What's wrong with Southeastern's Networkers? - Southeastern Train Reviews Part 1
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ต.ค. 2024
- It took a while to upload this but finally it's up, I had to grab some new footage to replace the accidentally deleted clips, and plus fixed a mistake from the old video.
This video is not at all made to change people's opinions on the Class 465 and 466s, I'm just pointing out the problems with these trains. I still like travelling on the Networkers, mainly the 465/9s that don't creak like there's no tomorrow.
I'm just not a fan of the condition these trains are in, and unfortunately a refurbishment is not in sight for these trains as they will be replaced by 2027
what's wrong with the class 376?
My video:
• How BAD are the class ...
Music used in order:
Loophole Fragment - Silent Partner
Hidden Agenda - Kevin MacLeod
Investigations - Kevin MacLeod
Easy Lemon - Kevin MacLeod
The networker will never grow old as long as its in our hearts and memory
I'm in a very similar position as you, I grew up with them, although I was probably born later than you since I was born in 2007, these are by far my favourite trains and it does sadden me a bit to see them in such a state, but they still function as good trains, especially considering their age. I just wish they would get a full refurb instead of a replacement, but that is just unrealistic considering they are old and it would probably be more beneficial to get new trains
I personally dont think they are bad" just interior is shit and behind on updates for some units . It seems that the /9s have been the ones getting some mild adjustments.
The met cam seats seem alot more stable than BRELs wich seem to fall apart
I think optic wise, they are a bit tired internally. And the creaking may be a slight issue. A refirbishment programme. And i mean one directed at those issues could fix that.
If 455s , PEPs etc could last this long despite being 100yrs old (not really) then i believe networkers can have much better feats. But southeastern seem to neglect their trains with extensive refirbishments. 376s are a pure example
Yeah I agree, they still are amazing trains, I really do hope they last a bit longer, especially as they only have interior issues with seating and cleanliness, and yeah creaking. But to be fair trains last a long time, they are much more reliable than say a car, which would not last nearly as long, I mean look at the Class 43s
@JaguarProJoe indeed its about the dedicated and specific type of refirb, overhauling networkwr systems and internals would likely make them cheaper to maintain . Newer parts being used, efficient traction system means less money to keep them going. Etc. Better bogies. Let's say they replaced the trailer bogies for inner framed ones. It would make them cheaper because the parts are more modern and standard
Awesome buses and trains I also like these also I saw the trainbow at Stratford international keep your videod up
The networkers remind me of the sound of my local S Bahn in Germany....love this sound
Awesome buses and trains I also like these also I saw 395 012
Southeastern should keep the 465s and 466s as they are perfectly reliable trains
Thing is, Southeastern will have a few issues, there is less City Beam 707s then 465s and they'll have a stock shortage so only idea I could imagine to fix this is order new trains. Most of the bad Class 465/9s have gone up to Worksop with some bad 466s, 465918 and 465/916 or 3.7 more 465/9 inc 7 more 466s are due to go to storage leading to only being a few /9s and few 466s.
And about the 465 farewell tour, yes it looks like there will be one due to 465001, 465008 and 465047 getting a NSE Logo, not sure if it counts for the 465189 as that has the original logo.
So I guess the formations of the farewell tours would be
465001 - 465008 with 465047 or 045.
465001 - 465008 with 466001 (yes some 466s will be staying not sure if the 466s will be apart two but this is a prediction)
465001 - 465047 as a 8 coach. is the formations to be if there was a farewell tour. but yes it does look like it
The Class 376s are going through a small refurb somewhere on the train not sure if it is on the outside or inside according to a friendly SE staff member.
but yes the good /9s look like they'll be staying. A bit of a mystery at Doncaster as there is 5 lots of 465s which look like 465/2s so im going to guess that they replace the broken damaged /0/1 subclasses with few 465/2s till they are withdrawn 2027-2028.
466017 might be in the next 465/9/466 drag as I recorded that departing Sevenoaks station and the motor on that was stuttering all over the place a less SOUTHEASTERN Fix that.
But yes sad to see the good sounding units go, only a few years left...
I think a networker farewell tour should consist of:
465001 - The first 465 built
465901 - The first met cam 465 built (as 465201)
And 466001 - the first 466 built
If talking preservation, I think it should be 465001 at York (if they have space for at least one driving carriage) as it was built in York.
And maybe another unit at the East Kent Railway
Edit from 4 days after posting the reply:
466001 won't be used in a farewell tour because that's now gone
My eyes on getting preserved is 465001, 466001 and 465901 or 201. @@awesometrainsandbuses
24 465/9s and 29 466s are what we will be left with after the drags have finished
i remember when the 465 & 466 first arrived
and their sister 365... should NEVER of scrapped the 365 when GN had finished with them should of brought them home to kent or Scotrail should of kept them to replace & strenghen services
We Need To Urgently Get New Rolling Stock On Southeastern To Replace The Class 376 Maybe Some Stadler Flirts Would Be Nice We Can Get The Money To Buy Those Train's By Pulling Funding From Nato 👍
I remember these as new when they started replacing the suburban slam door stock
Id hate if aventras replace them, those unit's have no character at all.
Much preffer CAF or Stadler or desiro cities..
If SE choose aventras to replace the Networkers then SE will want to start refurbishing the Networkers, not a single aventra has been delivered on time. The case with the 701s is so bad that they are considered one of Britain's worst trains and they haven't even opened 1 door to the public yet... wth bombardier
@awesometrainsandbuses694 What I've realised with CAF is that they can customise train, and regularly do for other countries. They select which company makes the traction motors ,(despite having their own system) they have their own inverter factory etc. They can literally frankenstine a train. They do it all over Europe. They got mitsubishi to make motors for a Dutch civity train in recent years. if southeastern wanted to, they could request some nice traction systems from CAF as well as some sort of modified designs to make them look like networkers. Just know if CAF deliver the units. We will be most likely promised some got tier traction sounds. Aventra was an attempt at the uk to try and silence motors all together. It's boring. Hitachi/mitsubishi/TSA (Austrian motor supplier) alstom Europe etc have some nice trains with nice motor sounds. Hopefully we get a range of those types of units.
Yeah we know alstom uk has had major issues continuing the bombadier branch of units. I don't know If desiro city are even on the market anymore but who knows ..seimens make some silent traims though, not my fav. But desiro cities are alright.
@awesometrainsandbuses694 by the way, CAF have a factory in Wales now.
So future builds can be present here in the UK
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAF_Newport and closer to home with regards to some of the parts and thus may make it easier to select as a manufacturer. Alstom derby is struggling atm apparently with timings and have no trains booked to make. Good because I don't want aventras taking over the networkers.
Yes, if something has to replace the Networkers it needs to be good, otherwise commuters who travel on 465s on a daily basis and despise traveling on them, will still be complaining after the Networkers have been withdrawn. Aventras are terrible, though 720s are ok. Still prefer 317s and 321s to them.
@awesometrainsandbuses694 I'm not convinced the public despise travelling on the 465s. I just don't believe it. I think they are old but most don't care that much./9s are pretty clean inside. But yeah they are aged a bit. 720s are ugly and their motors are un interesting. So are desiros. Desiros sound better than 720s. 331s sound the best. And so do 745s. Let's hope we get a CAF first hand.
Southeastern have just announced that they're taking bids for replacement of the 465s
I know
I think a reason why they cant be refurbished is because southeasterm dont have enough units to cover for them when they get refurbished, i might be wrong but that's what i think
Not the issue, all the 465/2s, some 465/9s and some 466s are currently in storage meaning there are spare units available if they were ever planning to do a refurb
I think they might need better wheelsets
Next class 465 drag is tomorrow, I hope I can see it.
The inbound class 37 has arrived at Wembley H.S so unless there is a problem with the 37 the drag will run
I have no college so I can see it, what units are on it?
I know that 37 884 will be the loco and 465 933 + 466 001 will be dragged.
the gec built notworks often made odd sounds.
prefer those build at York with their air pressure system and before the had hitachi traction systems installed.
Well true
No gangways
Limited to 3RD rail
Limited to 75mph
However they were a product of NSE and a time where a new train wasnt really in the cards outside of its regen brake innovation
And , well , they can and sometimes do run further than the expanded toilethouses were built
there were so many times where i went to ashford and thought have seen u last year
Can I ask what does Met cam mean?
Met Cam is short for Metro Cammell, they built the 465/2s and 466s (technically the 465/9s too but they used to be 465/2s)
@@awesometrainsandbuses oh ok ty
The reason why the metcams creak isn't age, it's poor design. Why don't BRELS of the same age creak as much???
Well the brels also creek, just enough for people to not notice mostly
@@ashleyjiscool They don't creak nearly as much though so it is mostly a met cam thing
@@Solomon_C yeah
God, just looking back at the footage in this video and 465905 was truly one of the worst Networkers. No wonder it was the first to go! (I think)
@@Solomon_C I saw 465925 this evening, it still creaks
@@awesometrainsandbuses ? I was talking about 465905 which is stored but yes I already knew 465925 was a creaky unit, plus half the motors were disabled too last time I went on it
Wait you remember catching them in the late 2000s? I'm 18 and I don't remember so you must be older than I thought!
The 465/9 i was on 465907 wasnt creaking
465907 is one of the good ones
I think all 465/9s that end with 7 are all good ones, though I haven't been on any of them recently
@@awesometrainsandbuses That's a very strange statement to make but the bad ones I have are:
465903
465905 (now stored)
465915
465918 (now stored)
465919 - still has regen I think
465920 (now stored)
465921 (now stored)
465922 (a little bit)
465923 - this one was absolutely dire last time I went on it
465925
465932 - not terrible but mediocre, it groans a bit at speed.
465934 - another dire unit.
465904, 465911, and 465930 used to be bad but have since been fixed. As you can see most of the units on my bad list have been stored, and 3 were fixed. Plus, me and 465923/934 haven't met in a few months. They may be fixed now.
Let me know if you meet either 465923 or 465934. They were 2 of the worst ones, the only other one being 465905 (but it's stored now ofc)
@@awesometrainsandbuses 465907 and 917 are good. I really don't know about 927 but the front end looked very dirty last time I saw it
But that can be cleaned, I don't remember it creaking last time I went on it so it might be a good one
Atleast you didn't say it was water in the bodywork this time lol
I've never seen water in the body work. Other than the 466s with water leaking into the paint . But 466s aren't really cared for. They still have old toilets.
@bb-3653 no I'm joking about when he last made this video and he said it was due to:
"Water in the bodywork from storms during the overseas travel"
Despite them being built in York and Washwood Heath
@@thattimelord I read some BS somewhere online, that's where it came from
worst conditions I saw a 466 in was when it was departing Sevenoaks and the motor was stuttering all over the place almost bringing the service to a halt near Sevenoaks Gusset Siding. @@bb-3653
I mean I think it’s all a result of having to commute through south london tbh lmao
Nothings wrong with them I've bene on them many times nothings wrong with them apart from when there are lots of people
I 100% agree with you
They are the worse trains to drive
U have no taste in trains 465 networkers by far one of the best trains to drive dunno what ur on
Are you a driver for Southeastern?
Yes I am just started the job actually not to long ago
@@DonutDreamlandI prefer driving the 375s but that’s just my preference