , i normally buff round them with a flap disc , may try slitting the next one now though.
i learned something new there john clever idea welding heat on that outer race
i used to warm the outside up
John, that was a bugger, but you won.
Great fix.
Merry Christmas to you, Debs and the family.
well I did fancy having a go at changing the front wheel bearings on our Citroen C1, don't think I'll attempt it now after seeing this!
Was doing something similar today, just it also involved some adjustable reamers to make the new bushings actually fit. Then to get the preload right when you have nothing aside from "not solidly bound" to "wobbles all over the place" and nothing in the middle. Bit of gentle persuasion with a wooden block though got the preload somewhat right, and the bearing seems to have survived, and the bushes are not as wobbly. Next time though I will have to put a sleeve on the shaft to handle the wear, or make a new one.
Nice trick with the weld set, I'll try that one, I'm not a mechanic I'm a plant fitter so that will be usefull for other types of bearings too.
Brilliant stuff. I needed some inspiration before attacking the jag front wheel bearings. You've got it down pat. Turn that fire alarm goes off though @15:30,don't need anything like fire to spoil your concentration :-)
I used to put the new new bearing in the freezer whilst removing the old one ,used to be real easy to refit
Good job, John. You know your business.
Changed a few bearings now
Fantastic,well done Geordie lad. Great vid.
Nice repair/instruction with tips&tricks
Nice work, John.
Saw a few tricks I can use.
Happy holidays to you and Debs.
Thanks,
John
Well for things not going right it didn't take long well done. Good trick about welding the bearing.
John, dispite the tearing about, it is so refreshing to see the liberal application of assembly lube. The whole thing could have been much worse, the vehicle gods were on your side. Cheers, Andy
Nice job John. Now the lad can get to work OK
+Gary C From another Gary C ... I agree that it was great of John to do Automotive Work on a weekend to get this lad to work today. In addition ... to get it done with the minimum parts replaced ... not replacing the whole suspension upright because the bearing was seized in there. Great Job! Thanks John!
Hi mate. I thought the welding of the ring was inspired. I have been fartassing around with those things as well driving me to drinking. Thanks for the idea. I would use it, but most likely I will have forgotten it when I need it. It's a good thing evolution did not depend on me, we would still be living in caves.
+Marcel Timmers "It's a good thing evolution did not depend on me, we would still be living in caves." ROFL!!! We must share a common ancestor mate!
Mine was Homo erectors ignorantus what was yours cousin?
+Marcel Timmers I believe a common ancestor we could have may be my great, great, great, GREAT grand-uncle old Homo heidelbergensis forgetalotus...LOL!
Sampai jumpa...Selamat Malam, beng...I miss Indonesia so much, I'd love to have my tools and two lathes on Sumbawa or a remote town where folks would think my basic gear would be a factory :D
Ya you see the Heidelberg s have at least invented the press, we invented relaxation.
I would live there as soon as I could. The culture, the food, the women,and the price of living. I'm from Holland originally, and if we would have tread a bit more lightly we might still have been there. Selamat Datang!!!!
+Marcel Timmers No kidding, you're Dutch too? Well, I'm only 1/4 Dutch, and not from the Netherlands, but my last name is an Americanized version of "Water Man" or "Man of the Water" at least that's what a Dutch couple in Bali told me. A funny thing was at first the husband said my name meant "Wet Man", LOL, but the wife made it a little nicer saying it meant "Man of the Water", so my ancestor's must've owned some lovely swamp back in Holland before they emigrated to New Amsterdam. Waaay back in the day, a little bit after Old Uncle Forgetalotus ;)
When we used to do wheel bearings we used to always
keep the old bearing and use it to smash out the other bearings..
Just the outside bushing of the bearing...We always used to do it
still attached to the car :D..
Well done John, well done!
Well done making a difficult job look easy.
Nice job John... I wonder how you price these done at home but for the firm jobs though? If you want a fun video, I'll try and make one next time I'm doing mk6 transit front wheel bearings :) I had to make a sledge hammer powered extraction tool!
+Hugh Frater Been there lol
brilliant video .nice idea welding that bit up.proppa job
Very well done! Thanks for posting this!
Good job take no notice of the wingers
Maybe the bearing comes off faster if you use ice spray. Steel expands if it gets warm und shrinks if it gets cold. A good Ice spray: Würth Rost Off Blue Ice
ATF for cutting/drilling steel.
WD40 for cutting/drilling aluminum.
Something not mentioned..........that magnet is rubberish.... just like a refrigerator magnet...its also segmented and if its scratched it will set an ABS light and a code..
John, thank you for sharing your methods. I learned several things I didn't know before about car wheel bearings and how to deal with them.Those welder tricks are worth watching for all by themselves! Inspired!
Was that bearing using balls? And pre-lubricated? All the ones I've ever seen here on American cars use rollers and need to be greased...but I haven't done anything like that in a few decades so I'm probably out of date.
I hope you had a good day out shopping with Debs. Merry Christmas to you both!
-- Mike
+BigMjolnir most manufactures went back to ball bearings. Toyota trucks are the only press in bearing I've seen that are tapered rollers. Ball bearings don't have the load capacity of rollers and that's why they wear out all the time now.
Mike, most if not all of the newer cars made in the last decade or two use lifetime sealed bearings like this. These press in ones can be a pain to press out sometimes. I have a special tool called an OTC hub Grappler just for doing this job. Some cars like my Jeep Grand Cherokee have bolt in hubs with the lifetime sealed bearing installed. When the bearing fails, you undo three bolts, and replace the whole assembly, which really isn't that expensive. These new sealed bearings can last a really long time and are superior to the old spindle and roller bearings IMHO. It also makes brake jobs allot easier since you don't have to clean and repack the bearings anymore. Chris
+shadowdog500 Thanks to you and supermodder2002 for the info. The last time I replaced a wheel bearing was in the 80s. That was tapered rollers and all you had to do to get them out was rock the wheel a bit, then pull the other one out with your fingers. Front wheels of course...rears were pressed and not something I was equipped to deal with in my driveway.
-- Mike
with respect....
it is always a challenge to work with heavyly rusted automotive parts
there is no written and tested procedures, it is always something left to the experience and tooling available
very good I remember doing them have come across hair line cracked hub
Sweet tips, doubleboost in full swing!
Great video John, I thought bad jobs like that only happened to me.
Mine failed not on loose bearing gotta get it fixed tomorrow .thanks
Nice job John. I liked hearing the church bells at the end (nice touch) LOL
you done well for the lad
Am I the only one that flinched at 5:25 watching that hammer swing straight towards me?!
Well done John A nice job, Its my bet the winger has never worked on any vehicles other wise he would not talk so much crap.
Good way to get some heat in the bearing
Excellent, You should write the text for Haynes Manuals, Unscrew the bolt, these Bastard things are always seized, If you want that out you gotta heat it! Simple to the point and far more instructive.
I guess you have done a few hub bearings in yer time.
This Video is quite amusing! Fair Play Though!
I would have drifted the sensor out from bearing side... buy hey ho... as u said, miracle it even moved...
Are you from the north east?
Is there a translation for this
Reminds me of doing the wheel bearings on my old saxo, not the best design in the world lol
Never test the ASB encoder with a screw driver ! if the screw driver has any magnesium in it , it wrecks the encoder, only ever use a small cir clip or split pin keep anything magnetic away from the encoder. As I work for the company that invented the encoder and has 40 patterns on it and also look after the returns for the UK, I can assure you we see lots of bearings with damaged encoders due to being touched with a magnet of some sort screw drivers being the main one .
Excellent
this video it real world, as if the guy that owns the car was sitting behind the camera waiting for John to get done. much like the way things happen in an auto shop.
Well done John, in spite of the nay sayers! Job done, now off to church?? No, sorry forgot, take Debs shopping! Merry Christmas to you both!
thanks for the video .....
You don't often get to see a Geordie bull in a china shop.
think next time I do something like that, I'll dope the snap ring with never seize, might work... might not.
the new bearing should be placed in the freezer before installation:)
If you have a freezer totally unnecessary
I pooed mine out with a 6 ton press then I brought new hub I pressed it out from behind took 30 mins to d0
Its 11.30 St Marys church bell
fantastic very funny what you said it wasn't a good day maybe if you slowed down it would be a good day only kidding looking a great channel I've hit subscribe
Right...to hell with that, I’ll take mine down the garage!
What a cowboy
would you like to elaborate on your comment regards john
a little brewers yeast on that would have helped
put the bearing in your freezer before pressing it in.
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO (( DEBS )) ---------- OH & YOU TOO !! :-)
Need to have mine done but the prices I've been had r fuckin stupid
i was hoping for some interesting language !!
1:53 Bollocks! :)
I just buy new carrier with everthing already on ,simple one off new one on .
It is all down to cost
Way too much brute force and way too little manufacturer recommended procedure is the reason why I don't let a mechanic near my car.
I do like your other videos John, but not the car hack jobs. You automatically go into that "get her done as fast as possible, no matter what the damage" mode. I guess that's what's needed to make a living off fixing cars, but I prefer the care and attention to detail you put into your hobby projects.
+stefantrethan No damage was done to the bearing at all , This is the only way to remove a bearing on a old sized up hub Unless you have seen it done any better . The other option is a new hub , flange & bearing (worth more than the car)
+stefantrethan What is the manufacturers recommended procedure for a 16 year old citroen saxo wheel bearing
+doubleboost agreed John, the only thing I wouldn't do myself cuz I dont have a lathe is machine the old bearing. good Sunday morning job!
+Stewart scallionboy Thompson It can be done on a bench grinder all you need is a few thou removing to give it clearance in the hub
+doubleboost I tend to get 3/4 or 1" sockets out to see which is the best size but I'll remember the grinder next time for sure 😊
hard rush all the time, garbage on the floor etc.....
Welcome to the real world
Looks like this is going to be annoying.