Bitter sweet end for chasing the Dragon for years. Found this from your reddit off-arm movement post and been implementing for months. Feels better, accuracy is better and looks better. Distance is still to come but its still off season. Thanks for the good job for both of you!
I know I'm late to the party, but I just wanted to say... This is hands down, the best video you guys have produced IMHO. The information, the delivery, the humor, the editing,music all top notch! Proud of you boys, been watching your growth since pretty much the beginning.
This is, by far, my favorite episode to date. Every minute was GOLD. They eye blinks for dramatic effect were a nice touch. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
I think you've mostly been teaching this idea subtly for quite a while. You've been all about footwork, x-step, coil, brace, quiet off-shoulder, getting the throwing hand moving past the body fast, etc. But good for you to come right out and say that the arm-pull is also part of the throw. It feels great to hear that - great relief that I can stop trying to rotate the hips with a noodle arm!
This is revolutionary. I cannot describe how many hours ive put trying to understand thow this works, and now, finally, you let me grip it. Cant wait to train this on the field. A lot of thanks Josh.
Thank you!!! It never made sense to me that the arm had to be a noodle and I gave it up a year ago. Worked through your form building series (better form never ends) and have consistently better distance AND accuracy by focusing on arm position and speed at release. Kudos on being fact driven!
I watched this vedeo before my prcatice session. 30 feet farther then yesturday! Same wind and weather. I stayed Focused on throwing like a pro. Thanks Chris!
itss not just the content thats top notch its the way he puts his vidoes together. funny, and entertaining yet professional and and easy well explained.
This is one most helpful DG videos I've seen. I been trying to slow things down and keep my arm looser and have been finding these same issues. This makes so much sense thank you!
I remembered you teaching this to Evan Smith in his lesson video. You showed him a drill to release the disc into the net while looking down and not rotating, just using the arm. I love that drill and it has helped me throw better.
A collapsed pocket by lagging the arm also puts a ton of strain on the shoulder joint. Speaking from experience, leading with the elbow leads to much less shoulder soreness.
I started playing a year ago. After watching a bunch of videos and working on my form a lot, I *lost* 50 feet on my backhand!! And lately I've been trying to twist the hips first, but it just doesn't work. This video makes so much sense!! I also appreciate any time you can explain what it feels like to the person throwing the disc. So helpful! Thank you!
Great video. This idea has been on my mind for a few weeks. It started when I allowed my body to truly get set in the right position,when my arm was back, and my base was solid. That gives my arm the chance to get ahead of my momentum. I think that's why Drew Gibson can walk at snails pace and still bomb. Keep it up dudes! I'm anxiously waiting for the ah ha putt video.
I feel like the single most important part of this is making sure you get planted before moving the arm. When I was "Arming" the disc I wasn't planting so I would end up shanking everything.
I really appreciate that. You are working to throw out everything you thought you knew before. I am in that boat where I’m capped out at 300 to 330 on my average long drive. I recently saw a video on trebuchet disc golf where he did it really focus on this, but there was this one part where it clicked in my head that I need to try to keep my shoulders closed as long as possible and try to throw the disc out. Throwing into a net in my garage, my form is actually starting to look more “pro like”. I’m glad it seems like I’m on the right path after seeing your recent talk on this.
Great video. Love that you're breaking misunderstandings regarding discgolf form. Here's how I'd articulate how backhand form works: you don't want to rotate your hips through. The hips don't directly power your throw. If you do that and what Josh has shown very well is that you will collapse your shoulder. What does that mean? To make this more clear think about how your arm gets accelerated. The whole point of your walk up and stride is to, when you "extend" you're building momentum against your back muscles (mainly traps and lats). You're trying to get a rapid stretch in your back muscles (not necessarily a very deep stretch) because your body will react with a reflex flexing those muscles extremely quickly. This is where the power eventually comes from. So what happens when your shoulder collapses? It will mainly create a stretch in your rear deltoid muscle, which you know if you ever trained it in isolation, is not very strong by itself. So you're not throwing with your arm really (because your biceps and triceps don't extend the shoulders) and you're not throwing with your hips (because first and foremost you don't want to twist your hips rapidly to put torque on the spine and your shoulder will collapse). You're throwing with the big muscles which can produce a lot of force and speed by using your body reflexes when muscles experience a rapid stretch. Therefore it's probably a good idea to hold a doorframe and feel the positions where your lats get stretched and then try to get a similar sensation (not a long deep stretch but a short stretching sensation) when throwing. You'll get exactly that when you try to keep everything back as Josh said. The hips move into the plan, loading the back and letting it explode, which will extend the shoulder rapidly and a loose arm will get into the pocket and shoot through without collapsing. Again, very well put in this video. I just wanted to give my understanding stemming from a background of weightlifting, running (here you're essentially using the tendons and muscles in your calves to propel you forward) and a whole lot of trying to figure out how to throw. Have a good one ✌
I mistakenly did a good form throw once and I was shocked to see what the disc did as it stayed in the air much longer than usual for me and went hella far. The "feeling" I had was as if my chest was turned more away from the direction I wanted to throw and I pulled the disc towards my throwing arm's armpit. This is an excellent video!
I've been waiting for this for a while now!! This is exactly what I'm trying to achieve nowadays and I'm finally getting some consistency in my form and distance... Still a long way to go though, hard to rewire my brain after 5 years of focusing on the wrong things...
I've been infected by ball golf and baseball swings to create lag and all of that made sense to me trying to "kinetic chain", but those movements have an additional gigantic lever to create "crack of the whip" - but it's just not the same motion and am guilty of everything you pointed out as a newbie. Looking forward to more!
@@brianwall240 Huh? Woods, Nicklaus, Snead, all the modern swings on tour (Scott, Morikawa, etc.) all have their hips completely open, belt buckle to target, as their shoulders whip club to ball. That seems to be the complete antithesis to this video, no?
@@nomad182yeah hips have to clear to make way for the hands. The golf club creates the whip as it’s pulled through. Backhands have been hard for me as a ball golfer because I’m doing a swing motion opposite of my ball golf swing motion.ie I finish on my left side in ball golf and right side in disc golf. Feels unnatural.
Best video yet. I've struggled to grasp how (or what it even means that) pros accelerate the disc immediately after planting. I've been throwing (accelerating) from my left pec forever, knowing that it's wrong. Tried everything to fix it. Watched this, tried to implement it, and throwing feels completely different (in a good way). Super inaccurate atm, but that will come later. Thank you for this video.
Thank god I can quit trying to coil my body before I throw. I literally hurt my lower spine last week by trying to twist too much. This is a great video for the simple explanation on great form for throwing greater distances. Thank you Coach!
Josh. My mind is now blown. I've been keeping my off arm out of the way thinking this was the right way to do things by tucking it down. Now, seeing Wiggins off arm way back out of the way has me rethinking things again. As always, thanks for all you do @overthrowdiscgolf.
Super helpful to demonstrate the high power shank right as it's plagues my game. This video is well timed as I'm starting to throw better and can use the most up to date guidance!
I was flipping through reels, found a clip. Dug deeper found this video and literally had a television brain exploding moment where everything clicked. I throw generally pretty far at least for the courses here 360-380 range and I went out today and did field work, worked on moving my hand as fast as I could and keeping my legs in place and I have never thrown further. Thank you so much.
Great video! Sometimes ya gotta watch a video a hundred times before it sinks in~ Also, big props to all the graphics and music, it really fuels the professionalism!
Every time I hear the scream I laugh and by the time I hear it again, I haven't recovered from the first laugh. Absolutely love your sense of humor. Busting a gut here😂
Makes you wonder how many great disc golfers got ruined by coaches teaching trailing arm mechanics, and whether the pros are just the ones who instinctually didnt listen. 😅. Great video. Ive been getting a decent amount of of whoosh/snap from the towel drill with my current form but after watching this I got an actual crack for the first time.
I feel like every time I think through a form concept, you come out with a video about it right after. I thought of this when watching one of the Foundation videos recently where they threw standing completely backwards and were surprised like they've never thrown so well before.
Watched this yesterday, then went to the field today and focused exclusively on this stuff. I was throwing 40 or 50 feet further. Low, flat lasers with my Leo3s and Eagles, and was consistently hitting what Udisc said was 350 (+-14ft). I obviously pulled and flipped more shots, but severely cut down on nose-up stall-out throws. Thank you so much for the great video! I can't wait to get out and throw more "bombs".
It's wintertime in Finland, 3 feet of snow everywhere, cold as balls and there's absolutely no business going to the courses. Perfect time to relearn my form come spring after a long break, thank you for the good video
If you look at a lot of top pros like McBeth, Gibson, Lizotte they continue to turn their shoulders to the target while releasing. Wiggins is not the exemplary disc golfer. The power is definitely generated from the ground up if you watch all the above in slow motion. I think Josh is definitely correct about stopping everything helping generate power but before the stop their is an initial turn from the ground up using power generated from the momentum, and turn of the back foot/hip into the brace then lead hip pulling back all slightly before the core/shoulders/arm comes through.
So many people needed to hear this. Including myself. I started noticing so many pros keeping that left leg behind them, similar to the way bowlers do. It seems to keep the body from beating the arm to the hit. I've gained about 40 ft. in the past two weeks, just from trying to stay behind the hit. Great video
My buddy and I filmed ourselves trying to focus on getting our arms out in front. Hole one at the local course is in a deep 380’ spot, I’m always coming up short and heisering out in the rough or over turning a flex line. I feel like I hit a wall around 350’ and can’t power the disc farther. First throw was a flat release that made it pin high with probably 70% of the usual effort I put in. Less effort, more distance, instantly. Thank you for breaking it down so simply. I think a lot of people focus on the reach back and the coil which leads to an arm that gets stuck behind the body and has to round.
Nailed it on this one. This exactly why I’ve been stuck at 350. My body will make that adjustment and keep the disc straight sometimes but this is gold
This video reinforces my body's natural signals perfectly. I was a football player and as such focused a lot on explosiveness and progression in the weight room. Therefor I've learned to recognize the result of good form based on where soreness presents itself. Over the last 10 years of playing disc golf I've realized that when I play a long course and my form is good 370' is easy (I'm only 5'7" so that seems pretty decent to me) and I'm sore in my peck and triceps (a result of firing both lower and upper body in sync). On the same coarse when I struggle for distance, usually my shoulder and elbow are sore (tendon soreness not muscle) which tells me my arm isn't pulling to match my lower body. When both upper and lower body are firing together, it is much lower impact on my body and makes distance feel much less effortless.
Your body's reaction to good form may be a good video for your channel. I feel like many people can't relate to how athletic movements should effect you. Being sore isn't necessarily bad.
Perfect. This helps a lot. I have been trying to get this down by throwing into a net for the last month and not liking the results but I just took a few discs out into my yard/field and, while I didn't throw as far as I have in the past with bad form, the distance achieved was good but, more importantly, 'effortless' -- it was just so easy. Discs that were uselessly understable for me in the past now fly just like they are supposed to. My last shot had some 'snap' on it which I haven't had in a long time. Thanks so much!
Love it! Been working on this the last month since my last form review calling this issue out. It’s definitely hard to fix but just needs reps on reps to hammer it down!
Completely agree with this video. It took me a long time of learning form to realize that I need to arm it more. I has a huge problem with realy rotation in my form from the start. To fix it, I just had to think about looking perpendicular to where I was throwing, pull the disc through the pocket, and then let my arms turn my body and chest on the follow through. I have been playing disc golf now for about 8 months and can consistently throw around 350ft.
Wow, Awesome video. Very informative and instructive. I remember now!! All other videos about hips and footwork are great but this one really clicks 👍👍
I would argue that David stops his rotation in his hips and his upper body. The hips are clearly rotating first, followed by his upper body and then the arm comes through as a result of stopping the rotation, and more forceful because the rotating enegy goes into the arm. You probably have to be very strong to be able to do this stopping movement of the rotation. This is my take on it anyways.
I needed this. My lower body was trash and needed to be completely reworked but I somehow thought this would magically translate into 100's of extra feet, that throwing my hips and planting harder would somehow make my arm faster. I recently was watching an Eagle and Simon clinic and they were saying elbow should lead or be the part you focus on pulling through and so I was starting to work on that but this video helped give more context to how to do that while still generating power from the legs. I like the thought of getting my body planted nice and wide and getting a weight shift still but resisting rotating forward too early, keeping my chest facing the side, something to work on.
Brilliant! I’ve noticed the same problem in my form - collapsing the pocket due to exaggerated upper body rotation. My backhand is so slow and powerless that I’ve had to resort to a very wide railway track to compensate for a ”necessary” griplock in order to get a longer acceleration. Thank you for suggesting a reasonable way forward. Best regards, Henric in Sweden
As a forehand dominant player, I've been extremely frustrated being able to throw 100+ feet further forehand than backhand. I've always felt like there's a ton of power left on the table on my backhand and applying the logic that works on my forehand does nothing for me. This video, especially the bit about how disc golf is different because we're throwing with our lead arm, helped me FINALLY start to understand what the hell I'm doing wrong with my backhand.
This! I can easily throw 100-130 feet further forehand, and while I'm not as athletic as I was 10-15 years ago, I have always felt athletically there has to be more backhand distance for me. Focusing on getting a good solid plant did add some, but this all makes sense. Time to start working on it. Coming from baseball (and batting lefty) I've always been annoyed that the rhbh didn't "click" like I thought it should. This makes a lot of sense and I'm hoping it's a series of clicks now. Good stuff 👍🏼
Holy S***! This was so eye opening for me. I've been trying to break this code for the longest time. For the life of me I just could not figure out why my timing was so off! I kept rounding no matter what. I've been working so hard on getting the timing with the lower body right that I totally forgot about the arm! I have several bruises on my left rib cage from hitting the edge of the disc on my torso because my chest was moving before my arm!
Love the video, and I think this is one of the best explanations I have seen yet. The past couple of months, I have had a sole focus of getting into the position David is in, not really caring how I get there because I know my body will optimize that over time. I'm kind of reverse engineering my throw. It's basically impossible to get yourself into that position and then throw a dud.
Dude, this video is JUST what I needed. As a former discus thrower i have STRUGGLED with fighting the urge to let rotation of my body guide my hand/arm, when from what i have gathered in this video, it's the opposite.
@OverthrowDiscGolf yeah yesterday when I went to a disc golf group meet up the guys I went through with asked me why I didn't do more forehand and I simply said "because it feels like I'm not supposed to when I see everyone doing backhand" 😂
Damn, it makes sense! Don't know how many times I collapsed my pocket trying to rotate as fast as possible and letting the arm stay behind. Always end up hitting to off arm shoulder. An eye opener for sure! Disc golf is crazy...
People coming from golf with an understanding of form have such an advantage coming into DG. Knowing how to transfer energy from lower to upper body will make progress so much fast than someone coming from nothing. Also understanding and being able to feel timing line up.
People get so caught up on hips or upper body and what the player is "trying" to do. You are literally just transferring energy from your lower body to upper body through the arm and out the hand. This is why form can look so different and produce similar results. We are all shaped, strengthened and restricted in different ways. Disc golf form will go through more changes as we are able to pull more analytics now. Ultimately performance and longevity will both increase.
Nice to see you've come around. I commented that exact thing on a video of yours a year or so ago. Power doesn't "travel" through the body. Our musculoskeletal structure is by necessity a shock-absorber first and a lever-system for our muscles second, or we'd die from the impact of jumping down from a chair.
Nice. Love this take. I was disagreeing a bit with some of your stuff some time ago (I might just have been wrong) but I really like this. There has bee nsome interesting development in your teachings here, and it's exciting to follow. I've had tremendous success the last year by thinking that everything EXCEPT my right arm is to curl in towards an imaginary pole at my center of weight right at/after the plant - and that focus helped with understanding brace, hip rotation, rotation timing, angles, lots of things. I feel like the weight shift/momentum gives kinetic power potential, and the contraction (as I like to think of it) done properly, mind you, is what makes it easier to let that arm rip. This video showed me some more to practice and I already think my arm is too far behind. Also loved the scripting/editing of this video. Especially the long silence on the wiggins thing xD
Went to an Albert Tamm clinic and asked him what he thought about when throwing and he said he thinks about moving his arm as fast as possible from the reach back.
Wow...I was in belief that you start uncoiling from down to the up and it made sense due to so called spring action but your explanation why it wouldn't work also makes sense. Especially the power pocket collapsing part. So it's all about the arm speed... definitely gonna try out the new technique
This totally throws off everything I’ve been trying to learn since I started 2 years ago. Hard enough getting into disc golf in my 40s but now I’m finding out I’ve been doing everything wrong?! Very frustrating if true since I’ve watched a lot of videos and practiced countless hours.
Nice vid. I low key started doing this yesterday practicing. My off arm driving my shoulders forward helped but distance and speed went way down. Brought back in my lead arm form from pulling in ultimate. More arm and more whip instantly equated to way more spin and distance on my putters and mids. Easily hitting 200-250 with putters and 250 +275 with my mid ranges. Now the release angle lol.......
The best form for you never stops growing. I've, over the past few months, been throwing with my thumb off the flight plate holding it steady with the crease of my palm and using a four finger tip hold. It's snapless and it might be my imagination but it's far more accurate and is easier on the body to throw anhyzer.
Loving the Ted talk-music at the end 😂 Another banger of a video from the overthrow channel! I just hope people dont take the title out of context and ignore your videos on the power pocket and how to get there. My interpretation of "arm the disc" is the back-leg-plant-and-rotate-boys (Which I used to belong to) who avoid the power pocket like it's poison 😅
Great video! I know I’ve been taught to let my arm lag behind in order to get that whip effect, but found the pulling through always seemed to give more control and hitting my max distance more consistently. Also would see less early releases or grip locks.
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Guys, it takes a long time to change form. Work on this everyday, you won’t become David but you will begin to slowly assimilate it into your game.
Bitter sweet end for chasing the Dragon for years.
Found this from your reddit off-arm movement post and been implementing for months. Feels better, accuracy is better and looks better. Distance is still to come but its still off season.
Thanks for the good job for both of you!
Yeah brother, we needed you a few years ago during the pandemic haha. We'd all be throwing 400' by now
"welcome to the most powerful shank right you've ever thrown in your life" I feel seen. Thanks for the great coaching! @8:15
Finally I'm represented
I know I'm late to the party, but I just wanted to say... This is hands down, the best video you guys have produced IMHO. The information, the delivery, the humor, the editing,music all top notch! Proud of you boys, been watching your growth since pretty much the beginning.
But did it actually help you throw further??
This is, by far, my favorite episode to date. Every minute was GOLD. They eye blinks for dramatic effect were a nice touch. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
I think you've mostly been teaching this idea subtly for quite a while. You've been all about footwork, x-step, coil, brace, quiet off-shoulder, getting the throwing hand moving past the body fast, etc. But good for you to come right out and say that the arm-pull is also part of the throw. It feels great to hear that - great relief that I can stop trying to rotate the hips with a noodle arm!
Almost pisses you off if this was known the whole time😅
This is revolutionary. I cannot describe how many hours ive put trying to understand thow this works, and now, finally, you let me grip it. Cant wait to train this on the field. A lot of thanks Josh.
Thank you!!! It never made sense to me that the arm had to be a noodle and I gave it up a year ago. Worked through your form building series (better form never ends) and have consistently better distance AND accuracy by focusing on arm position and speed at release. Kudos on being fact driven!
It just has to relaxed at the fully extended "reachback". Stiff muscle is slow. Nearly all terms used to describe discgolf form are horribly wrong.
Finally a DG instructional video I was able to watch from start to finish. Good job Josh.
I watched this vedeo before my prcatice session. 30 feet farther then yesturday! Same wind and weather. I stayed Focused on throwing like a pro. Thanks Chris!
THAT BLINKING PAUSE WAS EPIC!!! LOL!!!
itss not just the content thats top notch its the way he puts his vidoes together. funny, and entertaining yet professional and and easy well explained.
This is one most helpful DG videos I've seen. I been trying to slow things down and keep my arm looser and have been finding these same issues. This makes so much sense thank you!
Glad it helped!
I remembered you teaching this to Evan Smith in his lesson video. You showed him a drill to release the disc into the net while looking down and not rotating, just using the arm. I love that drill and it has helped me throw better.
A collapsed pocket by lagging the arm also puts a ton of strain on the shoulder joint. Speaking from experience, leading with the elbow leads to much less shoulder soreness.
That must be my problem. I'm throwing a bit faster and farther but my shoulder is feeling it.
I started playing a year ago. After watching a bunch of videos and working on my form a lot, I *lost* 50 feet on my backhand!! And lately I've been trying to twist the hips first, but it just doesn't work. This video makes so much sense!! I also appreciate any time you can explain what it feels like to the person throwing the disc. So helpful! Thank you!
Guys the chapter sections and relevant labels actually help me so much to parse all the info you pack into these videos, thank you for that.
Good to know they’re being used
Great video. This idea has been on my mind for a few weeks. It started when I allowed my body to truly get set in the right position,when my arm was back, and my base was solid. That gives my arm the chance to get ahead of my momentum. I think that's why Drew Gibson can walk at snails pace and still bomb. Keep it up dudes! I'm anxiously waiting for the ah ha putt video.
I feel like the single most important part of this is making sure you get planted before moving the arm. When I was "Arming" the disc I wasn't planting so I would end up shanking everything.
Yep. That’s tough
This timing is hilarious because I just noticed and started working on this with my form. Thx guys!
I really appreciate that. You are working to throw out everything you thought you knew before. I am in that boat where I’m capped out at 300 to 330 on my average long drive.
I recently saw a video on trebuchet disc golf where he did it really focus on this, but there was this one part where it clicked in my head that I need to try to keep my shoulders closed as long as possible and try to throw the disc out. Throwing into a net in my garage, my form is actually starting to look more “pro like”. I’m glad it seems like I’m on the right path after seeing your recent talk on this.
Maybe most helpful dg form vid ever made?! Love the floor nap 😂
🤯I've been around for awhile and yet you still somehow continue to expose my assumptions and shake me to my core. Cheers brother.
This was a great one. I can finally go back to throwing with my arm!
Great video. Love that you're breaking misunderstandings regarding discgolf form.
Here's how I'd articulate how backhand form works: you don't want to rotate your hips through. The hips don't directly power your throw. If you do that and what Josh has shown very well is that you will collapse your shoulder. What does that mean?
To make this more clear think about how your arm gets accelerated. The whole point of your walk up and stride is to, when you "extend" you're building momentum against your back muscles (mainly traps and lats). You're trying to get a rapid stretch in your back muscles (not necessarily a very deep stretch) because your body will react with a reflex flexing those muscles extremely quickly. This is where the power eventually comes from.
So what happens when your shoulder collapses? It will mainly create a stretch in your rear deltoid muscle, which you know if you ever trained it in isolation, is not very strong by itself.
So you're not throwing with your arm really (because your biceps and triceps don't extend the shoulders) and you're not throwing with your hips (because first and foremost you don't want to twist your hips rapidly to put torque on the spine and your shoulder will collapse).
You're throwing with the big muscles which can produce a lot of force and speed by using your body reflexes when muscles experience a rapid stretch. Therefore it's probably a good idea to hold a doorframe and feel the positions where your lats get stretched and then try to get a similar sensation (not a long deep stretch but a short stretching sensation) when throwing. You'll get exactly that when you try to keep everything back as Josh said. The hips move into the plan, loading the back and letting it explode, which will extend the shoulder rapidly and a loose arm will get into the pocket and shoot through without collapsing.
Again, very well put in this video. I just wanted to give my understanding stemming from a background of weightlifting, running (here you're essentially using the tendons and muscles in your calves to propel you forward) and a whole lot of trying to figure out how to throw.
Have a good one ✌
I mistakenly did a good form throw once and I was shocked to see what the disc did as it stayed in the air much longer than usual for me and went hella far. The "feeling" I had was as if my chest was turned more away from the direction I wanted to throw and I pulled the disc towards my throwing arm's armpit. This is an excellent video!
I've been waiting for this for a while now!! This is exactly what I'm trying to achieve nowadays and I'm finally getting some consistency in my form and distance... Still a long way to go though, hard to rewire my brain after 5 years of focusing on the wrong things...
This makes more sense to me than anything else I have seen. Thanks for the good work!
Funny, engaging, and very logical. I can't wait to get to the field after every OT video, but this one opened my eyes a lot!
I've been infected by ball golf and baseball swings to create lag and all of that made sense to me trying to "kinetic chain", but those movements have an additional gigantic lever to create "crack of the whip" - but it's just not the same motion and am guilty of everything you pointed out as a newbie. Looking forward to more!
But even in ball golf, the chest and hips don't open until after impact. I think the ball golf and disc golf swings are incredibly similar.
@@brianwall240 Huh? Woods, Nicklaus, Snead, all the modern swings on tour (Scott, Morikawa, etc.) all have their hips completely open, belt buckle to target, as their shoulders whip club to ball. That seems to be the complete antithesis to this video, no?
@@nomad182yeah hips have to clear to make way for the hands. The golf club creates the whip as it’s pulled through. Backhands have been hard for me as a ball golfer because I’m doing a swing motion opposite of my ball golf swing motion.ie I finish on my left side in ball golf and right side in disc golf. Feels unnatural.
Bro, by far your best video. Both information and artistic style. You slayed it. Well done.
I like what Wiggins said about it feeling like you’re elbowing down a door behind you
Best video yet. I've struggled to grasp how (or what it even means that) pros accelerate the disc immediately after planting. I've been throwing (accelerating) from my left pec forever, knowing that it's wrong. Tried everything to fix it. Watched this, tried to implement it, and throwing feels completely different (in a good way). Super inaccurate atm, but that will come later. Thank you for this video.
Thank god I can quit trying to coil my body before I throw. I literally hurt my lower spine last week by trying to twist too much. This is a great video for the simple explanation on great form for throwing greater distances. Thank you Coach!
Josh. My mind is now blown. I've been keeping my off arm out of the way thinking this was the right way to do things by tucking it down. Now, seeing Wiggins off arm way back out of the way has me rethinking things again.
As always, thanks for all you do @overthrowdiscgolf.
Super helpful to demonstrate the high power shank right as it's plagues my game. This video is well timed as I'm starting to throw better and can use the most up to date guidance!
You are getting mucho better at coaching with explicit instruction, thank you! Loving and Learning disc golf, Lin ❤😂
Thank god i found you!
I had alot backhand issues. About to find way where is power coming from. You totally saved my life man!!! Love u! ❤
🤯 been watching your channel for years and love that you're still blowing my mind with how to get better
this is your best stuff yet without a doubt. more of this.
I was flipping through reels, found a clip. Dug deeper found this video and literally had a television brain exploding moment where everything clicked. I throw generally pretty far at least for the courses here 360-380 range and I went out today and did field work, worked on moving my hand as fast as I could and keeping my legs in place and I have never thrown further. Thank you so much.
Congrats!
Great video! Sometimes ya gotta watch a video a hundred times before it sinks in~ Also, big props to all the graphics and music, it really fuels the professionalism!
Every time I hear the scream I laugh and by the time I hear it again, I haven't recovered from the first laugh. Absolutely love your sense of humor. Busting a gut here😂
Think this might be your best video yet ❤
Still relevant. I'm super late to disc golf, but want to learn, grow, advance, etc. GREAT video!!
This video definitely gives me ideas to think about, and it is hilarious at the same time. Nice work guys!
Makes you wonder how many great disc golfers got ruined by coaches teaching trailing arm mechanics, and whether the pros are just the ones who instinctually didnt listen. 😅. Great video. Ive been getting a decent amount of of whoosh/snap from the towel drill with my current form but after watching this I got an actual crack for the first time.
I feel like every time I think through a form concept, you come out with a video about it right after. I thought of this when watching one of the Foundation videos recently where they threw standing completely backwards and were surprised like they've never thrown so well before.
This was your best content to date. brilliant dude.
Watched this yesterday, then went to the field today and focused exclusively on this stuff. I was throwing 40 or 50 feet further. Low, flat lasers with my Leo3s and Eagles, and was consistently hitting what Udisc said was 350 (+-14ft). I obviously pulled and flipped more shots, but severely cut down on nose-up stall-out throws. Thank you so much for the great video! I can't wait to get out and throw more "bombs".
Takk!
It's wintertime in Finland, 3 feet of snow everywhere, cold as balls and there's absolutely no business going to the courses. Perfect time to relearn my form come spring after a long break, thank you for the good video
Outstanding as always! Accelerate the elbow first, which will start the hand moving on the path. Then accelerate the hand.
If you look at a lot of top pros like McBeth, Gibson, Lizotte they continue to turn their shoulders to the target while releasing. Wiggins is not the exemplary disc golfer. The power is definitely generated from the ground up if you watch all the above in slow motion. I think Josh is definitely correct about stopping everything helping generate power but before the stop their is an initial turn from the ground up using power generated from the momentum, and turn of the back foot/hip into the brace then lead hip pulling back all slightly before the core/shoulders/arm comes through.
roleplays were hilarious, but soooo true! awesome video Josh!
So many people needed to hear this. Including myself. I started noticing so many pros keeping that left leg behind them, similar to the way bowlers do. It seems to keep the body from beating the arm to the hit. I've gained about 40 ft. in the past two weeks, just from trying to stay behind the hit. Great video
Rear leg counterweight video on the docket
My buddy and I filmed ourselves trying to focus on getting our arms out in front. Hole one at the local course is in a deep 380’ spot, I’m always coming up short and heisering out in the rough or over turning a flex line. I feel like I hit a wall around 350’ and can’t power the disc farther. First throw was a flat release that made it pin high with probably 70% of the usual effort I put in. Less effort, more distance, instantly.
Thank you for breaking it down so simply. I think a lot of people focus on the reach back and the coil which leads to an arm that gets stuck behind the body and has to round.
Congratulations 🎉
Nailed it on this one. This exactly why I’ve been stuck at 350. My body will make that adjustment and keep the disc straight sometimes but this is gold
A revelation in rotation! Bravo!
This video reinforces my body's natural signals perfectly. I was a football player and as such focused a lot on explosiveness and progression in the weight room. Therefor I've learned to recognize the result of good form based on where soreness presents itself. Over the last 10 years of playing disc golf I've realized that when I play a long course and my form is good 370' is easy (I'm only 5'7" so that seems pretty decent to me) and I'm sore in my peck and triceps (a result of firing both lower and upper body in sync). On the same coarse when I struggle for distance, usually my shoulder and elbow are sore (tendon soreness not muscle) which tells me my arm isn't pulling to match my lower body. When both upper and lower body are firing together, it is much lower impact on my body and makes distance feel much less effortless.
Your body's reaction to good form may be a good video for your channel. I feel like many people can't relate to how athletic movements should effect you. Being sore isn't necessarily bad.
Perfect. This helps a lot. I have been trying to get this down by throwing into a net for the last month and not liking the results but I just took a few discs out into my yard/field and, while I didn't throw as far as I have in the past with bad form, the distance achieved was good but, more importantly, 'effortless' -- it was just so easy. Discs that were uselessly understable for me in the past now fly just like they are supposed to. My last shot had some 'snap' on it which I haven't had in a long time. Thanks so much!
Congrats!
Love it! Been working on this the last month since my last form review calling this issue out. It’s definitely hard to fix but just needs reps on reps to hammer it down!
Completely agree with this video. It took me a long time of learning form to realize that I need to arm it more. I has a huge problem with realy rotation in my form from the start. To fix it, I just had to think about looking perpendicular to where I was throwing, pull the disc through the pocket, and then let my arms turn my body and chest on the follow through. I have been playing disc golf now for about 8 months and can consistently throw around 350ft.
Once again, thank you! This was a piece of the puzzle I was looking for. Another masterpiece of a video!
Josh woke up feeling spicy today 😂
Thank you for the study and sharing your evolving knowledge.
Marvelously unhinged today. Always well articulated. Nice job!
Wow, Awesome video. Very informative and instructive. I remember now!! All other videos about hips and footwork are great but this one really clicks 👍👍
Best video to date!
What about Paul Mcbeth? I think you should do a form review of Paul Mcbeth.
Love this! This really is the part where I have been most conflicted.
I would argue that David stops his rotation in his hips and his upper body. The hips are clearly rotating first, followed by his upper body and then the arm comes through as a result of stopping the rotation, and more forceful because the rotating enegy goes into the arm. You probably have to be very strong to be able to do this stopping movement of the rotation. This is my take on it anyways.
I needed this. My lower body was trash and needed to be completely reworked but I somehow thought this would magically translate into 100's of extra feet, that throwing my hips and planting harder would somehow make my arm faster. I recently was watching an Eagle and Simon clinic and they were saying elbow should lead or be the part you focus on pulling through and so I was starting to work on that but this video helped give more context to how to do that while still generating power from the legs. I like the thought of getting my body planted nice and wide and getting a weight shift still but resisting rotating forward too early, keeping my chest facing the side, something to work on.
Brilliant!
I’ve noticed the same problem in my form - collapsing the pocket due to exaggerated upper body rotation. My backhand is so slow and powerless that I’ve had to resort to a very wide railway track to compensate for a ”necessary” griplock in order to get a longer acceleration.
Thank you for suggesting a reasonable way forward.
Best regards,
Henric in Sweden
Love your freaking videos and advice, there r so many theories and ideas about form, thank you for making it easy and succinct.
As a forehand dominant player, I've been extremely frustrated being able to throw 100+ feet further forehand than backhand. I've always felt like there's a ton of power left on the table on my backhand and applying the logic that works on my forehand does nothing for me. This video, especially the bit about how disc golf is different because we're throwing with our lead arm, helped me FINALLY start to understand what the hell I'm doing wrong with my backhand.
This! I can easily throw 100-130 feet further forehand, and while I'm not as athletic as I was 10-15 years ago, I have always felt athletically there has to be more backhand distance for me. Focusing on getting a good solid plant did add some, but this all makes sense. Time to start working on it. Coming from baseball (and batting lefty) I've always been annoyed that the rhbh didn't "click" like I thought it should. This makes a lot of sense and I'm hoping it's a series of clicks now. Good stuff 👍🏼
i found this to be informative and entertaining. i will now do something with the information presented here
Holy S***! This was so eye opening for me. I've been trying to break this code for the longest time. For the life of me I just could not figure out why my timing was so off! I kept rounding no matter what. I've been working so hard on getting the timing with the lower body right that I totally forgot about the arm! I have several bruises on my left rib cage from hitting the edge of the disc on my torso because my chest was moving before my arm!
Great video.... loved the Wilhelm Screams 🤣🤣🤣
Love the video, and I think this is one of the best explanations I have seen yet. The past couple of months, I have had a sole focus of getting into the position David is in, not really caring how I get there because I know my body will optimize that over time. I'm kind of reverse engineering my throw. It's basically impossible to get yourself into that position and then throw a dud.
Excellent. Very well done and said
Dude, this video is JUST what I needed. As a former discus thrower i have STRUGGLED with fighting the urge to let rotation of my body guide my hand/arm, when from what i have gathered in this video, it's the opposite.
You’re gonna have a nasty forehand with discuss form though
@OverthrowDiscGolf yeah yesterday when I went to a disc golf group meet up the guys I went through with asked me why I didn't do more forehand and I simply said "because it feels like I'm not supposed to when I see everyone doing backhand" 😂
Thanks for the Red Pill!
Damn, it makes sense! Don't know how many times I collapsed my pocket trying to rotate as fast as possible and letting the arm stay behind. Always end up hitting to off arm shoulder.
An eye opener for sure!
Disc golf is crazy...
Guilty as charged! All that stay loose talk definitely left me with a wet noodle arm totally collapsing my pocket. Thank you
People coming from golf with an understanding of form have such an advantage coming into DG. Knowing how to transfer energy from lower to upper body will make progress so much fast than someone coming from nothing. Also understanding and being able to feel timing line up.
People get so caught up on hips or upper body and what the player is "trying" to do. You are literally just transferring energy from your lower body to upper body through the arm and out the hand. This is why form can look so different and produce similar results. We are all shaped, strengthened and restricted in different ways. Disc golf form will go through more changes as we are able to pull more analytics now. Ultimately performance and longevity will both increase.
Nice to see you've come around. I commented that exact thing on a video of yours a year or so ago. Power doesn't "travel" through the body. Our musculoskeletal structure is by necessity a shock-absorber first and a lever-system for our muscles second, or we'd die from the impact of jumping down from a chair.
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Nice. Love this take.
I was disagreeing a bit with some of your stuff some time ago (I might just have been wrong) but I really like this. There has bee nsome interesting development in your teachings here, and it's exciting to follow. I've had tremendous success the last year by thinking that everything EXCEPT my right arm is to curl in towards an imaginary pole at my center of weight right at/after the plant - and that focus helped with understanding brace, hip rotation, rotation timing, angles, lots of things. I feel like the weight shift/momentum gives kinetic power potential, and the contraction (as I like to think of it) done properly, mind you, is what makes it easier to let that arm rip. This video showed me some more to practice and I already think my arm is too far behind.
Also loved the scripting/editing of this video. Especially the long silence on the wiggins thing xD
The Wiggins part was actually just a natural thought lol
You had me laughing so hard.
"The biggest cup of coff..." cameraman interrupts, "You need to take a nap?"
Killed me. That was comedy gold 👏
Went to an Albert Tamm clinic and asked him what he thought about when throwing and he said he thinks about moving his arm as fast as possible from the reach back.
Wow...I was in belief that you start uncoiling from down to the up and it made sense due to so called spring action but your explanation why it wouldn't work also makes sense. Especially the power pocket collapsing part. So it's all about the arm speed... definitely gonna try out the new technique
This totally throws off everything I’ve been trying to learn since I started 2 years ago. Hard enough getting into disc golf in my 40s but now I’m finding out I’ve been doing everything wrong?! Very frustrating if true since I’ve watched a lot of videos and practiced countless hours.
Nice vid. I low key started doing this yesterday practicing. My off arm driving my shoulders forward helped but distance and speed went way down. Brought back in my lead arm form from pulling in ultimate. More arm and more whip instantly equated to way more spin and distance on my putters and mids. Easily hitting 200-250 with putters and 250 +275 with my mid ranges. Now the release angle lol.......
Nice work!
Josh- great topic
Mikey- great filming and edit
The best form for you never stops growing. I've, over the past few months, been throwing with my thumb off the flight plate holding it steady with the crease of my palm and using a four finger tip hold. It's snapless and it might be my imagination but it's far more accurate and is easier on the body to throw anhyzer.
Throwing with the lead side vs trail side actually makes total sense on why you need to throw different than other sports.
Loving the Ted talk-music at the end 😂 Another banger of a video from the overthrow channel!
I just hope people dont take the title out of context and ignore your videos on the power pocket and how to get there. My interpretation of "arm the disc" is the back-leg-plant-and-rotate-boys (Which I used to belong to) who avoid the power pocket like it's poison 😅
Yep. We’re going from being spinny boys to being through the pocket bois
Great video! I know I’ve been taught to let my arm lag behind in order to get that whip effect, but found the pulling through always seemed to give more control and hitting my max distance more consistently. Also would see less early releases or grip locks.
I'm excited to see the new drill videos after this one.
Is this gonna be another abandoned 'light bulb moment' like the extra tight grip for 500' vid?