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Hey thanks for the video! I plan on grabbing the apex trigger the maxwell and the 13lb spring do you have rhe links to these or the name of the maxwell and spring? Also any light suggestions that will be flush with the end of the gun ?
@@JakeCamo Pretty sure it’s just their awesome social media girl dropping the perfect hilarious comment. But if they legit do it, it would be a legendary “own” 😂 I’d have to eat my words on that one. Heck, I’d make a follow-up video about how S&W is an honest company.
This review is just so honest - and I can sort of see why channels don't make reviews like this because companies won't back them. But this kind of info is what people really want. It also points customers to the right product. Love that S&W came in and commented here. Legendary if you actually put it in your next email.
I can't believe they haven't teamed with Apex to make a true metal (steel) version of the M&P. With an Apex trigger it would be right there with Canik and Walther
@@Blrdddd22223Probably. I’ve got a steel framed Walther and love it. But most of ecosystems-holsters mags etc-is built around the M&P series, so for me a steel M&P would be super enticing. I’m hoping they’ll come out with one. If not, I might just have to get the new 5 inch steel PDP…Or both lol
Yep, it’s the perfect team-up. If Canik can team up with Taran, then why can’t S&W team up with Apex? 😅 S&W unwilling to admit their triggers aren’t good enough maybe?
@@NightwoodGuns Very true, it would require some humility on S&W's part! Mec-Gar makes white label mags for tons of companies, so if Smith is too proud, there are ways to hide the relationship.
I’m glad you’ve been enjoying! I’m stupid for doing it, tbh. There are good reasons why people paywall honest info. I’m keeping this up for as long as humanly possible because it’s barely sustainable. As long as I keep getting sponsors, I can do it.
I love how passionate you are. You can tell that you don't just want to have a TH-cam channel, but you want to experiment with guns and you want to get information out there. I really enjoy watching your channel.
@@FiringLineShooting Thanks man. Thats exactly why I’m here. I’m also a consumer and a guntube viewer who got burned a few times and wanted to do better. I’m doing my best, making some mistakes, and improving along the way 👍
OMG- thank you, I’ve been looking at the M&P 2.0 Compact 4” barrel pistol anti like it a lot. Then came the M&P Comp and it obviously works but I rather wait a couple years until the perfect it Thank You for having the heart of a teacher and I greatly appreciate your sobering experience and comments about this pistol 🔫
Wait until you find out that he graduated from ASU Summa Cum Laude. He's a screenwriter and a twice published novelist who just happens to be a gun nerd. 😁
I happen to agree this is one of the better channels I’ve been to. It’s honest and direct and is not working for the industries. I have very special interest because I lost the use of my dominant arm 12 years ago. I had to go to using revolvers I currently use a chiappa rino 357 2 inch. He uses because the recoil is nothing with this particular revolver. It’s Moon. Let’s concealable I basically carry across carry bag. If I went to a M&P like this, it would need a lot of attention on the recoil and and would have to have a red dot mounted on it to help me rack the slide. I did contact Smith and Wesson. And they don’t have any intention of putting safeties on this gun in the near future. I’ve been trying to avoid going to a.DA/SA SYSTEM
Really appreciate your non-biased top tier reviews. Refreshing to get real pro/con information compared to many others. Also, S&W really needs to start adding that dimple to all 2.0's for the loaded chamber indicator area.
I am very elderly. With that came increased sensation (recoil sensitivity), loss of some strength and aging vision. Iron sights don't matter much, although at close range I was able to use the iron sights of this same model pistol, which I purchased over the metal frame for its' increased concealability. I put an apex trigger on the pistol and it gave no improvement in trigger pull or pull weight, so I took it off. After 400 rounds the plastic sight mount for my Holosun 507C broke. The only negative I have for this pistol. I have ordered a metal sight plate and a Timney trigger, and, after watching this video, I have ordered the 13 pound recoil spring. I had completely given up on 9mm because of the pain involved in shooting the round, but I am very happily and comfortably shooting 9mm again. Except for the cheap sight plates, this pistol is a 10 out of 10.
Let’s be honest. How many folks here have bought any firearm and have not changed a single thing? If we were all carrying around the factory piece with no personalized changes, mods, upgrades, etc what would we have to talk about or post? There would be no need for the aftermarket. Trigger and iron site upgrades are all easily accomplished and personalize your firearm - both in this example better than a stock Glock. -which to the average consumer, is an upgrade. It’s legos folks. Great platform with some above average features and room to take it to another level if you choose to. Regardless, good video with some strong points!
I appreciate your take. You make a good point 👍 My intent is not to bash the gun, just to share my picky observations. Maybe it’ll help someone prepare for the costs of potential upgrades if they decide to purchase. 😎
I have a m&p 2.0 with an agency arms 118 single port comp. I 100% agree with your conclusion that the guns are over-sprung, as I had to go down to a 14lb recoil spring to get the recoil impulse to my liking. I used the gun at a Steel Challenge match last week and found it to be a joy to shoot when tuned properly. its been perfectly reliable with the comp and spring tuning, and i've had over 3K rounds through it in that configuration.
Fair overview of the plus and minus of the Carry Comp. Smith did make a very attractive product, still has the issues you mentioned. Great on them with the way the port handles the gas as well as the loaded chamber indicator correction for optic users. The plastic plates are terrible. Well done overall. One of your best and fairest reviews.
I was a police officer for a time. My first issued weapon was a Glock 22. I didnt like that gun. Full size Glocks cut the web of my hand so i prefer the 19/23 models. Not a problem with the 20/21 large frame guns. But our chief thought it would be cool to get the 22C ported models for some reason. He wasnt a gun guy and i wasnt impressed with the decision and neither was anyone else. But that 22C was a way nicer shooting gun. Still cut up the web of my hand of course. But follow up shots placed where you needed them were a lot faster. The fire from retention drills sucked due to the afterbirth coming up at you from the ports. But other than that i enjoyed shooting it. Which is good when it is in your best interest to get good with a particular weapon wether you like it or not. Then one day i just mentioned how i wish i could carry my Beretta M9A1 instead and my chief says "Why dont you? Just go tell Steve (city clerk) how much to send and where to send it to for your holster and mag pouches" So for a year i was getting slide cuts in my hand and a face full of muzzle blast for nothing thinking personal weapons were a no go. But yeah those ports do help even if you can handle the recoil without them. Plus plastic frame guns jump around more than aluminum or steel framed ones. Thats the trade off. The nicer it is to carry the less enjoyable to shoot. I did have a Glock 20 at one time. That gun recoiled a lot less than the the Glock 22 did even with real 10mm ammo in it.
Love my G22. 12 years and not one malfunction. Shoot it as good as any of my 9s. Never letting it go regardless of where all the trends go. Not discrediting anything you said just adding my 2 cents.
@rich1958 The two I was issued never malfunctioned either. 15rds of .40 is also not something to be ignored. I'm not sure the big drive to dump .40 in favor of 9mm by police is a good idea either. The chances of having to shoot through auto body and glass for a cop is at least 50/50 or more. A civilian is more likely to come up against construction materials and the idea is to not shoot through it so 9mm makes a lot of sense. As for the Glock they're not my thing but I feel their advocates who are sold on the product do have a lot of merit in what they're saying. One criticism of the Glock I don't understand , and it's not important apparently, is that they're ugly. I think they're kind of, well they're not sexy, but they're definitely a badass looking pistol. Also my longest serving CCW pistol was a Gen 2 Glock 23. 12 years. My former brother in law needed a gun and he really liked it a lot so I sold it to him with a He's My Daughter's Uncle discount and got something more to my taste and liking . A Walther P99AS. Which I like better but it's not a better gun. Costs less to shoot though lol
Thanks for the very informative and honest review. Years ago I owned an M&P that I used for competition. I could never quite master the articulated trigger and sold the pistol. This model with the right trigger and spring peaks my interest. I will have to check this one out.
I really don't think $750 is alot of money for an M&P performance center pistol. VP9s at my ffl are anywhere from $750 to 1k. Glock MOS are $650-750. And Glocks suck. PDPs are about $700. So yeah, M&P with a comp thats optic ready. Good price for an accurate gun.
As always, if you want the real deets, Brett is the one to go to. I was a little sus with all the overwhelming positive reviews from other channels. Glad to know that that suspicion is well warranted!
My mistake. This gun is perfect. It is revolutionary, even. Smith and Wesson is the best company and every guntuber is great. Except for me, of course. *blinks twice* 🫥
I appreciate the critique...I have carried and shot multiple M&P's... compact and full size version for the last 7 years. My current 1 is full size with ACRO and x300...it shoots well. Practice helps. I also compete with it. Carry comp has me curious....but totally fine with standard versions. This is with probably 30k through the platform....unfortunately I'm not hunterconstantine.
I’m not sure how many thousands of rounds you have to put through them to get the optic to pop off but I have 4 M&P’s all with over 20,000 rounds on them with the original optics that I torqued on there years ago and I’ve never had an issue. And I rack my pistol off of the optics at least 75% of the time.
21,000. You are close! 🙌 Jokes aside, I think it’s more of a QC thing. I’ve seen 4 fly off. 2 of them I knew the person and I am certain they were torqued properly. All of them failed in the same way. Granted, I’ve seen hundreds of people in person whose optics didn’t get yeeted.
I really like this offering as well as the Shield 2.0 Carry Comp... If they would offer with a manual safety, I would consider one or both...just my preference as options are a good thing. Those big window dots rock, but for edc, I would use the Holosun SCS-MP2 Gr. for this pistol...lower and no plate to deal with.
I have an SCS on the way for mine. I like the direct mount, low sitting dot is quicker and feels more natural for me on my g49 mos and pdp pro. Great review!
Solid ass review! Love the channel and content, thank you It looks like the 2.0 basic optic ready version is the still the move for the price and performance. Add Apex trigger and optic and you’re done. As a side note to anyone, the American Guardians models (blue label equivalent) come with metal optic plates and 3 magazines as well as trijicon night sights
I was debating between the OG 2.0 or the CC. You cleared my mind to make an informed decision. I'm not willing to pay hundreds more for roughly a 10ish% recoil reduction. Thanks for the no-shill review.
Love mine. Changed to suppressor sights added an optic and done! Shoots great Oh yea and put a 15 lb recoil spring. 1200 rounds in and zero malfunctions. Edit: and I always change to a metal optic plate on my m&ps.
@NightwoodGuns probably the only person who added a manual safety too. I've always been a thumb safety person. I know most don't approve but It's muscle memory at this point.....now I've ordered the 13 lb spring too after watching how flat yours shot. Never can have too many recoil springs anyway and the 15 shoots great. Did the 13 lb spring cause you any issues?
I’ve seen milling options for Shield Plus optics ready so you don’t need the plate anymore. Would love to find a service to do this for the standard M&P. Even the metal plates are just a no go for me.
Yes, you offer helpful info; as usual, I didn't know about the backboarding. I am considering getting one for range toy only because of its aesthetics. I have not done so yet because it didn't have manual safety. I avoid pistols with no manual safety or not have the option to install one. The 2.0 may be.
I have the metal frame version, and I think it’s one of the best pistols I’ve ever shot. My only gripe about it is that the trigger doesn’t have any audible/tactile reset. That’s it love mine.
I’ve wanted an 2.0 for a bit and the cool factor of this one sold me. I went with the metal. It’s definitely not my SF PDP, but it’s better than my G48. For me it’s a good blend of the 2. Did I mention the cool factor?! 😂
The M&Ps are some of the smoothest shooting guns on the market to begin with, WITHOUT a comp/port. I'd imagine these Carry Comps are even MORE smooth & flat shooting. I'm looking forward to being able to rent & shoot either the metal full-size or the polymer compact. As for the crappy factory plastic plates, I'd go with Calculated Kinetics Dogtag plates. Their plates are, BY FAR, the best designed plates on the market. The only other company I buy plates from besides CK is Eleven 71 Design. While they're pretty pricey, they have the ABSOLUTE TIGHTEST tolerances of ANY plate company out there. They're a 1 man, 1 machine outfit based in my homestate of TN. The guy makes his plates by hand out of titanium. I got 1 of his RMR plates for my PDP & think it's worth every penny. That being said, I'll be interested to compare it to my Shadow Systems MR920P, which I think shoots like a pellet gun. From your review, I'm thinking the MR920P DOES shoot better. But as a soon to be former PDP Pro owner, I can sympathize shooting a gun that's over-sprung. Where'd you get your spring & what brand is it, & what optic plate are you running?
Very good review and thus why you are my go to reviewer! I admit I am a m&p fan boy and really wanted this too based off looks alone; I may wait now. I agree with other comments that either team up or make an even better trigger. Its been like 15 years of toss a apex in it. I too question the stippling item. I seem to recall imports it is an issue, but this is a states gun. So there must be something more to it.
I share the peeve of S&W not putting suppressor height sights on the new Preformance Center M&P's. I have the older V port version and those models can with suppressor height sights.
S&W has terrible suppressor height sights though. They are just standard white 3 dot. With the terrible plastic plates s&w come with the scs is the best option on this gun unless you want to spend an additional $70-90 on metal optics plates.
@@Jeeper906 This is actually a good take. Though I’d prefer if they would have just put the lower 1/3rd Night Fisions on it. That way it would be good with all combos.
I know you have the BUL Armory Axe Tomahawk... as do I, and I j just picked up the Carry Comp. So, how does this compare to the BUL, IYO? I'd love to see a comparison video!
What ammo were you shooting? These ported/comped Pews need gas to work right. It gonna get it from 124 or 147. Go 115 or 100 or lighter and get that +p+ fps and you’ll notice a much bigger difference with the comp. I have Full builds of ported/comped M&P’s from Monsoon(3) SWP(2) Magnaport(2) Floyds(3) Agency (2) We love 65gr Norma and 12/13# springs. Try it. You’ll love it!
I shot some 115, mostly 124, and my carry ammo 124 +P. It performed poorly with all of the above with the OEM recoil spring assembly. Once I started experimenting with lighter springs, it started to run as expected. Especially with the +P. Stacking holes while splitting doubles with HSTs. Not as efficient as more effective port patterns or comps, but it’s a little better than a stock barrel. 👍
Broooo, I JUST GOT DONE watching the Honest Outlaw video (also a Patreon) of his 5 top pistols and number one was the M&P 2.0 Carry Comp, then I casually browse to your channel and this is the first thumbnail I saw. 😭 I want to love it so badly, I hope there aren't any major cons.
Nah, only minor cons. But it ain’t perfect. I’m surprised it’s his number one. I could see it *maybe* with an Apex trigger… but stock? I don’t know. I guess lists are subjective for a reason. I have my own Top 5 list that I’m sure people would disagree with 😅
@@NightwoodGuns He got it a few weeks ago and I think he's still in the honeymoon phase, but to be honest he said everything he would've done to rice it out was already done. I think that was his biggest factor.
@@livefreeprintguns Makes sense. I just had to add a magwell, trigger, metal optic plate, 1/3 lower co-witness sights, lighter recoil spring and I would prefer a more efficient comp/port design… not ready to go out of the box for me, but again it’s subjective I suppose. Now that I’ve added all that stuff, I love it though! 😅👍
I’m going to go out on a limb and say 75%+ of their customers emails in the last three years complained about factory suppressor-height sights because the direct-fit Holosun SCS is their most popular optic (by a wide, wide, WIDE margin). So to save the headache of complaints from the masses they now anger the big glass people. 😂 “Nobody is happy so it’s a good compromise”
I wonder how many people didn’t email them that were happy with the co-witness sights? 🤔 Granted, those suppressor height co-witness sights were a little on the high side. A lower 1/3 or 1/5 co-witness for an RMR footprint seems to be a good compromise for me. Would probably be an absolute co-witness with the SCS.
You noticed The exact same things that I noticed. I got in arguments with people because I said that I was super disappointed with the compensation. And they didn't see it ..I also noticed that it seemed like the biggest problem was that it was oversprung. I never got my hands on other recoil springs to try before selling the one I had, but I figured that getting some Springs from DPM systems would probably make it feel a lot better. Just like you, I was super super excited to see Smith and Wesson release this gun... But I was disappointed in the way it felt, especially since the one I actually shot was the aluminum frame one. Why the heck didn't they release it with a steel frame? And why the heck didn't they just put lower 1/3 co-witness sights on it?
Hi, I like all your comments are very honest and very much to the point, abit of a backstory here. i’ve lost use on my dominant arm about 12 years ago. Because of my issues of racking the slide one-handed, I I started using revolvers, which were much easier for me to control. I’m considering moving into that arena now with a semi automatic, but some of the issues that you have addressed here really Home . since I can’t do the work myself can you recommend a good gunsmith? Who does this kind of work on this particular model,, the only downside I have with this particular model is, even after the work would be the fact that Smith is not going to manufacture a safety. Preferences to keep one in the chamber always, in the event of an emergency situation, but I think I can train around this, any suggestions will be helpful with a really good gunsmith who is working with this new model, and incorporating the changes that you talked about others that may be I’m not aware of.
I’m more interested in the comped shield plus. With a 10 round mag you can wear a tightish tshirt and basketball shorts and it’s invisible. 13/15 rounders for looser clothing.
@@lavidacigars I would say muzzle rise reduction is a little better on the micro dagger, actually 😬 But it’s a smaller gun, so the actual recoil is a little more. It punches a little harder. An M&P Apex trigger is better than the Johnny Glocks trigger, though. Specifically the M&P Apex though. JG beats Apex Glock triggers.
Nice. I shot the Shield version and it seems like not a big reduction, and being 4" not 3.1" meh though looked cool and I would like the longer barrel. And boy, do I have a review targeted right at you Brett coming soon.....
I like the idea of this and I WOULD get the metal version if I didn't already have 2. I have the standard grey metal and the green SPEC series metal, which I sent to Monsoon for the Lucky 7's porting. That thing is superb.
Apex trigger, SLR Rifleworks Magwell, Calculated Kinetics optic plate, Holosun 507 Comp, Ed Brown guide rod with 13lb recoil spring, Night Fision Lower 1/3rd co-witness sights, Streamlight TLR-7 HL-X. Makes it go from “meh” to monster.
I do like the M&P but the complete breakdown is a pain in the ass and I wouldn't recommend this pistol for a bug out tool imo. But it really is a nice shooter.
@@CQNikAhiii Only because you can get a better grip on the longer grip with rougher grip texture. The aluminum frame itself would not offer any benefit.
Got a used one for $800.. shot solid but the first thing I ordered for it before I even bought it was an extended tear drop mag release, that mag release is kind of awkward if you’ve never held or shot a S&W before but having baby hands don’t help either haha. That was my biggest gripe on it and oh the fact that they didn’t have 2 mags and optics plates for me. Ended up ordering a plate off of Calculated Kinetics for an eps carry so we’ll see what that’s all about!
I have an M&P 2.0, it definitely dirties up the optic. I’d say, 200 rounds or so it starts to get noticeable, but I’ve shot 1k without cleaning it and could still see the dot fine.
@@potentpoefie Nope, I think that was just an issue with the metal one. Trust me, if that would have happened to me it would have been in the title and the thumbnail 😅
Good stuff! If this gun's comp reduces muzzle rise by ~10%, what about the slide comp/expansion chamber on the original sig xmacro? Also ~10%? I think you mentioned once before to not rack the slide with the 507Comp due to its glass bulge? I understand that "return to zero" (where the gun sits after the action cycles) is king regarding speed of follow-up shots (moreso than muzzle rise or felt recoil) and ammo load choice, slide mass, and recoil spring weight will all play a part, among other factors as you know. For self defense ammo, I know your XC and Bul guns reign supreme in the 2011 platform but what striker gun setup that you've shot or owned has yielded the fastest follow-up shots? Thank you sir
I’d say the Macro comp is probably 15% 😅 Yeah, just don’t rack the 507 comp on a steel bar. Otherwise it’ll be fine 👍 As far as striker guns go… The Walther PDP Steel Frame is superb. For a modded option, the M&P 2.0 with Apex trigger and Monsoon Tactical Lucky 7s ports is hard to beat.
Just got myself a 13lb spring from Ed Brown. Metal carry comp. I shoot New Republic 115grain. Ive had folks saying that the lighter recoil spring can cause damage and only really meant for sub sonic rounds. What are your thoughts?
I mean, change OEM stuff on your gun at your own risk. But I haven’t seen any signs of abnormal wear on mine. I have the prototype DPM System en route and I always prefer that since it better protects the gun with the progressive springs. But the 13 lb spring will be fine. 13 lbs is not a super light spring especially with the “comp.” If you are going to shoot a steady diet of +P or +P+ then I’d switch to a heavier spring.
@@NightwoodGuns I went to my local gun shop on my lunch break to check out and handle the MP Comps and your right again about the sharp edges especially on top of the barrel. Although I find that the firearm is very close to a master piece and as we all know Smith and Wesson has made quit of few through years. I honestly love what they did to this new line of MP comps so much that I think I’ll treat myself to Metal version just because of the 17 rd mag. All 3 are just beautiful 👍🏻 Your video on this is spot on and I appreciate your time and effort but most importantly your honesty Best Regards 👍🏻🇺🇸
If I needed validation (which I don't) I would have it now. All of the points you bring up I mentioned in a bunch of the early glowing reviews. People called me a troll. I like the gun, I have the Metal version, so for a $1,000 Performance Center model, it just doesn't do it.
Even the little bit of pushback I’ve gotten on this video is kind of crazy. People really get tribal about this stuff even if you are just telling the truth. My more positive reviews always get nicer comments. No wonder everyone is a shill. More people like you AND you get industry favors. Win-win 🤣
Thanks for the honest review. Was thinking about buying this but have to pass. Will probably pick up the threaded barrel version and just put an after market comp on it.
I’m having a different shooting experience with the metal. The sights could have been taller fa sure. I’m not the biggest fan of suppressor height sights. But there had to be a happy medium. The trigger is good but underwhelming for a PC. I prefer stock but I’m looking to apex this one. Giving it a little more break in time first. My compact M&P broke in very good.
These new M&P Comps seem like they _should_ check all the right boxes. In fact, I had really high hopes for these new additions to a rather old lineup. Unfortunately, and as evident by your assessment; they tend to be lacking in certain aspects. Perhaps a comparison request/test if I may: the _Walther PPQ M2 Q5 Match SF Pro._ It seems like a worthy opponent to the other striker-fired, alloy frame pistols currently on the market. Maybe even the new Daniel Defense H9 _v2,_ when and if they ever release it. Could just be a "silent release" for all we know. Let us not forget that PSA also has their SWCH on the horizon. Which, if I am not mistaken, is a patent purchase from Live Free Armory's AMP pistol. Although, nobody will either confirm or deny it. Granted those three competitors are lacking a comp but the rest of the criteria matches. I, for one, am happy to see this small resurgence of striker-fire pistols with metal frames. Not just steel but _all_ the alloys. Many of us have grown accustom to and tired of the polymer pistols over the years. It is nice to see some new options. Nevertheless, I appreciate you staying true to your roots, Brett. If I had a channel, it would certainly reflect yours. After all - great minds think alike and we certainly like to speak our minds here in the great state number Forty Eight! Stay classy (and humble) my friend.
I love this gun. Its great, but i still tell everyone to wait atleast a year after release to buy one..they always have issues with the first few batches. For some reason all manufacturers use their customers as beta testers.
@@NightwoodGuns that's awesome that you got a good one! Look up other videos on this gun. Multiple TH-camrs have reported issues. It's the same with the Springfield echelon, Walther PDP and the Sig p365 fuse.
Just mentioned them in the vid. Apex Forward Set metal trigger, Holosun 507 Comp, C&H optic plate (but I prefer the Calculated Kinetics plate), SLR Rifleworks magwell, Night Fision Lower 1/3 sights, Ed Brown guide rod and 13 lb spring.
I put my tungsten grey competitor receiver on mine. I will certainly take your input on the 13# spring and the apex trigger. I don't mind the soft reset of the stock trigger but always looking for upgrading my understanding of what's good.
13# definitely made a difference for me when shooting very fast splits. And the Apex is incredible. Most people prefer the flat one. The curved one is mostly for short trigger reach. I like the OEM trigger return spring and the Apex duty sear spring combo.
@@adamwaterman1229 Yep, Ed Brown guide rod and 13lb spring. I ordered the 15,13,11 to test. If I could do it over again I’d go 15,14,13. Everything under 13 was too light for the Carry Comp.
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Hey thanks for the video! I plan on grabbing the apex trigger the maxwell and the 13lb spring do you have rhe links to these or the name of the maxwell and spring? Also any light suggestions that will be flush with the end of the gun ?
We're putting this in our next email
Legendary.
Never seen you in a comment section. Nice guns 😂
@@NightwoodGuns whoa! Nice!
@@JakeCamo Pretty sure it’s just their awesome social media girl dropping the perfect hilarious comment. But if they legit do it, it would be a legendary “own” 😂 I’d have to eat my words on that one. Heck, I’d make a follow-up video about how S&W is an honest company.
This review is just so honest - and I can sort of see why channels don't make reviews like this because companies won't back them. But this kind of info is what people really want. It also points customers to the right product. Love that S&W came in and commented here. Legendary if you actually put it in your next email.
I can't believe they haven't teamed with Apex to make a true metal (steel) version of the M&P. With an Apex trigger it would be right there with Canik and Walther
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That sounds pretty cool no lie. But the caniks and walthers are pre cooked triggers so they would prolly still have a crispier break.
@@Blrdddd22223Probably. I’ve got a steel framed Walther and love it. But most of ecosystems-holsters mags etc-is built around the M&P series, so for me a steel M&P would be super enticing. I’m hoping they’ll come out with one. If not, I might just have to get the new 5 inch steel PDP…Or both lol
Yep, it’s the perfect team-up. If Canik can team up with Taran, then why can’t S&W team up with Apex? 😅 S&W unwilling to admit their triggers aren’t good enough maybe?
@@NightwoodGuns Very true, it would require some humility on S&W's part! Mec-Gar makes white label mags for tons of companies, so if Smith is too proud, there are ways to hide the relationship.
Love this channel. Honesty without paywalling things to squeeze money out of people.
I’m glad you’ve been enjoying! I’m stupid for doing it, tbh. There are good reasons why people paywall honest info. I’m keeping this up for as long as humanly possible because it’s barely sustainable. As long as I keep getting sponsors, I can do it.
I’m a S&W fanboy and I agree with everything you’ve said and the upgrades you made.
Great informative video.
All upgraded it’s amazing 👍
I love how passionate you are. You can tell that you don't just want to have a TH-cam channel, but you want to experiment with guns and you want to get information out there. I really enjoy watching your channel.
@@FiringLineShooting Thanks man. Thats exactly why I’m here. I’m also a consumer and a guntube viewer who got burned a few times and wanted to do better. I’m doing my best, making some mistakes, and improving along the way 👍
OMG- thank you, I’ve been looking at the M&P 2.0 Compact 4” barrel pistol anti like it a lot.
Then came the M&P Comp and it obviously works but I rather wait a couple years until the perfect it
Thank You for having the heart of a teacher and I greatly appreciate your sobering experience and comments about this pistol 🔫
Thanks for the nice comment. I’m glad you enjoyed the video, my friend 😎👍
Its a phenomenal gun! One of the best guns I've ever shot straight out of the box. I will be swapping triggers and that's about it.
Dude your reviews are incredible and you are so well spoken. Keep up the great work.
Wait until you find out that he graduated from ASU Summa Cum Laude. He's a screenwriter and a twice published novelist who just happens to be a gun nerd. 😁
Thanks man. Glad you enjoyed 😎👍
I happen to agree this is one of the better channels I’ve been to. It’s honest and direct and is not working for the industries. I have very special interest because I lost the use of my dominant arm 12 years ago. I had to go to using revolvers I currently use a chiappa rino 357 2 inch. He uses because the recoil is nothing with this particular revolver. It’s Moon. Let’s concealable I basically carry across carry bag. If I went to a M&P like this, it would need a lot of attention on the recoil and and would have to have a red dot mounted on it to help me rack the slide. I did contact Smith and Wesson. And they don’t have any intention of putting safeties on this gun in the near future. I’ve been trying to avoid going to a.DA/SA SYSTEM
Really appreciate your non-biased top tier reviews. Refreshing to get real pro/con information compared to many others. Also, S&W really needs to start adding that dimple to all 2.0's for the loaded chamber indicator area.
Glad you enjoyed! I agree on the dimple. Should be standard on all optic ready models moving forward.
I am very elderly. With that came increased sensation (recoil sensitivity), loss of some strength and aging vision. Iron sights don't matter much, although at close range I was able to use the iron sights of this same model pistol, which I purchased over the metal frame for its' increased concealability. I put an apex trigger on the pistol and it gave no improvement in trigger pull or pull weight, so I took it off. After 400 rounds the plastic sight mount for my Holosun 507C broke. The only negative I have for this pistol. I have ordered a metal sight plate and a Timney trigger, and, after watching this video, I have ordered the 13 pound recoil spring. I had completely given up on 9mm because of the pain involved in shooting the round, but I am very happily and comfortably shooting 9mm again. Except for the cheap sight plates, this pistol is a 10 out of 10.
A man of Culture.. I see you good man.
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Let’s be honest. How many folks here have bought any firearm and have not changed a single thing? If we were all carrying around the factory piece with no personalized changes, mods, upgrades, etc what would we have to talk about or post? There would be no need for the aftermarket. Trigger and iron site upgrades are all easily accomplished and personalize your firearm - both in this example better than a stock Glock. -which to the average consumer, is an upgrade. It’s legos folks. Great platform with some above average features and room to take it to another level if you choose to. Regardless, good video with some strong points!
I appreciate your take. You make a good point 👍 My intent is not to bash the gun, just to share my picky observations. Maybe it’ll help someone prepare for the costs of potential upgrades if they decide to purchase. 😎
I have a m&p 2.0 with an agency arms 118 single port comp. I 100% agree with your conclusion that the guns are over-sprung, as I had to go down to a 14lb recoil spring to get the recoil impulse to my liking. I used the gun at a Steel Challenge match last week and found it to be a joy to shoot when tuned properly. its been perfectly reliable with the comp and spring tuning, and i've had over 3K rounds through it in that configuration.
Thanks for sharing! That’s great to hear 😎👍
Do you think agency arms has come up with a package for this particular pistol yet?
Fair overview of the plus and minus of the Carry Comp. Smith did make a very attractive product, still has the issues you mentioned. Great on them with the way the port handles the gas as well as the loaded chamber indicator correction for optic users. The plastic plates are terrible. Well done overall. One of your best and fairest reviews.
I’m glad you enjoyed the video. Doing my best to learn and improve my reviews 👍
I was a police officer for a time. My first issued weapon was a Glock 22. I didnt like that gun. Full size Glocks cut the web of my hand so i prefer the 19/23 models. Not a problem with the 20/21 large frame guns. But our chief thought it would be cool to get the 22C ported models for some reason. He wasnt a gun guy and i wasnt impressed with the decision and neither was anyone else. But that 22C was a way nicer shooting gun. Still cut up the web of my hand of course. But follow up shots placed where you needed them were a lot faster. The fire from retention drills sucked due to the afterbirth coming up at you from the ports. But other than that i enjoyed shooting it. Which is good when it is in your best interest to get good with a particular weapon wether you like it or not. Then one day i just mentioned how i wish i could carry my Beretta M9A1 instead and my chief says "Why dont you? Just go tell Steve (city clerk) how much to send and where to send it to for your holster and mag pouches" So for a year i was getting slide cuts in my hand and a face full of muzzle blast for nothing thinking personal weapons were a no go. But yeah those ports do help even if you can handle the recoil without them. Plus plastic frame guns jump around more than aluminum or steel framed ones. Thats the trade off. The nicer it is to carry the less enjoyable to shoot. I did have a Glock 20 at one time. That gun recoiled a lot less than the the Glock 22 did even with real 10mm ammo in it.
Love my G22. 12 years and not one malfunction. Shoot it as good as any of my 9s. Never letting it go regardless of where all the trends go. Not discrediting anything you said just adding my 2 cents.
@rich1958 The two I was issued never malfunctioned either. 15rds of .40 is also not something to be ignored. I'm not sure the big drive to dump .40 in favor of 9mm by police is a good idea either. The chances of having to shoot through auto body and glass for a cop is at least 50/50 or more. A civilian is more likely to come up against construction materials and the idea is to not shoot through it so 9mm makes a lot of sense. As for the Glock they're not my thing but I feel their advocates who are sold on the product do have a lot of merit in what they're saying. One criticism of the Glock I don't understand , and it's not important apparently, is that they're ugly. I think they're kind of, well they're not sexy, but they're definitely a badass looking pistol. Also my longest serving CCW pistol was a Gen 2 Glock 23. 12 years. My former brother in law needed a gun and he really liked it a lot so I sold it to him with a He's My Daughter's Uncle discount and got something more to my taste and liking . A Walther P99AS. Which I like better but it's not a better gun. Costs less to shoot though lol
Thanks for the very informative and honest review. Years ago I owned an M&P that I used for competition. I could never quite master the articulated trigger and sold the pistol. This model with the right trigger and spring peaks my interest. I will have to check this one out.
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I really don't think $750 is alot of money for an M&P performance center pistol. VP9s at my ffl are anywhere from $750 to 1k. Glock MOS are $650-750. And Glocks suck. PDPs are about $700. So yeah, M&P with a comp thats optic ready. Good price for an accurate gun.
Your FFL sounds expensive tbh (not saying I think the price on this is bad).
Glad you didn’t mention $1000-$1200 spectre comps 😅
@@RonRogan smarter to go with a Sig P365XL with an Afterburner and Ramjet
It ain’t bad. Sometimes my videos can come across like I hate the gun, but I actually like it… just wish it was a little better 😅
Appreciate your reviews. You definitely mention many things that the schills omit.
I’m glad you enjoyed 👍
As always, if you want the real deets, Brett is the one to go to. I was a little sus with all the overwhelming positive reviews from other channels. Glad to know that that suspicion is well warranted!
My mistake. This gun is perfect. It is revolutionary, even. Smith and Wesson is the best company and every guntuber is great. Except for me, of course. *blinks twice* 🫥
The comparison POV of comp guns was great, nice work overall
Glad you enjoyed 😎👍
I appreciate the critique...I have carried and shot multiple M&P's... compact and full size version for the last 7 years. My current 1 is full size with ACRO and x300...it shoots well. Practice helps. I also compete with it. Carry comp has me curious....but totally fine with standard versions. This is with probably 30k through the platform....unfortunately I'm not hunterconstantine.
Standard versions are fantastic 👍
very informative video. great work!
Glad you enjoyed 👍
I got the metal version. Put 3 ports on the top. Pretty smooth shooter. Apex trigger probably next. Thanks for the spring suggestion.
Very nice! Apex is definitely the most impactful mod. Who did your ports? That’s a cool addition 😎👍
Really well articulated take.
Very informative and helpful review here. Rapidly becoming my favorite gun reviewer. Well done!
I’m glad you enjoyed 😎👍
I’m not sure how many thousands of rounds you have to put through them to get the optic to pop off but I have 4 M&P’s all with over 20,000 rounds on them with the original optics that I torqued on there years ago and I’ve never had an issue. And I rack my pistol off of the optics at least 75% of the time.
21,000. You are close! 🙌 Jokes aside, I think it’s more of a QC thing. I’ve seen 4 fly off. 2 of them I knew the person and I am certain they were torqued properly. All of them failed in the same way. Granted, I’ve seen hundreds of people in person whose optics didn’t get yeeted.
@@wessowell6616 I had my optic fly off my 10 mm. M&P with about 500 rounds with the plastic plate.
Ohhhh, morning drop! Can’t wait to see how you compare it to your Glock radian setup
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I appreciate your honesty. I have to say I am looking for my first S&W in a long time especially since they just relocated their HQ next door to me.
@@justinohara7215 Very nice! Well, this one is definitely a cool option 👍
The slide is made in TN, the frame is still Springfield, MA (at least on mine).
I appreciate the honest review. I'm a newbie and was torn between getting the Smith & Wesson or the Hellcat Pro Comp OSP, and I decided on the Hellcat
I’m glad the video was helpful 👍
I really like this offering as well as the Shield 2.0 Carry Comp... If they would offer with a manual safety, I would consider one or both...just my preference as options are a good thing. Those big window dots rock, but for edc, I would use the Holosun SCS-MP2 Gr. for this pistol...lower and no plate to deal with.
Nothing wrong with more options! 👍
I swapped in the apex in my 2.0 and it’s phenomenal
Best upgrade you can make to an M&P 👍
I have an SCS on the way for mine. I like the direct mount, low sitting dot is quicker and feels more natural for me on my g49 mos and pdp pro. Great review!
SCS is a great sight 👍 Enjoy!
still got a decent amount of muzzle jump for a big port (yeah, dont care what they call it, its not a compensator)!
Agreed. It’s better than nothing, but it doesn’t compare to more efficient ports/comps.
Solid ass review! Love the channel and content, thank you
It looks like the 2.0 basic optic ready version is the still the move for the price and performance. Add Apex trigger and optic and you’re done. As a side note to anyone, the American Guardians models (blue label equivalent) come with metal optic plates and 3 magazines as well as trijicon night sights
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Thanks for clearing up the hype about this pistol. I see no reason to swap my 3.6” M&P 2.0 for it now!
Yeah, you are solid with the OG 👍
I was debating between the OG 2.0 or the CC. You cleared my mind to make an informed decision. I'm not willing to pay hundreds more for roughly a 10ish% recoil reduction. Thanks for the no-shill review.
@@bayadger6970 Right on. I’m glad the review was helpful 👍
Great review! Still want one, but great points made!
It ain’t perfect, but I still love it 😎👍
Love mine. Changed to suppressor sights added an optic and done! Shoots great
Oh yea and put a 15 lb recoil spring. 1200 rounds in and zero malfunctions.
Edit: and I always change to a metal optic plate on my m&ps.
Very nice! We are on the same page 👍
@NightwoodGuns probably the only person who added a manual safety too. I've always been a thumb safety person. I know most don't approve but It's muscle memory at this point.....now I've ordered the 13 lb spring too after watching how flat yours shot. Never can have too many recoil springs anyway and the 15 shoots great. Did the 13 lb spring cause you any issues?
@@adventurfly879 No issues with the 13lb. The prototype DPM System is en route. Looking forward to testing that 👍
Great review! I agree with pretty much everything you said. Crazy thing is the changes we’re talking about are easssssy fixes too.
Yep, exactly 👍
Another great video. Really solid information before dropping the money for this pistol. Thanks!!!
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I’ve seen milling options for Shield Plus optics ready so you don’t need the plate anymore. Would love to find a service to do this for the standard M&P. Even the metal plates are just a no go for me.
I agree about the manual. Safety is an option, I contacted Smith and mentioned they’ve nothing on the books for this year for.
My question is where did you find a magwell that you don't have to swap to expensive after market base pads
I’d like to know as well
That’s an SLR Magwell
Right! I would like to know that myself. Please share this nugget
Yep, SLR Rifleworks. The compact model doesn’t require base pad swaps 👍
@NightwoodGuns well for me this video review was worth it just for that piece of information! Thanks!
Yes, you offer helpful info; as usual, I didn't know about the backboarding. I am considering getting one for range toy only because of its aesthetics. I have not done so yet because it didn't have manual safety. I avoid pistols with no manual safety or not have the option to install one. The 2.0 may be.
Fair enough 👍
Can you let me know what Magwell that is? And where you got it.
SLR Rifleworks 👍
I have the metal frame version, and I think it’s one of the best pistols I’ve ever shot. My only gripe about it is that the trigger doesn’t have any audible/tactile reset. That’s it love mine.
That’s great, I’m glad to hear you enjoy it 👍 I love mine now that I’ve tuned it up a bit.
It'd be cool if DPM made a kit for the Shield Plus Carry Comp also, in addition to this one.
Reach out to them. They’ll probably collab with you to get one made.
Thanks for the honest review. Really good info that is unbiased. Question? What magwell did you install?
@@ScottJohnson-h7y I’m glad you enjoyed the review! I was running the SLR Rifleworks magwell 👍
As always a very detailed review, Brett!
Glad you enjoyed the video 😎👍
I’ve wanted an 2.0 for a bit and the cool factor of this one sold me. I went with the metal. It’s definitely not my SF PDP, but it’s better than my G48. For me it’s a good blend of the 2. Did I mention the cool factor?! 😂
Definitely a cool pistol! I’d say it was a good choice! 😎👍
The M&Ps are some of the smoothest shooting guns on the market to begin with, WITHOUT a comp/port. I'd imagine these Carry Comps are even MORE smooth & flat shooting. I'm looking forward to being able to rent & shoot either the metal full-size or the polymer compact. As for the crappy factory plastic plates, I'd go with Calculated Kinetics Dogtag plates. Their plates are, BY FAR, the best designed plates on the market. The only other company I buy plates from besides CK is Eleven 71 Design. While they're pretty pricey, they have the ABSOLUTE TIGHTEST tolerances of ANY plate company out there. They're a 1 man, 1 machine outfit based in my homestate of TN. The guy makes his plates by hand out of titanium. I got 1 of his RMR plates for my PDP & think it's worth every penny.
That being said, I'll be interested to compare it to my Shadow Systems MR920P, which I think shoots like a pellet gun. From your review, I'm thinking the MR920P DOES shoot better. But as a soon to be former PDP Pro owner, I can sympathize shooting a gun that's over-sprung.
Where'd you get your spring & what brand is it, & what optic plate are you running?
Ed Brown guide rod and spring. And it’s a C&H plate. You are right, Calculated Kinetics is so much better. That’s normally what I run.
Very good review and thus why you are my go to reviewer! I admit I am a m&p fan boy and really wanted this too based off looks alone; I may wait now.
I agree with other comments that either team up or make an even better trigger. Its been like 15 years of toss a apex in it.
I too question the stippling item. I seem to recall imports it is an issue, but this is a states gun. So there must be something more to it.
My thoughts exactly 👍
I share the peeve of S&W not putting suppressor height sights on the new Preformance Center M&P's. I have the older V port version and those models can with suppressor height sights.
Yep, exactly 👍💯
It's carry comp, not competition comp. High sights ruin holster options
S&W has terrible suppressor height sights though. They are just standard white 3 dot. With the terrible plastic plates s&w come with the scs is the best option on this gun unless you want to spend an additional $70-90 on metal optics plates.
@@Jeeper906 This is actually a good take. Though I’d prefer if they would have just put the lower 1/3rd Night Fisions on it. That way it would be good with all combos.
Great video! The comps and ports are very popular. Not my thing, certainly good to have more options.
Exactly, nothing wrong with more options 👍
Good info thanks. Looking forward to when that DPM drops.
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I know you have the BUL Armory Axe Tomahawk... as do I, and I j just picked up the Carry Comp. So, how does this compare to the BUL, IYO? I'd love to see a comparison video!
The Tomahawk is definitely flatter. But you can’t throw an M&P Apex trigger in it 😅
What ammo were you shooting? These ported/comped
Pews need gas to work right. It gonna get it from 124 or 147. Go 115 or 100 or lighter and get that +p+ fps and you’ll notice a much bigger difference with the comp.
I have Full builds of ported/comped M&P’s from Monsoon(3) SWP(2) Magnaport(2) Floyds(3)
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We love 65gr Norma and 12/13# springs. Try it. You’ll love it!
I shot some 115, mostly 124, and my carry ammo 124 +P. It performed poorly with all of the above with the OEM recoil spring assembly. Once I started experimenting with lighter springs, it started to run as expected. Especially with the +P. Stacking holes while splitting doubles with HSTs. Not as efficient as more effective port patterns or comps, but it’s a little better than a stock barrel. 👍
Broooo, I JUST GOT DONE watching the Honest Outlaw video (also a Patreon) of his 5 top pistols and number one was the M&P 2.0 Carry Comp, then I casually browse to your channel and this is the first thumbnail I saw. 😭 I want to love it so badly, I hope there aren't any major cons.
Nah, only minor cons. But it ain’t perfect. I’m surprised it’s his number one. I could see it *maybe* with an Apex trigger… but stock? I don’t know. I guess lists are subjective for a reason. I have my own Top 5 list that I’m sure people would disagree with 😅
@@NightwoodGuns He got it a few weeks ago and I think he's still in the honeymoon phase, but to be honest he said everything he would've done to rice it out was already done. I think that was his biggest factor.
@@livefreeprintguns Makes sense. I just had to add a magwell, trigger, metal optic plate, 1/3 lower co-witness sights, lighter recoil spring and I would prefer a more efficient comp/port design… not ready to go out of the box for me, but again it’s subjective I suppose. Now that I’ve added all that stuff, I love it though! 😅👍
@@NightwoodGuns I had no idea they made it in a Polymer frame, I thought for some reason they only came in all metal.
@@livefreeprintguns Yep. Only the compact though. I wish they also made a polymer full size, lol.
I’m going to go out on a limb and say 75%+ of their customers emails in the last three years complained about factory suppressor-height sights because the direct-fit Holosun SCS is their most popular optic (by a wide, wide, WIDE margin).
So to save the headache of complaints from the masses they now anger the big glass people. 😂
“Nobody is happy so it’s a good compromise”
I wonder how many people didn’t email them that were happy with the co-witness sights? 🤔 Granted, those suppressor height co-witness sights were a little on the high side. A lower 1/3 or 1/5 co-witness for an RMR footprint seems to be a good compromise for me. Would probably be an absolute co-witness with the SCS.
Where are you getting the data on the optics usage?
You noticed The exact same things that I noticed. I got in arguments with people because I said that I was super disappointed with the compensation. And they didn't see it ..I also noticed that it seemed like the biggest problem was that it was oversprung. I never got my hands on other recoil springs to try before selling the one I had, but I figured that getting some Springs from DPM systems would probably make it feel a lot better. Just like you, I was super super excited to see Smith and Wesson release this gun... But I was disappointed in the way it felt, especially since the one I actually shot was the aluminum frame one.
Why the heck didn't they release it with a steel frame?
And why the heck didn't they just put lower 1/3 co-witness sights on it?
@@FiringLineShooting It’s not a bad gun by any means, but I think we bring up some fair critiques 🤷♂️
Hi, I like all your comments are very honest and very much to the point, abit of a backstory here. i’ve lost use on my dominant arm about 12 years ago. Because of my issues of racking the slide one-handed, I I started using revolvers, which were much easier for me to control. I’m considering moving into that arena now with a semi automatic, but some of the issues that you have addressed here really Home . since I can’t do the work myself can you recommend a good gunsmith? Who does this kind of work on this particular model,, the only downside I have with this particular model is, even after the work would be the fact that Smith is not going to manufacture a safety. Preferences to keep one in the chamber always, in the event of an emergency situation, but I think I can train around this, any suggestions will be helpful with a really good gunsmith who is working with this new model, and incorporating the changes that you talked about others that may be I’m not aware of.
I use a place called Wright Armory in Mesa, AZ. They are a little pricey, but they will do anything 👍
I’m more interested in the comped shield plus. With a 10 round mag you can wear a tightish tshirt and basketball shorts and it’s invisible. 13/15 rounders for looser clothing.
Looks like a good offering 👍
NANOMACHINES SON!
Great review, love the MGR Reference!
MGR hits so hard! 😎👍
Damn, that 13lb recoil spring should be a must buy for anyone with this gun!
@@MichaelSchwab-nk4rm Yep. It definitely makes a difference 👍
@NightwoodGuns Jeez, looked like it made a Big difference. What is the Stock spring sprung at? Does it say on it?
Not sure. It’s either 16 or 15. Pretty sure it’s 16.
@NightwoodGuns Good info Sir. I'm definitely ordering that combo with the Apex trigger. Did you throw the Apex in yours as well? Big difference?
Yep, Apex is the best upgrade for M&Ps. I like using the factory trigger return spring and the Apex duty sear spring 👍
Are you saying the carry comp with Apex trigger is nicer than the micro dagger with the Johnny Glock 4311? Can you do a direct comparison of the two?
@@lavidacigars I would say muzzle rise reduction is a little better on the micro dagger, actually 😬 But it’s a smaller gun, so the actual recoil is a little more. It punches a little harder. An M&P Apex trigger is better than the Johnny Glocks trigger, though. Specifically the M&P Apex though. JG beats Apex Glock triggers.
put it against the shadow systems xr920p or the cr920xp comp guns
Shadow Systems comp would likely win out.
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Nice. I shot the Shield version and it seems like not a big reduction, and being 4" not 3.1" meh though looked cool and I would like the longer barrel. And boy, do I have a review targeted right at you Brett coming soon.....
Nice, Dan! 😎👍
I prefer the ported Shield Plus PC... Just my preference.
The ports work a little hard than this “comp”
Excellent video with a lot of good information. Great job
I’m glad you enjoyed 👍
I like the idea of this and I WOULD get the metal version if I didn't already have 2. I have the standard grey metal and the green SPEC series metal, which I sent to Monsoon for the Lucky 7's porting. That thing is superb.
Lucky 7’s is SO good 👍
A list of the parts you got for it would be cool just bought one have not done anything to it yet
Apex trigger, SLR Rifleworks Magwell, Calculated Kinetics optic plate, Holosun 507 Comp, Ed Brown guide rod with 13lb recoil spring, Night Fision Lower 1/3rd co-witness sights, Streamlight TLR-7 HL-X. Makes it go from “meh” to monster.
Bushnell rxc has really good optic that direct mount
Interesting 👍
I do like the M&P but the complete breakdown is a pain in the ass and I wouldn't recommend this pistol for a bug out tool imo. But it really is a nice shooter.
Do you think the aluminum frame would mitigate the comp recoil at all?
@@CQNikAhiii Only because you can get a better grip on the longer grip with rougher grip texture. The aluminum frame itself would not offer any benefit.
That add for football bro let’s go
You know me, can’t get enough of that foosball! 😅🙌
Got a used one for $800.. shot solid but the first thing I ordered for it before I even bought it was an extended tear drop mag release, that mag release is kind of awkward if you’ve never held or shot a S&W before but having baby hands don’t help either haha. That was my biggest gripe on it and oh the fact that they didn’t have 2 mags and optics plates for me. Ended up ordering a plate off of Calculated Kinetics for an eps carry so we’ll see what that’s all about!
Thanks for sharing your experience. I love Calculated Kinetics 👍
Do you think a Monsoon Tacticial Porr would reduce more Recoil than this carry comp?
Depends on the Monsoon port. But most of his work would definitely be more efficient than this. 👍
I have an M&P 2.0, it definitely dirties up the optic. I’d say, 200 rounds or so it starts to get noticeable, but I’ve shot 1k without cleaning it and could still see the dot fine.
I wish they’d add the new dimple to all models 😅
Are you also having issues with the slide stop and trigger jamming it up like Humble Marksman had? Although he had the metal version.
@@potentpoefie Nope, I think that was just an issue with the metal one. Trust me, if that would have happened to me it would have been in the title and the thumbnail 😅
Good stuff! If this gun's comp reduces muzzle rise by ~10%, what about the slide comp/expansion chamber on the original sig xmacro? Also ~10%?
I think you mentioned once before to not rack the slide with the 507Comp due to its glass bulge?
I understand that "return to zero" (where the gun sits after the action cycles) is king regarding speed of follow-up shots (moreso than muzzle rise or felt recoil) and ammo load choice, slide mass, and recoil spring weight will all play a part, among other factors as you know. For self defense ammo, I know your XC and Bul guns reign supreme in the 2011 platform but what striker gun setup that you've shot or owned has yielded the fastest follow-up shots?
Thank you sir
I’d say the Macro comp is probably 15% 😅
Yeah, just don’t rack the 507 comp on a steel bar. Otherwise it’ll be fine 👍
As far as striker guns go… The Walther PDP Steel Frame is superb. For a modded option, the M&P 2.0 with Apex trigger and Monsoon Tactical Lucky 7s ports is hard to beat.
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Just got myself a 13lb spring from Ed Brown. Metal carry comp. I shoot New Republic 115grain. Ive had folks saying that the lighter recoil spring can cause damage and only really meant for sub sonic rounds. What are your thoughts?
I mean, change OEM stuff on your gun at your own risk. But I haven’t seen any signs of abnormal wear on mine. I have the prototype DPM System en route and I always prefer that since it better protects the gun with the progressive springs. But the 13 lb spring will be fine. 13 lbs is not a super light spring especially with the “comp.” If you are going to shoot a steady diet of +P or +P+ then I’d switch to a heavier spring.
@@NightwoodGuns Appreciate that insight!
You’re right about the slide release on the last models especially the Shield Plus, it’s impossible to release.
Yeah, it was crazy 😅
@@NightwoodGuns I went to my local gun shop on my lunch break to check out and handle the MP Comps and your right again about the sharp edges especially on top of the barrel. Although I find that the firearm is very close to a master piece and as we all know Smith and Wesson has made quit of few through years. I honestly love what they did to this new line of MP comps so much that I think I’ll treat myself to Metal version just because of the 17 rd mag. All 3 are just beautiful 👍🏻
Your video on this is spot on and I appreciate your time and effort but most importantly your honesty
Best Regards 👍🏻🇺🇸
@@Mako-sz4qr Despite its flaws, I still love it 👍 I’m glad you enjoyed the review!
Are you planning on trying out the CR920XP by Shadow Systems?
I’d like to, it’s just hard for me to drop nearly 1k on a Glock right now 😅 If I find a used one at my local shop or someone loans one to me, I will 👍
Great review Paul Harrell would be Proud RIP
I don’t know about that 😅 But, RIP indeed. A decent man who deserved to live longer.
@@NightwoodGuns Indeed my friend. Its on my bucket list to do a class with you before you get too famous 😂
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I've got 3 ported guns, they don't spit shavings or fire I also use SS guide rods. Maybe your ports weren't machined correctly.
Yep, my ports from Glock, S&W, LTT, and Bul Armory were all machined incorrectly. Crazy coincidence 😅
Who is the manufacture of the extended mag well? Thanks!
SLR Rifleworks 👍
If I needed validation (which I don't) I would have it now. All of the points you bring up I mentioned in a bunch of the early glowing reviews. People called me a troll. I like the gun, I have the Metal version, so for a $1,000 Performance Center model, it just doesn't do it.
Even the little bit of pushback I’ve gotten on this video is kind of crazy. People really get tribal about this stuff even if you are just telling the truth. My more positive reviews always get nicer comments. No wonder everyone is a shill. More people like you AND you get industry favors. Win-win 🤣
Bul Armory ported for the win
It breaks the laws of reality 😅
Thanks for the honest review. Was thinking about buying this but have to pass. Will probably pick up the threaded barrel version and just put an after market comp on it.
Nothing wrong with that 👍
Looks like a pdp pro with the monsoon tactical lucky 7s is the best option 😅
Awesome trigger and best ports. Hard to beat 😅 M&P with an apex trigger and dime bag ports from Monsoon might beat it out though 👀
Are these the sights you used NIghtfision 311-402 Front .311" height above slide .376 OAL, Rear .402" height above slide .492" OAL
Just checked my invoice. .311” front and .402” rear are the only numbers I can see. So I’m sure that’s right 👍
I’m having a different shooting experience with the metal. The sights could have been taller fa sure. I’m not the biggest fan of suppressor height sights. But there had to be a happy medium. The trigger is good but underwhelming for a PC. I prefer stock but I’m looking to apex this one. Giving it a little more break in time first. My compact M&P broke in very good.
Right on 👍
What magwell did you get? SLR Rifleworks?
Yep, SLR 👍
These new M&P Comps seem like they _should_ check all the right boxes.
In fact, I had really high hopes for these new additions to a rather old lineup. Unfortunately, and as evident by your assessment; they tend to be lacking in certain aspects.
Perhaps a comparison request/test if I may: the _Walther PPQ M2 Q5 Match SF Pro._ It seems like a worthy opponent to the other striker-fired, alloy frame pistols currently on the market. Maybe even the new Daniel Defense H9 _v2,_ when and if they ever release it. Could just be a "silent release" for all we know.
Let us not forget that PSA also has their SWCH on the horizon. Which, if I am not mistaken, is a patent purchase from Live Free Armory's AMP pistol. Although, nobody will either confirm or deny it. Granted those three competitors are lacking a comp but the rest of the criteria matches.
I, for one, am happy to see this small resurgence of striker-fire pistols with metal frames. Not just steel but _all_ the alloys. Many of us have grown accustom to and tired of the polymer pistols over the years. It is nice to see some new options.
Nevertheless, I appreciate you staying true to your roots, Brett. If I had a channel, it would certainly reflect yours. After all - great minds think alike and we certainly like to speak our minds here in the great state number Forty Eight!
Stay classy (and humble) my friend.
I always appreciate your comments. 😎👍
excellent review thank you good sir.
Glad you enjoyed the review 😎👍
Buying it just as soon as I can find one.
Hopefully you can find one soon 👍
I love this gun. Its great, but i still tell everyone to wait atleast a year after release to buy one..they always have issues with the first few batches. For some reason all manufacturers use their customers as beta testers.
Great advice. Luckily this one didn’t have any issues I’m aware of. Unless my super sharp serrations weren’t supposed to be that sharp 😅
@@NightwoodGuns that's awesome that you got a good one! Look up other videos on this gun. Multiple TH-camrs have reported issues. It's the same with the Springfield echelon, Walther PDP and the Sig p365 fuse.
@@Thomk121 Yep, it happens every time 🤦♂️
Did you make a list physical of the upgrades to the M&P 2.0 or only just mention them in the video?
Just mentioned them in the vid. Apex Forward Set metal trigger, Holosun 507 Comp, C&H optic plate (but I prefer the Calculated Kinetics plate), SLR Rifleworks magwell, Night Fision Lower 1/3 sights, Ed Brown guide rod and 13 lb spring.
Thanks. I just picked one up today and looking forward to the journey.
Can I get info about magwell and where you bought it.
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I put my tungsten grey competitor receiver on mine. I will certainly take your input on the 13# spring and the apex trigger. I don't mind the soft reset of the stock trigger but always looking for upgrading my understanding of what's good.
13# definitely made a difference for me when shooting very fast splits. And the Apex is incredible. Most people prefer the flat one. The curved one is mostly for short trigger reach. I like the OEM trigger return spring and the Apex duty sear spring combo.
@NightwoodGuns what recoil spring did you use? I'm looking at Ed Browns 13# flat recoil spring.
@@adamwaterman1229 Yep, Ed Brown guide rod and 13lb spring. I ordered the 15,13,11 to test. If I could do it over again I’d go 15,14,13. Everything under 13 was too light for the Carry Comp.