30 second review: -About as big as an xbox -Runs hot -You pay a premium for compromising on normal case features -Limited compatibility -Fuck hex screws -Get a normal case
Actually: -About as big as an xbox -Possibility to use better hardware than most people have in standard cases and keep temps somewhat acceptable -Now seriously, anyone saying console is better than PC, simply go into the corner and die quietly
Keep saving and you'll be able to update your GTX 1080 from potato edition to hash brown, but if you are looking to save money you could always get the mashed potato 1080
Ultimate Dream Setup: Corsair 16 Watt Potato Supply GeForce 2 Potato Asus P2B Potato Compatible Edition Socket 21 intel 286 EXTREME Potato Power Edition Corsair Potato Series 4 Orange Juice CPU Cooler Toshiba ULTRA Widescreen 10" 25Hz Monitor 1985 Apple Mac Mouse Commodore 64 Keyboard w/ modern Potato Adapter Original DOOM and Half Life 2 AND the original Windows XP Pinball Windows 3.1 IBM Aptiva Cool Yellow Case (1995) Total Price: £894,927,208 ($1.2 Billion) My idea of a bargain.
Yea it could be huge in Canada, but the population of the US is twice as much as Canada's. Therefore it is more likely that there are more US viewers. So they will advertise to their larger audience.
4:40-Actually really high quality 304 and 316 stainless steel is not magnetic or is very weakly magnetic. So in reference to the screws, it's not necessarily low "Steel" content that means they are non magnetic, they actually could instead be 100% super high quality steel. My point is, the "Iron" content makes it magnetic not the "Steel" content as you said. And even still a small amount of additive metals to the iron can change the metals crystal structure and change it's magnetic properties quite drastically. (Though to be honest those screws might just some type of nickle alloy...) Still good video, thanks :)
Exactly what I meant when I said above: "And even still a small amount of additive metals to the iron can change the metals crystal structure and change it's magnetic properties quite drastically."
Imperial is more difficult to understand, and is therefore superior. Its the same way we run our politics. If you just babble like an idiot, you can even become a presidential candidate!
But worth mentioning. I got some self cutting grub screws (cross head, of course) for fan mounts with a case, really nasty and needed a lot of pressure to mount. Later upgraded to some Noctua fans, and noticed they'd included some screws too. The difference was remarkable; almost effortless to cut into the plastic both on the Noctua and on the originals ( the original fan I tried already had tracks, so I tried two of the case's screws and two of Noctua's and the latter were much easier). Good quality screws make building a rig a much more pleasant experience.
And be annoyed at a screw that doesn't grind itself up through use. And is specifically built to torque out. Hex, Torx, or Robertson. Everything else is bullshit.
Firstly, that is an unnecessary correction. Secondly, he didn't specify whether the PSU should be running. Thirdly, an unpowered PSU can be just as deadly as a powered one. The very first thing you should have been taught about servicing or building computers is *never fuck with a PSU.* If it is broken, chuck it out; never play with the internals, as even an unpowered PSU can store enough charge to kill or severely injure you.
I couldn't hear you about the Hex screws, because there was too much Fahrenheit and inches and foots and ounces and yards and other random stuff in the way.
Rofl, yep always gotta disclaim the crap out of these kinds of videos... The amount of failed projects I've covered... good god That said - dat case...
Linus! WTF? Phillips drive screws are the hallmark of unsophisticated low tech construction. They strip easily and require considerable thrust to avoid stripping and the thrust requirement increases to the degree that it is stuck. Sometimes you just can get into a position to provide the necessary thrust to avoid stripping a phillips drive screw. The screws aren't magnetic because they are quality stainless steel. Stripped or broken off fasteners can ruin an entire component potentially thus it's not good to chastise manufacturers who are thoughtful enough to take steps to avoid the issue. Hex and Torx heads look attractive and sophisticated, require very little thrust and are much harder to strip (especially SS ones). There's no reason or excuse for a quality component to have Phillips drive screws and you asking manufacturers to use them and not understanding that stainless screws aren't magnetic or that Phillips drive screws are a poor choice not only makes you appear foolish but leads to poor quality components for everyone given your ability to influence the industry.
It’s stainless steel lol a Philips head screwdriver ain’t going to strip it especially since your not going to be removing frequently, which is what causes them strip down a bit quicker
That complaint about the bolts made me cringe so hard. Those bolts are actually 100% steel, stainless steel to be exact. Stainless steel usually mostly consists of austenite, which is diamagnetic ("not magnetisable"). "Normal steel" in contrast consists mostly of ferrite, which is ferromagnetic ("magnetisable"). for the non-engineers: both are 100% steels, both are mostly made of iron and carbon, one is magnetic, the other isn't... So basically you're complaining about having high quality bolts that won't rust...
thank you for explaining that before i did. i got slightly triggered at the stupidity as well. however to be fair screws that are magnetic is certainly convenient. hard decision there. (maybe some form of Nickel alloy would be the best choice for being magnetic and having excellent longevity)
"this is a PC case, not a boat :p" -LinusTechTips, 2016 And what does that have to do with anything? If Linus wants to criticise a tech company, or even an entire continent, on a popular youtube channel then he should make sure he knows what he's talking about.
Its mostly a issue for cheap crappy philips screws that are about as hard as cheese. What i hate about them is with how much force you need to push down on it in order to not have it slip, while hex or torx need next to zero force.
in canada we have a screw with a square hole in it, it falls in easy and doesnt fall out by acident, it also never strips the screw; i dont think they are used anywhere else but i am always told they are the best type.
Have you heard of JIS (Japanese Industrial Standard) screws? They look like philips but are *much* better. You can look up videos here comparing them and the philips just suck. I think some guy said that philips screws were made to torque out easily for cheap wooden furniture in the 1930s. JIS is *so* much better, they don't torque out and my guess is you don't need to apply so much force on them like the philips.
yeah as someone who builds shit for a living, philips screws are pretty much the worst design of screw possible. They're designed so that the driver will pop out once you reach a certain torque, which (in theory) is supposed to prevent you from tightening them too tight. But in reality, it's possible to tighten them so hard that you can't loosen them without the driver popping out and stripping. Comptuer hardware is actually kind of the odd one out in that it's standardized to philips. Allen and Torx are just plain better and are used on pretty much everything in professional settings. Also thre reason the screws in this case aren't magnetic is because they're probably 316 stainless steel.
I actually like smaller cases since they don't take as much space as normal Atx cases and are generally nicer looking. And since we all can agree that most cases are >60% air inside why wouldn't you squeeze that waste volume out? Of course you stop squeezing when temps start rising.
Not really. I mean, you shouldn't try, but in reality power supplies are slightly more user-serviceable than manufacturers do (and obviously must) make it out to be. Of course, most you can do inside one is replace the fan, but in theory the capacitors inside modern PSUs should have discharge resistors wired around them, so that they don't hold their charge for too long. And regardless of what you do, always ground yourself (e.g. by plugging the PSU into a wall socket with the switch turned off) and don't try to sense the temperature of the components inside a running PSU using your hand :P
Just a quick comment on the sponsor. I own the two SunJack Lightsticks in the sponsor ad at the beginning of the video. I *adore* them. They give HUGE amounts of light, have useful modes, and can even work as a battery bank. The sockets are under a screw-down gasketed cap, with a nylon retainer strip. They're well designed and well executed. I purchased both of them for my personal use and got no promotional discounts or spiffs for my opinion.
LTT!!! THANK YOU for including open style coolers in this!!! I have been looking for how blower vs open coolers do in extreme sff cases for a very long time!! It was awesome to see! You legitimately dont understand how excited I am to see this!
Looking back on this video, I'm so glad I backed it. It's an awesome case. My intention was to be able to take a gaming desktop on flights as a carry-on. Still surprised I haven't had trouble with TSA yet...
Seams nice and all, but I already got my self a Node 202 early this year and I'm all proud and happy with my rig. Right now i'm looking into modding some stuff on it.
EMPiiRE Metric is arguably better. Imperial is based on metric actually. Metric has a real life definition and the measurements are done down to pico, which is quite precise. The imperial system is very reliant on demical points. Metric only needs decimal points for added accuracy, but imperial requires the decimal point for many measurements.The imperial system has one more flaw; ambiguous conversion methods. There are no nice round numbers and no one can remember them all.
Makes me want to throw out the window my brother "jet engine noisy" PS4 and build a beast living room console smasher/entertainment machine! :D The idea and looks of this chassis are awesome imo
An unlocked cpu would be better, quite eaay to go between an overclocked, overvolted state and a non overclock, undervolted state or even over/underclock with reduced voltage..
I would like to see as much as possible a video with all cases (or assembled systems), next to each other for size comparison and summary capabilities.
The hex screw is used to prevent people from DIY repairs and force them to pay the supplier to replace the whole item. Simplifies the warranty and increases profits via "after sales support". My simple rule is, if it has a hex screw, don't buy it. In carpentry a hex screw is called a torque screw and is typically used for long screws that need a better fit when using a drill with a hex bit to screw them in. There's no reason (or excuse) to use hex screws on metal to metal contacts unless they're designed to never be loosened (like on railway tracks).
LoL us in the Europe say the same about you in a US screw system. Just from the looks of them screws they might be Stainless steel look to see if there is any coding on them "A2 or A4 are the most common coding used on S/Steel screws nuts and bolts the case looks good might think about it as a carry PC
there are two main types of Stainless Steels Austenitic and Ferritic. Ferritic are magnetic (400 grades S/Steels ie 409/1.4512) Austenitic are classed as non magnetic BUT are very slightly magnetic only detectable by special equipment (300 grades S/Steel ie 316/1.4401) there are lots of other things that can make S/Steels magnetic but that too long to go through here
We've been running prototypes with i7/Xeon E3 paired up with GTX 970 / R9-270X without problems so far. It's just that going over 150W TDP on GPU and 90W TDP (which Linus just did) on CPU might mean throttling and bottlenecks in such case.
Something tells me this case will not be cheap! It is amazing though and I really, really want it. Already have a mini-ITX system minus the PSU and AIO CPU Cooler. Will definitely be saving up for this case and rig upgrades!!!!
Hooodini check out the node 202 case if you like small form factor. it's slightly bigger but relatively the same thing for only $80 ($120 if you get the one with a power supply included). still pretty awesome price for mini itx.
anonYMUS Then change it, it's not that hard. These temps could kill your card in no time. Just unscrew all the screws, clean the old thermal paste with some alcohol and change the thermal paste. Did that to my HD7970 and brought the temps down by about 7-8°C under load. And don't be so lighthearted about it... even if it's just a 3870, I wouldn't want to kill it. Maybe you can put it into a multimedia PC if you get a new one, like I did with my old 4870.
+sepehr certain people get a positive physical reaction to certain sounds. Others get relaxed by the same sounds. That is the tldr of ASMR. the community is of course people that make videos catering to ASMR and those that watch those videos
what is the point of shoving all of this high end hardware into a shitty small case to cook it for no reason, when you can show it off with a mid-tower with a sidepanel window with leds and keep it way cooler and more presentable. After all, it is a computer not a potato console that doesn't need airflow
Europe here. We'll start using Philips screws as soon as you guys convert to metric. BTW high quality stainless steel screws are often non-magnetic. I'd prefer more strength and better corrosive behavieour over magnetism for the one time you touch that thing. cheers.
Hex screws are actually pretty awesome (never stripped one when using the right size bit, while phillips basically invites head stripping) but they are definitely way easier to use if magnetic
"Ting provides service in the United States using Sprint's CDMA, EV-DO 3G, 4G WiMAX, and 4G LTE nationwide network as well as GSM service via the T-Mobile network."
Use some vasalene in the middle of the hex on the screws. Helps for installing small fasteners, as the 'goop' sticks the fastener to the bit driver instead of using magnetism (as the fasteners are probably 17-4 stainless steel - expensive stuff)
This case is fucking amazing. But yeah, like he says here: get aftermarket PSU cables (ESPECIALLY FOR THE MOTHERBOARD, XD). The individually-sleeved ones seem to be easier to manage in this kind of case, and they are much more flexible than your regular ribbon-style cables. I'm personally trying to use the shortest cables I can find so as to minimize the amount of wiring going through the case.
I get the small form factors for laptops, you have to hold the damn thing. but I don't get this.... why does it matter how small your box-to-plug-peripherals into is???
I was just joking. But seriously Phillips head screws were designed on purpose to make the screwdrivers slip to help prevent over torquing but nowadays everyone uses torque setting screwdrivers yet i still often slip on philips heads. This is not a problem with hexs.
There is plenty of reason to want to build fully functional high end PC with very small form factor. I agree, I'm thinking they'll sell a whole bunch of these.
I pay £13 a month ($17 usd) for unlimited internet (I have used 18 gigs in the last 2 weeks), 200 texts and 200 minutes with 3 mobile. Ting still seems overpriced to me.
I pay £11 ($15) a month with 3, get 3000 texts, 300 minutes, unlimited internet. I need it though, I used about 30gbs on wifi last month, and 50gbs on mobile data. Why, how I love 3 contracts that aren't sold any more.
Too bad it's US only, which is sad/annoying as Linus is in Canada last time I heard. We get ass-raped up here for mobile. I'm at $70/mo with only 256MB of data. Fucking Bell.
MY Sugo SG13 is a PITA to work in because you have to remove the power supply to do anything but change the GPU. This case doesn't look bad for anything but the PSU cables at the PSU.
Ventilation issues aside, is it safe to lay the Sentry on its side and place a 27" monitor on top of it? Will the sides sink in? Is there structural support internally? Can it support flat and/or pronged monitor bases?
This case appears to be a slightly smaller version of the Fractal Design Node 202. Except the guy on Awesome Sauce was able to fit a R9 Nano and an AiO CPU cooler into that case, considerably helping to combat the kind of heat issues this case appears to be suffering from.
Dutchie here, very European. So I've been building PC's since the late 90's now and I've never ever come across a PC case that did not have Phillips head screws. Come to think of it, I only ever run into Hex in 80's and 90's Philips and Marantz audio equipment, Scandinavian Speaker Drivers and Ikea crap :D.
It's an interesting looking case at first glance, Linus. I will say that the designer's heart is in the right place. However, after looking at those heat numbers, I would definitely want to stick with a vanilla mini ITX case with lots of venting. I am deeply paranoid about temperature, and the main reason why is because whenever I buy a given piece of hardware, I have no idea how long it's going to have to last me.
I love the idea and they really hit it on the nail with the design, but one flaw I could see besides the screws, would be to make the case out of aluminum. It would most likely improve on temperatures since aluminum is a great thermal conductor; plus the case would be much lighter! Besides that, the case looks very well made and if I were looking for a low form factor case that looks pretty good I'd probably stick with this.
Linus, you tried to mount the fan upside down on the cpu cooler, so pull instead of push like on the xbox one? Because you won't heat the mainboard with the hot air coming out of the cooler, thats the biggest disadvantage of the topblow coolers.
Was so getting the node202 to build a console sized gaming pc but after watching a couple of reviews,.....I'm staying away from these cases. I'm fine with my cm elite 130!less heat more space no stress and easier to work with👍💪
About the hex screw: don't lie, they use those outside of Europe as well. they're just not often used on computer hardware. I bet Taran's bike has them.
Can you guys make a video about your export settings for TH-cam? Your videos are beautiful. Obviously, that's mostly because they are 4k, and they're easy on the compression since there isn't much movement in the frame, but it'd be nice to know what your encoding settings you use for YT. :D
Here are some good points from an online forum I found on this topic and I agree with them. HEX vs PHILLIPS: #1 Basically, Phillips screws were developed before torque-limiting factory screwdrivers were invented, and they were carefully designed to strip. Besides that, they require forward pressure as well as rotation in order to turn, while hex screws only need to be turned. When I switched my XL-5 truck to hex hardware, it became ten times easier to work on and my hands didn't get so tired. #2 Hex hardware is much easier to use and stripping is less likely to happen. Plus you do not have to put pressure down on the hex driver like you do on a screw driver in order to stop the screw driver from slipping. And if you are tearing apart an entire truck that is alot less fatigue on the arms. There is a reason that nearly every major manufacturer has basically switched to hex exclusively. Comments taken from: traxxas.com/forums/showthread.php?471704-Hex-Screws-vs-Phillips
30 second review:
-About as big as an xbox
-Runs hot
-You pay a premium for compromising on normal case features
-Limited compatibility
-Fuck hex screws
-Get a normal case
you wouldnt use the parts he used he even said it
I want this to be a thing so bad. Luke does have some good ideas sometimes XD
+Nick Vienneau the parts were not running under normal circumstances, the motherboard was at 70C temps
Actually:
-About as big as an xbox
-Possibility to use better hardware than most people have in standard cases and keep temps somewhat acceptable
-Now seriously, anyone saying console is better than PC, simply go into the corner and die quietly
It's smaller than an Xbox one... but that says literally nothing, because the Xbox one is f**ing stupidly huge
Dream Build:
Power Supply: EVGA 3 Watt Lemon Supply ($1000)
GPU: EVGA GTX 1080 Potato Edition ($3000)
CPU: Intel Bread-Core Processor 6700k ($1500)
-----> *HDD: 256 MB of 2,386,093 punch cards
Keep saving and you'll be able to update your GTX 1080 from potato edition to hash brown, but if you are looking to save money you could always get the mashed potato 1080
I don't know what this is, but I love it
Dont get a Bread Core CPU u idiot.... get a 'Bagel Core' CPU...
The NZXT Dakimakura S3MEN-69 ATXXX case (has multiple cum stains) is a much better choice if you're willing to spend a bit more ($6900)
Ultimate Dream Setup:
Corsair 16 Watt Potato Supply
GeForce 2 Potato
Asus P2B Potato Compatible Edition Socket 21
intel 286 EXTREME Potato Power Edition
Corsair Potato Series 4 Orange Juice CPU Cooler
Toshiba ULTRA Widescreen 10" 25Hz Monitor
1985 Apple Mac Mouse
Commodore 64 Keyboard w/ modern Potato Adapter
Original DOOM and Half Life 2 AND the original Windows XP Pinball
Windows 3.1
IBM Aptiva Cool Yellow Case (1995)
Total Price: £894,927,208 ($1.2 Billion)
My idea of a bargain.
Linus, non magnetic screws/bolts are generally higher grade than screws/bolts made from more ferrous alloys.. just saying
+Tcamp this is a PC case, not a boat :p
Oh, I was sure it's a boat :(
>its not a boat
what did he mean by this?
this isn't a boat??
what am i doing here???
+LinusTechTips more like LinusBoatTips
LinusTechTips advertises Ting. LMG being a Canadian company I check it out. Ting not available in Canada.
Thanks Linus
THANKS OBA... LINUS!!!
lol. well to be fair he's international. his viewership is huge in America and the United kingdom
I would think the viewership in Canada is also huge.
Yea it could be huge in Canada, but the population of the US is twice as much as Canada's. Therefore it is more likely that there are more US viewers. So they will advertise to their larger audience.
Lyndeno its not that it isn't. But this is TH-cam... its viewership is worldwide.
4:40-Actually really high quality 304 and 316 stainless steel is not magnetic or is very weakly magnetic. So in reference to the screws, it's not necessarily low "Steel" content that means they are non magnetic, they actually could instead be 100% super high quality steel.
My point is, the "Iron" content makes it magnetic not the "Steel" content as you said. And even still a small amount of additive metals to the iron can change the metals crystal structure and change it's magnetic properties quite drastically. (Though to be honest those screws might just some type of nickle alloy...)
Still good video, thanks :)
It actaully has very little to doi with iron content, but with the cristalline structure.
ferrite: ferromagnetic, austenite: diamagnetic
Exactly what I meant when I said above:
"And even still a small amount of additive metals to the iron can change the metals crystal structure and change it's magnetic properties quite drastically."
BUT WHAT ABOUT MARTENSITIC!?
Please elaborate?
nein junge of lp
linus-what is with the europeans and their hex screws?
me-what is with americans with their metric system?
Americans use imperial...
He is Canadian...
I'm from Europe and I have never seen a pc with hex screws.
Imperial is more difficult to understand, and is therefore superior. Its the same way we run our politics. If you just babble like an idiot, you can even become a presidential candidate!
the only PC i see with hex screws are Dell you know a *cough* American company
only linus would complain about having quality stainless steel bolts.
Exactly. Only the good quality stainless hardware is non magnetic.
Altho using such screws in a tight spot can get quite annoying
But worth mentioning. I got some self cutting grub screws (cross head, of course) for fan mounts with a case, really nasty and needed a lot of pressure to mount. Later upgraded to some Noctua fans, and noticed they'd included some screws too. The difference was remarkable; almost effortless to cut into the plastic both on the Noctua and on the originals ( the original fan I tried already had tracks, so I tried two of the case's screws and two of Noctua's and the latter were much easier). Good quality screws make building a rig a much more pleasant experience.
Honestly i'd prefer magnetic screws over steel screws anyday.
And be annoyed at a screw that doesn't grind itself up through use. And is specifically built to torque out.
Hex, Torx, or Robertson. Everything else is bullshit.
*****
Because stainless steel is not magnetic.
> don't stick your finger in the PSU
> twice sticks finger in the PSU
I think I misheard the instructions. My dick is stuck in the PSU fan
😂
dayum son
*sticks fingers in the PSU twice
And he said you shouldn't stick your fingers in the PSU while it's running. Did he do that? No.
Firstly, that is an unnecessary correction. Secondly, he didn't specify whether the PSU should be running. Thirdly, an unpowered PSU can be just as deadly as a powered one. The very first thing you should have been taught about servicing or building computers is *never fuck with a PSU.* If it is broken, chuck it out; never play with the internals, as even an unpowered PSU can store enough charge to kill or severely injure you.
I couldn't hear you about the Hex screws, because there was too much Fahrenheit and inches and foots and ounces and yards and other random stuff in the way.
Rofl, yep always gotta disclaim the crap out of these kinds of videos... The amount of failed projects I've covered... good god That said - dat case...
My two favorite channels cross payhs...nice
This case has plenty of use cases but I wouldn't use them for gaming
Well this one actually came out. Glad I backed it.
All I see is a Portal Sentry Turret
Or, like, a giant Wii
now I want to buy it and make it
Exactly what I thought. Now I want them to hook a little speaker into it to make a Turret noise when you turn it on like "Target Acquired"
thats where the name came from:)
Level 4 sentry
But will its back be able to melt steel beams?
No, but perhaps hot enough to affect their structural integrity. BEGONE FROM THIS PLACE, LOOSE CHANGE!
www.europhysicsnews.org/articles/epn/pdf/2016/04/epn2016474p21.pdf
Yes why question what the media is telling us
why question the fact that the towers had a terrorist insurance
Only if there is an accelerant used...
7/11 was a part time job
I hope everyone has an awesome day
Thanks you too.
I wish you an awesome day
Thanks man.
thanks man !
thanks
Linus! WTF? Phillips drive screws are the hallmark of unsophisticated low tech construction. They strip easily and require considerable thrust to avoid stripping and the thrust requirement increases to the degree that it is stuck. Sometimes you just can get into a position to provide the necessary thrust to avoid stripping a phillips drive screw. The screws aren't magnetic because they are quality stainless steel. Stripped or broken off fasteners can ruin an entire component potentially thus it's not good to chastise manufacturers who are thoughtful enough to take steps to avoid the issue. Hex and Torx heads look attractive and sophisticated, require very little thrust and are much harder to strip (especially SS ones). There's no reason or excuse for a quality component to have Phillips drive screws and you asking manufacturers to use them and not understanding that stainless screws aren't magnetic or that Phillips drive screws are a poor choice not only makes you appear foolish but leads to poor quality components for everyone given your ability to influence the industry.
Agree 100%
perhaps you should learn how to use a screw driver if you fear stripping one in an application such as a desktop computer jajajaja.
hopefully this is sarcasm...otherwise its n00b to the core
It’s stainless steel lol a Philips head screwdriver ain’t going to strip it especially since your not going to be removing frequently, which is what causes them strip down a bit quicker
That complaint about the bolts made me cringe so hard.
Those bolts are actually 100% steel, stainless steel to be exact.
Stainless steel usually mostly consists of austenite, which is diamagnetic ("not magnetisable").
"Normal steel" in contrast consists mostly of ferrite, which is ferromagnetic ("magnetisable").
for the non-engineers: both are 100% steels, both are mostly made of iron and carbon, one is magnetic, the other isn't...
So basically you're complaining about having high quality bolts that won't rust...
"this is a PC case, not a boat :p"
-LinusTechTips, 2016
Plus Phillips screws would look bad
thank you for explaining that before i did.
i got slightly triggered at the stupidity as well.
however to be fair screws that are magnetic is certainly convenient. hard decision there.
(maybe some form of Nickel alloy would be the best choice for being magnetic and having excellent longevity)
Queue 10 more people who try really hard to sound smart.
"this is a PC case, not a boat :p"
-LinusTechTips, 2016
And what does that have to do with anything? If Linus wants to criticise a tech company, or even an entire continent, on a popular youtube channel then he should make sure he knows what he's talking about.
We use hex screws because they don't break as easily as philips screws.
Its mostly a issue for cheap crappy philips screws that are about as hard as cheese. What i hate about them is with how much force you need to push down on it in order to not have it slip, while hex or torx need next to zero force.
in canada we have a screw with a square hole in it, it falls in easy and doesnt fall out by acident, it also never strips the screw; i dont think they are used anywhere else but i am always told they are the best type.
Have you heard of JIS (Japanese Industrial Standard) screws? They look like philips but are *much* better. You can look up videos here comparing them and the philips just suck. I think some guy said that philips screws were made to torque out easily for cheap wooden furniture in the 1930s. JIS is *so* much better, they don't torque out and my guess is you don't need to apply so much force on them like the philips.
I have not heard about them, just looked them up, they look similar to one of the screws we have here, but if they are, those screws break easily.
yeah as someone who builds shit for a living, philips screws are pretty much the worst design of screw possible.
They're designed so that the driver will pop out once you reach a certain torque, which (in theory) is supposed to prevent you from tightening them too tight. But in reality, it's possible to tighten them so hard that you can't loosen them without the driver popping out and stripping.
Comptuer hardware is actually kind of the odd one out in that it's standardized to philips. Allen and Torx are just plain better and are used on pretty much everything in professional settings.
Also thre reason the screws in this case aren't magnetic is because they're probably 316 stainless steel.
Hi, I'm Dr. Zaber... :)
Hi, Hope you have a good day Doctor! :)
How much will this cost?
Run you clever boy, and be a Doctor.
I WANT THAT CASE!
Just not The Dr Zaber.
Who decided gaming rigs needed to be Small? Oh, right those folks that want it to double as a Pizza Warming Oven.
As long as there's extra cheese I'm good
Game consoles, mostly. This isn't a "gaming" rig, this is a "small box in my living room, hooked up to my 40" 1080p TV" rig.
I did. Blame me
I actually like smaller cases since they don't take as much space as normal Atx cases and are generally nicer looking. And since we all can agree that most cases are >60% air inside why wouldn't you squeeze that waste volume out? Of course you stop squeezing when temps start rising.
Meanwhile my ncase with a custom loop and two rads maintains cool, quiet and overclocked a 4790k and a 980ti. :3
I'm IN LOVE with these compact pc videos from you guys at LTT. Keep it up guys!
It kinda looks like a portal turret when its on the stand
6:10 HE STUCK HIS FINGER IN THE POWER SUPPLY!! But he's not dead?
wasn't moving/ plugged in
It can still kill you even of it's unplugged.
RIP Linus
HES A GOD
Not really. I mean, you shouldn't try, but in reality power supplies are slightly more user-serviceable than manufacturers do (and obviously must) make it out to be. Of course, most you can do inside one is replace the fan, but in theory the capacitors inside modern PSUs should have discharge resistors wired around them, so that they don't hold their charge for too long. And regardless of what you do, always ground yourself (e.g. by plugging the PSU into a wall socket with the switch turned off) and don't try to sense the temperature of the components inside a running PSU using your hand :P
4:10:
"Just keep your fingers out of it or you could die"
6:09
*stick my fingers in there*
:P
thats what i thought ;(
He touched the chassis, not internals of the PSU. The PSU's capacitors can retain enough charge to kill you even while it's off.
Even when it's off you shouldn't go poking around in your PSU.
***** Before the capacitors can retain a charge.
The large caps have discharge resistors across them, the'll be empty in a few seconds after powering off
Linus actually recommended the stock Intel cooler :O
Just a quick comment on the sponsor.
I own the two SunJack Lightsticks in the sponsor ad at the beginning of the video. I *adore* them. They give HUGE amounts of light, have useful modes, and can even work as a battery bank. The sockets are under a screw-down gasketed cap, with a nylon retainer strip. They're well designed and well executed. I purchased both of them for my personal use and got no promotional discounts or spiffs for my opinion.
LTT!!! THANK YOU for including open style coolers in this!!! I have been looking for how blower vs open coolers do in extreme sff cases for a very long time!! It was awesome to see! You legitimately dont understand how excited I am to see this!
Hex screws are awesome though, especially with small screws
my name is jafar
i come from afar
there's a Note 7 in my car
allahu akbar
How original and funny.
DAFAK
not original it's everywhere.
-my name is abdoul
-islam is very cool
-don't call me a fool
-or i'll blow up your school
Tohohama Cikushima nice dude
their indie gogo campaign yesterday was a huge success. first limited run sold in 11 minutes.
Looking back on this video, I'm so glad I backed it. It's an awesome case. My intention was to be able to take a gaming desktop on flights as a carry-on. Still surprised I haven't had trouble with TSA yet...
Seams nice and all, but I already got my self a Node 202 early this year and I'm all proud and happy with my rig. Right now i'm looking into modding some stuff on it.
"don't put you finger in the PSU or you may die" *puts his index finger halfway in the PSU at **6:10*
We will stop using hex heads when you stop using imperial over metrics :^)
Canada is in America -_-
Kirtasht Yeah, but not the cool part of America.
Hes from Canada, in Canada we use the metric system
EMPiiRE imperial is for down syndrome fucks
EMPiiRE Metric is arguably better. Imperial is based on metric actually. Metric has a real life definition and the measurements are done down to pico, which is quite precise. The imperial system is very reliant on demical points. Metric only needs decimal points for added accuracy, but imperial requires the decimal point for many measurements.The imperial system has one more flaw; ambiguous conversion methods. There are no nice round numbers and no one can remember them all.
I doubt I'll be moving out of my Silverstone RVZ01 any time soon. Nice to see the development of small cases isn't dying off.
"KallaAnka" - Cool Steam name. 8:37
bad choice of game though
Haha, that's also an opinion :)
I like how the UK doesn't exist!
That map is all kinds of fucked up lol
Me too
Where?
What's the UK?
The map shows the world after all polar ice has melted ...
What about this size for a custom router build?
would be a very nice opnsense box.
Mine is running on a very small mini itx pc but this case is even smaller.
Up next: Watercooling in Dr Zaber Sentry case
Step 1: Dunk case in water.
Step 2: Cry about all the money you wasted.
+Dankerino Nicherino that sounds legit
dank
+Dieser 1337 Baka. indeed
Makes me want to throw out the window my brother "jet engine noisy" PS4 and build a beast living room console smasher/entertainment machine! :D
The idea and looks of this chassis are awesome imo
I just ordered on of these on their Indiegogo page!! So excited!
When is this thing set to release? TAKE MY MONEY!
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Backed a pair of these today. LAN party PC that actually fits in a backpack here I come!
Brit here, we use Philips Screws. Also, Britain is missing from your map @ 4:35
lol is that a brexit joke or something?
Reinturtle Um, no? We're missing from the map. Ireland is there though.
BRYTAN SOCKS MATE
LlamaFluff but it has to be intentional, right?
Reinturtle Why would it? Every other country is on the map.
This is why I come to this channel. Keep up the good work.
Finally! I've been waiting for this review for a while now since it appeared on the forum!
Your 750 watt psu powers a Titan xp and 22 core Xeon... My 750 watt psu powers an rx 480 and fx 8320 lol
try sad times
Linus said "700 watt PSU" not 750 watt
My 800 watt psu powers a 1070 and a 4790k...
it was only $8 more than the 600 watt version though :/ don't blame me
I didn't even pay for mine though, my father did something that killed my old power supply and he bought me a new one without me even asking :d
my 430 watt powers a potato
Wooo! Made in Poland. :D
If you build a Skylake non-OC i3 or i5 in it and compare it with a GTX1060/1070 there should be no heat problems :D
But where's the fun in a non-OC CPU? ;)
An unlocked cpu would be better, quite eaay to go between an overclocked, overvolted state and a non overclock, undervolted state or even over/underclock with reduced voltage..
ksells
then you could melt the case ;)
JK, i think there are no problems up to 4.4GHz :D
these boxes aren´t for oc anyways, you cant oc consoles either >_>. He crammed all that in there to show the super worst case scenario as he said.
kurok1tenshi
you could easily overclock an i5-6600k to 4.0-4.2Ghz
I would like to see as much as possible a video with all cases (or assembled systems), next to each other for size comparison and summary capabilities.
The hex screw is used to prevent people from DIY repairs and force them to pay the supplier to replace the whole item. Simplifies the warranty and increases profits via "after sales support". My simple rule is, if it has a hex screw, don't buy it.
In carpentry a hex screw is called a torque screw and is typically used for long screws that need a better fit when using a drill with a hex bit to screw them in. There's no reason (or excuse) to use hex screws on metal to metal contacts unless they're designed to never be loosened (like on railway tracks).
GIVE US ANOTHER EPISODE
OF "KICK FARTED"
LoL us in the Europe say the same about you in a US screw system.
Just from the looks of them screws they might be Stainless steel look to see if there is any coding on them "A2 or A4 are the most common coding used on S/Steel screws nuts and bolts the case looks good might think about it as a carry PC
He is from canada
Opps LoL keep forgetting and keep thinking he is US
SORRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Stainless steel can be magnetic if pressed.
there are two main types of Stainless Steels
Austenitic and Ferritic.
Ferritic are magnetic (400 grades S/Steels ie 409/1.4512)
Austenitic are classed as non magnetic BUT are very slightly magnetic only detectable by special equipment (300 grades S/Steel ie 316/1.4401)
there are lots of other things that can make S/Steels magnetic but that too long to go through here
Linus lives in Canada not the u.s. Dumbfuck
would say a reasonable config will be something like i3-6100 paired with a GTX 1050 or RX 460 or maybe one higher up either nvidia or amd.
We've been running prototypes with i7/Xeon E3 paired up with GTX 970 / R9-270X without problems so far. It's just that going over 150W TDP on GPU and 90W TDP (which Linus just did) on CPU might mean throttling and bottlenecks in such case.
+drZaberPL I hope this goes through. This is, perfect!
I love the node 202 in fact I have one and I love it, I wish they had a side window with holes drilled in it for airflow.
Something tells me this case will not be cheap! It is amazing though and I really, really want it. Already have a mini-ITX system minus the PSU and AIO CPU Cooler. Will definitely be saving up for this case and rig upgrades!!!!
Why didn't he mention the price? THIS THING COSTS 235$ I MEAN ITS JUST A LITTLE STEEL THING
Hooodini rather use a pizza box
Hooodini check out the node 202 case if you like small form factor. it's slightly bigger but relatively the same thing for only $80 ($120 if you get the one with a power supply included). still pretty awesome price for mini itx.
Because the video was made pre-production so the price wasn't known at that time.
My video card gets 100+°C at 100% fan speed, when playing. lol.
You should get a better cooling solution
What card is it and what does your cooling solution look like? This shouldn't be possible in any way.
i think the thermal paste just doesn't work anymore. i have a sapphire hd 3870 :D
anonYMUS Then change it, it's not that hard.
These temps could kill your card in no time.
Just unscrew all the screws, clean the old thermal paste with some alcohol and change the thermal paste.
Did that to my HD7970 and brought the temps down by about 7-8°C under load.
And don't be so lighthearted about it... even if it's just a 3870, I wouldn't want to kill it. Maybe you can put it into a multimedia PC if you get a new one, like I did with my old 4870.
Dieser 1337 Baka. Thank you :-), i'll do what you said. i didn't think there were nice people on youtube.
No dust filters?
Great Video as usual LTT. This is the case I am looking for, thanks!
Oh wow, didn't know this cool little case is made in my country! Go Ząber!
8:40
people still play no mans sky?
Some people found it relaxing since the massive repetitiveness. And it's popular throughout ASMR community.
+sepehr certain people get a positive physical reaction to certain sounds. Others get relaxed by the same sounds. That is the tldr of ASMR. the community is of course people that make videos catering to ASMR and those that watch those videos
I wish these computer cases had more usb ports on the front.
I wish they had one more expansion card slot and a space for a slim ODD.
FINALLY, SOMEONE SENSIBLE!!
Hey Nick, turn the case around. Problem solved.
toy machine I dont like looking at the back of my computer case, it also messes up my airflow if I do that
what about USB-hubs?
what is the point of shoving all of this high end hardware into a shitty small case to cook it for no reason, when you can show it off with a mid-tower with a sidepanel window with leds and keep it way cooler and more presentable. After all, it is a computer not a potato console that doesn't need airflow
im really not impressed.... all those big words and this is just a steel box.....
Democritus86 yea it should cost $20
well 20 seems a bit too low but i cant see this going more than 60.....
Democritus86 for me it is worth $20 lol
+husssein Well, for others your mostly plastic mid tower living up to the RGB hype is worth no more than 20$. It's all a matter of preference.
Europe here. We'll start using Philips screws as soon as you guys convert to metric. BTW high quality stainless steel screws are often non-magnetic. I'd prefer more strength and better corrosive behavieour over magnetism for the one time you touch that thing. cheers.
Hex screws are actually pretty awesome (never stripped one when using the right size bit, while phillips basically invites head stripping) but they are definitely way easier to use if magnetic
aahm... im here in germany abd i use these philips head screws ...?
Germany >>>>>>> USA
The UK is literally not even ON that map.
Greyed out is the whole european continent minus Russia and some former Soviet republics.
ummm... look again at the map. It clearly says the entirety of Europe uses Hex screws, which is just not true.
They are rarely used in the UK tbh, mostly philips.
UK uses Phillips head, I've never seen those screws before in my life
i think this would be perfect with an i5 6600k and something like a 1060 or 1070
you should mention that ting is US based and not available to Canadians..
What makes you think it's US based? It's made by two guys from poland
"Ting provides service in the United States using Sprint's CDMA,
EV-DO 3G, 4G WiMAX, and 4G LTE nationwide network as well as GSM service
via the T-Mobile network."
lol I read "that thing" meaning the case, sorry my bad
That can only be subscribed to in the US!
Use some vasalene in the middle of the hex on the screws. Helps for installing small fasteners, as the 'goop' sticks the fastener to the bit driver instead of using magnetism (as the fasteners are probably 17-4 stainless steel - expensive stuff)
This case is fucking amazing. But yeah, like he says here: get aftermarket PSU cables (ESPECIALLY FOR THE MOTHERBOARD, XD). The individually-sleeved ones seem to be easier to manage in this kind of case, and they are much more flexible than your regular ribbon-style cables. I'm personally trying to use the shortest cables I can find so as to minimize the amount of wiring going through the case.
I get the small form factors for laptops, you have to hold the damn thing. but I don't get this.... why does it matter how small your box-to-plug-peripherals into is???
Hex screws are superior in everyway you Imperial measurement system using Philistine.
he is canadian.
I was just joking. But seriously Phillips head screws were designed on purpose to make the screwdrivers slip to help prevent over torquing but nowadays everyone uses torque setting screwdrivers yet i still often slip on philips heads. This is not a problem with hexs.
+Nine_inch_Snails I am not sure about what you just said, but ok (sorry, not into screws)
yep complain about the preimem stainless steel bolts
"preimem" Lmao
There is plenty of reason to want to build fully functional high end PC with very small form factor. I agree, I'm thinking they'll sell a whole bunch of these.
My brother just touched the bottom left of my mobo and somehow killed the cpu, rip 3820
Is he made of water/metal?
not necessarily. Probably just fired the motherboard, not the CPU
M8 i used a knife to cut the thermal paste off the cpu and it still worked
+Clorox Bleach wtf
He is a bottle of bleach, so that makes sense.
What are the lengths of the CableMod cables?
as long as a piece of string
Ok thanks :P
BN twice as long as half their length.
Wow, helpful comments lol.
ting is legit as fuck I only pay about 26 dollars a month
i pay only 2.5 dollars a month in Ukraine I have only 4 gigs of traffic, and phonecalls, but it's ok for me.
I pay £13 a month ($17 usd) for unlimited internet (I have used 18 gigs in the last 2 weeks), 200 texts and 200 minutes with 3 mobile. Ting still seems overpriced to me.
I pay £11 ($15) a month with 3, get 3000 texts, 300 minutes, unlimited internet. I need it though, I used about 30gbs on wifi last month, and 50gbs on mobile data. Why, how I love 3 contracts that aren't sold any more.
Too bad it's US only, which is sad/annoying as Linus is in Canada last time I heard. We get ass-raped up here for mobile. I'm at $70/mo with only 256MB of data. Fucking Bell.
The NFC S4 Mini is like 4L, but then again, it requires an external power supply, and that usually means like a max of 330W.
Half year after I figured out this is a polish case.
Awesome! :)
Notice me Linus senpaiiii
Pause at 0:15 and look at is face 😂😂😂
pon subtitulos en español que podria ayudar a muchos
Prueba el openenglish, we :v
I actually own the steam machine you showed at the beginning :) I LOVE it's size. But for extra hard drives I had to go with an E-Sata enclosure.
You guys will be mind blown when the
MY Sugo SG13 is a PITA to work in because you have to remove the power supply to do anything but change the GPU. This case doesn't look bad for anything but the PSU cables at the PSU.
Ventilation issues aside, is it safe to lay the Sentry on its side and place a 27" monitor on top of it? Will the sides sink in? Is there structural support internally? Can it support flat and/or pronged monitor bases?
This case appears to be a slightly smaller version of the Fractal Design Node 202. Except the guy on Awesome Sauce was able to fit a R9 Nano and an AiO CPU cooler into that case, considerably helping to combat the kind of heat issues this case appears to be suffering from.
This is beautiful
when I saw that green glow coming out of the side i was like does it have a titan xp in it then Linus is like we went crazy titan xp
Dutchie here, very European.
So I've been building PC's since the late 90's now and I've never ever come across a PC case that did not have Phillips head screws. Come to think of it, I only ever run into Hex in 80's and 90's Philips and Marantz audio equipment, Scandinavian Speaker Drivers and Ikea crap :D.
great video ! thanks linus and team!
It's an interesting looking case at first glance, Linus. I will say that the designer's heart is in the right place. However, after looking at those heat numbers, I would definitely want to stick with a vanilla mini ITX case with lots of venting. I am deeply paranoid about temperature, and the main reason why is because whenever I buy a given piece of hardware, I have no idea how long it's going to have to last me.
Aaaaand two years down the road, Dr Zaber's Sentry entered it's second version iteration, showing the interest in SFF.
I love the idea and they really hit it on the nail with the design, but one flaw I could see besides the screws, would be to make the case out of aluminum. It would most likely improve on temperatures since aluminum is a great thermal conductor; plus the case would be much lighter! Besides that, the case looks very well made and if I were looking for a low form factor case that looks pretty good I'd probably stick with this.
I'm liking these itx builds.
Linus, you tried to mount the fan upside down on the cpu cooler, so pull instead of push like on the xbox one? Because you won't heat the mainboard with the hot air coming out of the cooler, thats the biggest disadvantage of the topblow coolers.
Was so getting the node202 to build a console sized gaming pc but after watching a couple of reviews,.....I'm staying away from these cases. I'm fine with my cm elite 130!less heat more space no stress and easier to work with👍💪
About the hex screw: don't lie, they use those outside of Europe as well.
they're just not often used on computer hardware.
I bet Taran's bike has them.
no words,So beautiful.
4:43
Being one of the lucky 100 to purchase a Sentry through the website this month, I can say that this criticism has been addressed.
Can you guys make a video about your export settings for TH-cam? Your videos are beautiful. Obviously, that's mostly because they are 4k, and they're easy on the compression since there isn't much movement in the frame, but it'd be nice to know what your encoding settings you use for YT. :D
Here are some good points from an online forum I found on this topic and I agree with them.
HEX vs PHILLIPS:
#1
Basically, Phillips screws were developed before torque-limiting factory screwdrivers were invented, and they were carefully designed to strip. Besides that, they require forward pressure as well as rotation in order to turn, while hex screws only need to be turned. When I switched my XL-5 truck to hex hardware, it became ten times easier to work on and my hands didn't get so tired.
#2
Hex hardware is much easier to use and stripping is less likely to happen.
Plus you do not have to put pressure down on the hex driver like you do on a screw driver in order to stop the screw driver from slipping.
And if you are tearing apart an entire truck that is alot less fatigue on the arms. There is a reason that nearly every major manufacturer has basically switched to hex exclusively.
Comments taken from:
traxxas.com/forums/showthread.php?471704-Hex-Screws-vs-Phillips