This video has made me realize that I have conceptualized the "hit" incorrectly forever. I had been so focused on the "10 oclock" idea that I could not figure out what was wrong when I let my chest stay parallel to the line, but my arm swing forward off the line to get the back of my hand to that "10 oclock" position. This explanation and the angle down the line especially are perfect for explaining and showing what the "hit" actually means.
I've found that once I truly learned to whip the disc I can really FEEL the weight of the disc. Also, when I slooowed down my footwork drastically, it allowed so much more room for my torso & shoulders to work properly.
This is a great follow-up to the "want a pro form " video. Thank you, guys,for the content. As I mentioned before, I am on a journey to teach myself and build a form. Watching your videos has helped me a lot.
This helps sooo much. Prior trying to whirly bird, I would bounce the disc off my chest, and felt the pocket was condensed. The pros always talk about speed and explosion. This drill helps to keep me open and generate speed. Thank you.
All right, these last two videos have been the most helpful for my game. Thank you so much. Every time I would try to power up on the disc, I would think of making my hips fire first really fast and every time my arm wouldn’t get through in time, and I would either hit myself with a disc or early release. It makes so much sense now that I need to arm the disc and get it into the power pocket. For my mid effort drives, I don’t have this issue, though I’m still not getting the disc into the power pocket well enough. *edited for grammar
So I've been on the road working and haven't got to do any practice/fieldwork to incorporate this but I did make it to a course today and went in attempting to throw "behind" myself. Just kinda rethinking these last moments of the drive I noticed so much more power going into the disc along with amazing accuracy when I got into the woods. I'm going to keep working on this! Hands down the best internet coach Josh, I can only imagine in person training with you. Thank you!
Thank you Josh. I share these videos with a buddy of mine every time you drop them. We are both just getting to the point where maybe 1-2 out of 10 throws are pushing to 400’ and beyond. Your last video really helped me get more distance quickly and this will definitely be another next step in that process. I got a goal of just hitting 500’ flat ground, even if it’s just once in 2024.
I feel really strongly that this is already THE quintessential DG form/coaching channel. Even so, it's impressive that you continue to improve with every new video. Hands down the best resource anywhere to learn the game. Your ability to shed light on the evolution of disc golf form (and how it's taught) is super informative and an invaluable resource for people who are going through that journey themselves. Also, y'all are crushing it in terms of production value lately. K, done being a gross fanboy. Just grateful for how much these vids have helped my form. Y'all rock.
I watched this yesterday. I had to watch it again because I was sure I imagined it. I used to post on Reddit that the disc should move on a straight line from extension to release. I was told I was wrong. I think you are saying that was a correct statement. I was just trying to help people stop extending behind their body. Drives me crazy to see people do that. Very common mistake. I spent time trying to reach away more but found just keeping that 90 degree angle from chest to bicep worked best for me. I don’t feel like throwing my tech disc into the net right now. I can practice this in virtual reality instead. Keep helping us learn!
This is great stuff. The only thing I'm skeptical of is the straightening of the throwing arm at the end. I currently believe that there is at least a small amount of tricep engagement to fire the disk out of the deep pocket. But I agree that it is better just to think of it as a passive thing and not try to force the arm straight at any particular time. Great follow up to your last video. Lots to work on over the winter - keep up the great work.
I believe in your process, I just don't have the patience to work it! Lol. Every time I go out - for either a round or field work - I have a plan to focus on a specific form improvement and think something will click "this time". But there's never a click. Or a snap. I just end up hucking discs and getting the same short results. Lord, grant me the wisdom to accept what must be done (completely forget everything and start fresh) and the patience to work these drills one part at a time.
Dr. Bob Rotella, a highly regarded sports psychologist and golf coach had some really good wisdom in "Golf is not a game of Perfect" about training. He talks about the training mentality, and the trusting mentality. The training mentality is about breaking down your shots critically and analytically, the trusting mentality is accepting what you've trained as your new swing and feels like reckless abandon. The way I interpreted these trainings and imported them into my own training is that, I'll work on a drill about 40% of my training, accept that I've done this, then trust that I've worked on it, focus on a target downrange and trust my body to try it. If it's satisfactory, repeat the cycle and try to figure out the kinks in your swing, but the main idea is that if you are just hucking without trust and focus, you'll fail.
You guys mentioned making a data video in the future testing out different grips and seeing how the results compare when using them. In that video can you breakdown and show how you form the grips both on the top and the bottom of the disc and the finger alignments? I feel like I always second-guess finger alignment and positioning, with the pivot point included (like what part of my thumb should be the part supplying pressure into the index finger). Would also love some discussion on what the fingers that aren't the thumb on the index finger should do as far as pressure and pushing the disc into the palm (some pressure, a little pressure, no pressure and just along for the ride, etc) Or a separate in-depth grip video. Love you guys!
This is a great, simple breakdown of a concept that is very difficult to master. Thank you for making it easy enough for me to understand! I’ve been stuck around 350 ish for over two years now, and I’m pretty athletic and in my mid 20’s. Maybe this will get me consistently over 400!
Its good to know that my progression of throwing tons of standstills into a net with the radar gun was likely helpful (oddly once I started that my distance increased whenever I went to a feild after) aka i think most people should be able to throw about 80% or more max distance, with a stand still, so far as I can tell, thats how important the arm is.
Exactly the drills I need. Been trying to get into the deep power pocket for a while now. I know what to do, but my body just will not execute it out on the course due to my muscle memory. Time to reprogram.
This makes a lot of sense. I’m pulling with my right shoulder which is causing a pocket collapse/rounding and also causing my disc to be above my elbow. I guess I need to focus on pulling with the elbow or simply elbowing something in front of me. I’m not sure how much distance this will add if done correctly, but I’m chasing 400 ft and my longest recorded drive is 390.
It's insane how much your videos help me. I went from 50-70ft backhands to 250ish. I feel like once I practice step 2 and 3 more I might hit 300+. Would love to see a forehand grip and release tech disc video. Do each grip and see the results (spin, speed, wobble) Then do a serving the pizza vs normal release comparison.
This has me really thinking about the role of the X-step in a whole new way. Before with building the kintetic chain it seemed really important to get that stretch feeling. But now with lower body effort maybe it's more about getting the hips into the correct orientation smoothly and with low effort.
This is interesting. Your last video shows the arm collapsing to the chest when leaving it as loose and as limp as possible, but in reality, that can't happen if your upper arm is fully protracted forward in the shoulder socket, and the elbow is up on the swing plane. It seems like things you've previously taught (twirly bird/unboxing drill/etc) lend themselves well to the arm lagging the shoulder and swinging a wide-arc, trebuchet style, as taught by sidewinder and ace-it DG. I've had tremendous success myself with this style (got me to 450 playing at 5000 ft of elevation). Was I misunderstanding your old teachings, or did you have a change of opinion?
One thing that is important to notice here I think is, that you REALLY have to be sure to not rip or raise your Elbow when you are in the deep Pocket (or get into it). So it becomes even more important to control the angel of the disc with the angel of your upper body, otherwise it will result in a lot of shankjobs and can potentially harm your Elbow (Tennis Elbow comes to mind).
Question I’ve been struggling with on this. When I don’t move my body or shoulders forward in rotation and I move my arm through across my chest and slap my back of my hand towards the target I always snap my elbow. I’ve been having pain with it. How do I prevent snapping the elbow? When I create the snap my arm eventually straightens and pulls me around. During the straightening it gets the pressure of the force you used for throwing.
@@OverthrowDiscGolf that is where I started wondering about it because I do brush or slap the back of my hand to the Target but since I’ve been playing ball golf for seven years before picking up disc golf and you had to rotate your entire body for that before impact, I have a terrible time of over rotating, so I am trying to do the complete opposite to train my body by letting my arm pull me around well after the disc is snapped out, but it is now causing the arm to go straight as it’s pulling me around. is there anyway I can throw the disc with just the arm and steel rotate to prevent the snapping rotating early? If it is of any help, I am keeping my shoulders at 11 o’clock as long as possible until my arm pulls me around I don’t know if the shoulders should rotate some
Okay that makes sense. I've noticed this morning practicing some that the two things preventing my elbow from snapping is not "helping" the disc and having my shoulders somewhat open. I just always thought that was something that would cause right releases. Thank you for taking the time to help!
hey Josh, interested to try this out. You seem to be doing quite the swoop on your pull through though. Is that how it's supposed to be? Your reach back rises as you reach back, which then leads to disc much higher than elbow at pull through. which makes you swoop back up to prevent from throwing it straight into the ground (although it does look like you're throwing it very low on the throw too). Very pronounced on your 6:02 throw Just curious if this is intended or what your thoughts are
The whip. The conservative of momentum. Inputting energy to move a large mass and as that mass extends and reaches its maximum allowed travel distance, it must impart its energy to the portion of the "whip" still free to move. Consentrating that energy into a smaller and smaller amount of mass until the velocity must be incredibly high to have the same momentium that a much larger mass had at the start with a much smaller velocity.
Ok, so now after 2+ years of religiously practicing and finally getting your hips-first/disc lag/wide rail/etc form into muscle memory exactly the way you taught it, there's a new form, the old way is out, and was wrong all along for its closed pocket and all the other reasons you mention. Great. Now the world shifts to "arming", which is exactly what we shouldn't have done with your prior form. And the notion of "knocking down the wall" with one's elbow is now a good thing. Ok, progress and all. I'm not being negative, just disappointed the last years were spent learning a way that turns out to be limiting. I have to be honest in saying after years of Ultimate and then jumping into disc golf the arming thing felt more natural and I had to unlearn it to take up your previous form. Now I'll try arming again. I was getting good distance with your old form but never really killing it, and was actually wondering about it..and when I just let loose with what felt natural (turns out it was arming) I threw long. Not accurately, but that would come. I respect your teaching highly, hence my following it closely. That said, honest question: How is it that the new arming from came into vogue? Like did people discover that some pros who had a non-standard style were killing it? What is it that makes it superior? Is there a pro or three that does it and are winning tournaments, and who are they? Hope this one doesn't change as soon as I get it down. :-}. But ok, progress and all.
@@OverthrowDiscGolf Which video are you referring to, please? Also, what should I be paying attention to in that video and/or comparing to The Whip, given my comments? Thanks.
I have a question when I pull through my hand tends to go above my elbow and also I tend to pull through with my disc on hyzer in my pull through how do I fix this
Deep curl... But I'm a few steps behind cuz I over rotate. You're doing A deep curl from the pedestal of Path in, path out. I preach it, but I can't reproduce it. But it's right. You're right. It's just, nobody listens to me. I don't either.
I noticed when you were drilling the front leg only throws with the pro player yall were almost hitting max speed just with the plant foot and arm.. it made me pause to think. Now im seeing these last two videos and also seabass did the whip step drill and i realize ive neglcted my front legs power. I think these are my missing pieces. Arm it into the pocket. Jam the plant foot hard and crank the front hip back.
I used the illustration of your body is a flag pole and your arm is the flag switching direction with the wind, does this work? If the pole is leaning over then the radius would be different or tilted. Thoughts?
I realize that at this point you've probably got me on ignore, but I'm gonna try to clarify my position anyway. The sequence is foot, knee, hips, shoulders, arm, and that sequence never changes. You seem to think that it does, but I'm gonna show you that it doesn't. There's a video by Ezra Aderhold called "Power Pocket Explained!!" which gives a nice overhead view of his throw. All that you have do is go to 2:04 of that video, just before his right foot hits the ground, from there, watch the video one frame at a time, and I'll walk you through what's happening. As Ezra takes that last step, he's in weight shift mode. As his right foot hits the ground that weight shift mode begins the transition to rotation mode. But that change from weight shift to rotation isn't instantaneous, it follows the same sequence of foot, knee, hips, shoulders, arm. From here just continue to click through the video one frame at time and you'll notice that his body simply continues to shift to the right, over onto his right foot, but it doesn't rotate at all. The body is still in weight shift mode. Then at some point, as each part in the sequence has moved as far to the right as it possibly can, they're each forced to transition into rotation mode. This happens very quickly, but it's still foot, knee, hips, shoulders, arm. However, this is where your mistake comes in, because although the rest of the body has transitioned to rotation mode, and the elbow has even begun to bend, the hand/disc is still in weight shift mode, they're still moving to the right, and if you continue to watch frame by frame you'll be able to see exactly when that disc changes from weight shift mode to rotation mode, and that's when the arm's job actually begins, but at that point the disc should already be in the power pocket, and the rest of the body is in follow through mode. What you're doing is mistaking the fact that the body is rotating, and the elbow is bending, for thinking that the arm has started the throw, it hasn't, the lower arm/disc are still in weight shift mode. The problem with most amateurs is, that once that right foot hits the ground their brain instantly switches to rotation mode, and all that they can think of is to rotate as fast as they fricking can. Which feels very powerful, but isn't, because they lose the snap. So what you have to do is to teach them that the power actually comes from that weight shift, and the longer that they can keep that weight shifting, instead of rotating, the more they'll force that disc into the power pocket, and the more snap they'll get. So you want them to understand that it's okay to let the lower body rotate, but they should try to keep the shoulders and arm passive for as long as they possibly can. In fact I like to visualize a large spring in the power pocket... aligned with the target line, and my goal is to compress that spring. I prefer that to visualizing pulling the disc into the chest, because even as the arm begins to release, the hand is still thinking... compress that spring, which keeps the hand moving forward for just a little bit longer, and makes that snap just a little more powerful. Anyway, good luck with whatever you decide to do, and I'll go back to doing what I do... throw discs.
You’re not on ignore lol. Only one person is on that list and it’s because he insulted a channel guest. I understand that there is both angular and linear momentum and that proximal parts of the kinetic chain decelerate in order to change linear momentum into angular momentum. Also I think 99% of people that want to get better shouldn’t think about that.
Josh. I gotta know if that turf pad you have actually works well as an indoor teepad! Does it not slide around? Or do you not do full power shots on it?
@@OverthrowDiscGolf I was looking for this question... I am off the age we might call vintage... and the advice I always received was basically the disc should move in a straight line. The out-in- out idea threw me for a loop. I am much more comfortable with this new approach in the video. I am curious if you would share what changed your thinking?
@@ozimmerman Talking with other coaches helped me see the straight line ideas. I do believe there is still a time and place for out-in-out; it’s just a different style (it’s a lot to get into and I think I’m going to cover it in a video soon). In other words, I haven’t abandoned out-in-out as a whole, but think it is a less efficient style in some ways.
@@OverthrowDiscGolf I find there is a lot of credibility to the "moving around the disc" idea where the disc is in the same spot until the front for plants, then all of the energy transfer acts to accelerate the disc in a straight line forward. The physics of it makes total sense. In any case, appreciate your earlier response and your endless supply of great content.
Is it common that people throw into a net different than they do on the course? Cause if I don't, then tech disc is saying I'm either throwing 50' further than the sim thinks possible for the speeds I've measured. Or I just throw like 68+ mph and frankly I just dont think I'm that athletic.
Hello. could you try to throw 500 with this teknik.I checked that video in slowmo and as far as im conserned you are throwing the other teknik. In and Out and release 10 aclock MVH Håkan
@@OverthrowDiscGolf why are you removing the link to Bradley walkers video. It's good to acknowledge earlier voices in the disc golf form community. We're all together on this... There is no competition
As always I'm loving and appreciating all this great insight and instruction, thank you! But where's the bed head? 😂 Team messy hair don't care FTW! lol
@@cabinmusic6717 I disagree with the methodology and mechanics for sure, but I harbor no ill feelings toward him. To the contrary, I am glad there is an opposing view point. We need viewpoints to be challenged for the growth of the sport. I’ve been wrong and I will be wrong again.
@@OverthrowDiscGolf I didn’t mean to imply you have a problem with him personally. It’s just that you’ve clearly been taking him down point by point for a while now. I love both of your videos. There are so many guys on here doing great stuff and trying to find the cues that work right for me has been tough so I watch everyone. But most of you guys collaborate or at least send guys like me back and forth within your content. I’ve never seen what seems like a direct assassination attempt like this before. It’s fascinating for sure.
@@cabinmusic6717 this isn’t directed at Slingshot. I can list a bunch of people that put out content on the contrary of what I’ve listed here. I’m not on an anti SS quest, I’m on an anti spinny quest. He is one of about 5 people who have videos recently in the spinny group. People just aren’t as familiar with the others so they think I’m trying to get him specifically/exclusively.
I think this is mostly bad advice. Josh never gets into any positions that you’ll see pros in. Can anyone point me to a clips of pros in a “deep pocket”? (That’s disc on right peck or beyond) How about any clips of side views where pros chest is facing the camera at the hit like he claims? (Besides the exception to the rule, Gurthie) I’m not sure he even believes this stuff, possibly just taking a new angle to create new content. Either way, I don’t think most pros are doing what Josh is saying they are doing
This is awesome. I have really studied and watched alot of videos, but this one made me 'get' it. I think the biggest take away is you don't actively force your arm to expel the disc. For so long, I was good about getting it into the power pocket, but never developed any distance over 350. I feel confident the next time I'm out there that I will generate way more power and distance.
This channel has been a godsend for me. I just hit my first 350+ drive today while doing field work. I'm not even 8 months into the sport... and I'm not some freak athlete. I played little league till I was 13 and besides skateboarding I haven't played any kind of sports since. Josh is hands down the best coach in the online community. Maybe it's because I'm a big nerd too, but his analytical side speaks to me. Give me the physics, the body mechanics, the proper angles and flight numbers, and I'll make due. I can't just "feel it out" I need to know what I'm looking for, and Josh excels at pointing those things out.
I think keeping you head still is the biggest take away. It will keep you from turning the shoulders forward too much and will create a natural release point. You can then put a lot more energy into the disc since you know its going to be ejected. Just like ball golf. Use the momentum of your body to swing your arms around a central point. Your body should be a post that dosn't move forward your arms swing around it.
As an old dude (56) just getting into the sport, I can see how this technique should greatly help me NOT injure my shoulder again. I've been using WAY too much upper arm to try to increase speed.
Welcome to the greatest sport on Earth. I started late too, and I've dislocated a finger, got tennis elbow, and injured my rotator cuff. Be careful. Stretch: stay loose- stay healthy. Smash chains!
If I focus on keeping the head "quiet" it allows me to keep the chest in check much better. Thanks for this! Always informative, always on point, and a very similar drill style to mine. :)
This video really tied my swing thoughts together man. My swing thought that unintentionally got me to the somewhat correct position, is to drive the back of disc (opposite of thumb) towards target into the power pocket and just let it uncoil from there. Its gives me some snap for the first time. This helps me understand what I’m really trying to accomplish by doing that. Gracias.
I hit 70 mph for the first time yesterday after the 'arming it' video. I am sarcastically convinced this hand sorcery you teach has corrupted my tech disc.
Ok. Watched your video yesterday, played on a course today. I slowed throwing my speed to 1/3 , practicing technique. You-all would think less then a putter speed. Front step leaning forward, pocketing the disc, and keeping my head to the rear, and threw the same distances as my best days, though erratic trajectories. So much learning . I look forward to practicing tomorrow. Thank you for this great lesson Coach. You're the Best! 👍
Excellent video. I've only been playing for about a year. I'm 41 years old and my left arm is paralyzed. I'm pretty darn athletic. I played football at UCF. Anyway, I figured by now I would be able to naturally throw pretty far but I've seen pretty much zero improvement in distance in the last year. Now I can see that I'm opening up too soon and releasing the disc away too soon. You showed me exactly what I'm doing and I'm swinging my arm out once the disc gets to my chest instead of continuing to pull it through and extend my arm and elbow down the line. After I tried what you showed and pretty much kept my elbow going as far down the line as possible I instantly felt my hand and wrist snap out when my elbow got to its max distance on the line. Thank you very much for the help.
Phrasing! We don't want to "whip it out!" 🤣 We do, however, want to extend the arm. The out-in-out phrasing has also been supplemented recently with wide-narrow-wide, but I think extend-curl-extend also fits the bill if we're talking about body mechanics and not just directionality or positioning in a general sense. We don't "uncurl" as much as we "extend."
Does this not seem like the beginner “all arm” technique we are trying to escape? Watching his arm and shoulder do all the work made my shoulders hurt.
@@OverthrowDiscGolf I did and I’ve decided not to bicker on here with you. I’m currently doing Power DGA and this is the second major difference I’ve found. Both, I feel, very obviously will lead to injury. So, for me, I’m out.🤙🏼
@@DiscGolfDemastus Well it wouldn’t be bickering here, but I would agree there will be differences and you should pick one and stick with it. All the best with PDGA
Does this harken back to "start the lawn mower" from the early 2000's? If it is they never explained it like you do. I'm going to give it a try. Seems like much less effort on the low back. I'v had nothing but right lumbar pain x 2 yrs since playing disc golf. I've never have low back pain in my life. I'd hate to give up this most excellent sport. Thanks
Great video as always! One of the thought cues that I have used to start to get this down is to think about reaching out for the target on the the follow through. This gets my body to brace, because I have to stop to reach out, and increases my time on line with the target. Put another way, have my follow through be more like a parabola than around in a circle. Now if I took a video it would probably look pretty rounded, but that's the feeling I get when I throw. The first time I did this I threw 100ft farther for the next 3 holes. Haven't been able to fully replicate that form for over a year. Currently, I'm sitting at 30ft farther than my old form, with way less effort and 50% less spray (unless I revert to my old form and yank, 20 years of bad habits). I'm guessing that the majority of the missing distance is poor nose angle, and some timing issues when I try to put the stank on it.
I think this whip movement is especially visible with Ricky's throw, since he emphasizes it so much. I've been wondering why my standstill is so good compared to my walk-up form, and this might be a big factor. Thanks! (I get more distance with walk-up, but not too much, especially on putters)
I feel like nobody else I’ve watched taught this. I’ve been stuck as a casual disc golfer at 250-300 feet trying so hard with a rotary motion turning my body like my golf swing. (Do you have any idea how hard throwing it straight is like this?) Looking forward to getting outside tomorrow with some hope.
@@OverthrowDiscGolf I practiced into a net and went out for 4 holes this morning. I parked my first shot for a birdie and finished 1 down for 4 - even got to the par 4 I've never reached in two before. So much easier - thanks a bunch!
Watching slo mo form videos it seems like they are more rotated in their shoulders by release and at the very least the motion of the throw STARTS with the back shoulder.
I threw over 300 ft for the first time after practicing these drills and then applying them to my xstep. Thanks for breaking it down better than anyone!
This should all happen after the plant is fully completed right? Should the order be: toe->heel plant-> off arm starts and at the same time throwing arm goes?
Great video, almost wish you had some video looking down and following the line. 62 year old absolute beginner, have played about 5 rounds. Watched a lot of videos but this cleared up some questions. FYI, just the other day I figured out the part where I have been "slinging" at the end and not pulling through. (Haven't played much but I have fields all around me where I can go out for a few minutes each day to practice.) Questions - Many videos say to stand straight up and keep the shoulders level. You appear to bent slightly forward and scoop the shoulders. Also, I am tempted to try and hook my wrist a little near the right pec to create more spin - good or bad? Thanks
This feels like a big switch in philosophy for you, no? I always thought you preached "it's not a straight pull through, it's a swing!!" Whereas this is quite literally a full video about being a straight pull through. Is there a future video coming to mesh these two ideas, or have you changed your mind?
Have you ever taken video of pros from overhead to see what the path of the disc is from back to front up until release? We often discuss the disc - from the perspective of the arm - sort of coming into the chest and then ratcheting out to '10pm'. I'm wondering if - from the perspective of the ground - ideal body/shoulder/hip rotation timing keeps the path on a straight line even though the arm is sort of coming in and then opening out.
Just want people to be mindful at one time I would throw with my arm like this and I tore my teres major due to not doing proper follow throughs. That resulted serval months off.
Great video as always. Just curious what speeds are you guys getting on your stand stills and do we have speed numbers from the pros from stand stills?
there was a little wow moment in there where you explained it is not an out in out motion, but move the disc in a direct line. Thanks Josh you're the boss
@@dwmichaels I'm not absolutely sure it will be back to the pull in a straight line thing, I think it has been that all the time. The only little difference is the pull the arm/elbow behind the line and let the disc travel in a straight line. I'm not totally certain that we were meant to stop the elbow pointing at the target and then trowing the arm out. I just saw it like that. The new thing is, I think, just a tweak
This video has made me realize that I have conceptualized the "hit" incorrectly forever. I had been so focused on the "10 oclock" idea that I could not figure out what was wrong when I let my chest stay parallel to the line, but my arm swing forward off the line to get the back of my hand to that "10 oclock" position. This explanation and the angle down the line especially are perfect for explaining and showing what the "hit" actually means.
I've found that once I truly learned to whip the disc I can really FEEL the weight of the disc. Also, when I slooowed down my footwork drastically, it allowed so much more room for my torso & shoulders to work properly.
This is a great follow-up to the "want a pro form " video. Thank you, guys,for the content. As I mentioned before, I am on a journey to teach myself and build a form. Watching your videos has helped me a lot.
This helps sooo much. Prior trying to whirly bird, I would bounce the disc off my chest, and felt the pocket was condensed. The pros always talk about speed and explosion. This drill helps to keep me open and generate speed. Thank you.
All right, these last two videos have been the most helpful for my game. Thank you so much.
Every time I would try to power up on the disc, I would think of making my hips fire first really fast and every time my arm wouldn’t get through in time, and I would either hit myself with a disc or early release. It makes so much sense now that I need to arm the disc and get it into the power pocket. For my mid effort drives, I don’t have this issue, though I’m still not getting the disc into the power pocket well enough.
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So I've been on the road working and haven't got to do any practice/fieldwork to incorporate this but I did make it to a course today and went in attempting to throw "behind" myself. Just kinda rethinking these last moments of the drive I noticed so much more power going into the disc along with amazing accuracy when I got into the woods. I'm going to keep working on this!
Hands down the best internet coach Josh, I can only imagine in person training with you. Thank you!
Glad it helped!
Might be your best video yet Josh. I kind of wish I would have seen this a long time ago. Thank you.
Thank you Josh. I share these videos with a buddy of mine every time you drop them. We are both just getting to the point where maybe 1-2 out of 10 throws are pushing to 400’ and beyond. Your last video really helped me get more distance quickly and this will definitely be another next step in that process. I got a goal of just hitting 500’ flat ground, even if it’s just once in 2024.
It starts with 1/10. Then… 10/10
Omg! I have watched (and tested) all your videos, Jaanis videos and tons of others. But THIS gave me snap for the first time!
Sweet!
I feel really strongly that this is already THE quintessential DG form/coaching channel. Even so, it's impressive that you continue to improve with every new video. Hands down the best resource anywhere to learn the game. Your ability to shed light on the evolution of disc golf form (and how it's taught) is super informative and an invaluable resource for people who are going through that journey themselves. Also, y'all are crushing it in terms of production value lately.
K, done being a gross fanboy. Just grateful for how much these vids have helped my form. Y'all rock.
We greatly appreciate the comment. Thanks
I watched this yesterday. I had to watch it again because I was sure I imagined it. I used to post on Reddit that the disc should move on a straight line from extension to release. I was told I was wrong. I think you are saying that was a correct statement.
I was just trying to help people stop extending behind their body. Drives me crazy to see people do that. Very common mistake.
I spent time trying to reach away more but found just keeping that 90 degree angle from chest to bicep worked best for me.
I don’t feel like throwing my tech disc into the net right now. I can practice this in virtual reality instead.
Keep helping us learn!
This was a good one Josh. I do believe my body is slowing my arm a lot. Good stuff more me to work on and I appreciate what you do for us.
This is great stuff. The only thing I'm skeptical of is the straightening of the throwing arm at the end. I currently believe that there is at least a small amount of tricep engagement to fire the disk out of the deep pocket. But I agree that it is better just to think of it as a passive thing and not try to force the arm straight at any particular time. Great follow up to your last video. Lots to work on over the winter - keep up the great work.
After your last video I went out and played two of the best rounds of my life this weekend, so thanks for that.
Good stuff
You clearly have been putting effort into yourself also! I'm glad, keep it up bro. And good content as always!
I believe in your process, I just don't have the patience to work it! Lol. Every time I go out - for either a round or field work - I have a plan to focus on a specific form improvement and think something will click "this time". But there's never a click. Or a snap. I just end up hucking discs and getting the same short results. Lord, grant me the wisdom to accept what must be done (completely forget everything and start fresh) and the patience to work these drills one part at a time.
Dr. Bob Rotella, a highly regarded sports psychologist and golf coach had some really good wisdom in "Golf is not a game of Perfect" about training.
He talks about the training mentality, and the trusting mentality.
The training mentality is about breaking down your shots critically and analytically, the trusting mentality is accepting what you've trained as your new swing and feels like reckless abandon.
The way I interpreted these trainings and imported them into my own training is that, I'll work on a drill about 40% of my training, accept that I've done this, then trust that I've worked on it, focus on a target downrange and trust my body to try it. If it's satisfactory, repeat the cycle and try to figure out the kinks in your swing, but the main idea is that if you are just hucking without trust and focus, you'll fail.
Really helps if you have another buddy interested in improving and doing field work/drills together
You guys mentioned making a data video in the future testing out different grips and seeing how the results compare when using them.
In that video can you breakdown and show how you form the grips both on the top and the bottom of the disc and the finger alignments? I feel like I always second-guess finger alignment and positioning, with the pivot point included (like what part of my thumb should be the part supplying pressure into the index finger). Would also love some discussion on what the fingers that aren't the thumb on the index finger should do as far as pressure and pushing the disc into the palm (some pressure, a little pressure, no pressure and just along for the ride, etc) Or a separate in-depth grip video.
Love you guys!
This is a great, simple breakdown of a concept that is very difficult to master. Thank you for making it easy enough for me to understand! I’ve been stuck around 350 ish for over two years now, and I’m pretty athletic and in my mid 20’s. Maybe this will get me consistently over 400!
Its good to know that my progression of throwing tons of standstills into a net with the radar gun was likely helpful (oddly once I started that my distance increased whenever I went to a feild after) aka i think most people should be able to throw about 80% or more max distance, with a stand still, so far as I can tell, thats how important the arm is.
Exactly the drills I need. Been trying to get into the deep power pocket for a while now. I know what to do, but my body just will not execute it out on the course due to my muscle memory. Time to reprogram.
This makes a lot of sense. I’m pulling with my right shoulder which is causing a pocket collapse/rounding and also causing my disc to be above my elbow. I guess I need to focus on pulling with the elbow or simply elbowing something in front of me.
I’m not sure how much distance this will add if done correctly, but I’m chasing 400 ft and my longest recorded drive is 390.
🍿These videos keep getting better and better. Keep up the good work fellas.
Even after only a short practice session this feels so whippy. I can’t wait to see some real throws with it
Looking forward to trying this out!
It's insane how much your videos help me. I went from 50-70ft backhands to 250ish. I feel like once I practice step 2 and 3 more I might hit 300+.
Would love to see a forehand grip and release tech disc video. Do each grip and see the results (spin, speed, wobble) Then do a serving the pizza vs normal release comparison.
I love it when you whip out that fancy terminology
Thanks for this. Some great explanations.
Insanely Invaluable Insight. OT 4 Lyfe.
Thank you... I'll head out and try this today
This has me really thinking about the role of the X-step in a whole new way. Before with building the kintetic chain it seemed really important to get that stretch feeling. But now with lower body effort maybe it's more about getting the hips into the correct orientation smoothly and with low effort.
This is interesting. Your last video shows the arm collapsing to the chest when leaving it as loose and as limp as possible, but in reality, that can't happen if your upper arm is fully protracted forward in the shoulder socket, and the elbow is up on the swing plane. It seems like things you've previously taught (twirly bird/unboxing drill/etc) lend themselves well to the arm lagging the shoulder and swinging a wide-arc, trebuchet style, as taught by sidewinder and ace-it DG. I've had tremendous success myself with this style (got me to 450 playing at 5000 ft of elevation). Was I misunderstanding your old teachings, or did you have a change of opinion?
Lanzar por detras del sobaco, es la clave, muchas gracias! Aqui en España eso nos lo enseño Leon (yoandoo)
Great video! Thanks .
This video took me from inconsistent 270ft drives to consistent 320+ ft drives. Incredible video, just what I needed
One thing that is important to notice here I think is, that you REALLY have to be sure to not rip or raise your Elbow when you are in the deep Pocket (or get into it). So it becomes even more important to control the angel of the disc with the angel of your upper body, otherwise it will result in a lot of shankjobs and can potentially harm your Elbow (Tennis Elbow comes to mind).
I see new overthrow video, I like 👍
Thank you very much
Liked & Sub'd thank you! Can't wait to give this a try!
Question I’ve been struggling with on this. When I don’t move my body or shoulders forward in rotation and I move my arm through across my chest and slap my back of my hand towards the target I always snap my elbow. I’ve been having pain with it. How do I prevent snapping the elbow? When I create the snap my arm eventually straightens and pulls me around. During the straightening it gets the pressure of the force you used for throwing.
Don’t snap your elbow straight and let your body come around earlier. Watch the “lead arm questions answered” video in our backhand playlist
@@OverthrowDiscGolf that is where I started wondering about it because I do brush or slap the back of my hand to the Target but since I’ve been playing ball golf for seven years before picking up disc golf and you had to rotate your entire body for that before impact, I have a terrible time of over rotating, so I am trying to do the complete opposite to train my body by letting my arm pull me around well after the disc is snapped out, but it is now causing the arm to go straight as it’s pulling me around. is there anyway I can throw the disc with just the arm and steel rotate to prevent the snapping rotating early?
If it is of any help, I am keeping my shoulders at 11 o’clock as long as possible until my arm pulls me around I don’t know if the shoulders should rotate some
@@fishblade2 Yes! Let the shoulders rotate. Gradually increase shoulder rotation now until it feels good
Okay that makes sense. I've noticed this morning practicing some that the two things preventing my elbow from snapping is not "helping" the disc and having my shoulders somewhat open. I just always thought that was something that would cause right releases. Thank you for taking the time to help!
Mikey can you film some top down (& from the rear) views? I think it will help some people. Plus it will look cool
You were missed at the Expo ,hope you can make it next year.
It looked like a blast!
It was!@@OverthrowDiscGolf
hey Josh, interested to try this out. You seem to be doing quite the swoop on your pull through though. Is that how it's supposed to be?
Your reach back rises as you reach back, which then leads to disc much higher than elbow at pull through. which makes you swoop back up to prevent from throwing it straight into the ground (although it does look like you're throwing it very low on the throw too). Very pronounced on your 6:02 throw
Just curious if this is intended or what your thoughts are
Not the best, but not the worst when exaggerating like this. I tend to throw with a swoop
Would you say, doing what you explained in this video it would feel like the body somewhat lags behind the arm?
I would. Sometimes I say that it almost feels like the chest drags the hand
@@OverthrowDiscGolf ok, Thank you. That helped me understand better if I was doing it right when adding the body
The whip. The conservative of momentum. Inputting energy to move a large mass and as that mass extends and reaches its maximum allowed travel distance, it must impart its energy to the portion of the "whip" still free to move. Consentrating that energy into a smaller and smaller amount of mass until the velocity must be incredibly high to have the same momentium that a much larger mass had at the start with a much smaller velocity.
Ok, so now after 2+ years of religiously practicing and finally getting your hips-first/disc lag/wide rail/etc form into muscle memory exactly the way you taught it, there's a new form, the old way is out, and was wrong all along for its closed pocket and all the other reasons you mention. Great.
Now the world shifts to "arming", which is exactly what we shouldn't have done with your prior form. And the notion of "knocking down the wall" with one's elbow is now a good thing.
Ok, progress and all.
I'm not being negative, just disappointed the last years were spent learning a way that turns out to be limiting. I have to be honest in saying after years of Ultimate and then jumping into disc golf the arming thing felt more natural and I had to unlearn it to take up your previous form. Now I'll try arming again. I was getting good distance with your old form but never really killing it, and was actually wondering about it..and when I just let loose with what felt natural (turns out it was arming) I threw long. Not accurately, but that would come.
I respect your teaching highly, hence my following it closely. That said, honest question: How is it that the new arming from came into vogue? Like did people discover that some pros who had a non-standard style were killing it? What is it that makes it superior? Is there a pro or three that does it and are winning tournaments, and who are they?
Hope this one doesn't change as soon as I get it down. :-}. But ok, progress and all.
Watch the video after this before switching things up
@@OverthrowDiscGolf Which video are you referring to, please? Also, what should I be paying attention to in that video and/or comparing to The Whip, given my comments? Thanks.
@@justthefacts4965 the video titled “Ok… it’s not ALL arm.”
I have a question when I pull through my hand tends to go above my elbow and also I tend to pull through with my disc on hyzer in my pull through how do I fix this
Check to see if your shoulders are actually too far back
Deep curl... But I'm a few steps behind cuz I over rotate. You're doing A deep curl from the pedestal of Path in, path out.
I preach it, but I can't reproduce it. But it's right. You're right. It's just, nobody listens to me.
I don't either.
I noticed when you were drilling the front leg only throws with the pro player yall were almost hitting max speed just with the plant foot and arm.. it made me pause to think. Now im seeing these last two videos and also seabass did the whip step drill and i realize ive neglcted my front legs power. I think these are my missing pieces. Arm it into the pocket. Jam the plant foot hard and crank the front hip back.
I used the illustration of your body is a flag pole and your arm is the flag switching direction with the wind, does this work? If the pole is leaning over then the radius would be different or tilted. Thoughts?
Not a bad image if it works
So... is the old-skool linear pull a thing again? 🧐🤷🏼♂️
It is a thing
Can’t wait for the your vid breaking down the nae nae.
Step 1: princess wave
Step 2: walk backwards
@@OverthrowDiscGolf Yeah, Imma need to see a video.. ;)
I realize that at this point you've probably got me on ignore, but I'm gonna try to clarify my position anyway. The sequence is foot, knee, hips, shoulders, arm, and that sequence never changes. You seem to think that it does, but I'm gonna show you that it doesn't.
There's a video by Ezra Aderhold called "Power Pocket Explained!!" which gives a nice overhead view of his throw. All that you have do is go to 2:04 of that video, just before his right foot hits the ground, from there, watch the video one frame at a time, and I'll walk you through what's happening. As Ezra takes that last step, he's in weight shift mode. As his right foot hits the ground that weight shift mode begins the transition to rotation mode. But that change from weight shift to rotation isn't instantaneous, it follows the same sequence of foot, knee, hips, shoulders, arm. From here just continue to click through the video one frame at time and you'll notice that his body simply continues to shift to the right, over onto his right foot, but it doesn't rotate at all. The body is still in weight shift mode. Then at some point, as each part in the sequence has moved as far to the right as it possibly can, they're each forced to transition into rotation mode. This happens very quickly, but it's still foot, knee, hips, shoulders, arm. However, this is where your mistake comes in, because although the rest of the body has transitioned to rotation mode, and the elbow has even begun to bend, the hand/disc is still in weight shift mode, they're still moving to the right, and if you continue to watch frame by frame you'll be able to see exactly when that disc changes from weight shift mode to rotation mode, and that's when the arm's job actually begins, but at that point the disc should already be in the power pocket, and the rest of the body is in follow through mode.
What you're doing is mistaking the fact that the body is rotating, and the elbow is bending, for thinking that the arm has started the throw, it hasn't, the lower arm/disc are still in weight shift mode. The problem with most amateurs is, that once that right foot hits the ground their brain instantly switches to rotation mode, and all that they can think of is to rotate as fast as they fricking can. Which feels very powerful, but isn't, because they lose the snap. So what you have to do is to teach them that the power actually comes from that weight shift, and the longer that they can keep that weight shifting, instead of rotating, the more they'll force that disc into the power pocket, and the more snap they'll get.
So you want them to understand that it's okay to let the lower body rotate, but they should try to keep the shoulders and arm passive for as long as they possibly can. In fact I like to visualize a large spring in the power pocket... aligned with the target line, and my goal is to compress that spring. I prefer that to visualizing pulling the disc into the chest, because even as the arm begins to release, the hand is still thinking... compress that spring, which keeps the hand moving forward for just a little bit longer, and makes that snap just a little more powerful.
Anyway, good luck with whatever you decide to do, and I'll go back to doing what I do... throw discs.
You’re not on ignore lol. Only one person is on that list and it’s because he insulted a channel guest.
I understand that there is both angular and linear momentum and that proximal parts of the kinetic chain decelerate in order to change linear momentum into angular momentum.
Also I think 99% of people that want to get better shouldn’t think about that.
Josh. I gotta know if that turf pad you have actually works well as an indoor teepad! Does it not slide around? Or do you not do full power shots on it?
Doesn’t slide around
@@OverthrowDiscGolf nice! Where’d you get it?
@@MiguelEspinosaaa We’ve got a link to it in the description
Ok so we shouldn't thing of out in out to 10 a clock? Should we focus on just out and then just a deep pocket?
Back and then through I would say
@@OverthrowDiscGolf I was looking for this question... I am off the age we might call vintage... and the advice I always received was basically the disc should move in a straight line. The out-in- out idea threw me for a loop. I am much more comfortable with this new approach in the video. I am curious if you would share what changed your thinking?
@@ozimmerman Talking with other coaches helped me see the straight line ideas. I do believe there is still a time and place for out-in-out; it’s just a different style (it’s a lot to get into and I think I’m going to cover it in a video soon). In other words, I haven’t abandoned out-in-out as a whole, but think it is a less efficient style in some ways.
@@OverthrowDiscGolf I find there is a lot of credibility to the "moving around the disc" idea where the disc is in the same spot until the front for plants, then all of the energy transfer acts to accelerate the disc in a straight line forward. The physics of it makes total sense. In any case, appreciate your earlier response and your endless supply of great content.
Would you say it's the swedish style throw? Watched an old loopghost video on something similar @@OverthrowDiscGolf
Is it common that people throw into a net different than they do on the course? Cause if I don't, then tech disc is saying I'm either throwing 50' further than the sim thinks possible for the speeds I've measured. Or I just throw like 68+ mph and frankly I just dont think I'm that athletic.
Super common
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I assume the next video will be called, the nay nay?
Hello. could you try to throw 500 with this teknik.I checked that video in slowmo and as far as im conserned you are throwing the other teknik. In and Out and release 10 aclock
MVH Håkan
The ol' closed shoulder snap drill
Sounds like a seabas22 drill
@@OverthrowDiscGolf it does, however it's actually one of Bradley walkers greatest contributions to disc golf form
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@@OverthrowDiscGolf why are you removing the link to Bradley walkers video. It's good to acknowledge earlier voices in the disc golf form community. We're all together on this... There is no competition
As always I'm loving and appreciating all this great insight and instruction, thank you!
But where's the bed head? 😂 Team messy hair don't care FTW! lol
It’s just dormant until it grows out again. Preparing
I thought you had a clarinet in the thumbnail I was so confused
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@@OverthrowDiscGolf lmao great video tho!!
you are a god. i will buy your shit.
Why does it feel like the last video in this series is going to be “gotcha, it’s actually all in the hips!”
lol. It’s not
Man Josh hates slingshot disc golf.
Untrue
@@OverthrowDiscGolf maybe just vehemently disagrees with his take on, and teaching protocol for, the backhand throw then?
@@cabinmusic6717 I disagree with the methodology and mechanics for sure, but I harbor no ill feelings toward him. To the contrary, I am glad there is an opposing view point. We need viewpoints to be challenged for the growth of the sport. I’ve been wrong and I will be wrong again.
@@OverthrowDiscGolf I didn’t mean to imply you have a problem with him personally. It’s just that you’ve clearly been taking him down point by point for a while now. I love both of your videos. There are so many guys on here doing great stuff and trying to find the cues that work right for me has been tough so I watch everyone. But most of you guys collaborate or at least send guys like me back and forth within your content. I’ve never seen what seems like a direct assassination attempt like this before. It’s fascinating for sure.
@@cabinmusic6717 this isn’t directed at Slingshot. I can list a bunch of people that put out content on the contrary of what I’ve listed here. I’m not on an anti SS quest, I’m on an anti spinny quest. He is one of about 5 people who have videos recently in the spinny group. People just aren’t as familiar with the others so they think I’m trying to get him specifically/exclusively.
Slow walk up, accelerating to a violent pull through
I think this is mostly bad advice. Josh never gets into any positions that you’ll see pros in. Can anyone point me to a clips of pros in a “deep pocket”? (That’s disc on right peck or beyond) How about any clips of side views where pros chest is facing the camera at the hit like he claims? (Besides the exception to the rule, Gurthie) I’m not sure he even believes this stuff, possibly just taking a new angle to create new content. Either way, I don’t think most pros are doing what Josh is saying they are doing
Watch previous video
foot fault
I dont like aiming my back to the basket and not seeing
That’s fine
i cant wait for the video where they say reach back in a straight line and pull it across your chest like you are starting a lawnmower..
This is awesome. I have really studied and watched alot of videos, but this one made me 'get' it. I think the biggest take away is you don't actively force your arm to expel the disc. For so long, I was good about getting it into the power pocket, but never developed any distance over 350. I feel confident the next time I'm out there that I will generate way more power and distance.
So it's: start the lawn mower, pull in a straight line, bust down the door with your elbow. Got it ;P
This channel has been a godsend for me. I just hit my first 350+ drive today while doing field work. I'm not even 8 months into the sport... and I'm not some freak athlete. I played little league till I was 13 and besides skateboarding I haven't played any kind of sports since.
Josh is hands down the best coach in the online community. Maybe it's because I'm a big nerd too, but his analytical side speaks to me. Give me the physics, the body mechanics, the proper angles and flight numbers, and I'll make due. I can't just "feel it out" I need to know what I'm looking for, and Josh excels at pointing those things out.
I think keeping you head still is the biggest take away. It will keep you from turning the shoulders forward too much and will create a natural release point. You can then put a lot more energy into the disc since you know its going to be ejected. Just like ball golf. Use the momentum of your body to swing your arms around a central point. Your body should be a post that dosn't move forward your arms swing around it.
As an old dude (56) just getting into the sport, I can see how this technique should greatly help me NOT injure my shoulder again. I've been using WAY too much upper arm to try to increase speed.
Welcome to the greatest sport on Earth. I started late too, and I've dislocated a finger, got tennis elbow, and injured my rotator cuff. Be careful. Stretch: stay loose- stay healthy. Smash chains!
If I focus on keeping the head "quiet" it allows me to keep the chest in check much better. Thanks for this! Always informative, always on point, and a very similar drill style to mine. :)
Overthrow out here just making shit up 😂
This video really tied my swing thoughts together man. My swing thought that unintentionally got me to the somewhat correct position, is to drive the back of disc (opposite of thumb) towards target into the power pocket and just let it uncoil from there. Its gives me some snap for the first time. This helps me understand what I’m really trying to accomplish by doing that. Gracias.
I hit 70 mph for the first time yesterday after the 'arming it' video. I am sarcastically convinced this hand sorcery you teach has corrupted my tech disc.
Bahaha. There is a chance it’s broken
My bro you are a skilled content creator. I appreciate your dedication to excellence.
We appreciate it!
Ok. Watched your video yesterday, played on a course today.
I slowed throwing my speed to 1/3 , practicing technique. You-all would think less then a putter speed.
Front step leaning forward, pocketing the disc, and keeping my head to the rear, and threw the same distances as my best days, though erratic trajectories.
So much learning . I look forward to practicing tomorrow.
Thank you for this great lesson Coach.
You're the Best! 👍
Nice!
Excellent video. I've only been playing for about a year. I'm 41 years old and my left arm is paralyzed. I'm pretty darn athletic. I played football at UCF. Anyway, I figured by now I would be able to naturally throw pretty far but I've seen pretty much zero improvement in distance in the last year. Now I can see that I'm opening up too soon and releasing the disc away too soon. You showed me exactly what I'm doing and I'm swinging my arm out once the disc gets to my chest instead of continuing to pull it through and extend my arm and elbow down the line. After I tried what you showed and pretty much kept my elbow going as far down the line as possible I instantly felt my hand and wrist snap out when my elbow got to its max distance on the line. Thank you very much for the help.
Absolutely. Glad it helped
Phrasing! We don't want to "whip it out!" 🤣 We do, however, want to extend the arm. The out-in-out phrasing has also been supplemented recently with wide-narrow-wide, but I think extend-curl-extend also fits the bill if we're talking about body mechanics and not just directionality or positioning in a general sense. We don't "uncurl" as much as we "extend."
What about Ezra’s 90 degree all the time?
90° is a minimal viable angle and he’s at about 110° nowadays himself
Does this not seem like the beginner “all arm” technique we are trying to escape? Watching his arm and shoulder do all the work made my shoulders hurt.
See previous video
@@OverthrowDiscGolf I went and watched some of the top throwers on tour. None of them are doing this.🤷🏻♂️ Not trying to throw shade.
@@DiscGolfDemastus did you watch the previous video?
@@OverthrowDiscGolf I did and I’ve decided not to bicker on here with you. I’m currently doing Power DGA and this is the second major difference I’ve found. Both, I feel, very obviously will lead to injury. So, for me, I’m out.🤙🏼
@@DiscGolfDemastus Well it wouldn’t be bickering here, but I would agree there will be differences and you should pick one and stick with it. All the best with PDGA
Does this harken back to "start the lawn mower" from the early 2000's?
If it is they never explained it like you do.
I'm going to give it a try. Seems like much less effort on the low back. I'v had nothing but right lumbar pain x 2 yrs since playing disc golf. I've never have low back pain in my life.
I'd hate to give up this most excellent sport.
Thanks
Great video as always! One of the thought cues that I have used to start to get this down is to think about reaching out for the target on the the follow through. This gets my body to brace, because I have to stop to reach out, and increases my time on line with the target. Put another way, have my follow through be more like a parabola than around in a circle. Now if I took a video it would probably look pretty rounded, but that's the feeling I get when I throw. The first time I did this I threw 100ft farther for the next 3 holes. Haven't been able to fully replicate that form for over a year. Currently, I'm sitting at 30ft farther than my old form, with way less effort and 50% less spray (unless I revert to my old form and yank, 20 years of bad habits). I'm guessing that the majority of the missing distance is poor nose angle, and some timing issues when I try to put the stank on it.
I think this whip movement is especially visible with Ricky's throw, since he emphasizes it so much. I've been wondering why my standstill is so good compared to my walk-up form, and this might be a big factor. Thanks! (I get more distance with walk-up, but not too much, especially on putters)
I feel like nobody else I’ve watched taught this. I’ve been stuck as a casual disc golfer at 250-300 feet trying so hard with a rotary motion turning my body like my golf swing. (Do you have any idea how hard throwing it straight is like this?) Looking forward to getting outside tomorrow with some hope.
This is how I throw straight
@@OverthrowDiscGolf I practiced into a net and went out for 4 holes this morning. I parked my first shot for a birdie and finished 1 down for 4 - even got to the par 4 I've never reached in two before. So much easier - thanks a bunch!
@@GutterSnipe11 congratulations!
Watching slo mo form videos it seems like they are more rotated in their shoulders by release and at the very least the motion of the throw STARTS with the back shoulder.
I threw over 300 ft for the first time after practicing these drills and then applying them to my xstep. Thanks for breaking it down better than anyone!
If you did the final full speed outdoors, what would be a good distance to know you’ve done the drill correctly?
Great length video and easy to digest. Thanks.
This should all happen after the plant is fully completed right? Should the order be: toe->heel plant-> off arm starts and at the same time throwing arm goes?
Correct. That’s what we’re simulating with the one leg drill here
Great video, almost wish you had some video looking down and following the line.
62 year old absolute beginner, have played about 5 rounds. Watched a lot of videos but this cleared up some questions. FYI, just the other day I figured out the part where I have been "slinging" at the end and not pulling through. (Haven't played much but I have fields all around me where I can go out for a few minutes each day to practice.)
Questions - Many videos say to stand straight up and keep the shoulders level. You appear to bent slightly forward and scoop the shoulders. Also, I am tempted to try and hook my wrist a little near the right pec to create more spin - good or bad? Thanks
Your hand should be toward the back of the disc imo. And I think ideally you would learn to throw various angles from a tilted position
This feels like a big switch in philosophy for you, no? I always thought you preached "it's not a straight pull through, it's a swing!!" Whereas this is quite literally a full video about being a straight pull through.
Is there a future video coming to mesh these two ideas, or have you changed your mind?
There is going to be a future video. Kinda has to be at this point lol. Lot’s of similar comments
Have you ever taken video of pros from overhead to see what the path of the disc is from back to front up until release? We often discuss the disc - from the perspective of the arm - sort of coming into the chest and then ratcheting out to '10pm'. I'm wondering if - from the perspective of the ground - ideal body/shoulder/hip rotation timing keeps the path on a straight line even though the arm is sort of coming in and then opening out.
We’ve got Drew and Simon via drone overhead
Just want people to be mindful at one time I would throw with my arm like this and I tore my teres major due to not doing proper follow throughs. That resulted serval months off.
Follow through people
can you do this set of drills with the brace leg at the correct angle? yours is straight up and down.
That’s because I’m on one leg. It has to be straight up and down
I find myself turfing the disc alot when doing this, should I be reaching back lower to avoid this or leaning more backwards?
That happens sometimes. Means the shoulders actually need to go forward a little bit more
@@OverthrowDiscGolf like I need to let my shoulders move more? I am trying quite hard to resist it because I am a serial Over rotater
@@timeandspacevintage3380 correct. I think you went too far and your elbow ran out of room to move
@OverthrowDiscGolf interesting I'll mess around with it, they feel fast and snappy but rarely go anywhere because they always go down.
Great video as always. Just curious what speeds are you guys getting on your stand stills and do we have speed numbers from the pros from stand stills?
I can get 60+ on my one leg. I know a guy that gets 70+ on his standstill. Corey Elis is obviously up there
@OverthrowDiscGolf wow, that's great! Thank you!! #goals 😀
there was a little wow moment in there where you explained it is not an out in out motion, but move the disc in a direct line. Thanks Josh you're the boss
so does that mean we're back to "pull the disc in a straight line"?
@@dwmichaels I'm not absolutely sure it will be back to the pull in a straight line thing, I think it has been that all the time. The only little difference is the pull the arm/elbow behind the line and let the disc travel in a straight line. I'm not totally certain that we were meant to stop the elbow pointing at the target and then trowing the arm out. I just saw it like that. The new thing is, I think, just a tweak