My cousin gave me GUY tape when I was 17 . I learned every song on this album and I always wondered where they guy was on the cover because he wasn’t in the videos. Over the years and the internet I was able to find out about Timmy Gatlin. I’m glad God kept this brother good through the years
I'm very happy I finally hear this. I was a super Guy fan back in the late 80's - early 90's. Always wondered what happened. Love that New Jack swing era
Halftime Chat, I really appreciate your professionalism. Your interviews are always smooth and mellow. We actually get a full understanding of the particular artist that's being featured. And that is so rare nowadays. Continue being a light. Blessings, Brother.
He said he wrote it when Gene and the guys kept questioning his relationship with his now wife and wanting to settle down before the group came out. Three reasons why Gene Griffin wanted Timmy out of the group 1. He didn't sign up his publishing 2. He questioned everything Gene was doing 3. He had a committed relationship and Gene saw this as a distraction for the image of a boy group getting female fans
@@HalftimeChat Wow...that is koo. You can tell by the lyrics it was personal. What you mentioned and the background makes me like it even more 💯💪🏾 I also feel like the writing skills of the songs from Guy diminished after Timmy G left the group.
Wow!!! "You can call me crazy" is my favorite song from that album and now really listening to it based off the interview I can hear Al B Sure also carrying the chorus hook of the song.
If people can recall, look at the front cover of the debut album, GUY, It's TIM GATLING, AARON HALL, and TEDDY RILEY. In the official video " Groove Me", that's when you see, Aaron's brother DAMON HALL on the drums.
Timmy Catling had his hands in that song called Make You Sweat song and single by Keith Sweat second album I'll Give All My Love To You in 1990 💯🎤🎶🔥🔈🔉🔊
Very insightful story behind the mysterious dismissal of Timmy Gatling. Now we finally have more clarity of his odd disappearance during the release of Guy's debut album...as well as to why there's two different album covers for the album. Not to take anything away from the talented Damion Hall, but, for a fact R&B fans were selfishly deprived from hearing more of Timmy Gatling's voice, and seeing him perform. Sorry to hear what Brother Timmy been through while pursuing his music career in those crazy late 80's days. Experience is the best teacher for us all!! Thanks "Halftime Chat" for another Unsung Untold story. 💯💯💯💯
Thank you. I wasn't happy with Teddy for constantly changing the narrative even after all this time. This is the first time he said Timmy and Aaron used to fight and Gene was quite in the corner
@@HalftimeChat An Bahamian elder music-mentor of mine often said "Time will tell." At least Timmy survived any major harm under a potential Judas Iscariot-effect. It's a shame what a little fame can cost many in turning them spoiled, cold and rotten. Coincidently, my second eldest brother was school mates with Teddy Riley in late 70's early 80's Harlem, NYC. They both attended Intermediate school (I.S 195 aka Roberto Clemente) in Harlem, NYC. He says Teddy was humble and always smiled. Sadly after Ronald Reagan won Presidency in 1981, necessary funding for many programs, as music, were cut from the budget, which I've personally felt the sore effects of as a child in Harlem in early 80's. Thankfully my awesome parents transferred us to betters school in lower Manhattan (Greenwich Village) then later Chelsea, where music lessons and music theory was standardly taught...where we couldn't fully receive in Harlem. Again, Let the Truth be told, and let it stand for Truth always.
@@TheeSymphonysCultureChannel excellently put. Timmy Gatling suffered for many years after losing the group he founded but he is still happily married to his wife and has amazing children and is the only one who owns the publishing rights to the Guy songs. He approves or rejects sample requests. He turned to faith and is able to forgive everyone and his interview was a way to let go
@@HalftimeChat It's great to hear Timmy Gatling owns his publishing. History school of Sam Cooke showed us all the light. Michael Jackson, Prince and many others stood strong on their square. Halftime Chat Channel is in the Top 5...to help preserve and keep our musical history and stories alive. Thanks again. 💯💯💯💯💯💯
😏 I think as time has passed, Teddy has the bigger name (deservingly), but Timmy has had the more blessed life. If anyone was to watch this whole interview, you’ll know why I say that. BIG UP TIMMY!!! 👍🏾
Man, where do we even begin! So, on Vlad Teddy says Timmy just left in the middle of song and said good luck to them. I had a feeling that story wasn't complete as Timmy seems to be filling in the blanks now.
Teddy Riley be lying about his part in the situation. Teddy didn't mind Gene robbing everyone because he could produce for everyone, but when Gene started taking more of Teddy money he started fighting back.
Vocally, “You Can Call Me Crazy” is Al B Sure’s song. All of the vocal trademarks he became famous for is on that song. I can’t distinguish Guy other than the New Jack Sound on this record. I hear Al’s background vocal harmony refrains prominently all through that song. On the other hand when I hear Aaron Hall sing lead on a track I know, unmistakably it’s Aaron Hall.
@@HalftimeChat Teddy answer doesn’t even make sense Timmy left after that amazing song by the way my favorite song on the that classic Album that changed Music .He didn’t even question so a bogus answer .Teddys interview just makes your channel look better that’s all
That’s good, but there are times when you have to stand up against bs from people. There are ways to discuss matters without seeming confrontational. Teddy is hella talented but doesn’t seem to have much of a backbone, and that’s hard to fathom being that he grew up in Harlem.
I think at this point, Teddy needs to do an exclusive Halftime 2 or 3 Part interview. It almost feels like these others interviews have been leading up to it. This would be huge.
I’m appreciate Teddy’s contributions the music game but i knew he wasn’t being truthful when he said in the vlad interview Timmy just walked into the studio out of the blue and says i’m quitting right before the album dropped 🫠
So disappointed with Teddy after all these years to make it seem like Timmy and Aaron didn't get along so Timmy decided to leave Guy just before they blew up 🤔
i think teddy riley has this thing where he doesnt wish to talk badly about people but it is what it is gene did some grimey things and it def has to told straight no chaser, i believe timmy gatling
Divide and conquer. Not to make excuses by any means but it sounds like Aaron and Teddy got strong-armed or sweet-talked into a deal which ultimately not only cost them their publishing but friendship with Timmy. Another classic case of young people being taken advantage of in this business by sneaky snakes like Griffin. I wish Aaron, Teddy, Timmy and Damion could all get together hash it out once and for all. It'll probably not happen any time soon. God bless you Brother Gatling, thank you for all the great music! Giving you your flowers while you're here.
Very true, they saw the lights and didn't stop to think. They were already signed to Uptown Records and didn't need Gene Griffin but they didn't stick together when needed. th-cam.com/video/TuaGn5TfFAA/w-d-xo.html
Good Morning You hit it on the nail. I 1st listened to Timmy's interview in 2008 and he spoke about this back then. Plus many executives and managers don't like it when people, especially young people are business savy and knows how to read contracts. When they learn that artists knows how to read contracts they know they can't take advantage of them so that's why Gene did what he did. he knew that he couldn't get over on Timmy. Even fans would love to see all 4 Guy members do a reunion tour
@@MUSICENCYLOPEDIA Right you are. I think I remember that interview as well. I can't remember who said it, but I once heard or read someone saying something to the effect of "the more you know about the music business, the harder it becomes to make it in it". These executives seem to basically bank on you not knowing your stuff so they promise you the world in exchange for literally all of your rights. I've heard some very disappointing things about Teddy in these interviews, but yet even though I don't know him from Adam, I still don't get the feeling that he's truly a bad guy - assuming any of it is true. I think he's only learned one way to survive in the industry and unfortunately he's paying forward all the sleaziness that he himself has been taught. Again, not to make excuses, but it's such a dog eat dog business and even with all he's accomplished, he's still a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things. I wish he'd come on to this channel and give HIS side of things.
@@mindyabiznessthatsalljustm8134 Thanks. Christopher Williams said that executives don't like when artists knows how to read contracts. After he signed with Uptown and released his album, Changes it got great reviews but towards the late spring and early summer he got tired of not getting calls returns about promotion and when he showed the executives that his contract said that he was supposed to get promotion, paid a certain amount of money and get publicity he was told that the real reason he was signed was to beef up publicity for Mary J Blige and Jodeci's upcoming releases. That's when he went to their offices and destroyed property. Teddy did later learn how grimy Gene was and when Guy was promoting their 2nd album he and Aaron spoke about getting jerked and robbed by Gene and the management which resulted in them dissing Gene on two songs. Even Boy George wrote about his experiences working with Teddy in his memoirs. He wrote that Teddy was cool and pleasant when Gene wasn't hogging the oxygen and space and that he had wanted to write with Teddy but that didn't happen due to Gene. By Teddy and Aaron getting away from Gene they were able to thrive creatively and professionally. Teddy revealed that after he worked on MJ's Dangerous album, MJ asked him to be a part of the marketing team due to his talent and ear on the street
@@jonjones7137 Look here if you didn't watch American Soul. Then you don't know what I mean. Gene lived in my home town and we know he was shady. And the significance is listening to Tim or Teddy they are talking about the things Gene did to them that was shady.
I love Teddy, but Teddy has ALWAYS given bad interviews an almost no one cosigns his interviews. That includes the written, audio and video interviews by everyone from Heavy D, to Aaron Hall from Guy, to Damion Hall from Guy, to Chauncey from Blackstreet, to Keith Sweat, etc. IDK if Teddy is lying, if he uses drugs, if he is delusional or if he just forgets. There are a few other musical geniuses that I can think of who repeatedly give horrible interviews or inaccurate information in their interviews; R.I.P. Bernie Worrell, Marley Marl and Rakim. But Rakim is getting better an his book was fantastic. I think Rakim is a written word kind of guy more so than an spontaneous conversation type guy. I wish I knew what Teddy's interview problem was, because I've been in love with his work since Kids At Work - Singing Hey yeah.
This sounds legit.. Teddy's interviews has him playing the victim all the time. My thing is if we boys and I see the cliff you should make sure I don't fall off. You can't sit back and say I thought u saw the cliff.
He is from harlem on Morningside? I think I remember him seeing as a kid with two of the most beautiful I have every seen as a mom walking pass Dougie fresh house! I had to be like 11-12 I will never forget him if that was him! I think he grew up in KK building
@@HalftimeChat thanks for having me. As a recording engineer I would like to hear about the equipment the artist/producer used. It makes all the difference in the world. Teddy and I used Roland S-330’s for sampling. It was a very magical time. Fred Hammons used an AKAI S-1000 along with my S-330 Mario Winans used his MPC 60 sampled from my S-330 the sound on those records were off the freakin meter. Amex 499 tape 🔥🔥🔥
You knew it was messy . Everyone outside of like who this on the cover when the videos showed a different member . Harlem and some parts of NYC was like that is Tim but no real reasoning why members changed unless you really was in that circle.
Im 47yrs young, and grew up in the new jack era. And i NEVER EVEN HEARD of this guy until Teddy on Vlad interview.. didnt know he was even a part of guy...
He was the guy on the album cover not Damion Hall 🤭 Timmy Gatling started Guy and invited Teddy Riley to join plus he wrote all the songs while Teddy put music to the songs. His Full interview is here th-cam.com/video/TuaGn5TfFAA/w-d-xo.html
According to Teddy (Uncensored) he only received $1500 for Keith Sweat's 1st album and he's never received royalties for any of his work w/ Keith Sweat.
AMAZING Teddy Allowed Gene Who Wasn't Shit but a Suge Knight No Talent just Exploits Talent to Come between He & Timmy. 🤔. Then 3yrs Later oN "Gotta Be a Leader" Teddy is Dissing Gene! 🤔
In regards to Gene's involvement on separating Aaron and Teddy from Timmy, i'd probably run with a mix of candy and strong arm, and knowing Gene's rep, a heavy bias on the strong arm....
I got the first Guy album,I heard that album so many times it's not funny. It took years for me to buy the album because at the time I was a hip hop type dude mostly even though I had some r/b in my music collection. I didn't really start getting into r/b until later on down the line,so round my early to mid thirty's I started buying hip hop and r/b. Now I have a mixture of everything,r/b,hip hop,jazz,trap,funk,soul, gospel,a little rock music. The older I get the more I want to listen to other types of music.
Timmy was referring to an act who wrote and produced their entire album without the need of the label. Guy, and Al B Sure on Uptown at the time. Heavy D had Teddy riley co-produced his first album
Timmy Gatling is the only one who owns publishing rights from the Guy album because unlike Teddy Riley and Aaron Hall, he didn't sign away to Gene Griffin
If I'm not your lover. Al B Sure and Kyle West have said in recent interviews that Teddy co-produced the entire album but when Gene Griffin came into the scenes Andre Harrell didn't give Teddy any album credit to avoid Gene Griffin causing more trouble after beating him up at the Uptown Records office
For one, I wonder why this is an issue now?! After all these years. Well after Andre has passed and is not able to give a neutral recollection of what happened. Both Teddy and this man here have their own memories of what happened. Everyone lives a different life, so not everyone will recall things the exact same. I will say, this man must not understand audio engineering and production. You can record ANYWHERE on a song. Your vocals can then be placed elsewhere along that beat. As long as the melody, tempo, and pitch all match the beat backing. Even in those times that was extremely possible!🤷🏾♂️
He wrote all the songs on the Guy album. He heard Aaron Hall singing and they started Guy and asked Teddy to produce for them before he eventually joined. He came up with the name of the Guy and image. Now he's the only one who owns publishing rights and approves sampling of the songs because he refused to sign the contract that Gene Griffin put forward to gain control of the group. How would you feel if something you started takes off without you and becomes one of the biggest groups around and you miss out? You don't forget the story because it was one of the worst moments of his life. th-cam.com/video/TuaGn5TfFAA/w-d-xo.html
@@HalftimeChat You can definitely hear the difference in the first GUY album and the later ones. The first one had the best songs . But it's not too late. lol .
The manager Gene Griffin pushed Timmy Gatling out of Guy when he refused to sign up his publishing rights. Teddy and Aaron didn't fight for Timmy Gatling against their manager
I don't believe for one second that teddy only received $1,500 for doing Kieth sweats album. When he went from a volleswagon that summer to a 500 SL drop top Black Benz.🤣
@@HalftimeChat it's curious how many entertainers in the 👿 Controlled industry 👿 end up miserable 😖 broke or Dead like Tupac after signing those ☢️ CONtracts 🧐
@@erinmeggik391 two different things Artists who are young get put on bad contracts and end up with little money or publishing. Others are offered the opportunity to become global stars for a price. Those are the ones who sell out. If you speak about what is happening you get blacklisted or disappear.
@@erinmeggik391 then watch Jacci McGhee who sang on Make it last forever " with Keith Sweat. She shares how Beyonce, Lizzo and Cardi B became superstars th-cam.com/video/pAJtgxYUIjw/w-d-xo.html
He was never a solo artist. He gave his best tracks to BBD, Christopher Williams, and Keith Sweat. He had to release the album while still hurting from losing his group.
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Timmy told this story the same over the years it hasn’t changed. I believe him.
So do I (believe him).
Timmy Gatling was producing some hot tracks for BBD back in 1990 also; When Will I See You Smile Again? and I Do Need You! Love your work...
Yes as well as Keith Sweat "Make you Sweat" Christopher Williams and others
Wow didn’t know that
I didn't know that Timmy produced When Will I See You Smile Again? That is one of my favorite BBD records.
@@shadowmixx also "I do need you" and "Promises" for Christopher Williams
@@HalftimeChat Wow! Cool.
My cousin gave me GUY tape when I was 17 . I learned every song on this album and I always wondered where they guy was on the cover because he wasn’t in the videos. Over the years and the internet I was able to find out about Timmy Gatlin. I’m glad God kept this brother good through the years
Timmy Gatling is a DOPE Artist, Producer, Writer!! Definitely one of the PIONEERS of New Jack Swing!!!
ABSOLUTELY!!
Timmy Gatling is to Teddy riley as Andre Cymone is to Prince,that cat was there from jump,consistent, respect
love it...so true
An unsung and tremendously underappreciated New Jack pioneer is Timmy Gatling!
👍🏾Timmy should have an Unsung episode about how he started Guy, how he was ousted, and how he overcame and still had success in the end.
I'm very happy I finally hear this. I was a super Guy fan back in the late 80's - early 90's. Always wondered what happened. Love that New Jack swing era
Halftime Chat, I really appreciate your professionalism. Your interviews are always smooth and mellow. We actually get a full understanding of the particular artist that's being featured. And that is so rare nowadays. Continue being a light. Blessings, Brother.
Thank you for your kind words 😊🙏🏾
"My Business" is pure GOLD, Timmy kilt that track🔥 I was 14yrs old in 88'. That song spoke to me at the time,lyrics were real spill💯
He said he wrote it when Gene and the guys kept questioning his relationship with his now wife and wanting to settle down before the group came out.
Three reasons why Gene Griffin wanted Timmy out of the group
1. He didn't sign up his publishing
2. He questioned everything Gene was doing
3. He had a committed relationship and Gene saw this as a distraction for the image of a boy group getting female fans
@@HalftimeChat Wow...that is koo. You can tell by the lyrics it was personal. What you mentioned and the background makes me like it even more 💯💪🏾
I also feel like the writing skills of the songs from Guy diminished after Timmy G left the group.
Wow!!! "You can call me crazy" is my favorite song from that album and now really listening to it based off the interview I can hear Al B Sure also carrying the chorus hook of the song.
That was the jam!
People definitely slept on that one!
@@MG-xy2sd Word! Outstanding jam off the album, imao.
@@MG-xy2sd Good Morning You Can Call Me Crazy and Piece of My Love was huge radio hits. The label slept on those songs.
Class of '87, this is my era. VERY insightful interview....Preciate u!!
Thank you thank you 😊
If people can recall, look at the front cover of the debut album, GUY, It's TIM GATLING, AARON HALL, and TEDDY RILEY. In the official video " Groove Me", that's when you see, Aaron's brother DAMON HALL on the drums.
I was always confused about what Tim and Damien contributed. On the surface it just looked like Damien played electric drums and danced.
Timmy Catling had his hands in that song called Make You Sweat song and single by Keith Sweat second album I'll Give All My Love To You in 1990 💯🎤🎶🔥🔈🔉🔊
Gene’s greed fck’ed everything up.
New Jack swing was that deal and Timmy should be in a much bigger place in history.
Very insightful story behind the mysterious dismissal of Timmy Gatling. Now we finally have more clarity of his odd disappearance during the release of Guy's debut album...as well as to why there's two different album covers for the album. Not to take anything away from the talented Damion Hall, but, for a fact R&B fans were selfishly deprived from hearing more of Timmy Gatling's voice, and seeing him perform. Sorry to hear what Brother Timmy been through while pursuing his music career in those crazy late 80's days. Experience is the best teacher for us all!! Thanks "Halftime Chat" for another Unsung Untold story. 💯💯💯💯
Thank you. I wasn't happy with Teddy for constantly changing the narrative even after all this time. This is the first time he said Timmy and Aaron used to fight and Gene was quite in the corner
@@HalftimeChat An Bahamian elder music-mentor of mine often said "Time will tell." At least Timmy survived any major harm under a potential Judas Iscariot-effect. It's a shame what a little fame can cost many in turning them spoiled, cold and rotten. Coincidently, my second eldest brother was school mates with Teddy Riley in late 70's early 80's Harlem, NYC. They both attended Intermediate school (I.S 195 aka Roberto Clemente) in Harlem, NYC. He says Teddy was humble and always smiled. Sadly after Ronald Reagan won Presidency in 1981, necessary funding for many programs, as music, were cut from the budget, which I've personally felt the sore effects of as a child in Harlem in early 80's. Thankfully my awesome parents transferred us to betters school in lower Manhattan (Greenwich Village) then later Chelsea, where music lessons and music theory was standardly taught...where we couldn't fully receive in Harlem. Again, Let the Truth be told, and let it stand for Truth always.
@@TheeSymphonysCultureChannel excellently put. Timmy Gatling suffered for many years after losing the group he founded but he is still happily married to his wife and has amazing children and is the only one who owns the publishing rights to the Guy songs. He approves or rejects sample requests. He turned to faith and is able to forgive everyone and his interview was a way to let go
@@HalftimeChat It's great to hear Timmy Gatling owns his publishing. History school of Sam Cooke showed us all the light. Michael Jackson, Prince and many others stood strong on their square. Halftime Chat Channel is in the Top 5...to help preserve and keep our musical history and stories alive. Thanks again. 💯💯💯💯💯💯
@@TheeSymphonysCultureChannel blessed and humbled 🙏🏾
😏 I think as time has passed, Teddy has the bigger name (deservingly), but Timmy has had the more blessed life. If anyone was to watch this whole interview, you’ll know why I say that. BIG UP TIMMY!!! 👍🏾
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Man, where do we even begin! So, on Vlad Teddy says Timmy just left in the middle of song and said good luck to them. I had a feeling that story wasn't complete as Timmy seems to be filling in the blanks now.
That was my biggest disappointment with what Teddy said after all the hurt Timmy went through
Teddy rarely tells the truth about anything but he's a Master at playing innocent.
Teddy Riley be lying about his part in the situation. Teddy didn't mind Gene robbing everyone because he could produce for everyone, but when Gene started taking more of Teddy money he started fighting back.
Very sad
Woww
Vocally, “You Can Call Me Crazy” is Al B Sure’s song. All of the vocal trademarks he became famous for is on that song. I can’t distinguish Guy other than the New Jack Sound on this record. I hear Al’s background vocal harmony refrains prominently all through that song. On the other hand when I hear Aaron Hall sing lead on a track I know, unmistakably it’s Aaron Hall.
I always thought You Can Call Me Crazy was a slightly faster Groove Me..🤷🏿♂️🔥🔥
Teddy should have come to halftime to do the Interview. Vlad doesn’t know R and B like halftime does . Plus they are always change our history
Teddy has been refusing to do the interview with me since I interviewed Timmy Gatling, Blackstreet and his former producers
Teddy lying timmy and aaron got along timmy brought aaron in the group
@@HalftimeChat Teddy answer doesn’t even make sense Timmy left after that amazing song by the way my favorite song on the that classic Album that changed Music .He didn’t even question so a bogus answer .Teddys interview just makes your channel look better that’s all
@@HalftimeChat Wow! I love Teddy, but that kind of attitude says a lot.
@@HalftimeChat Damn. That says it all.
Hey man...this is reel talk folks . Thanks for the dirty low down Mr. Gatling and continued success nice job layin back Mr. Okoye.
😊 thanks 🙏🏾
If you know Teddy Riley, he doesn't like conflict of any kind. He doesn't talk bad, or bring negative energy to himself.
That’s good, but there are times when you have to stand up against bs from people. There are ways to discuss matters without seeming confrontational. Teddy is hella talented but doesn’t seem to have much of a backbone, and that’s hard to fathom being that he grew up in Harlem.
Omg Timothy Gatlin. Yes. The last track on album also.
I think at this point, Teddy needs to do an exclusive Halftime 2 or 3 Part interview. It almost feels like these others interviews have been leading up to it. This would be huge.
He was first on my list and even recently. However, I think he hasn't been happy with my interviews with Blackstreet and his former producers
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I love Teddy but if that is the case, he need to stop 🙄
They did him a favor. Teddy and the rest of Guy later realized they were getting ripped off
Great interview. I still do not understand why Timmy was kicked out of the group. I wish Timmy all of the best!
He was kicked out because he refused to sign up his publishing rights to the manager Gene Griffin. Aaron Hall and Teddy Riley already signed up.
Guy, great group back in the day
I remember him well great interview and enlightenment!
Thank you 😊🙏🏾
Good move to take that one back. It was a top three song off that first album, loved that song!
I’m appreciate Teddy’s contributions the music game but i knew he wasn’t being truthful when he said in the vlad interview Timmy just walked into the studio out of the blue and says i’m quitting right before the album dropped 🫠
Who does that, you wait all your life for the break then leave. Timmy cried and struggled for a longtime especially as Guy blew up without him
@@HalftimeChat 🎯
Mr Gatling ...is who he says he is...Very much a part of the history of Hip Hop and R&B...this interview should have also reviewed his discography...
Check out the full interview with Timmy Gatling
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Glad the y kept it one of the few songs that you can actually hear Tim
A true legend
Wow always wondered what happened to the guy on the album cover. Timothy G.
Dope interview
Thank you 🙏🏾
What Timmy Gatling saying is true he wrote most of the songs what Teddy got credit for
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the first GUY album was the best one.
Great rebuttal to the vlad interview.
So disappointed with Teddy after all these years to make it seem like Timmy and Aaron didn't get along so Timmy decided to leave Guy just before they blew up 🤔
@@HalftimeChat all of these lies are caught on camera😐
I like Teddy but he lies a lot
Timmy Gatling is returning to Halftime Chat to respond
@@HalftimeChat can't wait
i think teddy riley has this thing where he doesnt wish to talk badly about people but it is what it is gene did some grimey things and it def has to told straight no chaser, i believe timmy gatling
TEDDY IS STILL TRYIMG TO COVER UP PARTS OF THE TRUTH
Divide and conquer. Not to make excuses by any means but it sounds like Aaron and Teddy got strong-armed or sweet-talked into a deal which ultimately not only cost them their publishing but friendship with Timmy. Another classic case of young people being taken advantage of in this business by sneaky snakes like Griffin. I wish Aaron, Teddy, Timmy and Damion could all get together hash it out once and for all. It'll probably not happen any time soon. God bless you Brother Gatling, thank you for all the great music! Giving you your flowers while you're here.
Very true, they saw the lights and didn't stop to think. They were already signed to Uptown Records and didn't need Gene Griffin but they didn't stick together when needed.
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Good Morning You hit it on the nail. I 1st listened to Timmy's interview in 2008 and he spoke about this back then. Plus many executives and managers don't like it when people, especially young people are business savy and knows how to read contracts. When they learn that artists knows how to read contracts they know they can't take advantage of them so that's why Gene did what he did. he knew that he couldn't get over on Timmy. Even fans would love to see all 4 Guy members do a reunion tour
@@MUSICENCYLOPEDIA Right you are. I think I remember that interview as well. I can't remember who said it, but I once heard or read someone saying something to the effect of "the more you know about the music business, the harder it becomes to make it in it". These executives seem to basically bank on you not knowing your stuff so they promise you the world in exchange for literally all of your rights. I've heard some very disappointing things about Teddy in these interviews, but yet even though I don't know him from Adam, I still don't get the feeling that he's truly a bad guy - assuming any of it is true. I think he's only learned one way to survive in the industry and unfortunately he's paying forward all the sleaziness that he himself has been taught. Again, not to make excuses, but it's such a dog eat dog business and even with all he's accomplished, he's still a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things. I wish he'd come on to this channel and give HIS side of things.
@@mindyabiznessthatsalljustm8134 Thanks. Christopher Williams said that executives don't like when artists knows how to read contracts. After he signed with Uptown and released his album, Changes it got great reviews but towards the late spring and early summer he got tired of not getting calls returns about promotion and when he showed the executives that his contract said that he was supposed to get promotion, paid a certain amount of money and get publicity he was told that the real reason he was signed was to beef up publicity for Mary J Blige and Jodeci's upcoming releases. That's when he went to their offices and destroyed property. Teddy did later learn how grimy Gene was and when Guy was promoting their 2nd album he and Aaron spoke about getting jerked and robbed by Gene and the management which resulted in them dissing Gene on two songs. Even Boy George wrote about his experiences working with Teddy in his memoirs. He wrote that Teddy was cool and pleasant when Gene wasn't hogging the oxygen and space and that he had wanted to write with Teddy but that didn't happen due to Gene. By Teddy and Aaron getting away from Gene they were able to thrive creatively and professionally. Teddy revealed that after he worked on MJ's Dangerous album, MJ asked him to be a part of the marketing team due to his talent and ear on the street
👀wow now we can clearly see when older groups members try to get back together during the 2020 year why it's hard to get them back together
You Can Call me Crazy. Was my favorite track on that album
I remember seeing Timmy on the cassette tape cover and wondered what happened. I always thought he was the best looking one on the cover. 😁
He too 😅
Gene was very shady from the jump. He is the same Gene Griffin who hung out with Don Cornelius of Soul Train.
What dies that mean he hung with Don Cornelius? What's the significance?
The twin shadys
@@jonjones7137 Look here if you didn't watch American Soul. Then you don't know what I mean. Gene lived in my home town and we know he was shady. And the significance is listening to Tim or Teddy they are talking about the things Gene did to them that was shady.
@@tresasanders7350 Please explain ir tell me where I can find information. I've heard Don Corbelius had some serious demons lurking within
I think they was scared of Gene so they didn't go against him
I love Teddy, but Teddy has ALWAYS given bad interviews an almost no one cosigns his interviews. That includes the written, audio and video interviews by everyone from Heavy D, to Aaron Hall from Guy, to Damion Hall from Guy, to Chauncey from Blackstreet, to Keith Sweat, etc. IDK if Teddy is lying, if he uses drugs, if he is delusional or if he just forgets. There are a few other musical geniuses that I can think of who repeatedly give horrible interviews or inaccurate information in their interviews; R.I.P. Bernie Worrell, Marley Marl and Rakim. But Rakim is getting better an his book was fantastic. I think Rakim is a written word kind of guy more so than an spontaneous conversation type guy. I wish I knew what Teddy's interview problem was, because I've been in love with his work since Kids At Work - Singing Hey yeah.
Have you seen Teddy's interview on Red Bull Music Academy?
😅 I couldn't have said it better myself 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I remember an interview teddy did with Oprah abt him lying abt all these MJ records he claim he produced
Harlem Swag lol
What songs for Michael Jackson do you think Teddy lied about producing?
Great interview 👍🏿
Thank you 😊🙏🏾
This sounds legit.. Teddy's interviews has him playing the victim all the time. My thing is if we boys and I see the cliff you should make sure I don't fall off. You can't sit back and say I thought u saw the cliff.
Guy Should've had Timmy on this 2023 NE EDITION Tour with them. Probably their Last Major Tour they Shall ever have.
i could hear Al on that track from day one
He is from harlem on Morningside? I think I remember him seeing as a kid with two of the most beautiful I have every seen as a mom walking pass Dougie fresh house! I had to be like 11-12 I will never forget him if that was him! I think he grew up in KK building
Great interview
Thank you 😊🙏🏾
I had the pleasure of working with Both of these Brothers when they were working on MJ's project in the early 90's!
* It was Teddy and Bernard Bell
That You Can Call Me Crazy stay in heavy rotation…
🙋🏾♂️ Damn that was (and still is) good music back then.
Just subscribed, this interview is 🔥🔥🔥
Welcome to the community Jerry 🙏🏾
@@HalftimeChat thanks for having me.
As a recording engineer I would like to hear about the equipment the artist/producer used.
It makes all the difference in the world.
Teddy and I used Roland S-330’s for sampling. It was a very magical time.
Fred Hammons used an AKAI S-1000 along with my S-330
Mario Winans used his MPC 60 sampled from my S-330 the sound on those records were off the freakin meter.
Amex 499 tape 🔥🔥🔥
@@mrflynn01 you might enjoy the interviews with some of Teddy's former producers and engineers
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@@HalftimeChat I’m going to watch them all.
@@HalftimeChat, thanks, I will share them.
I’m a big Teddy fan, 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I’d seen this interview when it first dropped,I was sooooo disappointed when Teddy told a different story on vlad smh 🤦🏾♂️
Cool brother Mr timmy gatling his brother is cool to ! I was on a uso tour with them
Fire content as usual
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Damn damn this is a hell of business
You knew it was messy . Everyone outside of like who this on the cover when the videos showed a different member . Harlem and some parts of NYC was like that is Tim but no real reasoning why members changed unless you really was in that circle.
Great channel 👏🏼 man
Thank you very much 🙏🏾
Dude looks like LL cool J in the thumb nail clip
Im 47yrs young, and grew up in the new jack era. And i NEVER EVEN HEARD of this guy until Teddy on Vlad interview.. didnt know he was even a part of guy...
He was the guy on the album cover not Damion Hall 🤭
Timmy Gatling started Guy and invited Teddy Riley to join plus he wrote all the songs while Teddy put music to the songs.
His Full interview is here
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I wondered who that guy was on the album cover🤣🤣
@@jonjones7137 didn't we all 😂😂😂
@@jonjones7137 you know HOW LONG AGO that was...i DONT REM the cover..just the music..🙄🙄🙄
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Right! 😂😂😂😂
According to Teddy (Uncensored) he only received $1500 for Keith Sweat's 1st album and he's never received royalties for any of his work w/ Keith Sweat.
Now that's correct, even Keith Sweat got robbed from that first album
has Timmy produced any songs recently ? Hope he comes back with an album or reforms Guy
Timmy Gatling now runs the urban label label and publishing company for universal music group for south east Asia.
@@HalftimeChat coool !!! :) thanks !! :)
You know thats its true!
No offense on Damion Hall but Tim Gatling was a better fit in the group Guy he can Write✍🏿Produce and Sing hit songs on top of that 🎤🎶💯
Damion Hall is a better singer than Timmy.
Yeah, but when your that gifted at producing, and writing, and a mind to not except anything less, it’s time to move on!
So can teddy
@@columbusohio72 we already know what Teddy could do I'm talking about Damoin Hall
@@columbusohio72 I'm not dissing Damion Hall he can dance his tell off...Tim Gatling wrote songs for other people
I hear Kyle West name alot
He was Al B Sure cousin and did the co-production with Al B Sure under the guidance of Teddy Riley
@@HalftimeChat OH didn't know he was AL cousin....he did Tevin Campbell song too right?
@@CEE662 yes that's right 👍🏽
AMAZING Teddy Allowed Gene Who Wasn't Shit but a Suge Knight No Talent just Exploits Talent to Come between He & Timmy. 🤔. Then 3yrs Later oN "Gotta Be a Leader" Teddy is Dissing Gene! 🤔
In regards to Gene's involvement on separating Aaron and Teddy from Timmy, i'd probably run with a mix of candy and strong arm, and knowing Gene's rep, a heavy bias on the strong arm....
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Time for the Bio-Pic
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They look like brothers
They were best friends growing up
I got the first Guy album,I heard that album so many times it's not funny. It took years for me to buy the album because at the time I was a hip hop type dude mostly even though I had some r/b in my music collection. I didn't really start getting into r/b until later on down the line,so round my early to mid thirty's I started buying hip hop and r/b. Now I have a mixture of everything,r/b,hip hop,jazz,trap,funk,soul, gospel,a little rock music. The older I get the more I want to listen to other types of music.
Timmy if you would of stayed with my Big Cousin Teddy Riley you be a Millionaire right now. Holla!!!
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Wrong Timmy! Finesse & Synquis were on Uptown Back then as well, they came out n 88, shortly after Al B
Timmy was referring to an act who wrote and produced their entire album without the need of the label. Guy, and Al B Sure on Uptown at the time. Heavy D had Teddy riley co-produced his first album
He was smart,guy still hasn't gotten paid for that first album!
Timmy Gatling is the only one who owns publishing rights from the Guy album because unlike Teddy Riley and Aaron Hall, he didn't sign away to Gene Griffin
Yes, he did. They had to pay him in order to put the album out.
What exactly did teddy n Tim do on the first al b sure album, I thought they did the whole thing.
If I'm not your lover.
Al B Sure and Kyle West have said in recent interviews that Teddy co-produced the entire album but when Gene Griffin came into the scenes Andre Harrell didn't give Teddy any album credit to avoid Gene Griffin causing more trouble after beating him up at the Uptown Records office
@@HalftimeChat who beat up who ?????????????????????????????????
Where's the Al b /Kyle west interview ?
Thanks for your response
@@marvin469 the story of Gene Griffin
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Oh wow
What does Damion do in the group he doesn’t write or sing any lead vocals. He does dance but he never does a routine dance with the backup dancers.
Teddy said on Vlad Timmy and Aaron was beefing
That's a new story he added that neither Timmy Gatling or Aaron or Damion have ever mentioned
Keith Sweat and Gene had words over not getting paid for Just Got Paid
And Keith went and got Bill Underwood (Slave & Johnny Gill's manager). Then, Gene signed over the royalties to Keith immediately.
The background music is very distracting.
Early teething problems when I first started. This was the last interview with background music
The Ice Cube of Guy
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Record industry seems Sooo SHADY!! Teddy Should've became a Millionaire oFF Kieth Sweats 1st Album. That had 2b at least a Double Platinum Album??!!🤔
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For one, I wonder why this is an issue now?! After all these years. Well after Andre has passed and is not able to give a neutral recollection of what happened. Both Teddy and this man here have their own memories of what happened. Everyone lives a different life, so not everyone will recall things the exact same. I will say, this man must not understand audio engineering and production. You can record ANYWHERE on a song. Your vocals can then be placed elsewhere along that beat. As long as the melody, tempo, and pitch all match the beat backing. Even in those times that was extremely possible!🤷🏾♂️
He wrote all the songs on the Guy album. He heard Aaron Hall singing and they started Guy and asked Teddy to produce for them before he eventually joined.
He came up with the name of the Guy and image.
Now he's the only one who owns publishing rights and approves sampling of the songs because he refused to sign the contract that Gene Griffin put forward to gain control of the group.
How would you feel if something you started takes off without you and becomes one of the biggest groups around and you miss out?
You don't forget the story because it was one of the worst moments of his life.
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Guy & New Edition used to be FAVORITE groups. After this interview. I can’t fuck with GUY anymore. Those dudes ( Teddy & Aaron) have NO HONOR.
It's sad because I'm the biggest Teddy Riley fan there is but I don't like the person as much as I love the music 😥
@@HalftimeChat You can definitely hear the difference in the first GUY album and the later ones. The first one had the best songs . But it's not too late. lol .
Never heard of this dude
That was the case with me. I always wondered who was on the cover of the album ☺️
Dudes lose their jobs everyday B! You’ll be alright 😅
Damn so Teddy kicked Timmy out of the group?
The manager Gene Griffin pushed Timmy Gatling out of Guy when he refused to sign up his publishing rights. Teddy and Aaron didn't fight for Timmy Gatling against their manager
So Teddy said he doesn't know what happened and Timmy Just walked into a studio session dapped him up and said I am out and left.
Posted on Vlad TV
That is what upset me the most about Teddy's interview
I don't believe for one second that teddy only received $1,500 for doing Kieth sweats album. When he went from a volleswagon that summer to a 500 SL drop top Black Benz.🤣
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You got to remember that he was also producing KOOL Moe Dee at the time and Heavy D debut album
This is the other side of the story.
Many talents oft are duped by the CONtracts 🧐
I've interviewed over 50 artists who have similar stories about bad contracts 😥
@@HalftimeChat it's curious how many entertainers in the 👿 Controlled industry 👿 end up miserable 😖 broke or Dead like Tupac after signing those ☢️ CONtracts 🧐
@@erinmeggik391 two different things
Artists who are young get put on bad contracts and end up with little money or publishing.
Others are offered the opportunity to become global stars for a price. Those are the ones who sell out. If you speak about what is happening you get blacklisted or disappear.
@@erinmeggik391 Tony Terry shares his experience
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@@erinmeggik391 then watch Jacci McGhee who sang on Make it last forever " with Keith Sweat.
She shares how Beyonce, Lizzo and Cardi B became superstars
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Wow… I love teddy but man… this guy was the soul of the group. He had the lyrics 😢
☝🏾👇🏾👉🏾👈🏾🤏🏾Tf you signaling for Timmy
Who cares they were better without him didn't he drop a solo album didn't it flop 😤 or am I bugging
He was never a solo artist.
He gave his best tracks to BBD, Christopher Williams, and Keith Sweat.
He had to release the album while still hurting from losing his group.
He did have a solo album! I may have it in my vast collection!
“Help”- Timmy Gatling 🔥