Great video, thanks for doing this. Have a 98 Trooper. I've done the coils, so the rear is squared away ... torsion bars are next. My question is, what lift (floor jack/lift) are you using? That was pretty slick, I'm out here with floor jacks trying to lift my trooper one corner at a time ... picking the entire truck up would be sweet. Thanks!
Hey. Torsion crank only lifts the front of the truck. Every 4 revolutions is an inch of lift roughly. I got my OME parts like shocks and springs off eBay. The Dobson HD Torsion bars and rear 4 links from Classic City Overland.
@@robbo6460 I've been talking to him about suspension components as well. When I search for shocks do I look for a specific size? I'm sorry for such noob ass questions I'm new to suspension
@@robbo6460 I'll definitely ask him! He and Jerry are the man, along with the 4l30e guru known as Buster28 on the planet. Those men are legends in the isuzu community.
@@corywilliamsmith oh yeah....all 3 have helped me personally. The springs I used were OME 2929s the shocks I'd have to look up. The 4 shocks were OME also.
I hope you guys can help me, I was looking for a replacement for my coils, but the ones i Found have smaller diameter at top. Is there any way I can Install them?
I replied the other day but idk what happened to it? Anyway depending on what you get some guys use a saw or die grinder to cut off the smaller part. Please let us know what vehicle you have and do you want stock replacements or a lift? How much lift?
@@anibal6827 here is what your looking for: forum.planetisuzoo.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=75761 It's a lot of reading so. To answer your question directly: According to the OME catalogue the OE Trooper spring rate is 160 lbs/in. Free length is 16". Recommendations: Stock Trooper replacement 92-97 Trooper Moog CC217--16.15"--155lbs/in--variable rate***requires pig tail cut off. This will be an OEM replacement with no lift. However your vehicle may go up if your existing springs are sprung lol. My 20 year old shocks had zero return and my springs were sprung. It's in the video.
@@robbo6460 I have a 96 trooper I want to lift. My stock coils compressed are 8". I pulled some off a 92 that are 16" extended with air helper bags in. I also pulled some shocks that are 19.5" extended. Any imput on if this will help? Do you know the measurements of stock? Also, how difficult was the torsion bar lift abd is it best to do it on the ground or jacked?
Hi Robb...great video and I used it as a guide to do a lift on my Trooper. Can you tell me where you found the greaseable stabilizer fitting you mentioned at :51? I have ordered a few but both were too small. Thanks
hi ! sorry if thats been answered before but.. Some way that front diff shall be Dropped down a bit with home mods, otherwise youll damage your front Block hubs etc. is it true? thanks
Hi, do you know why my trooper makes noise when turning in 4wd? It sounds like a metal on metal skipping coming from the hubs. 4wd seems to work fine though aside from the noises
Hey. It sounds like your CV axles are worn out. It's pretty common. You can do half shafts which are much easier to do. The 1st time I did them on both sides I did full shafts....it's a pain in the ass cause there is a bracket in the way.....almost everyone does just the outters (half) on each side.
@@robbo6460 ok great thanks for the reply. Mine has the auto locking hubs, do you know if the whole hub assembly will need to come apart in order to the half shafts off? Is it easy to get the shaft out of the front diff? Great vids btw
@@robbo6460 I actually have the OEM workshop manual for my 93 trooper, but I heard there may be some shortcuts from the OEM repair methods. Looking again it doesn't seem too bad if I can get the right tools. I will definitely join that group though!
I have the same year trooper and would like the same lift. Did you use stock shock absorbers in front and rear? And also what coil springs did you use in the rear?
Alan, body roll is sway bar. Are your front and rear sway bars installed? If so are the bushings good? I changed both my front and rear to poly with grease zerks from Amazon.
@@alanrink4268 it should have them in the rear also. Check the rubber bushings. It's easier to remove the bushings and inspect them. If the hole is not round then replace them. What lift do you have if any? I ask cause my shocks... all 4 were DOA when I did the lift. They were doing nothing for stability.
Cool video man! I've just taken possession of my uncles trooper. Also a 1998. Curious on which springs you went with? This thing rides like a sloppy.... Well... Let's just say it's loose lol. Everything I'm reading on stiffening up the ride says just lift it and upgrade the springs. Any info would be great! Thanks for the video!
@@robbo6460 Much appreciated man. And yeah I think you did say what they were in the video. I just totally missed it the first time around lol. Just seeing the side by side of the stock spring next to the upgrades was enough for me to want to start looking around. This thing dives and sways like mad. I've only swapped out the shocks, which I am pretty sure were stock and blown out like yours were. Rides better but still a lot of sway and body roll. Much thanks for the quick reply!
Rear: Prothane 19-1154 Red 3/4" Universal Greasable Sway Bar Bushing fits A Style Bracket www.amazon.com/dp/B00386YV7G/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_en16BbGAYD49T
Yes. There are also several other options. One of the best resources is Planetisuzoo online. There is a sticky post there that tells you exactly what will fit in each generation trooper.
Hi Robb,. I have enjoyed your videos of work you have done on Shrek, and am in the process right now of putting the Old Man Emu (OME) springs, part #2929, for a 1.5-2" lift, and matching shocks (Old Man Emu "Nitro-Charger" shocks, Part # 60074). I bought them from Desert Rat, in New Mexico or Arizona - somewhere down there in Road Runner country. Right now, I am stopped because I don't have a spring compressor, and think I will have to un-do the sway-bar links to get it to drop a little more and let me shove the new, longer coils in, "tight" coils on top. I'm operating with pretty basic tools, open/box combination wrenches, with pipes for cheater-bars and lots of WD40 to tell the old shock-post threads to cut that "binding" shit out. I have no hoist or anything fancy, just using a little 8-ton hydraulic jack to get the ass end of the Trooper up in the air, then holding it up there with stacked concrete pier blocks under the frame at each trailing arm front mount. Seems pretty steady and safe. Front tires have a brick in front and back so it won't just roll the f--- away. Dirt (gravel) work area. Being an old retired fart, I am going slowly on this ... because I can. It's a "Gee! I've never DONE this before" job, so I am being patient, and making sure I know what others have dealt with. Thanks for sharing YOUR experiences. I appreciate it. Now to get back out there before the Seattle area rain starts up. Mother Nature is tricking us here with a little sun and breezes, into getting some outdoors stuff going on, so she can laugh at us and bring on the rain. Typical... Again, thanks.
Thanks for the compliments. There should be no need to comress the spring if you lift by the pumpkin and have the shock out. I used mine cause I have them. Harbor Freight sells them cheap if you find you can't force them in. Good luck
@@robbo6460 Update: i used a bottle jack between the axle and frame to push the axle down about one inch. That is what my Trooper needed to slip the new spring in with no sweat. I gradually let the pressure out of thw little bottle jack as I checked the top of thw spring to make sure it stayed in position, then started looking at the OME 60074 shock. It was a bitch pounding thw top bushing into the shock, but I heated thw bushing in boiling water to soften it, then pounded the bitch in. Next, I looked at the fit with the top bolt, and it had a lot of slop! WTF, over? I am in contact with ARB about why they didn't send me a sleeve to fit between the 19-20mm ID of the rubber bushing and the 14mm diameter of the non-threaded part of the bolt. If I had a machine shop I would just make a f-ing sleeve and move on. But I don't. (I have been a machinist in my many lives) So, I am stopped for now, while the clouds spit rain on me from time to time, and I put my "driveway mechanic" tools away for now, until I figure out a sleeve for the bushing and bolt.
@@logmeindangit I'm on the mafia group too. Best group period. Idk if you got the wrong bushings. I suppose you can make a sleeve or see if they have other bushings available?
i would like 2.5 in lift with just the weight of the vehicle but I would still like a little bit every left under a load so which would you suggest I looked at your chart and I don't understand so well my reading and spelling is not that great
I'm thinking your springs and shocks are wore out. You should be able to get 285-70r/16 without rubbing and no lift. That's a 33 inch tire. Here is the spring list for what you want: 2-3" lift BDS 034451--20.5"--175 lbs/in--lift 2.2" Moog cc814--17.5"--271 lbs/in--lift 2.3" BDS 034619--20.375"--180 lbs/in--lift 2.3" BDS 034301--18.5"--240 lbs/in--lift 2.5" Moog 6187--17.5"--243lbs/in--lift 2.9" Moog cc816--18.25--271 lbs/in--lift 3" EBay or Amazon should have the moog.
My 2001 Isuzu Rodeo has the same bump stops that rotted off. Daystar makes some universal urethane bump stops that fit great with a little modification. forum.planetisuzoo.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=134765&p=5454049&hilit=bump+stops#p5454049
P0101 is a Mass Air Flow Sensor fault. It's the Sensor next to the air cleaner. I've never ever had a single time where cleaning it worked. Replace it. It's a fast and simple repair.
Hello, I bought the 60031 front shock, but why the shocks is shorter than the original?
No. It got stiffer but it's not to rough. I drive it daily.
Great video, thanks for doing this. Have a 98 Trooper. I've done the coils, so the rear is squared away ... torsion bars are next. My question is, what lift (floor jack/lift) are you using? That was pretty slick, I'm out here with floor jacks trying to lift my trooper one corner at a time ... picking the entire truck up would be sweet. Thanks!
Hey thanks. That was a car lot I owned. I put in a midrise pit lift. Boy I miss it.
Awesome info bud. loved the video Thanks for the tips Best o luck t ya’ 👍🏽
You can find bump stops for it online they look like a big black pop cycle and the bolt pattern is exact.
Thanks. I did the bump stops about 2 year back.
If I'm only going to replace shocks do I need to mess with the torsion bar.
@@randy-mw5dq no...unless it doesn't sit level or the way you want it to
Why did you take the tyre off? Once the complete wheel is off, why then remove the tyre?
I'm not sure what you are seeing but I didn't. I removed the tire and rim together for access.
Hey rob, hope you're still active! Any suggestion on where to find those coils? I've looked them up and can't seem to find anything.
I got them off eBay.
My 2000 trooper needs new suspension parts and I also want to do a 2" lift. Does the Torsion Bar lift the entire vehicle or just front?
Hey. Torsion crank only lifts the front of the truck. Every 4 revolutions is an inch of lift roughly. I got my OME parts like shocks and springs off eBay. The Dobson HD Torsion bars and rear 4 links from Classic City Overland.
@@robbo6460 I've been talking to him about suspension components as well. When I search for shocks do I look for a specific size? I'm sorry for such noob ass questions I'm new to suspension
@@corywilliamsmith talking to Eric Gagnon at Classic City Overland? Eric will tell you exactly what you need.
@@robbo6460 I'll definitely ask him! He and Jerry are the man, along with the 4l30e guru known as Buster28 on the planet. Those men are legends in the isuzu community.
@@corywilliamsmith oh yeah....all 3 have helped me personally. The springs I used were OME 2929s the shocks I'd have to look up. The 4 shocks were OME also.
hi rob, can you fit 285 tyre after 2 inch lift?
Yes
I hope you guys can help me, I was looking for a replacement for my coils, but the ones i Found have smaller diameter at top. Is there any way I can Install them?
Does anyone know whats the free lenght?
I replied the other day but idk what happened to it? Anyway depending on what you get some guys use a saw or die grinder to cut off the smaller part. Please let us know what vehicle you have and do you want stock replacements or a lift? How much lift?
@@robbo6460 I Have a 1995 Isuzu Tropper LS 4x4, and I want the stock replacements but haven´t found them yet. Thanks for your time.
@@anibal6827 here is what your looking for: forum.planetisuzoo.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=75761
It's a lot of reading so. To answer your question directly: According to the OME catalogue the OE Trooper spring rate is 160 lbs/in. Free length is 16".
Recommendations: Stock Trooper replacement 92-97 Trooper Moog CC217--16.15"--155lbs/in--variable rate***requires pig tail cut off. This will be an OEM replacement with no lift. However your vehicle may go up if your existing springs are sprung lol. My 20 year old shocks had zero return and my springs were sprung. It's in the video.
@@robbo6460 I have a 96 trooper I want to lift. My stock coils compressed are 8". I pulled some off a 92 that are 16" extended with air helper bags in. I also pulled some shocks that are 19.5" extended.
Any imput on if this will help? Do you know the measurements of stock?
Also, how difficult was the torsion bar lift abd is it best to do it on the ground or jacked?
Robb PLEASE answer, desperately need a snorkel in my rodeo which is pretty same to the trooper, were did you bought your snorkel? fits flawless
I ordered from eBay. Cane Toad Equipment. It came from Australia in 2 weeks.
Hi Robb...great video and I used it as a guide to do a lift on my Trooper. Can you tell me where you found the greaseable stabilizer fitting you mentioned at :51? I have ordered a few but both were too small. Thanks
Hey Greg. I got both front and rear sway bar links off Amazon. I think front was 7/8" and rear was 1". I'll see if I can find a link.
Prothane 19-1154 Red 3/4" Universal Greasable Sway Bar Bushing fits A Style Bracket www.amazon.com/dp/B00386YV7G/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_FNopDb9S0Y90Q
Energy Suspension 9.5161R 1" SWAY BAR BUSHING SET www.amazon.com/dp/B000CN9CMW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_JOopDbD4WDF2A
3/4" front 1" rear
Thanks Robb...huge help and keep the videos coming
hi !
sorry if thats been answered before but..
Some way that front diff shall be Dropped down a bit with home mods, otherwise youll damage your front Block hubs etc. is it true? thanks
It lifted it about 1.5 inches and stiffened it a little bit also.
Robb O thanks. What about the front diff , you had to drop it ? I just modified the question
No I didn't have to do a diff drop. Anymore lift and I will have to.
Robb O I’m planning for 2”. Will I have problems with front diff? Thanks
No but you will be maxed out. You may wear out CVs a little faster but I doubt it.
did not get too hard at the front ?
Hi, do you know why my trooper makes noise when turning in 4wd? It sounds like a metal on metal skipping coming from the hubs. 4wd seems to work fine though aside from the noises
Hey. It sounds like your CV axles are worn out. It's pretty common. You can do half shafts which are much easier to do. The 1st time I did them on both sides I did full shafts....it's a pain in the ass cause there is a bracket in the way.....almost everyone does just the outters (half) on each side.
@@robbo6460 ok great thanks for the reply. Mine has the auto locking hubs, do you know if the whole hub assembly will need to come apart in order to the half shafts off? Is it easy to get the shaft out of the front diff? Great vids btw
@@Sno6403 yes it will. Do you have a service manual? Are you a member of Isuzu Mafia on Facebook?
@@robbo6460 I actually have the OEM workshop manual for my 93 trooper, but I heard there may be some shortcuts from the OEM repair methods. Looking again it doesn't seem too bad if I can get the right tools. I will definitely join that group though!
@das wright this did end up being the problem thaniks my trooper has been wheeling hard lately with no problems at all!
I have the same year trooper and would like the same lift. Did you use stock shock absorbers in front and rear? And also what coil springs did you use in the rear?
Hi. I used OME from eBay. 2929 springs. 60031 front shocks and 60074 rear shocks
I've got way too much body roll and idea was super rigid shock?
Alan, body roll is sway bar. Are your front and rear sway bars installed? If so are the bushings good? I changed both my front and rear to poly with grease zerks from Amazon.
@@robbo6460 thanks for the reply, it's a 99 trooper it has the stock sway bar in the front not sure if the back has one
@@alanrink4268 it should have them in the rear also. Check the rubber bushings. It's easier to remove the bushings and inspect them. If the hole is not round then replace them.
What lift do you have if any? I ask cause my shocks... all 4 were DOA when I did the lift. They were doing nothing for stability.
During this time do you perform body lift or just suspension lift?
Suspension lift. I did not do any body lift.
@@robbo6460 thank you
Cool video man! I've just taken possession of my uncles trooper. Also a 1998. Curious on which springs you went with? This thing rides like a sloppy.... Well... Let's just say it's loose lol. Everything I'm reading on stiffening up the ride says just lift it and upgrade the springs. Any info would be great! Thanks for the video!
OME 2929 coils in the rear
I think I said the shocks in the video. But they are OME also. There not the cheapest way to go but I've got almost 2 years in and zero issues
@@robbo6460 Much appreciated man. And yeah I think you did say what they were in the video. I just totally missed it the first time around lol. Just seeing the side by side of the stock spring next to the upgrades was enough for me to want to start looking around. This thing dives and sways like mad. I've only swapped out the shocks, which I am pretty sure were stock and blown out like yours were. Rides better but still a lot of sway and body roll.
Much thanks for the quick reply!
@@MotoMedic is the front and rear sway bars there? Without them these roll and pitch like mad.
@@robbo6460 I'm pretty sure I saw them when I did the shocks but then again I wasn't actually looking that hard.
Motorist, where did you buy your air intake pipe ？
I got most of the silicone pipe and couplers from Amazon and the inline K and N off eBay for a steal.
Thanks for your reply. I want to modify the headlight of this car. Can you buy a transparent lamp Shell there Thank you very much.
@@4wdlycdbl923 That I don't know.
Where did you get the sway bar mount? I've been unable to find them.
Front:
Energy Suspension 9.5161R 1" Greasable Sway Bar Set www.amazon.com/dp/B000CN9CMW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_nm16BbT7AR25S
Rear:
Prothane 19-1154 Red 3/4" Universal Greasable Sway Bar Bushing fits A Style Bracket www.amazon.com/dp/B00386YV7G/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_en16BbGAYD49T
can you do this job without the spring compressor? i got a 97.. im all hand tools :(
I believe that you can. I just made it easier.
Please explain "torsion "
Was clockwise the right way to raise it?
Richard L. Yes. Clockwise up. CCW is down
Robb O ok and i cant seem to find the shocks you used, where’d you get them from?
Richard L.
rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F142377834873
Would this work for a 1995 isuzu trooper as well?
Yes. There are also several other options. One of the best resources is Planetisuzoo online. There is a sticky post there that tells you exactly what will fit in each generation trooper.
Hi Robb,. I have enjoyed your videos of work you have done on Shrek, and am in the process right now of putting the Old Man Emu (OME) springs, part #2929, for a 1.5-2" lift, and matching shocks (Old Man Emu "Nitro-Charger" shocks, Part # 60074).
I bought them from Desert Rat, in New Mexico or Arizona - somewhere down there in Road Runner country.
Right now, I am stopped because I don't have a spring compressor, and think I will have to un-do the sway-bar links to get it to drop a little more and let me shove the new, longer coils in, "tight" coils on top.
I'm operating with pretty basic tools, open/box combination wrenches, with pipes for cheater-bars and lots of WD40 to tell the old shock-post threads to cut that "binding" shit out. I have no hoist or anything fancy, just using a little 8-ton hydraulic jack to get the ass end of the Trooper up in the air, then holding it up there with stacked concrete pier blocks under the frame at each trailing arm front mount. Seems pretty steady and safe. Front tires have a brick in front and back so it won't just roll the f--- away. Dirt (gravel) work area.
Being an old retired fart, I am going slowly on this ... because I can. It's a "Gee! I've never DONE this before" job, so I am being patient, and making sure I know what others have dealt with. Thanks for sharing YOUR experiences. I appreciate it.
Now to get back out there before the Seattle area rain starts up. Mother Nature is tricking us here with a little sun and breezes, into getting some outdoors stuff going on, so she can laugh at us and bring on the rain. Typical...
Again, thanks.
Thanks for the compliments. There should be no need to comress the spring if you lift by the pumpkin and have the shock out. I used mine cause I have them. Harbor Freight sells them cheap if you find you can't force them in. Good luck
@@robbo6460 Update: i used a bottle jack between the axle and frame to push the axle down about one inch. That is what my Trooper needed to slip the new spring in with no sweat. I gradually let the pressure out of thw little bottle jack as I checked the top of thw spring to make sure it stayed in position, then started looking at the OME 60074 shock. It was a bitch pounding thw top bushing into the shock, but I heated thw bushing in boiling water to soften it, then pounded the bitch in.
Next, I looked at the fit with the top bolt, and it had a lot of slop! WTF, over? I am in contact with ARB about why they didn't send me a sleeve to fit between the 19-20mm ID of the rubber bushing and the 14mm diameter of the non-threaded part of the bolt. If I had a machine shop I would just make a f-ing sleeve and move on. But I don't. (I have been a machinist in my many lives)
So, I am stopped for now, while the clouds spit rain on me from time to time, and I put my "driveway mechanic" tools away for now, until I figure out a sleeve for the bushing and bolt.
@@logmeindangit I'm sorry you having issues. I didn't have the same issue. My bushings fit the bolts. Boy that really sucks.
@@robbo6460 I'm on Facebook's Trooper Mafia site, and no-one there ever mentioned having bushing slop with the bolt on 2nd gen updates.
@@logmeindangit I'm on the mafia group too. Best group period. Idk if you got the wrong bushings. I suppose you can make a sleeve or see if they have other bushings available?
You probably need to replace your bumper stops too.
if i just chang my coils will i still get the 2in lift?
James Tweedy the answer is yes, but my 20 year old shocks were doa. Check out the 1st post here:
forum.planetisuzoo.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=75761
what are the stouck coil size on a 98-99 trooper i got some 265-70-16 tires and they are rubbing in the back i got some spacers but they did not fit
i would like 2.5 in lift with just the weight of the vehicle but I would still like a little bit every left under a load so which would you suggest I looked at your chart and I don't understand so well my reading and spelling is not that great
I'm thinking your springs and shocks are wore out. You should be able to get 285-70r/16 without rubbing and no lift. That's a 33 inch tire. Here is the spring list for what you want:
2-3" lift
BDS 034451--20.5"--175 lbs/in--lift 2.2"
Moog cc814--17.5"--271 lbs/in--lift 2.3"
BDS 034619--20.375"--180 lbs/in--lift 2.3"
BDS 034301--18.5"--240 lbs/in--lift 2.5"
Moog 6187--17.5"--243lbs/in--lift 2.9"
Moog cc816--18.25--271 lbs/in--lift 3"
EBay or Amazon should have the moog.
Moog CC814 Coil Spring Set www.amazon.com/dp/B000HPVUSO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_nj4XAbVZ93AKA
Does anyone know how to fix the 4x4 on a 1998 Isuzu rodeo?
Can you give an idea what's wrong?
Center hub. Not ground. Everone will have different tyres so ground measurements are no good. Hub to fender is universal.
My 2001 Isuzu Rodeo has the same bump stops that rotted off. Daystar makes some universal urethane bump stops that fit great with a little modification. forum.planetisuzoo.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=134765&p=5454049&hilit=bump+stops#p5454049
I know its a few years late but these springs are fitted upside down. tight coil should sit at the bottom like factory lol
Progressive coils get mounted with the tighter coils up. Sorry.
P0101
P0101 is a Mass Air Flow Sensor fault. It's the Sensor next to the air cleaner. I've never ever had a single time where cleaning it worked. Replace it. It's a fast and simple repair.