Yoyoyo can you do a video on race tactics from a breakaway riders perspective. I know a lot of things have to go right for one to stay away. As a triathlete who really feels most comfortable solo riding breakaways are my best chance to win. I've seen a breakaway win when going at the start of the race, middle, and end. Is it just a matter of keep trying and eventually one will stick? The most curious thing about the breakaway for me is the mindset of that rider. If they dig to much the first 10-15 minutes off the front then they can't negative split their watts for the back half of the race. So many factors.. Race distance, group dynamics, teams, aero position etc.
There are a couple basic things to note - generally harder courses (technical and windy) favor breakaways while easy courses favor a field sprint. Sometimes a break just isn't going to work. Second, knowing when to attack is key, ideally at a time when people can't follow, either because you're going too fast for them to chase, the course is too technical at that point, or they don't have the legs.
it isnt always a negative split and they are mostly not watching their watt's. tips: know if/what the big teams are, if the big teams are in the break you should try to be in it try to be in a group not solo, if you have no sprint than wait for the last 3-5 km's and attack from the break if you do it earlier you risk to make the break disfunction try to do a smooth as posible rolling system with the break know where to attack, crosswind, hills, technical section , when the peleton slows down if the peleton lets you go, dont go all out make sure to leave something in the tank so when they accelerate at the end for the sprint finish to catch the break you can press on the stay in front know that if you stay a couple of seconds in front of the peleton you loose your energy and are screwed
Hey Jeff! - Your NorCal buddy Scott Leahey (SJBC) was in town last week here in Chicago, and rode with us on our weekly Wednesday night fast group ride. Strong dude and a standup chap! Naturally I had to shout you out 👍
I’d like this too, although…I feel like the better option is for us to find our local high-level racers and ask them in person. I have the feeling this is one of those things that people who don’t race would look at and say “you shouldn’t do that, it’s racing dirty”.
@@romankilun1527 Overall a nice intro to racing for beginners would be a good video. I feel there are a lot of viewers, myself included, who are keener cyclists looking to possibly get into racing, but worried about crashes.
AS ALWAYS - the most enjoyable content, thank you :) Can't take my eyes off the action that going on and your Commenting makes it so good, like I feel totally inside race - in it literally (Y) Huge thumbs up!
To those commenting about “the rider in black.” That’s Steve Reaney…he’s in his 50s and finished 5th/60. Yeah he got argy-bargy with the Ride Bikes dude, but they were both riding within their abilities. What was scarier was all the tire blowouts in the rain gutters causing riders to straighten up or suddenly lose a ton of speed at pinch points.
ouch! what a great finish though. Great to see you back firing. I was going to go to Intelligentsia but can't anymore. Hopefully you'll have lots of content I can live through! the second to last right turn i thought you MIGHT have had a spot to jump ahead of Tobin. at the 9:36 mark. If you punched it on the right, gone a little tighter. Seemed a bit "better" than the spot you called out. But I'm also sitting on a couch watching this lol and as you said, you could have gone out, Tobin see you and get closer to the wheel ahead, and then you're screwed 'cause you'd have lost your spot. I don't think changing the last lap strategy would be worth it if you could.
@@Joshua-dx7zn He wasnt! I wish he would have been though! Sorry, I may have mistyped my comment. haha. Chris Reikart was there though which was cool to see.
Any tips for a recreational rider looking to get into racing? I'd love to race but very worried about crashes. Those corners with everyone so close makes me nervous. Like say I'm beside another guy on his outside...what's to say he doesn't turn wide and chop me off?
@NorCalCycling This was my first time racing this race, Didn't know how fast an technical this course was BUT I know now how to race this course.. Needless to say this is one of those "you had to be there" course
How to speed up my hybrid bike? :( wheels are probably 26". maybe should try to put larger ones, and there is a way to set a higher gear :/. I barely reach 40 km/h , but my legs must spin like a bee wings.
nice editing, appreciate the overlays and how you compress the video for the important highlights. video lenght also is good not too long and not too short. keep it up
We are seeing less and less races in WA state. Might have been 6 up here with a couple stage races. It's a problem. What are your thoughts on moving to closed motorsports race track environment for weekend races?
We don’t have “club level” circuits nearby. The closest tracks are Sears Point (or whatever it’s called now) and Laguna Seca. Both would be very expensive to book for bike races. Pacific Raceways up in WA and Austin’s Driveway Series simply aren’t feasible down here. We used to have once a month office park crits in Livermore, but there was drama with that promoter and those are gone.
wow. strava says my top speed going down a long steep hill was 68kph and I remember almost pissing my pants. and this guy did 70+ going uphill.... these guys are monsters
Mr. Silver Fox on Cognition got that "I just turned 50 and I'm not paying $2500/month getting juiced to the gills with 'testosterone replacement therapy' so I can get pushed around by the Ride Bikes Bros" kind of energy.
Like i say i dont thk wiyth aa huge gap you should drag anybody to the linre. At l t east slow down and nmakem accelerate. Even if you cant shake them off yout wheel. Aft the least you make yhem work for it. But then what do i know..
8:00 i don’t understand too well especially if they are the top team why are you just giving up the wheel due to the unspoken rule? If you’re in a situation like you are all alone why not take it?
I love that you have the KPH on your overlay for international watchers. Great channel. 👍
Cycling should be universally metric.
@@djconnel no
Thank you
Yoyoyo can you do a video on race tactics from a breakaway riders perspective. I know a lot of things have to go right for one to stay away. As a triathlete who really feels most comfortable solo riding breakaways are my best chance to win. I've seen a breakaway win when going at the start of the race, middle, and end. Is it just a matter of keep trying and eventually one will stick? The most curious thing about the breakaway for me is the mindset of that rider. If they dig to much the first 10-15 minutes off the front then they can't negative split their watts for the back half of the race. So many factors.. Race distance, group dynamics, teams, aero position etc.
There are a couple basic things to note - generally harder courses (technical and windy) favor breakaways while easy courses favor a field sprint. Sometimes a break just isn't going to work. Second, knowing when to attack is key, ideally at a time when people can't follow, either because you're going too fast for them to chase, the course is too technical at that point, or they don't have the legs.
it isnt always a negative split and they are mostly not watching their watt's.
tips:
know if/what the big teams are, if the big teams are in the break you should try to be in it
try to be in a group not solo, if you have no sprint than wait for the last 3-5 km's and attack from the break if you do it earlier you risk to make the break disfunction
try to do a smooth as posible rolling system with the break
know where to attack, crosswind, hills, technical section , when the peleton slows down
if the peleton lets you go, dont go all out make sure to leave something in the tank so when they accelerate at the end for the sprint finish to catch the break you can press on the stay in front
know that if you stay a couple of seconds in front of the peleton you loose your energy and are screwed
Hey Jeff! - Your NorCal buddy Scott Leahey (SJBC) was in town last week here in Chicago, and rode with us on our weekly Wednesday night fast group ride. Strong dude and a standup chap! Naturally I had to shout you out 👍
The best race video channel out there!
The video quality or editing, including the rear camera, seems extra clear. Awesome race!
Could you do a video on how to (safely) fight for position, steal, and protect wheels? And how to practice that.
I’d like this too, although…I feel like the better option is for us to find our local high-level racers and ask them in person. I have the feeling this is one of those things that people who don’t race would look at and say “you shouldn’t do that, it’s racing dirty”.
We can do that! good idea. Lets do it Jeff.
@@romankilun1527 Overall a nice intro to racing for beginners would be a good video. I feel there are a lot of viewers, myself included, who are keener cyclists looking to possibly get into racing, but worried about crashes.
Sick racing with you, good wheel to follow for the finale couple laps (I was the dude who got 4th).
Great race Jeff! I was marshal in turn one. Your team did a good job bringing back Mike from Project 74 at just the right time.
Honestly watched probably a 90% of vids on your channel and that one has to be one of my favourites, great race and that photofinish legendary
AS ALWAYS - the most enjoyable content, thank you :) Can't take my eyes off the action that going on and your Commenting makes it so good, like I feel totally inside race - in it literally (Y) Huge thumbs up!
Underrated cycling channel!!!
@NorCal Cycling Wow, great punch at the finish, Jeff! So you're back in great shape! Well done!
I love the Watsonville crit! I lost many times there. Honestly all my losses blur together but that was always one of my favorite losses.
Amazing race, huge top speed going up hill, and heart rate at the end. Well done!
To those commenting about “the rider in black.” That’s Steve Reaney…he’s in his 50s and finished 5th/60. Yeah he got argy-bargy with the Ride Bikes dude, but they were both riding within their abilities. What was scarier was all the tire blowouts in the rain gutters causing riders to straighten up or suddenly lose a ton of speed at pinch points.
What a race, wow! Still a great result.
ouch! what a great finish though. Great to see you back firing. I was going to go to Intelligentsia but can't anymore. Hopefully you'll have lots of content I can live through! the second to last right turn i thought you MIGHT have had a spot to jump ahead of Tobin. at the 9:36 mark. If you punched it on the right, gone a little tighter. Seemed a bit "better" than the spot you called out. But I'm also sitting on a couch watching this lol and as you said, you could have gone out, Tobin see you and get closer to the wheel ahead, and then you're screwed 'cause you'd have lost your spot. I don't think changing the last lap strategy would be worth it if you could.
That was soo much fun to watch in person!
Awesome video! Would have loved to see you race in Roanoke, VA at the Amateur Road Nationals with the other Mike's Bikes guys a couple weeks ago!
Didn't realize Jeff was down there. I would have tried to come and see him race. The 4 hour drive would have been worth it.
@@Joshua-dx7zn He wasnt! I wish he would have been though! Sorry, I may have mistyped my comment. haha. Chris Reikart was there though which was cool to see.
@@jaredladia That was my mistake, re-reading your comment, it kind of says he wasn't there. Where did the race take place in Roanoke?
Great sprint Jeff, that was quite an effort. Lots of sketchy riding that whole race too.
Lots of Watts in Watsonville! Nice Race!
3:10 that cinelli tho 😍
Pro tip. Make sure you have a long egg shaped front wheel so you win every bike throw.
Awesome! makes me want to get out there!
Great video as usual!
That blue Cinelli looks so damn good!
Grats Jeff! Still a very good battle!
awesome vid
What's going on with the almost 180 in wind vectors? 4:06 vs 4:08
Second one is correct
@@NorCalCycling Thanks
Damn, you did incredibly well to get that close the end. Talk about emptying the tank...
Like the speed for the watts is insane
With such good position Tobin didn’t even sprint at the end
Please talk about your cycling shoes the bont vapor S. I beg
Coming from Bilibili, great job my man!
Donald!!!! I see you!
Any tips for a recreational rider looking to get into racing? I'd love to race but very worried about crashes. Those corners with everyone so close makes me nervous. Like say I'm beside another guy on his outside...what's to say he doesn't turn wide and chop me off?
@NorCalCycling This was my first time racing this race, Didn't know how fast an technical this course was BUT I know now how to race this course.. Needless to say this is one of those "you had to be there" course
More than half the field DNP’d including all but three cat 3s. Deceptively hard course because of the drainage.
How to speed up my hybrid bike? :( wheels are probably 26". maybe should try to put larger ones, and there is a way to set a higher gear :/. I barely reach 40 km/h , but my legs must spin like a bee wings.
nice editing, appreciate the overlays and how you compress the video for the important highlights. video lenght also is good not too long and not too short. keep it up
The Terun guys were dropping like flies, maybe too many deserts. 😝
Zac, Zack, Travis, Jacob, etc. weren’t there.
We are seeing less and less races in WA state. Might have been 6 up here with a couple stage races. It's a problem. What are your thoughts on moving to closed motorsports race track environment for weekend races?
We don’t have “club level” circuits nearby. The closest tracks are Sears Point (or whatever it’s called now) and Laguna Seca. Both would be very expensive to book for bike races. Pacific Raceways up in WA and Austin’s Driveway Series simply aren’t feasible down here. We used to have once a month office park crits in Livermore, but there was drama with that promoter and those are gone.
wow. strava says my top speed going down a long steep hill was 68kph and I remember almost pissing my pants. and this guy did 70+ going uphill.... these guys are monsters
Any tips for a first Cat 5 race?
Love your vidios keep it upp
You never disappoint us.
Close!!!
Do you ride bigger tires for a track like this?
28mm tubeless is ideal for this course. A lot of 25mm clinchers going KA-POW on Saturday.
Nice race
Look at that dodgy-ass finish line haha
Mr. Silver Fox on Cognition got that "I just turned 50 and I'm not paying $2500/month getting juiced to the gills with 'testosterone replacement therapy' so I can get pushed around by the Ride Bikes Bros" kind of energy.
Looks like you're back
The wind direction changed like crazy ⬆️ ⬇️ 🤣
Do you train people?
1500 wattsss, yay!
💪
70km/h on an uphill? Jesus, that's as fast as i can go on my downhill rides
I thought you made it, loved that the title didn't tell us. Only bug bear with many American TH-cam races they tell you the result in the title
Sooo close!!!!!
if you were on a s-works tarmac sl7 you would have won :)
Damn exposed front cables.
Are you guys all juiced?
Like i say i dont thk wiyth aa huge gap you should drag anybody to the linre. At l t east slow down and nmakem accelerate. Even if you cant shake them off yout wheel. Aft the least you make yhem work for it.
But then what do i know..
s work bike is insane
8:00 i don’t understand too well especially if they are the top team why are you just giving up the wheel due to the unspoken rule? If you’re in a situation like you are all alone why not take it?
🤯🤯 🤯
Noob question here. Why don't you ever see 2 (or more?) leadout trains in a crit like you do in world-tour sprint stages?
I only need a few inches... 😆
It took 7-8 people to beat you guys, a group of 3.
Beat by a Tarmac :( I'm kidding. Well done!
i only needed a few inches.... yeh thats the story of my life lol
Go the SL7
dang
Great racing as always Jeff and team Mike’s Bikes! Thanks for the discount on the man-scaper also, I’ll think of you every time I shave my balls
noice.
Hey i think you can win that if u didn't let tobin get in front of u...... But still nice tactic and patience.... Good luck nx tym
well someone was certainly feeling extra aggressive... geez... 🙄
nooooooo the ad :(
Bla blaH
to many fools watching the tour
shit move doing that at 55kph
hey guy in the black, go ahead and message me so i can tell you why you shouldnt be racing