How Hard can it be to Build a New Hornby Loco in the UK? (Part 1)
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- How hard can it be to build a new Hornby locomotive in the UK? Jenny visited Hornby to meet with Phil Morley, designer of the Black 5 model locomotive, and take up a challenge. She's going to attempt to build the first Hornby locomotive in the UK since the mid-1990s!
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Chapters:
00:00 Video Start
00:10 Introduction
01:07 Sponsored by Tramfabriek and Clark Railworks
02:10 Interview with designer Phil Morley
09:44 The pieces of the Black 5
12:20 Assembling the Black 5 tender
25:02 Conclusion
26:00 Thanks and sponsors - แนวปฏิบัติและการใช้ชีวิต
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My Dad used to call things 'Friday afternoon specials' or 'Jerry built', now we have 'Jenny built'. 🤣
It never ceases to amaze me that as a hobby, people have so little respect for the model makers, mainly in China, who do extraordinary working in assembling the fantastic models we can buy now. If you think OO is challenging, just look at the finely detailed models in TT:120 😳 they are stunning!
Absolutely!
Huge task, respect for even taking it on
Thanks!
This or the locomotives in bits needs to be sent to all of those who complain about the prices of the models to see if they can make these models in the same timescale and keep under the time to make the build job profitable.
would be interesting to know how many the factory workers are expected to produce in a shift.
Over the forty plus years of adult model railway modelling (starting at 17 years old) I've assembled numerous locomotives from kits, and also disassembled, painted, DCC equipped, and reassembled many more locomotives. Still, looking at the level of detail and complexity of modern model locomotives even I am awed by what's involved in designing and building them. I can appreciate why almost no current model train company offers locomotive kits anymore. Most would probably end up being returned to them by the customer in order to correct them and make them work.
I struggled with this build, and I had access to the advice of the model’s designer and consider myself pretty competent.
I laughed when Phil mentioned not opening all the bags.
Anyone who's ever bought a complex lego set and tipped all the numbered bags out to start. Will get it. 😂
But this takes that to the nth degree.
Gteat Idea, cant wait to see the next part.
Thanks!
Got to see your upside down magnetic loco on tv last night.
Pure brilliance .
On my Japanese layout I'm using led back lights and projection for backgrounds.
Another great and interesting video, so many parts! I'd never be able to assemble it.
Thanks!
Found this video really interesting can't wait to see the second part, I will admit I wouldn't of had the patients to do what you've done in this video.
Thanks!
Really enjoyed that and look forward to part two. I suppose the next stage would be a trip to the factory in China to see them assemble a loco!
Fascinating insight into the complexity of putting these models together. Although assembly line workers would get familiar with the assembly process, perhaps I shouldn't complain so much about the price of these locomotives given the amount of meticulous work that has gone into putting them together.
I’d certainly get better and faster for each one. However the work is mentally and physically taxing and anyone who thinks minimum wage would cut it has no idea of the realities of the World. This would need some serious premium pay.
Great job, Jenny! I've never trusted my soldering skill. I would never make the locomotive model run lol
Looking forward to seeing the 2nd part. Cheers Patt
Thanks!
This was interesting to me as I have worked on an assembly line. I had to know how to make all the sub assemblies to finishing the product and testing, so I could teach others how to to it.
I’d love to see these sold as knock down kits
I get the feeling they'd not be into that these days as it would muddy the waters greatly as to what is or isn't an issue on their end once the models started entering the market as second hand items, you know some naughty person would seek out a box appropriate for it and stick it in there and sell it as a preassembled one.
The problem is that most people would make a hash of it and it would cause too many issues for the manufacturer as a result.
Goodness me, I'm wondering how long that it took Zoe to edit all these!
But, yes, putting these things together is seriously skilful.
A while!
In some of the shots, you looked really stressed by this build. Just goes to show what is involved in building one of these models
It was mentally extremely taxing. You have to be ‘on’ 100% of the build.
Making the models in the Uk requires millions of pounds in investment in a state of the art production facility, training / development of staff & a logistics operation to distribute the end product. Manufacturing can return to the UK now that the SEZ's/ Freeports are up & running to take advantage of generous tax breaks / state subsides, these areas have vast powers , the main area is that for the staffs wages / working conditions / working hours to be driven down the country has to remove itself from the ECHR that protects these regulations.
Making models to standards in excess of Hornby is a everyday occurence for Marklin whose models are made in Hungary & Roco who make theirs in Romania, trick is why Hornby are not using these companies to make their models closer to the UK rather than 3rd party vendors located thousands of miles away & the time it takes for the prototypes, samples etc to be mailed back & forward to China from Margate. One can have very little respect for Hornby selling out its UK workforce to move the production to China to cut costs, take adavantage of so called far superior far eastern tooling technology of which if you have any of Marklins / Rocos stuff the German / Austria eastern europe is just as good if not better, especially with regard to the grades of metal used / tolerances etc.
My understanding is Hornby essentially had to move production to China in order to offer the same detail improvements that Bachmann were starting to offer. I believe Bachmann had already moved their production to China before Hornby. 20 years ago, the new Chinese made products were far better than anything Margate had produced. Over those years I think the Chinese have had too much input in the upgrading process and materials specified. We hear stories now of how Chinese producers are using off-spec (cheaper) materials and duping the European/US customers into believing they did use specified materials. A simple example would be if a European designed product might specify that there should be 0% regrind in the plastic but the Chinese injection moulders could easily add 10-20% and it will still look OK but won't be to spec.
Driving down wages to Chinese standards is not the answer. Modern process and automation combined with a skilled workforce can definitely succeed in "onshoring" even complex and detailed manufacturing. The Raspberry Pi is proof of that. It takes money, determination and sufficient volume sales, but it can be done without putting workers on the poverty line.
I wouldn’t be so quick to extoll the virtues of Roco these days. Terrible issues and completely uninterested in customer service. Wages are not ‘low’ in China and haven’t been for decades, particularly in skilled areas including model making and assembly.
If it’s a choice between having a model railway item built in UK at the expense of lowering all our wages, increasing our taxes and losing our human right protections as citizens, so as to enable bigger margins for business owners, or maintaining our salary levels, employee rights and principles of democratic accountability while existing model-making workers elsewhere in the world continue in employment to support themselves and their families, I know which I would prefer personally.
@@Teesbrough I doubt there is sufficient skilled model makers in UK to build RTR models and there certain isn’t any of the specialised equipment. It would as mentioned take £millions to even make a start and everyone moans at current prices.
the question is can they be bothered companies and how much money do they gain from sweatshop labour
I’d prefer buying I assembled models from Hornby and put them together myself!… As I do not trust Hornby to put anything together properly. Whenever I buy a new model I always rebuild it properly. I have built over 1000 locos and could do this entire assembly in 60 mins max!
Yet you hide behind a false ID and photo. I doubt you are a genuine clone of the rock.