Thanks Dr. D, for reminding us how weird so much of the Bible is to us modern-day rational thinkers. 😄 And thanks for showing us how much the Bible was a product of its time, culture and geopolitical influences.
@@people2chronically-online I don't understand what you're asking. The only book I mentioned in my post was the Bible, and I have no idea what Reddit atheism is. You seem to be reading much more into my comment than it expressed, and making unfounded allegations.
Thanks Dan, this video did a great job of portraying all the information accurately and succinctly. Lilith's origins have always been a fascination of mine.
I was just thinking about that and wondered if perhaps the writers chose the character's name specifically because they had an idea about a story arc for her and Frasier vis-a-vis her personality and their divorce.
This is a good example of how pervasive and 'mainstream' (if Lewis can be so described) the myth of Lilith has become. Lewis's friend Charles Williams put her into his modern-day fantasy novel "Descent into Hell" as 'Lily Samille', who offers a form of loveless temptation. And of course, George McDonald had written the fantasy novel 'Lilith' much earlier.
@@majkus so they did: I had forgotten that. Charles Williams is a bit of an embarrassment to the memory of The Inklings, I always feel. I like his books myself, but they do not seem to be much read these days. George MacDonald I find unreadable, sadly. An idol of C.S.Lewis, of course.
Considering that this was written thousands of years after Adam would have been plausibly alive, I don't think it's fair to assign any sort of bad character trait to that individual even if he isn't fictional
@@CoachBriceWilliams I mean, what even is "Adam" at that point? Evolution occurs at population levels. So there was never a "first" homo sapien. Are we talking about our most recent common ancestor? Cause that guy was still like 90k+ years ago, wasn't alone and it's questionable that he even had a name as we conceive of the concept. And honestly, humans are kinda jerks as is. Like as not, whoever we're talking about was about as socially maladapted as the rest of us. Probably more so, as rates of violence have only ever gone down on average over time.
Isn’t “Isaiah” 33-35 a composite text written between 597-539 BCE? Wouldn’t that make it potentially contemporary with 2 “Isaiah” 40-55 and after Genesis (1-36)?
This all sounds pretty interesting and fun, but imagine letting all this mythological stuff rule your life in this day and age. Religion is so archaic and outdated.
Apparently, religion isn't outdated, or else religion would become obsolete in all societies. We are still primitive enough that we actually survive by archaic practices like religion and warfare.
@aqueous5099 Well, modern civilization's standards are still pretty low imo. Archaic regions haven't helped, though, so I can agree with you to a large extent.
@@aqueous5099 If we look at the average IQ and the gullibility of humans as a whole, religion is completely relevant. Seneca - Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful. Napoleon Bonaparte -- Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.
You can't harmonize the two accounts. Genesis was written by at least two different people, and what we have today was a cut and paste job putting the two accounts together. That's why the story of Noah also is a little confusing.
@@ElyushiAndyra2006 If you will notice, the entire first chapter of Genesis, into the first verse of chapter 2 refers to God as ELOHIM, simply translated in most Bibles as "God". Then the narrative starts with another creation story, and this one uses the Hebrew name of God YHWH, translated in most Bibles as "the LORD". It's believed that these are two different accounts patched together. And you will see something like this throughout the book of Genesis and even into the stories of Moses. With the story of Noah, God tells Noah to get two of every animal. But then the narrative changes and "the LORD" is talking about getting seven of every clean animal. So which is it? There are two different accounts patched together from two different writers writing at two different times. If you pay attention to the swapping of "God" and "the LORD", you'll see little differences in the information given.
Yes! Its about time people describe this Jinn correctly. Being both bilbe student and demon studies and been in upper level cults.. ive faced this head on for real. People into craft follow whatever they are told. In the numerology 4s come up in these stories for a reason like Asherah
Is there any truth to the “lullaby” having been originated as “lilleth bye,” as a bedtime song to scare off evil demons? Or is that just urban legend as well?
Sexual ideation is often culturally specific, as demonstrated by the culture shock of westerners learning about Islam. Ancient middle easterners were very misogynist, just like modern middle easterners and these sort of sentiments are very much still relevant to this very day. It's no coincidence that feminism came from western white people only, as they are the only people who could have fathomed such a thing in the first place.
During the babylonian period demons goddesses could take on a variety of forms, e.g. Tiamat was the sea, a kind of sea dragon, and a diva. They were hollywood before hollywood. There were a variety of lillitu, both male and female. The way we should think about these is the idea is much older and spread out in Akkad and Sumer. Each city state then further develops those ideas, the exchange story motifs. The Exilic Yehudites were traveling between these cities learning these different stories. Ezekiel tells us for instance is lying on the bank of a canal near larsa, hes have dreams about women weeping to Tammuz, the dumuzi cult was popular in bad tibera, a few kms disn the Tigris river, Dumuzis home town. We can seecthat the local culture is affecting his Magick and imagination. Now we have to think about hundreds of the Yehud, returning back to Jerusalem from different cities in Mesopotamia. They then a sharing differing version of the myths, editing and transfotming the myths until it belings to them.
@@BavidDigg Demons take the representations of the mind. We seek agency, we project divities. Consequently we invision or imagine what qualities the agency has. The better choice is not to do that but reflect on ones internal "agency".
Of course not. There are only two possibilities. The Bible is the 100% accurate Word of God, and it has Eve as Adam's one and only wife. Or there never was an "Adam" because we evolved from apes. Nothing else, like the Quran or Bhagavad-Gita being the truth instead of the Bible, or, in this example, Jewish traditions, can possibly be taken seriously! (Actually, the Bible being the 100% accurate Word of God also can't be taken seriously either, but unlike the others, it's a mainstream position in the U.S.)
"This time she is a bone from my bones, flesh from my flesh.” “Bone of my bones”-meaning: a personality as inflexible as a dry bone. Adam dumped that one fast. “Flesh from my flesh” refers to Woman 2.0, Eve.
@@hrvatskinoahid1048 Just because one is Jewish does not make one automatically familiar with the Hebrew Torah. It's like saying, "Christians know their gospels" when, in fact, I've met precious few Christians who are truly versed in the gospels.
Adam never knew what he was missing. 😂😂😂
@@MrMortal_Rait must be pretty special if that nut leaves you exhausted for a full day
Thanks Dr. D, for reminding us how weird so much of the Bible is to us modern-day rational thinkers. 😄
And thanks for showing us how much the Bible was a product of its time, culture and geopolitical influences.
A book of the non canon of the Bible proved your Reddit atheism?
@@people2chronically-online I don't understand what you're asking. The only book I mentioned in my post was the Bible, and I have no idea what Reddit atheism is.
You seem to be reading much more into my comment than it expressed, and making unfounded allegations.
I'm not submissive. Just lazy.
Thanks Dan, this video did a great job of portraying all the information accurately and succinctly. Lilith's origins have always been a fascination of mine.
It was nice of Lilith to invent an amulet that rendered her powerless.
Anyone else first learn about this from Neon Genesis Evangelion? Now I've got that song stuck in my head.
I thought she was Frasier’s second (third?) wife.
I was just thinking about that and wondered if perhaps the writers chose the character's name specifically because they had an idea about a story arc for her and Frasier vis-a-vis her personality and their divorce.
@@_S0me__0ne oh...there is definitely a connection there.
ESOTERICA has a great video on Lilith, Adam’s first wife, and there’s also a part two.
Dr. Justin Sledge is great 👌🏽
Women get on top, and men will be disabled with the runs.
Cowgirl is great, wild Adam did not want to try it. His loss.
I remember Lilith being mentioned in The Lion,The Witch, and the Wardrobe.
She shows up in a lot of fantasy literature that uses Christian myths.
"Your father Adam's first wife" someone - Mr Beaver? says to one of the human children. Or it might be in "The Magician's Nephew".
@@ritawing1064 It is Mr. Beaver who says it, yes.
This is a good example of how pervasive and 'mainstream' (if Lewis can be so described) the myth of Lilith has become. Lewis's friend Charles Williams put her into his modern-day fantasy novel "Descent into Hell" as 'Lily Samille', who offers a form of loveless temptation. And of course, George McDonald had written the fantasy novel 'Lilith' much earlier.
@@majkus so they did: I had forgotten that. Charles Williams is a bit of an embarrassment to the memory of The Inklings, I always feel. I like his books myself, but they do not seem to be much read these days. George MacDonald I find unreadable, sadly. An idol of C.S.Lewis, of course.
I learned about this when Lilith Fair was big in the 90s.
😂
Kinda sounds like Adam needed to get over himself.
Or under, as the case may be.
Considering that this was written thousands of years after Adam would have been plausibly alive, I don't think it's fair to assign any sort of bad character trait to that individual even if he isn't fictional
Well, as it says in the Bible, "love the sinner, hate the cowgirl."
@@CoachBriceWilliams I mean, what even is "Adam" at that point? Evolution occurs at population levels. So there was never a "first" homo sapien. Are we talking about our most recent common ancestor? Cause that guy was still like 90k+ years ago, wasn't alone and it's questionable that he even had a name as we conceive of the concept.
And honestly, humans are kinda jerks as is. Like as not, whoever we're talking about was about as socially maladapted as the rest of us. Probably more so, as rates of violence have only ever gone down on average over time.
@@CoachBriceWilliamsPlausibly?? Neanderthals, Denisovans? Not plausible.
Apparently penis fractures are much more common at Christmas than any other time of the year.
Thanks, Lilith.
Adam did not have good luck with women.
Adam sounds boring.
and stupid. This was God's "crown of creation?!"
I heard that the term "lullaby" came from a curse word meant to scare Lilith away so she wouldn't harm the children. Is that correct?
The word “lullaby” is from the 16th century. It is Middle English and comes from “lullen” and “by”.
She was transing the kids.
Seems like God really made a mess of it right from the start. What a mook.
Yep, and then had two do overs and still can't get it right, so he is working on his third.
No, she wasn't because none of those people ever existed. They're characters in a fairy tale.
"deviant feminine sexuality" just because she wanted to be on top? HAHAHAHA!
Isn’t “Isaiah” 33-35 a composite text written between 597-539 BCE? Wouldn’t that make it potentially contemporary with 2 “Isaiah” 40-55 and after Genesis (1-36)?
I can personally say being on bottom is better, less tiring, and lets one do more with their hands and mouth. Never got the runs from that 😊
Thanks! 🤙
So that's why girls are always on top in TV.😅
This all sounds pretty interesting and fun, but imagine letting all this mythological stuff rule your life in this day and age. Religion is so archaic and outdated.
It should be treated the same as other myths and fairy tales: read, discuss, evaluate, compare, contrast, move on. That's what fiction is for.
Apparently, religion isn't outdated, or else religion would become obsolete in all societies. We are still primitive enough that we actually survive by archaic practices like religion and warfare.
@@BigBri550outdated in the sense that it is not up to the standard of modern civilization and its tenets.
@aqueous5099 Well, modern civilization's standards are still pretty low imo. Archaic regions haven't helped, though, so I can agree with you to a large extent.
@@aqueous5099 If we look at the average IQ and the gullibility of humans as a whole, religion is completely relevant.
Seneca - Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful.
Napoleon Bonaparte -- Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.
You can't harmonize the two accounts. Genesis was written by at least two different people, and what we have today was a cut and paste job putting the two accounts together. That's why the story of Noah also is a little confusing.
Wait why is Noahs Story confusing??
@@ElyushiAndyra2006 If you will notice, the entire first chapter of Genesis, into the first verse of chapter 2 refers to God as ELOHIM, simply translated in most Bibles as "God". Then the narrative starts with another creation story, and this one uses the Hebrew name of God YHWH, translated in most Bibles as "the LORD". It's believed that these are two different accounts patched together. And you will see something like this throughout the book of Genesis and even into the stories of Moses.
With the story of Noah, God tells Noah to get two of every animal. But then the narrative changes and "the LORD" is talking about getting seven of every clean animal. So which is it? There are two different accounts patched together from two different writers writing at two different times. If you pay attention to the swapping of "God" and "the LORD", you'll see little differences in the information given.
Yes! Its about time people describe this Jinn correctly. Being both bilbe student and demon studies and been in upper level cults.. ive faced this head on for real. People into craft follow whatever they are told. In the numerology 4s come up in these stories for a reason like Asherah
If your _inerrant word of god_ needs a retcon maybe its time to rethink believing it.
I personally believe that the inerrancy doctrine is a roadblock to finding God.
@@BigBri550 It's a roadblock to thinking in general, so, if God exists, certainly inerrancy doctrine is also a roadblock to find it.
@@juanausensi499 Agreed 👍
Thank you for this. Evidently Jews to this very day use these amulets.
So Adam was in an awkward position and didn't like it. I get it. 😂
Well Lilith you can have it anyway you like it
Is there any truth to the “lullaby” having been originated as “lilleth bye,” as a bedtime song to scare off evil demons? Or is that just urban legend as well?
I wouldn't call it an urban legend. The lilith-bi is a longstanding, widely held tradition whether or not it is factual.
This was confusing for me honestly I can’t seem to follow the explanation. I just have to read more I suppose. Thanks for this vid.
I can answer this easily. No, because Adam and Eve and Lilith are all mythological figures who never existed in reality.
Because you say so? Nope you are just a blind fool. Seek God and gain eternal salvation.
But yet you believe everything else in books
So marketing idea to sell amulets.
Sexual ideation is often culturally specific, as demonstrated by the culture shock of westerners learning about Islam. Ancient middle easterners were very misogynist, just like modern middle easterners and these sort of sentiments are very much still relevant to this very day. It's no coincidence that feminism came from western white people only, as they are the only people who could have fathomed such a thing in the first place.
Why do so many translations put this down as bird or owl?
During the babylonian period demons goddesses could take on a variety of forms, e.g. Tiamat was the sea, a kind of sea dragon, and a diva. They were hollywood before hollywood.
There were a variety of lillitu, both male and female. The way we should think about these is the idea is much older and spread out in Akkad and Sumer. Each city state then further develops those ideas, the exchange story motifs.
The Exilic Yehudites were traveling between these cities learning these different stories. Ezekiel tells us for instance is lying on the bank of a canal near larsa, hes have dreams about women weeping to Tammuz, the dumuzi cult was popular in bad tibera, a few kms disn the Tigris river, Dumuzis home town. We can seecthat the local culture is affecting his Magick and imagination. Now we have to think about hundreds of the Yehud, returning back to Jerusalem from different cities in Mesopotamia.
They then a sharing differing version of the myths, editing and transfotming the myths until it belings to them.
@@Darisiabgal7573 so essentially this demon takes the form of a bird/owl?
Owl is commonly associated with Minerva
@@BavidDigg Demons take the representations of the mind. We seek agency, we project divities. Consequently we invision or imagine what qualities the agency has. The better choice is not to do that but reflect on ones internal "agency".
@@Darisiabgal7573 I think we are on different wavelengths here I'm just trying to work out why Lillith is translated bird in NIV/ESV etc
Those angel names sound Russian...
Does this mean Adam did not divorce Lilith before Eve came along?
He didn't marry Eve either, so...
@@juanausensi499 what he was living in sin and his dad didn't kick him out of the house, oh, sorry he did
@@basilkearsley2657 No mention of sin outside the fruit issue. Marriage seems like a feature of the fallen world.
Of course not. There are only two possibilities. The Bible is the 100% accurate Word of God, and it has Eve as Adam's one and only wife. Or there never was an "Adam" because we evolved from apes. Nothing else, like the Quran or Bhagavad-Gita being the truth instead of the Bible, or, in this example, Jewish traditions, can possibly be taken seriously! (Actually, the Bible being the 100% accurate Word of God also can't be taken seriously either, but unlike the others, it's a mainstream position in the U.S.)
We didn't evolve _from_ apes; we evolved along _with_ apes.
I really shouldn't be surprised every single time I learn that the ancient Hebrews were just fucking awful, but somehow I always am
"This time she is a bone from my bones, flesh from my flesh.” “Bone of my bones”-meaning: a personality as inflexible as a dry bone. Adam dumped that one fast. “Flesh from my flesh” refers to Woman 2.0, Eve.
That quote is literally using both phrases to describe Eve.
@@AurorXZ Jews know what their Torah says.
@@hrvatskinoahid1048 Yeah, it says Eve was made from Adam's rib BONE.
@@hrvatskinoahid1048 Just because one is Jewish does not make one automatically familiar with the Hebrew Torah. It's like saying, "Christians know their gospels" when, in fact, I've met precious few Christians who are truly versed in the gospels.
Did Adam actually exist?
Adam West? Certainly he did.
She’s not real 😂