I was thinking exactly that actually, Scarlett's subtle facial expressions when she was lying to Joan were very realistic. You could tell she was trying to sound convincing.
It really is true that in such a limited role, the subtle facial expressions and voice changes are all that can be presented, if they wanted to showcase their acting chops.
I love that the woman behind Scarlett immediately turns around and walks back up the stairs when Joan fires Scarlett. Don't want to be around Joan when she is firing people!
Those be some good survival instincts! Whatever she was coming down the stairs for can wait a few minutes. No need to be caught in any unnecessary crossfire
Yeah, and when Harry Crane un-fired his own secretary and took her side, Joan looked like a fish out of water. That's right.....you better be careful when you try to fire someone else's people....
@@saeedvazirian He's not. Joan is in charge of the personnel, hiring and the arrangement of the secretaries. She has every right to fire an employee committing blatant time fraud.
It would not have matter what she said. She was going to be fired. These things rarely happen over one event. In that economy of the 1960s the business would have struggled to find another skilled secretary. Even people working as cashiers were hard to find hence why they were paid good wages. That's what a low tax, low regulations economy looks like.
@scottbaino As much as you want to argue against all the quarantine measures put into place, it was necessary. This with a president that said corona was a hoax and now has it! lol
@@bighands69 The 50's, 60's and 70's were a period with high taxes and a lot of regulation. The effects of FDR's New Deal programs were in full swing and the government was investing heavily in research and industry. The low tax and low regulation period started with measures taken by the Nixon administration in the early 70's and those effects really started to set in by the Ford presidency in the late 70's. The Reagan presidency really cemented and expanded tax cuts and curtailed government regulation and spending. So what you said is just plain wrong.
2nd time in the show Joan fires someone only to be overturned by another (male) employee. First time is when Joan fires Jane. Jane goes and cries to Roger and voila, she's got her job back. Seriously undermining to Joan. It's incredible writing.
Incredibly unprofessional show of power. Speaks to her deep sense of insecurity. The show is great at communicating these subtleties, should make it into a PSA :-)
@@rafaeldlaIt's unprofessional to fire someone who says they're at work but aren't? Seems like time theft to me lol. When it comes to Jane thats more of a grey area, and I don't think Joan handled that whole situation well. But with Scarlet, she did nothing wrong by firing her.
Yeah, and when Harry Crane un-fired his own secretary and took her side, Joan looked like a fish out of water. That's right.....you better be careful when you try to fire someone else's people....
@@colderbeer to be fair Joan DID have authority to fire her as she was in charge of the secretary pool- however she did need to consult Harry as Scarlett was his personal secretary. If she had just been an office assistant she could have fired her easily.
Joan was always Straight A Gangsta! She didn't play. I'm sure she saw Girls doing what Scarlett did when she started out. I'm sorry I wouldn't have said it to her in front of anyone else. I would have taken her into a Private Office and Fired her.
Isn't it amazing how Givenchy has been synonomous in Pop Culture. The "House" designed Jackie Kennedy's Dress for the Ball in 1961 and then it designed Megan Markle's Wedding Gown.
@@bighands69 people started buying Japanese because they were the leaders in the tech industry for years after the war settled. Then China started selling i think because they could do certain products quickly and for a low price (kinda like Walmart's effects on smaller businesses).
If I were Joan I would have said "I Don't Care If You Got Her A Penthouse Apartment, You Lied About Your Time, You're Not Getting Paid For Work You Didn't Do!" Then she goes blubbering to Harry Crane who "Rehires Her". He only did it to prove to Joan he has some "Status".
You're wrong. That was HIS secretary, not Joan's and Harry showed that slut up in front of everyone by telling her , "No, I don't think I'm gonna let you fire my secretary today."
I genuinely feel that Scarlett asked dawn to do it bc she’s black. I think she knew dawn would get in trouble to but probably thought she would get fired instead of her
@@jshepard152 Dawn shouldn't have gotten involved. She had it hard enough being the First Colored Lady on The Floor who wasn't a Coffee Girl, or even a Custodial Engineer. She knew that comebacks and mistakes weren't for her.
Have you even seen the show, she did the wrong thing. The way Scarlett signaled to Dawn not to tell Joan the truth obviously means that she was in on it. Also Scarlett was the one who got fired not Dawn so this wasn't about race it was about being professional. Not everything is racist
I loved that actress who played Scarlett ever since those long ago Las Vegas commercials. She's just so attractive to me and sharp. And I love that dress and those boots.
What was her offense exactly? From my understanding she revealed to Joan that she wasn’t at her desk because she went out to Givenchy to get a birthday present for a coworker... and then from there I don’t know what else she did wrong? Joan then accuses her of never coming back and that Dawn punched her timecard, but Scarletr says she was with Dawn “all over the place”...?
Another person who was a "Pain" was Donna on the UK Version of The Office. She always had a nasty look on her face, she didn't do anything but when the mess hit the fan she had to know especially when Tim Canterbury (Sales Clerk) got in trouble for putting something politically incorrect on The Computer (Early Internet). He didn't even do it but he got a wailing on.
If it had been today, Scarlett would have been "shafted". She would have had a Badge that can show when you come in and out of the Office. By today's standards she may have had to go through a Criminal Check. Who do you think was more nastier Scarlett or Jane.
Skilled workers were really hard to find in the 1950s and 1960s. Businesses really went out of their way to try and keep those workers. A secretary like that could easily find a new job the next day in that era. Back when there was no minimum wage and a free economy.
I guess, but I think of all the jobs I've had in my life (and I've had a lot lol), I would get fired if I left and cheated on the time sheet. Harry might be in love with her, she's still a dishonest and unreliable employee :/
Joan seems to be the only one who deems it necessary to show her "power" by choosing high traffic, high visibility places for firing (humiliating) people in this show. Clearly both sexes do this in real business environments women do this far more often. Not sure about the era portrayed in mad men but nowadays such tactics communicate insecurity, imposter syndrome, low self esteem etc etc lol.
Joan was right, but today there might have been chances with a little warning or suspension. Nonetheless, it is deception in the eyes of the company and that can be grounds for termination
this is kinda hypocrite level, a lot of employees were slacking on the job specifically the men who got tipsy and the accountants also didn't have much to do most of the time. on top of that nothing really happened BUT i do agree that scarlett needed some sort of punishment maybe take like say 5 days worth of pay as a cut to her salary. u need to enforce a punishment that's strong enough to make sure it never happens again and also deter others from trying stuff like that but also not as strong as to make it look u r running a sweat shop over there
@@bearcat648 She really is. ..The way she treated Peggy? Wtf! !! And she can't fire the secretary of someone else without even checking out, good thing Harry, of all people, put her in her place! !!
@@jenlindley7780 I have no understanding why people got so attached to her character. She seemed to revel in her control of the girls, and she didn't think of the big picture, as you note. The ability of good employees to occasionally play games with time cards should be an unspoken reward. Joan reminded me of those annoying teacher control freaks who made a big deal out of hall passes. The only time I felt some sympathy for Joan is when she was passed over to work for Harry on TV, where she probably would have done great, but she didn't request it, and speaking up for yourself is part of corporate culture. You have to let it be known clearly that you really want something and you have the skills to do it well, which Peggy understood, just as she understood that it takes some courage and confidence to do.
@@bearcat648 People likes her cause she was gorgeous, smart, strong and sassy. I like Joan too, but I'm not blind to her flaws; sometimes she is no different from a petty highschool mean girl. And she said things about Peggy being fat after she lost the weight and all, I was like; but Joan isn't thinner than Peggy! What is she talking about? lol
I think it's one of the things that made the show so special. I wouldn't label Peggy or Joan as feminists. They're both very self serving. If you rewarch the show, Joan really has that queen-bee, petty highschool popular girl attitude.
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1:22 That other woman hears the word "fired" and peaces out lol
Nice catch
Omg she wanted NOTHING to do
Reminds me of Homelander confronting A-train in the hallway. People around them fucks off
The secretaries were all underrated actresses.
They all did a lot with basically the same sort of dialogue every episode.
I was thinking exactly that actually, Scarlett's subtle facial expressions when she was lying to Joan were very realistic. You could tell she was trying to sound convincing.
It really is true that in such a limited role, the subtle facial expressions and voice changes are all that can be presented, if they wanted to showcase their acting chops.
You are so right on about that!
They r so brave
for me the most brilliant 'small role' in mad men was Sal's wife. she knocked it out the park.
“Just go before you embarrass yourself” *runs up stairs crying loudly*
In white boots at that
👢👢👢👢👢👢👢
When I forget Dawn was a character and keep thinking Joan means Don.
Same
And she was his secretary for awhile too! I kept expecting someone to make a little joke about reaching Don through Dawn.
And she was his secretary for awhile too! I kept expecting someone to make a little joke about reaching Don through Dawn.
every starbucks employee ever
I love that the woman behind Scarlett immediately turns around and walks back up the stairs when Joan fires Scarlett. Don't want to be around Joan when she is firing people!
She didn't want to get caught in an area attack
Those be some good survival instincts! Whatever she was coming down the stairs for can wait a few minutes. No need to be caught in any unnecessary crossfire
'just go before you really embarrass yourself'
*clomps up the stairs crying*
Yeah, and when Harry Crane un-fired his own secretary and took her side, Joan looked like a fish out of water. That's right.....you better be careful when you try to fire someone else's people....
@nosiefish 😂😂😂😭
@nosiefish he's right
@@saeedvazirian He's not. Joan is in charge of the personnel, hiring and the arrangement of the secretaries. She has every right to fire an employee committing blatant time fraud.
If that situation ever comes up just say
"I made a mistake i should have asked for coverage"
It would not have matter what she said. She was going to be fired. These things rarely happen over one event. In that economy of the 1960s the business would have struggled to find another skilled secretary.
Even people working as cashiers were hard to find hence why they were paid good wages. That's what a low tax, low regulations economy looks like.
@scottbaino As much as you want to argue against all the quarantine measures put into place, it was necessary. This with a president that said corona was a hoax and now has it! lol
@@bighands69 The 50's, 60's and 70's were a period with high taxes and a lot of regulation. The effects of FDR's New Deal programs were in full swing and the government was investing heavily in research and industry. The low tax and low regulation period started with measures taken by the Nixon administration in the early 70's and those effects really started to set in by the Ford presidency in the late 70's. The Reagan presidency really cemented and expanded tax cuts and curtailed government regulation and spending. So what you said is just plain wrong.
@@aakksshhaayy you sound like a liberal millennial. Stop embarrassing yourself Karen
s1: "it wasn't a lie it was ineptitude with insufficient cover"
I'm in love with the way she says "Scarlet you're fired!"
Its a perfect pissed off teacher vibe
Very insecure person vibe lol
2nd time in the show Joan fires someone only to be overturned by another (male) employee. First time is when Joan fires Jane. Jane goes and cries to Roger and voila, she's got her job back. Seriously undermining to Joan. It's incredible writing.
At least Jane was calm about it.
I feel like Joan did a LOT of successful firing over the years.
Hell if I was harry I wouldn't have let her fire scarlette either, she's fine as fuck
Incredibly unprofessional show of power. Speaks to her deep sense of insecurity. The show is great at communicating these subtleties, should make it into a PSA :-)
@@rafaeldlaIt's unprofessional to fire someone who says they're at work but aren't? Seems like time theft to me lol.
When it comes to Jane thats more of a grey area, and I don't think Joan handled that whole situation well. But with Scarlet, she did nothing wrong by firing her.
Man! Joan knows how to handle the hens! Love this woman!
Yeah, and when Harry Crane un-fired his own secretary and took her side, Joan looked like a fish out of water. That's right.....you better be careful when you try to fire someone else's people....
@@colderbeer to be fair Joan DID have authority to fire her as she was in charge of the secretary pool- however she did need to consult Harry as Scarlett was his personal secretary. If she had just been an office assistant she could have fired her easily.
Joan was always Straight A Gangsta! She didn't play. I'm sure she saw Girls doing what Scarlett did when she started out. I'm sorry I wouldn't have said it to her in front of anyone else. I would have taken her into a Private Office and Fired her.
@@colderbeer Joan could fire Crane, I think. Wasn't she a partner already at this point in time?
@@ardenaudreyarji She only had 5% and no one else would have supported firing Harry who is the head of a department and has no possible replacement.
Isn't it amazing how Givenchy has been synonomous in Pop Culture. The "House" designed Jackie Kennedy's Dress for the Ball in 1961 and then it designed Megan Markle's Wedding Gown.
They also designed Audrey Hepburns famous little black dress in Breakfast at Tiffany's.
Back in that era quality was rewarded. People only bought foreign goods that were worth it. They never purchased foreign cheap junk.
@@bighands69 people started buying Japanese because they were the leaders in the tech industry for years after the war settled. Then China started selling i think because they could do certain products quickly and for a low price (kinda like Walmart's effects on smaller businesses).
It's synonomouse.
Well, you learn something new everyday. I thought it was Yves St. Laurent during his tenure in The House of Coco Chanel.
Scarlett should have "asked" Harry would it be okay and then make up the lost hours through the week.
Man I missed this part of WandaVision
Daaaamn. That woman is a goddamn tiger .
0:37 that posture means "death"
Scarlett was so fine, had a short crush on her
Yea but her punch out game was weak
If I were Joan I would have said "I Don't Care If You Got Her A Penthouse Apartment, You Lied About Your Time, You're Not Getting Paid For Work You Didn't Do!" Then she goes blubbering to Harry Crane who "Rehires Her". He only did it to prove to Joan he has some "Status".
You're wrong. That was HIS secretary, not Joan's and Harry showed that slut up in front of everyone by telling her , "No, I don't think I'm gonna let you fire my secretary today."
@@colderbeer Oh My Bad! Yet wasn't Joan responsible for The Secretaries.
I genuinely feel that Scarlett asked dawn to do it bc she’s black. I think she knew dawn would get in trouble to but probably thought she would get fired instead of her
Complete assumption.
No. They clearly thought no one would know.
@@jshepard152 Dawn shouldn't have gotten involved. She had it hard enough being the First Colored Lady on The Floor who wasn't a Coffee Girl, or even a Custodial Engineer. She knew that comebacks and mistakes weren't for her.
i adore joan.
i do and i don't. she certainly has a bit of the bully in her
@addyreports how? she has about 5 lines in the show. definitely trying too hard to be contrarian
@@ronoccc yup..takes her insecurity out on others far too often
Holy shit is that Monica Rambeau?? This show is a gem.
Dawn was actually played by Teyonah Parris.
@@melroze bro come on.
Totally didn’t recognize her at first, but totally. The eyes give it away.
She tried to get my girl DAWN caught up. Black folx taking the heat for nothing 🤦🏾♂️
Most of the people take the heat for nothing. Deal with it
Wtf w/ “black folk”? 🙄
Have you even seen the show, she did the wrong thing. The way Scarlett signaled to Dawn not to tell Joan the truth obviously means that she was in on it. Also Scarlett was the one who got fired not Dawn so this wasn't about race it was about being professional. Not everything is racist
^^ dont you love it when white ppl gaslight black ppl into thinking things arent racist
Wtf is a black folx?
I loved that actress who played Scarlett ever since those long ago Las Vegas commercials. She's just so attractive to me and sharp. And I love that dress and those boots.
Scarlett looks goooooddd in this show
She looked exquisite in this episode
Every office needs a Joan
Don't get into business if you're a bad liar!
Dawn is so beautiful. Just a side character but still made an impression
i like how janes like..nooo
So what happened to Dawn, who lied and punched Scarlet’s timecard, knowing that she’d blown off the afternoon?
She was protected by both Don and the fact that she was black and they recently survived some bad press in that they didn't hire any blacks.
@@user-ig1ye8ug4h Man, lucky her, being a black woman in the 60s
@@JohnSmith-uc9qwyou’re an idiot! 🙄
Joan is smart enough to know Dawn is being used as a scapegoat since she is black.
What was her offense exactly? From my understanding she revealed to Joan that she wasn’t at her desk because she went out to Givenchy to get a birthday present for a coworker... and then from there I don’t know what else she did wrong? Joan then accuses her of never coming back and that Dawn punched her timecard, but Scarletr says she was with Dawn “all over the place”...?
@Becca Cadalzo Thanks!
Its time fraud. You are getting paid even if youre not at work.
Diane Berg thank you. And thanks to everyone else for your answers!
@Becca Cadalzo so what, lol, I bet Joan did this as well in her earlier years. If everyone was fired for doing that, there'd be 2 employees.
If Scarlett had just been honest she had a chance of keeping her job, lying like that sunk it.
Another person who was a "Pain" was Donna on the UK Version of The Office. She always had a nasty look on her face, she didn't do anything but when the mess hit the fan she had to know especially when Tim Canterbury (Sales Clerk) got in trouble for putting something politically incorrect on The Computer (Early Internet). He didn't even do it but he got a wailing on.
She looks like Christina from Married At First Sight New Orleans
Yes!
Joanie is stone-cold.
If it had been today, Scarlett would have been "shafted". She would have had a Badge that can show when you come in and out of the Office. By today's standards she may have had to go through a Criminal Check. Who do you think was more nastier Scarlett or Jane.
HR would have gotten involved since NY isn't an At-Will state. I don't think Joan could have fired her on the spot like that.
later in the episode scarlett gets rehired by burt cooper
No, she was rehired by that creep Harry Crane
Skilled workers were really hard to find in the 1950s and 1960s. Businesses really went out of their way to try and keep those workers.
A secretary like that could easily find a new job the next day in that era. Back when there was no minimum wage and a free economy.
@@bighands69 A secretary that lies about the hours she worked is a skilled worker? Sure lol. Thank god there's a minimum wage now.
@@ykMMD a minimum wage has some merit, but not if it doesn't change along with the economic shifts over time.
@@ykMMD there was none back then?
Scarlett can come work for me. Anytime.
Joan was too harsh here. Harry definitely deserved to have a say as Scarlett was his secretary.
I guess, but I think of all the jobs I've had in my life (and I've had a lot lol), I would get fired if I left and cheated on the time sheet. Harry might be in love with her, she's still a dishonest and unreliable employee :/
I believe that's called time theft to fake hours. It's grounds for instant termination.
Oh god I love her
I’d want my desk to be under those stairs!
Spoiler alert: she didn't get fired
Ya bustin my balls here, Richie
Hey Richie, you still buried upon that hill, overlooking that little river, with pinecones all around?
Harry: hey..thought I told you to back off Scarlett?
Joan: I did...then i put it in drive 🚗
I'd never get any work done with a Joan walking around the office.
Joan seems to be the only one who deems it necessary to show her "power" by choosing high traffic, high visibility places for firing (humiliating) people in this show. Clearly both sexes do this in real business environments women do this far more often. Not sure about the era portrayed in mad men but nowadays such tactics communicate insecurity, imposter syndrome, low self esteem etc etc lol.
I think she was angry being lied to, if she came clean it wouldn't have been so harsh
Did you think that Joan did the right thing by firing Scarlet? Or should Joan have given Scarlet another chance?
Joan was right
@@michaelnivens6267 let me get this right. Scarlet disappeared in the afternoon to go shopping, and she asked Dawn to cover for her?
@@LongAwaitedBaby rewatch and listen
Joan was right, but today there might have been chances with a little warning or suspension. Nonetheless, it is deception in the eyes of the company and that can be grounds for termination
@@ibvghgfvbnbc It's theft of services.
So many creeps in the comments 🤮 anyways love dawn and Joan
Yeah like you
Joan could be a real jerk
Caught lackin
What did Scarlett do wrong ?
She left work early but got someone to clock her out late to pretend she was at work. Then she continued to lie about it to Joan.
Got paid for hours she didn't work, it's called time theft.
@@caseyaulbach7693 Right On! That could be very problematic especially when it comes to Accounting for Tax Season.
She stole about $1. Now compare that to people like Don...
@@catinheels88 Isnt it common if you have a system like that in place
Is it possible to have a rack that big? I mean, doesn't that defy some law?
Strangely enough I don’t think so
Only Joan Holloway.
I'm actually one bra size bigger than joan and hell of a lot shorter so its possible but a hassle most of the time
I swear they get bigger with every re-watch. Not that I'm complaining. I just keep expecting her to randomly topple over one of these days.
They make me want to defy the law
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...Joan.
this is kinda hypocrite level, a lot of employees were slacking on the job specifically the men who got tipsy and the accountants also didn't have much to do most of the time. on top of that nothing really happened BUT i do agree that scarlett needed some sort of punishment maybe take like say 5 days worth of pay as a cut to her salary. u need to enforce a punishment that's strong enough to make sure it never happens again and also deter others from trying stuff like that but also not as strong as to make it look u r running a sweat shop over there
...and that's why you don't have lady-bosses, they fire the women that are fucking around.
Before Monica Rambeau was a SWORD agent lol
lol
What did she do?
She left early and had someone else punch her time card. So, she got paid for hours she didn't work.
@@ykMMD ohhh I see....thank you for explaining it.
never liked Joan
... did you not see those tits?
She always struck me as having a petty personality.
@@bearcat648 She really is. ..The way she treated Peggy? Wtf! !! And she can't fire the secretary of someone else without even checking out, good thing Harry, of all people, put her in her place! !!
@@jenlindley7780 I have no understanding why people got so attached to her character. She seemed to revel in her control of the girls, and she didn't think of the big picture, as you note. The ability of good employees to occasionally play games with time cards should be an unspoken reward. Joan reminded me of those annoying teacher control freaks who made a big deal out of hall passes.
The only time I felt some sympathy for Joan is when she was passed over to work for Harry on TV, where she probably would have done great, but she didn't request it, and speaking up for yourself is part of corporate culture. You have to let it be known clearly that you really want something and you have the skills to do it well, which Peggy understood, just as she understood that it takes some courage and confidence to do.
@@bearcat648 People likes her cause she was gorgeous, smart, strong and sassy. I like Joan too, but I'm not blind to her flaws; sometimes she is no different from a petty highschool mean girl. And she said things about Peggy being fat after she lost the weight and all, I was like; but Joan isn't thinner than Peggy! What is she talking about? lol
Why is she so harsh towards other women, its so ant-feminist. Where is her sense of sisterhood.
I think it's one of the things that made the show so special. I wouldn't label Peggy or Joan as feminists. They're both very self serving. If you rewarch the show, Joan really has that queen-bee, petty highschool popular girl attitude.
Are you kidding? Look at the position that Scarlett put Dawn in. She could have gotten fired.
@Aaron Erickson No were more into hating men lol ♡
@@ykMMD yeah - she could be a real cunt at times..