Hey Jon. Incredable flying skills. I'm having a difficult time learning how to control the Harrier position. I'm seeing how that spoiler / Harrier mix would make the front wing slip through the air with less resistance. Once in the Harrier position, are you concentrating more on the throttle or the elevator to keep the nose at the angle that you want. I know you're using both, but whish one do you concentrate on most. The throttle , or the elevator. Let me know please. Any input will be of great help right now. THANKS.
Hey man, thank you! Harrier control is all about throttle management. Once you pick an attitude with the elevator, throttle then controls how much the craft climbs, descends, or otherwise maintains that attitude. You adjust both as-needed - it's something you've gotta feel out. Each plane is unique in how it needs to be handled. I usually dance with both sticks to get it to maintain a stable harrier, but generally I'm more focused on rudder control and thrust modulation than I am on elevator positioning.
I'm flying here on 4s 2200 and 3200 50c Smart packs. They work pretty well. I don't think you're gonna get 5-6 minutes doing 3D with this model though, not unless you're really good with throttle management.
That's a very uncommon opinion to hear - most people we've talked to have complained about the E-flite Extra and mentioned that it's too heavy or not responsive enough. We enjoyed ours, but haven't owned one in well over a year by this point. Thanks!
I'm using an AR637TA receiver, so it's still six channels. The SPM file is pretty simple but I'm currently busy making my new F/A-18D from E-Flite have full span flaps and tailerons for its maiden tomorrow. Feel free to remind me and I'll upload it for you.
@@andyschiffer6682 I'll make it available tomorrow most likely, the 21st. I've set a task in my phone to remember to create a setup video for the Extra. It should be short and sweet since there's not a whole lot that goes into that aircraft.
Hi Jon, You've really been able to get a lot out of this plane. It's pretty good out of the box but a little squirrelly and unstable in higher alfa. I like your set up video. Question: Do you still fly with the wood 13x6 prop that comes with it? Or have you changed props? And if so, what are you using now? Thanks.
How did you get her to fly like that? The knife edge spins and wall to waterfall are such hard spins around the axis, do you use 150% rates for that? Also do you need a different receiver or servos to do that? My BNF Extra can't do more than 100%
For the spoilerons, what programming did it take to put channel 6 in the as3x mode or does this plane come with seperate ailerons from the factory? I just ordered one and will do spoilerons first thing as usual. I’ve just never done it with as3x.
Also, the programming required is setting the transmitter to Flaperon configuration. Or Dual Aileron - that would work as well, but you wouldn't get timed flap/spoiler deployment. You also need to make sure that the receiver knows you're using this wing type because otherwise you won't get the correct AS3X response.
@@TwoBrosRC So unlock it and setup channel six as right aileron as usual and as3x handles it from there? I’ve done Auras and standard RXs as spoilerons but no as3x yet.
@@TwoBrosRC Well, I'm sure you could do well, but also you may prefer doing just what you are, bringing RC Aerobatics for your viewers and subscribers in the community to enjoy, which is great. Fly on!
Hey Jon. Need your knowledge. I can't live without Flaperons. Have them programmed into all my scratch built airplanes. Question. I just bought an AeroScout with an "AR631" receiver. Just like the EXTRA 300. I know I'll have to go in and change the wing type to the Flaperon setting on my Spectrum transmitter to activate the Flaperons. Is that what you did to give you the Flaperon option on your EXTRA. I made the Big mistake of putting an AR631 Receiver from a wrecked RV-7 onto a scratch built airplane which was an immediate catastrophic failure. Didn't clear the factory RV-7 SETTINGS. On the AeroScout with the AR631 Receiver, can I go in and change the wing type to the Flaperon setting without disrupting the compatability of the AR631 Receiver to the AeroScout. I hope my question makes since to you. Let me know please. THANKS.
th-cam.com/video/Z_2EOSBRuc0/w-d-xo.html Here's the setup I fly on that should help you figure out the flaperon wing type. Don't deploy them as flaps with an AeroScout though. You'll want them reflexed upward to act as spoilers which will allow you to bring the model in with a nice flare and still slow it down. You'll have to reprogram the AR631 in the AeroScout before doing this though. Search for "Unlock AR637TA" on TH-cam.
What receiver are you using you can’t be using the one that came with it correct. Because that does not support flapetons and if it does how do you get it to work. Then what is that setting where all your control surfaces point up
@@TwoBrosRC if you could help me when you get a minute to find this video I’ve been looking forever for how to reset this receiver I’ve tried following other peoples directions but it just doesn’t seem to work. Can’t get flaperons to work. Thank you
Oh, sorry, I misread. Thought you wrote nose-heavy for some reason. That's why I shouldn't comment at 1am. Yeah, what you could do here is run a pair of 3200 packs in parallel. I've done it before and it definitely tames the model quite a bit.
Hot dang that was a awesome to watch! Love the KE spins and Harriers all day long. Cold out and your flying like its summer..crazy man
Thanks! I'd rather fly in winter over summer. The planes fly better, the electronics run cooler, and the bugs are all gone.
Love the tip to reduce wing rock. I have a couple of planes that I have this trouble with and will certainly try your method! Thanks for the video 😀
That wall-to-waterfall was a crazy move!
Awesome fun flight Jon!
Awesome plane and great skills very cool 👍👍👍👍👍
Nice. Flight, I’d like to get the 300x and fly it scale. Not good enough for 3D stuff.you make it look easy.
Nice flying! What size pack are you using in yours? I normally fly a 3200mah Smart pack in mine. Thanks!
2200 to 3200 50c packs, generally. Thanks!
I love my 300 but have no idea how to set that configuration up on EdgeTX...🛩
Nice video!
Sorry, can't help there. But someone on our Discord server might know! bit.ly/TBRCDiscord
Hey Jon. Incredable flying skills. I'm having a difficult time learning how to control the Harrier position. I'm seeing how that spoiler / Harrier mix would make the front wing slip through the air with less resistance. Once in the Harrier position, are you concentrating more on the throttle or the elevator to keep the nose at the angle that you want. I know you're using both, but whish one do you concentrate on most. The throttle , or the elevator. Let me know please. Any input will be of great help right now. THANKS.
Hey man, thank you! Harrier control is all about throttle management. Once you pick an attitude with the elevator, throttle then controls how much the craft climbs, descends, or otherwise maintains that attitude. You adjust both as-needed - it's something you've gotta feel out. Each plane is unique in how it needs to be handled. I usually dance with both sticks to get it to maintain a stable harrier, but generally I'm more focused on rudder control and thrust modulation than I am on elevator positioning.
Nice 3d. What mah packs are you using and flight times? 2200 3300 mah 4s recommendation. Id like to get at least 5-6 min or if the pack flying 3d.
I'm flying here on 4s 2200 and 3200 50c Smart packs. They work pretty well. I don't think you're gonna get 5-6 minutes doing 3D with this model though, not unless you're really good with throttle management.
Knife edge spin? Or knife edge waterfall? You fly very well. This is my second best plane outside my extreme flight 103.
That's a very uncommon opinion to hear - most people we've talked to have complained about the E-flite Extra and mentioned that it's too heavy or not responsive enough. We enjoyed ours, but haven't owned one in well over a year by this point. Thanks!
I enjoy the Extra 300 also. Did you upgrade the receiver with add'l channels? Would you consider sharing your .SPM file?
I'm using an AR637TA receiver, so it's still six channels. The SPM file is pretty simple but I'm currently busy making my new F/A-18D from E-Flite have full span flaps and tailerons for its maiden tomorrow. Feel free to remind me and I'll upload it for you.
@@TwoBrosRC Any update on sharing the SPM?
@@andyschiffer6682 I'll make it available tomorrow most likely, the 21st. I've set a task in my phone to remember to create a setup video for the Extra. It should be short and sweet since there's not a whole lot that goes into that aircraft.
It's up now!
Hi Jon, You've really been able to get a lot out of this plane. It's pretty good out of the box but a little squirrelly and unstable in higher alfa. I like your set up video. Question: Do you still fly with the wood 13x6 prop that comes with it? Or have you changed props? And if so, what are you using now? Thanks.
We switched to a Xoar 13x6.5 prop mostly just for the silver color which matches the aircraft quite well: amzn.to/3QJx5S1
do i need to do anything special on my ar631 that came along with this plane to set up flaperon like yours
Unlock it. Follow the setup guide on our channel.
How did you get her to fly like that? The knife edge spins and wall to waterfall are such hard spins around the axis, do you use 150% rates for that? Also do you need a different receiver or servos to do that? My BNF Extra can't do more than 100%
Using a neutral CG and full throws makes flying like this possible. You do need to unlock the receiver if you want 150% rates.
@@TwoBrosRC How do you unlock the receiver? Really appreciate the answers!
For the spoilerons, what programming did it take to put channel 6 in the as3x mode or does this plane come with seperate ailerons from the factory? I just ordered one and will do spoilerons first thing as usual. I’ve just never done it with as3x.
You need a new receiver or you need to unlock the existing receiver. Either will work.
Also, the programming required is setting the transmitter to Flaperon configuration. Or Dual Aileron - that would work as well, but you wouldn't get timed flap/spoiler deployment. You also need to make sure that the receiver knows you're using this wing type because otherwise you won't get the correct AS3X response.
@@TwoBrosRC So unlock it and setup channel six as right aileron as usual and as3x handles it from there? I’ve done Auras and standard RXs as spoilerons but no as3x yet.
@@kmatch1 Check into my setup videos. You'll get a good bit of info on this.
is there a good plastic prop for this plane
13x6 APC works well.
Great stuff, Bro. Do you ever compete or perform at RC events?
Thanks! I'm nowhere near good enough to compete. I'd have to get a routine going and practice constantly before I could consider thinking about it.
@@TwoBrosRC Well, I'm sure you could do well, but also you may prefer doing just what you are, bringing RC Aerobatics for your viewers and subscribers in the community to enjoy, which is great. Fly on!
Is it possible to modify this in order to install a smoke system?
Probably not.
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Will this flaperon setup work for inverted harriers also or will I need to reverse the flaperon when inverted?
It could, but you're better off doing it without.
Hey Jon. Need your knowledge. I can't live without Flaperons. Have them programmed into all my scratch built airplanes. Question. I just bought an AeroScout with an "AR631" receiver. Just like the EXTRA 300. I know I'll have to go in and change the wing type to the Flaperon setting on my Spectrum transmitter to activate the Flaperons. Is that what you did to give you the Flaperon option on your EXTRA. I made the Big mistake of putting an AR631 Receiver from a wrecked RV-7 onto a scratch built airplane which was an immediate catastrophic failure. Didn't clear the factory RV-7 SETTINGS. On the AeroScout with the AR631 Receiver, can I go in and change the wing type to the Flaperon setting without disrupting the compatability of the AR631 Receiver to the AeroScout. I hope my question makes since to you. Let me know please. THANKS.
th-cam.com/video/Z_2EOSBRuc0/w-d-xo.html
Here's the setup I fly on that should help you figure out the flaperon wing type. Don't deploy them as flaps with an AeroScout though. You'll want them reflexed upward to act as spoilers which will allow you to bring the model in with a nice flare and still slow it down.
You'll have to reprogram the AR631 in the AeroScout before doing this though. Search for "Unlock AR637TA" on TH-cam.
Did you change stock receiver ?
Yep! I'm using an AR637TA.
@@TwoBrosRC Thank you. I am still on stock AR-636. Fantastic plane. A lots of fun.
What receiver are you using you can’t be using the one that came with it correct. Because that does not support flapetons and if it does how do you get it to work. Then what is that setting where all your control surfaces point up
You can use the stock receiver - you just unlock it and reprogram it. Check our setup guide on the Extra in our long form vids.
@@TwoBrosRC if you could help me when you get a minute to find this video I’ve been looking forever for how to reset this receiver I’ve tried following other peoples directions but it just doesn’t seem to work. Can’t get flaperons to work. Thank you
Join us on Discord via bit.ly/TBRCDiscord and ask in the #tech-and-setup channel!
Where did you end up on the CG?
Right in front of the cockpit. It still flies a bit unstable even 20mm ahead of that point, but it's overall OK.
@@TwoBrosRC I'm running a 4s 3200 and it's still really tail heavy. Disappointing.
@@jeremy7923 Try using a 2200 instead.
@@TwoBrosRC That will make it more tail heavy...
Oh, sorry, I misread. Thought you wrote nose-heavy for some reason. That's why I shouldn't comment at 1am. Yeah, what you could do here is run a pair of 3200 packs in parallel. I've done it before and it definitely tames the model quite a bit.
Your high rates 70% on that plane?
100% rates, 150/-150 travel.
That looks like cgi that’s wikd
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