Hey guys, it's been a minute between the recording date and upload date, but even after only a few days a lot has changed! A few things I feel as if I did not emphasis on nearly as much as I should have is that his moves that appear disjointed aren't actually disjointed like most of the cast, making it so that his range isn't actually a strength of his. Another big point is that his matchup spread is really really rough. A large portion of the roster has more range, more speed, more kill power, less recovery and even has better combos and kill set ups than him. This not only makes him inconsistent in bracket, but causes Jason to not really have the niche that his arcetype would lead you to believe and can cause him to be very frustrating to play. What are your thoughts on Jason? Do you think Player1st will buff him? Or do you think that the other characters just need to be knocked down a few pegs? What changes would you suggest? Let me know below!!!
Personally would like to see his grey heath changed up because like you’ve stated it’s to much of a risk in most matches to use. Think that fixing his disjoint and that would make him good. Now I think I’m terms of kit that I think should be changed are just that I think that his jab should combo into the bag so that it can be hit.
Jason is in a unique area. The fact that you are so big but also have a big melee range/knockout is the thing about him. Having the ability to survive a knockout moves is great. But doing your knockout or starting a combo because that move is active is what they are afraid of being too strong. Just like everyone in the game, they have something special about them. But yes, Jason shouldn't hurt himself when doing that ability since Wonder Woman can cleanse and shield. Cleanse is a questionable thing because effects don't last that long except for Rick's reindog maker.
@@djfrog1623 No brother, those matchups are horrindus. You're in the same boat as all of the other Jason mains. Unfortunatly there's a few more that are just as rough too. Gizmo and debatably Arya are also on that list.
The more im playing jason. The more im realizing that hes an unfinished character. Missing hitboxes. Missing armor breaking movements. It just feels like he was rushed
Don’t know if you know this but revive perk makes you die sooner. Also his jab only has a hit box on his fists his machete doesn’t have a hit box so he can’t trade jabs being it’s super slow and has low range
@@PrivateDaisy I played in ones yesterday and went against 4 jokers in a row and I had literally zero chance joker out ranges me has a projectile is faster and kills just has early
Imo his biggest weaknesses are his speed and his hitboxes, for being essentially a heavy swordie with grappler traits, he has no range. The speed is an issue only because he has no range. I started playing wonderwoman because shes better
@DrGandW as much as i want that to be true go watch his matches as jason vs void. He didn't win a single match. Jason def has potential with a few tweaks but he needs a little help
Fun fact Jason side b doesn't remove his Grey health for some reason, I know from dealing with this one Jason that just spammed side b after armoring up
@@The_WIll_OF_D99 Not true. Can confirm that you keep the grey health even if you manage to hit the opponent with the teleport. You can just go nuts with it until the grey health goes away on its own. Unclear if it's an intended interaction or just a bug, though.
It's kinda funny that people paid real money to get a B tier character at best, when the game gave us some of the A+ tier characters for free! Despite being painful to play Jason in 1v1s, I'm not going to give up my favorite slasher. I'm not a meta slave to drop him for banana guard!
I don't care much for Friday the 13th, but I have no plans to give him up either. Despite WW and Banana Guard being strictly better, I still to resonate really well with some of his more unique traits like his grounded up special being a reliable way to stuff approaches and advantage state being very satisfying when you have the right read. When the meta falls, the Jason's will rise!
@@samcrow4640Even though the first friday the 13th was made in response to the success of hallowen, the movies are complety diferent Jason Voorhees has a moral code, he mostly only kills people who enter his territory and how aren't kids, he also is not technically evil as he never understood right from wrong While Michael Myers is the incarnation of evil, only attacking on hallowen, not caring about killing animals, adults or children but mostly only trying to kill his relatives
Could you make a video about the full release's difference in feel and gameplay? I myself have felt the slowness, particularly when in hitstun; losing neutral feels so grating when you're waiting around to regain action.
I actually have a video on the works about that now. It's gonna be my next big video essay. Just uploading stream content to have content flow until it's ready.
@@RPS_FGC Harley gotta be next on the nightmare list. Jason is so fun but requires such optimal plays it's aggravating. other characters get to throw out everything. I wanna give up but I'm to deep
@@Jotchuaa I know the feeling brother. I'm in the same boat. We can pray for buffs. If they allow IG to be top 1, it means they'll allow anyone to be too 1.
Wait is Dexter's lab not in rotation anymore? I've been wondering why i haven't played it in a while, aw mannnn that map was so fun, why'd they take it out??
The competitive one is still there, but the "fun" one definitely needed to be removed cause there's absolutely no fun at all in that stage whenever you're playing it in 2v2, it's a miserable and chaotic experience
@@yarogblack1909 awww that sucks, It's the best map in the game. Why would they take it out of rotation? If this was a ranked queue I'd get it, but it's just the normal casual queue.
@@youcantbeatDI think the real reason it's gone it's because it has some Internet issues, last time I played on that map, the game would just softlock itself if Rick was on the map.
@@RPS_FGC The majority of Jason's i've played don't really know how to play the matchup, but I think because most kills are confirmed with Gun the side special thing you mentioned wouldn't be as potent unless Stripe messes up the beginning of the early kill combos
It's so hard to play em. I just switched to Joker. Only 5 characters I see in 1v1 is Finn, WW, Shaggy, BG, and Joker. They need to improve everyone else. Jason is too slow even on reads with how people spam fast characters. Finn for example always hits no matter what on his side normals even on dodge he recovers faster than Jason can dodge and then counter attack.
Jason feels better for 2v2 because 1v1 a good player will not let you play with that hitbox I think he needs something to get out of combos because some character will ruin your time if you let them of if they want to zone you
Lower weight characters can get tossed out with sleeping bags. I'm a morty main, and I'm sad when I can't get out of the bag and die. Weight shouldn't matter, but it does for a sleeping bag. If they can, I would say have a button to resist and make it easier for lower weight characters to get out and heavy a little harder. Or just make it not a weight factor or buff morty weight, lol. Also, they need to nerf some characters or buff some people back to where they were.
Are you serious Morty is dog water right now but he deletes Jason what is he gonna do against your grenades or axe or the snake shot he’s a sitting duck 😂
@thegamewin100 nah, you are incorrect about Jason vs. morty. Snakes and grenades are limited, unlike LeBron basketball. They are great knock outs but very hard to land. They nerfed grenades on throw range and took away the grenade shot project, which was powerful. Also nerfed the split grenades from earth wall and can't scrub the floors infinity and nerfed two but really three of his main perks. One being the grenade, to being the hammer morty(it doesn't do as much damage and doesn't hitstun like it used and the plumbus or whatever it's called isn't strong at all besides to combo with. Overall they killed morty and Velma and now iron giant.
@@Dezatron- 😑 then why am I still destroying people with him it’s okay to have to work harder yes you need to use his entire kit but hey I’m not giving up on the character
@thegamewin100 I'm aware that people can still get destroyed by morty. The main thing is that I have to work way harder than other characters who deny my projectiles and have a better range than morty. If the game still had the healing factor for the down special, which is his return to an area move. Then he would be okay with the fact of his weight being so low. But they took everything good away from him and just made him a luck/skill character. Don't get me started on the blast radius for the grenades.
These Jason mains complain about Jason being “slow”. Jason’s kit is insanely good if the right person uses him. He has probably the biggest kill potential in the game, a side special that lets him tp behind his opponent with a perk. You are just not using him the way he is intended.
I half agree with what you're saying here. I agree that him being slow isn't an issue. In fact, in this very video I actively say that his speed isn't the issue. However, I do think that he's designed to be able to compensate for his speed with his range. The issue though, is that his range isn't nearly as strong as it needs to be in order to compensate for his speed, as most all of his moves aren't actually disjointed and will often trade, or more often, be beaten out completely by other moves, leaving him to get stuffed out with little to no options to actually open up his opponent. His side special perk does not help him whatsoever. Even though it does have little end lag, its still slow and doesn't have low enough end lag to reasonably use it to approach as it can always be reacted to and punished upon use. Taking the perk is actively detrimental to the character, as he loses a huge recovery and landing tool of he takes it, to effectively have a new way to get stuffed out and punished on approach. If his other strength, his kill power, was unique, he could make up for his lack-luster neutral by requiring less neutral wins than his opponent in order to close stocks and win games. However, Jason's kill power and damage output not only is not unique to him, but most all of the cast actually has more reasonable kill options that also kill earlier and are significantly safer. As much as I'd really like to say Jason is good, it's impossible to look over the glaring flaws the character has with pretty much no reasonable way to compensate
@@RPS_FGC really good sum up I would say. Honestly, if his kill power and hit boxes were better, he would for sure be a bigger threat. But as of right now, it feels underwhelming. Sleeping bag kinda sucks, his perks are detrimental, and while side special is very good, followed close by grounded up special, the rest leaves a lot to be said. His strength both in 1v1 and teams should be improved by a lot. Grounded up special SHOULD have better fire power + the slam SHOULD have an extra impact on the slam, to help on teams. He's not Velma for sure, but he honestly would like some more tools to work with
Hey guys, it's been a minute between the recording date and upload date, but even after only a few days a lot has changed!
A few things I feel as if I did not emphasis on nearly as much as I should have is that his moves that appear disjointed aren't actually disjointed like most of the cast, making it so that his range isn't actually a strength of his.
Another big point is that his matchup spread is really really rough. A large portion of the roster has more range, more speed, more kill power, less recovery and even has better combos and kill set ups than him. This not only makes him inconsistent in bracket, but causes Jason to not really have the niche that his arcetype would lead you to believe and can cause him to be very frustrating to play.
What are your thoughts on Jason? Do you think Player1st will buff him? Or do you think that the other characters just need to be knocked down a few pegs? What changes would you suggest? Let me know below!!!
Personally would like to see his grey heath changed up because like you’ve stated it’s to much of a risk in most matches to use. Think that fixing his disjoint and that would make him good. Now I think I’m terms of kit that I think should be changed are just that I think that his jab should combo into the bag so that it can be hit.
Jason is in a unique area. The fact that you are so big but also have a big melee range/knockout is the thing about him. Having the ability to survive a knockout moves is great. But doing your knockout or starting a combo because that move is active is what they are afraid of being too strong. Just like everyone in the game, they have something special about them. But yes, Jason shouldn't hurt himself when doing that ability since Wonder Woman can cleanse and shield. Cleanse is a questionable thing because effects don't last that long except for Rick's reindog maker.
He’s too slow he gets comboed easily
Can't do anything when I fight against Finn and jonkler am I stupid? 😢
@@djfrog1623 No brother, those matchups are horrindus. You're in the same boat as all of the other Jason mains. Unfortunatly there's a few more that are just as rough too. Gizmo and debatably Arya are also on that list.
It's funny that a horror movie character is scared to fight of a funny rabbit
Or gizmo. That little guy is such a pain to deal with as jason
I like your style, you’re one of the only TH-camrs I’ve seen that’s honest about characters pros and don’t just say that “they’re awful and useless”.
The more im playing jason. The more im realizing that hes an unfinished character. Missing hitboxes. Missing armor breaking movements. It just feels like he was rushed
Just wait until you see the video that's coming out today 💀
Don’t know if you know this but revive perk makes you die sooner. Also his jab only has a hit box on his fists his machete doesn’t have a hit box so he can’t trade jabs being it’s super slow and has low range
That deserves a capslock BRUH
@@PrivateDaisy I played in ones yesterday and went against 4 jokers in a row and I had literally zero chance joker out ranges me has a projectile is faster and kills just has early
Imo his biggest weaknesses are his speed and his hitboxes, for being essentially a heavy swordie with grappler traits, he has no range. The speed is an issue only because he has no range. I started playing wonderwoman because shes better
Honestly Jason just needs more SAUCE in his kit, cause he feels way cooler than he actually looks
I’m convinced there simply aren’t good enough Jasons yet NAKAT has me expecting a comeup from this guy eventually
@DrGandW as much as i want that to be true go watch his matches as jason vs void. He didn't win a single match. Jason def has potential with a few tweaks but he needs a little help
Fun fact Jason side b doesn't remove his Grey health for some reason, I know from dealing with this one Jason that just spammed side b after armoring up
It only loses armor IF the attack hits. It's a thing that's an attack and mobility tool.
Yea I knew that, its pretty handy but some players would run away. they are so p***y
@@The_WIll_OF_D99
Not true. Can confirm that you keep the grey health even if you manage to hit the opponent with the teleport. You can just go nuts with it until the grey health goes away on its own. Unclear if it's an intended interaction or just a bug, though.
I feel like I’m playing Roy burns instead of Jason voorhees
ROY BURNS MENTION
Okay real talk though, he'd make a neat alternate skin for Jason.
@@deppo436a funny lose animation would be Roy just laying there with the mask off showing it’s just a dude
It's kinda funny that people paid real money to get a B tier character at best, when the game gave us some of the A+ tier characters for free! Despite being painful to play Jason in 1v1s, I'm not going to give up my favorite slasher. I'm not a meta slave to drop him for banana guard!
I don't care much for Friday the 13th, but I have no plans to give him up either.
Despite WW and Banana Guard being strictly better, I still to resonate really well with some of his more unique traits like his grounded up special being a reliable way to stuff approaches and advantage state being very satisfying when you have the right read.
When the meta falls, the Jason's will rise!
@@RPS_FGCFriday the 13th is just a crappy rip off of Michael Myers
@@samcrow4640Even though the first friday the 13th was made in response to the success of hallowen, the movies are complety diferent
Jason Voorhees has a moral code, he mostly only kills people who enter his territory and how aren't kids, he also is not technically evil as he never understood right from wrong
While Michael Myers is the incarnation of evil, only attacking on hallowen, not caring about killing animals, adults or children but mostly only trying to kill his relatives
@@Fanciestclown_15 Well, they're both ruthless killers, but Myers killed teens at the very youngest as did Jason.
@@samcrow4640 thats littearly not my only point, also most of the Friday the 13th series is more comedy based than hallowen
Could you make a video about the full release's difference in feel and gameplay?
I myself have felt the slowness, particularly when in hitstun; losing neutral feels so grating when you're waiting around to regain action.
I actually have a video on the works about that now. It's gonna be my next big video essay.
Just uploading stream content to have content flow until it's ready.
Didn't realize I'd seen this channel before because we hadn't seen the face before! Keep it up bro, solid video
Good video rps 👍 been hearing about this one in stream
Jason is so slow ur losing to 99.9% of characters
So the other and only character he have chances to win is versus another jason?
Why does his second Jab hitbox miss in combos his hitboxes are definitely too small
I nearly broke my controller trying to fight bugs and tom and jerry today. Level 12 jason and i still feel useless
same
I decided to quit completely the character is so ass its amazing how he loses to everyone in the game. If the enemy is good you lose. @@zander6259
I just hit level 14 today.
Joker, Finn and Gizmo have been my personal worst nightmare
@@RPS_FGC Harley gotta be next on the nightmare list. Jason is so fun but requires such optimal plays it's aggravating. other characters get to throw out everything. I wanna give up but I'm to deep
@@Jotchuaa I know the feeling brother. I'm in the same boat. We can pray for buffs.
If they allow IG to be top 1, it means they'll allow anyone to be too 1.
Really well thought out video
I literally do not care how slow Jason is.
HES MY BOY AND I LOVE HIM
Wait is Dexter's lab not in rotation anymore? I've been wondering why i haven't played it in a while, aw mannnn that map was so fun, why'd they take it out??
The competitive one is still there, but the "fun" one definitely needed to be removed cause there's absolutely no fun at all in that stage whenever you're playing it in 2v2, it's a miserable and chaotic experience
@@yarogblack1909 awww that sucks, It's the best map in the game. Why would they take it out of rotation? If this was a ranked queue I'd get it, but it's just the normal casual queue.
@@youcantbeatDI think the real reason it's gone it's because it has some Internet issues, last time I played on that map, the game would just softlock itself if Rick was on the map.
Run the ones? I wanna make an accurate matchup chart and jason I'm not sure of his spot
Honestly, I have no idea anything about the Stripe MU either. But I'd be down at some point.
@@RPS_FGC The majority of Jason's i've played don't really know how to play the matchup, but I think because most kills are confirmed with Gun the side special thing you mentioned wouldn't be as potent unless Stripe messes up the beginning of the early kill combos
@@RPS_FGC Do you have a discord? Maybe we can play sometime
He’s like DK and Ganon from smash but somehow even more fun
Please drop a “your multiversus mc, your smbu main” part 2 🙏
It's so hard to play em. I just switched to Joker. Only 5 characters I see in 1v1 is Finn, WW, Shaggy, BG, and Joker. They need to improve everyone else. Jason is too slow even on reads with how people spam fast characters. Finn for example always hits no matter what on his side normals even on dodge he recovers faster than Jason can dodge and then counter attack.
Jason feels better for 2v2 because 1v1 a good player will not let you play with that hitbox I think he needs something to get out of combos because some character will ruin your time if you let them of if they want to zone you
I think WB were just afraid to have a Jason that was insane from their previous fighting game, MKX.
Lower weight characters can get tossed out with sleeping bags. I'm a morty main, and I'm sad when I can't get out of the bag and die. Weight shouldn't matter, but it does for a sleeping bag. If they can, I would say have a button to resist and make it easier for lower weight characters to get out and heavy a little harder. Or just make it not a weight factor or buff morty weight, lol. Also, they need to nerf some characters or buff some people back to where they were.
Are you serious Morty is dog water right now but he deletes Jason what is he gonna do against your grenades or axe or the snake shot he’s a sitting duck 😂
And yes Morty does need a buff he’s pretty bad right now you really really gotta work as him just to kill
@thegamewin100 nah, you are incorrect about Jason vs. morty. Snakes and grenades are limited, unlike LeBron basketball. They are great knock outs but very hard to land. They nerfed grenades on throw range and took away the grenade shot project, which was powerful. Also nerfed the split grenades from earth wall and can't scrub the floors infinity and nerfed two but really three of his main perks. One being the grenade, to being the hammer morty(it doesn't do as much damage and doesn't hitstun like it used and the plumbus or whatever it's called isn't strong at all besides to combo with. Overall they killed morty and Velma and now iron giant.
@@Dezatron- 😑 then why am I still destroying people with him it’s okay to have to work harder yes you need to use his entire kit but hey I’m not giving up on the character
@thegamewin100 I'm aware that people can still get destroyed by morty. The main thing is that I have to work way harder than other characters who deny my projectiles and have a better range than morty. If the game still had the healing factor for the down special, which is his return to an area move. Then he would be okay with the fact of his weight being so low. But they took everything good away from him and just made him a luck/skill character. Don't get me started on the blast radius for the grenades.
They really need to buff his speed ngl
I just think he's neat
These Jason mains complain about Jason being “slow”. Jason’s kit is insanely good if the right person uses him. He has probably the biggest kill potential in the game, a side special that lets him tp behind his opponent with a perk. You are just not using him the way he is intended.
I half agree with what you're saying here.
I agree that him being slow isn't an issue. In fact, in this very video I actively say that his speed isn't the issue.
However, I do think that he's designed to be able to compensate for his speed with his range. The issue though, is that his range isn't nearly as strong as it needs to be in order to compensate for his speed, as most all of his moves aren't actually disjointed and will often trade, or more often, be beaten out completely by other moves, leaving him to get stuffed out with little to no options to actually open up his opponent.
His side special perk does not help him whatsoever. Even though it does have little end lag, its still slow and doesn't have low enough end lag to reasonably use it to approach as it can always be reacted to and punished upon use. Taking the perk is actively detrimental to the character, as he loses a huge recovery and landing tool of he takes it, to effectively have a new way to get stuffed out and punished on approach.
If his other strength, his kill power, was unique, he could make up for his lack-luster neutral by requiring less neutral wins than his opponent in order to close stocks and win games. However, Jason's kill power and damage output not only is not unique to him, but most all of the cast actually has more reasonable kill options that also kill earlier and are significantly safer.
As much as I'd really like to say Jason is good, it's impossible to look over the glaring flaws the character has with pretty much no reasonable way to compensate
Weird passive aggressiveness for no reason lol
@@unr34L- bro got whooped by a jason player thats why haha
@@RPS_FGC really good sum up I would say. Honestly, if his kill power and hit boxes were better, he would for sure be a bigger threat. But as of right now, it feels underwhelming.
Sleeping bag kinda sucks, his perks are detrimental, and while side special is very good, followed close by grounded up special, the rest leaves a lot to be said.
His strength both in 1v1 and teams should be improved by a lot. Grounded up special SHOULD have better fire power + the slam SHOULD have an extra impact on the slam, to help on teams.
He's not Velma for sure, but he honestly would like some more tools to work with
Bro just got destroyed by a Jason who is just better than him and concluded that Jason was busted 😭🙏 pls be better