@@jackjohnson8305 i know, but a lot of fans say random guesses or even educated guesses and then get proven wrong most of the time (alvis=ontos is one of the theories we got accurately tho)
I found it funny how Alpha didn't understood Matthew was not Noah at first, than someone in chat who didn't understood either misinformed him by saying that Matthew was Noah's son lmao.
To be fair, I played the game and never thought the possibility that Ghondor could be Noah's son as well and just thought that Matthew was the son that Noah abandons after Noah passes away and Ghondor adopted him
@@KaitoTheRamenBandit I can see someone drawing this conclusion, especially since the trailer doesn't explicitly estate he and Na'el are siblings (This is only said in the Bios shared on twitter and in the official site), otherwise this would probably be enough to clarify the situation. Edit: Although now that I think about it, since their kid was already kinda grown up by the time of N and M's death, they could technically be hiding a younger sister existing somehow, and it would also make sense that Noah would warn someone from the City to come and take care of their child after his passing. So this interpretation could theoretically still be proven true, but who knows!
One thing I noticed with both Shulk and Rex is that they take influence from their party members, Shulk has a prosthetic arm, that being his right, the same arm Dunban lost use of due to the monado, and Shulk is more fitting a tank role, like Reyn. As for Rex, he fights like Morág and is missing his left eye, the same eye as the eye of shining justice
@RedTheWeeb He means how the chat keep feeding him wrong theories or how Alpha barely understood aspects of the trailer. Like how Matthew is N's great grandson and not his son, how Glimmer is Pyra and Rex's daughter and how Nikol is Shulk and Fiora's son.
"I wish they died at the end of 2, I think its cooler when characters die" Character death is one of the most difficult things to do in story telling. If Pyra and Mythra needlessly died at the end of 2, it would have felt really phoned in and ruined the ending.
Character death is only hard to do meaningfully. In fact, killing off a character meaninglessly is so easy that writers use it as a shortcut to evoke cheap emotion from their audience. That's why many people say that great authors can evoke sadness without describing death or trauma. Anyways, the whole point of reaching Elysium was for Pneuma to ask The Architect to kill her because of her regret for destroying Torna and her fear of doing it again. I think sacrificing herself to save the future world would've been a perfect way to wrap up her story. To me the whole game felt like it was leading up to Pneuma sacrificing herself for the world, so I was very upset when she got revived last minute for no narrative purpose. At the very least, they could've had her revive as Pneuma to show Pyra (Who was born of Mythra's regrets) and Mythra (Who sees Pyra as everything she is not and can not be) had accepted each other and fully become one. Then it at least would've rounded out their character arcs. But now that we know XC3 was planned during XC2's development, I wouldn't be surprised if they let Pyra and Mythra survive (and separate) only so they could have Rex dual wield the Aegis Swords in the DLC.
@@Snowstorm... I remember reading that they didn't kill them because "Rex already suffered a lot", and honestly I can get it, that ending is an emotional rollercoaster and I'm glad I can still smile with all those tears
@@Snowstorm... I read an excellent analysis long ago regarding the reason why it makes sense for Pyra and Mythra to be revived. Their sacrifice fake-out was meant to teach Rex that he couldn't do everything by himself. He wasted Vandham's sacrifice because he refused to run away, and his visions of Addam chastise him for trying to greedily protect everyone. This is so deep-set in his character that he still refused to abandon Pneuma by demanding Poppi to help him. It would undermine this arc because if they actually stayed dead, Rex truly did fail in trying to protect them, and it would cast doubt on whether he made the right choice to leave her. It also works in regards to Pyra and Mythra themselves. Their growth involved finding purpose in life, a place to belong, and the resolve to live even with the horrible power of being an Aegis. It would render their development futile if they die. The major theme of Xenoblade 2 is survival. Klaus trying to find a way to revive a dying world, Rex trying to find a way to live even with the world aging, and the Aegises alongside Torna finding a purpose to an unending life. Nihilism is the enemy, which was evident in Amalthus, Malos, and even Rex and Pyra/Mythra themselves. Our heroes surviving in every sense shows that they won.
@@infiltrate6807 Tbh the only parts of the DLC we don't really know is what the hell happened to Alvis (A?) and how Shulk and Rex got into Aionios. Everything else is pretty clear if you know the history of the City and the Founders.
Yeah. It took me multiple video essays to fully understand each game’s messages, hidden details, and how they all connect so perfectly and I was still confused a bit at FR’s trailer
I was surprised to know Alpha was a big Xenoblade fan until he proceeded to not understand a single part of the trailer Edit: Not saying he isn't a "real" Xenoblade fan, but I was less surprised when he seemed to have a very loose grasp on the lore
think he's more so just confused by everything. Like how he knew it was gonna be a prequel but forgot. He recognized klaus and the core crystals so he at least knows what he needs to. And chat is somewhat to blame feeding him some false info as well confusing him even more LOL
I don’t think he’s super fixated on the lore. He knows the games story, but I don’t think he’s piecing together every little thing or watching lore breakdowns. He just interprets whatever he plays and that’s probably the end of his train of thought. Maybe he reads some theories online.
To be fair xenoblade lore is pretty complicated so it's easy to get lost in it all. I understand xenoblade 1 and 2 pretty well but 3 is a whole other beast, I understand the metaphorical parts of it but I still really don't understand why the world's attempted to even merge in the first place, and what origin really was meant to be (like I think it was what was meant to bridge the 2 worlds together before moebius froze the world with it? Idk). Maybe the dlc will clear some things up though.
@@darcidious99 The worlds were originally one, so they were attempting to become one again but this would destroy everything living on both worlds. Origin was supposed to hold everyone’s soul and recreate the two worlds after the destruction. Basically it was gonna make it as if nothing ever happened with the merging. Like if two cars are headed towards a head on collision, origin removes the two drivers. After the crash happens, origin would make exact copies of the car and put the drivers back in, but this time they would be past the point where they crashed into each other making it look like they just passed each other. Origin was never meant to merge the two worlds or anything that’s just a misunderstanding many people have with it’s purpose
Tbh it took me a few watches until I noticed Riku cause Shulk's new arm is a little distracting. Now how he missed A straight up having a Monado and Alvis' core crystal is beyond me
for someone who really advocates for xenoblade in general he doesn't seem to have the best grasp on the lore edit: holy shit just put two and two together
Ghondor = N and M's Son A lot of people seem to be having trouble figuring this out, probably because Shulk and Rex are here, so to clarify some things I've noticed: Shulk, Rex and Riku are not part of the City originally like Mathew or Ghondor is-- originally they come from a Faction known as the Liberators. The Liberators have 3 confirmed members; Shulk, Rex, and Riku. None of these Members should be able to exist at this point in the timeline. Not only is Mathew the descendent of the last version of Noah, who became N, due to Ghondor's appearance we can presume somewhere around 100ish years have already passed, making it virtually impossible for either Shulk or Rex to be alive right now. Furthermore, we see the descendents of 3 characters, now all grown up: Nicole, Glimmer, and (as her name apparently is) Panacea. Panacea looks like Sharla, and has a weapon with the same design aesthetic as Reyn's Scrap Driver. We can thus presume that the reason why we don't see characters like Zeke or Dunban, or anyone else from the past games, is because they were the ones who made the original city with Nia and Melia, at the start of Aionious, and probably because of Alvis, our 3 known Liberators: Shulk, Rex and Riku, ended up somewhere further down the timeline than everyone else. Obviously, as can be concluded by most people, the biggest problem with this is that the descendents such as Nicole, Glimmer, and most notably Panacea are too young to be a Hundred years down the timeline. While Nicole and Glimmer can work because they could've just been trapped in the endless now-- Panacea is shown to be some kind of military leader for the City, meaning she's not part of the cycle. Obviously I have no idea why this is, but I can assume a few possibilities; She may have been in the cycle for a while before being freed by the City, or she could just be a more distant descendent of Sharla and Reyn, like a Grandchild or Great Grandchild. Unrelated note; at 5:55 anyone else notice where 'A' is at when she's talking? _Very Interesting_
Just to be clear, a lot of people "seem to be having trouble figuring this out" because this information was only released in Japan. Weird how people assume that text translated by a small group of people is common knowledge to the overall western community.
Is anybody else irrationally upset that they made *Shulk* a defender? Despite that quite literally going against his entire identity as a playable character in XC1?
@@GoopyGoopers Still, Shulk was always about not having aggro, getting off special effects from behind or the side, had the second lowest HP in the game. He's the furthest you can *get* from a tank. He'll they literally could have copied Noah into Shulk and it'd work perfectly fine cuz Noah's class is already basically Shulk
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The way he says "Just regular ass matthew" as if the name isn't still biblical in origin is hilarious to me.
Or that Noah is any more unique of a name.
chat dropping 23 million wrong pieces of information a second
I laughed out loud at “Glimmer is the third Aegis, not Alvis.”
@@iceolate4815 SO CLOSE
thats how the xenoblade community is as a whole before a big release
@@Diamoondust Nah chat just didn't know what the hell they were talking about.
@@jackjohnson8305 i know, but a lot of fans say random guesses or even educated guesses and then get proven wrong most of the time (alvis=ontos is one of the theories we got accurately tho)
I found it funny how Alpha didn't understood Matthew was not Noah at first, than someone in chat who didn't understood either misinformed him by saying that Matthew was Noah's son lmao.
Yeah
Matthew is presumably Noah’s, great grandson
To be fair, I played the game and never thought the possibility that Ghondor could be Noah's son as well and just thought that Matthew was the son that Noah abandons after Noah passes away and Ghondor adopted him
@@stardust8797 Yep
@@KaitoTheRamenBandit I can see someone drawing this conclusion, especially since the trailer doesn't explicitly estate he and Na'el are siblings (This is only said in the Bios shared on twitter and in the official site), otherwise this would probably be enough to clarify the situation.
Edit: Although now that I think about it, since their kid was already kinda grown up by the time of N and M's death, they could technically be hiding a younger sister existing somehow, and it would also make sense that Noah would warn someone from the City to come and take care of their child after his passing. So this interpretation could theoretically still be proven true, but who knows!
@@stardust8797 Matthew is going to be N and M's son
That entire trailer was really “oh wait uh a lot just happened”
How did he not notice A in any degree
One thing I noticed with both Shulk and Rex is that they take influence from their party members, Shulk has a prosthetic arm, that being his right, the same arm Dunban lost use of due to the monado, and Shulk is more fitting a tank role, like Reyn. As for Rex, he fights like Morág and is missing his left eye, the same eye as the eye of shining justice
He also dual wields like Vandahm
And cant forget Zeke’s Belts
I'd say shulks' role is closer to Dunban's as a dodge tank.
Chat just straight up lied about half the stuff in the trailer lol
"Glimmer is the third Aegis, not Alvis"
Bro who the fuck said that 😂
I am stuck on this live chat message its wrong in so many ways
This chat smh… like they called glimmer the 3rd aegis??? What
Media literacy is dead lmfaoo
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@RedTheWeeb He means how the chat keep feeding him wrong theories or how Alpha barely understood aspects of the trailer. Like how Matthew is N's great grandson and not his son, how Glimmer is Pyra and Rex's daughter and how Nikol is Shulk and Fiora's son.
"I wish they died at the end of 2, I think its cooler when characters die"
Character death is one of the most difficult things to do in story telling. If Pyra and Mythra needlessly died at the end of 2, it would have felt really phoned in and ruined the ending.
That's... quite literally what nearly happened. In fact, they did die, but were deus ex machina'd back into existence
Character death is only hard to do meaningfully. In fact, killing off a character meaninglessly is so easy that writers use it as a shortcut to evoke cheap emotion from their audience. That's why many people say that great authors can evoke sadness without describing death or trauma.
Anyways, the whole point of reaching Elysium was for Pneuma to ask The Architect to kill her because of her regret for destroying Torna and her fear of doing it again. I think sacrificing herself to save the future world would've been a perfect way to wrap up her story. To me the whole game felt like it was leading up to Pneuma sacrificing herself for the world, so I was very upset when she got revived last minute for no narrative purpose.
At the very least, they could've had her revive as Pneuma to show Pyra (Who was born of Mythra's regrets) and Mythra (Who sees Pyra as everything she is not and can not be) had accepted each other and fully become one. Then it at least would've rounded out their character arcs. But now that we know XC3 was planned during XC2's development, I wouldn't be surprised if they let Pyra and Mythra survive (and separate) only so they could have Rex dual wield the Aegis Swords in the DLC.
@@Snowstorm... I remember reading that they didn't kill them because "Rex already suffered a lot", and honestly I can get it, that ending is an emotional rollercoaster and I'm glad I can still smile with all those tears
@@Snowstorm... I read an excellent analysis long ago regarding the reason why it makes sense for Pyra and Mythra to be revived. Their sacrifice fake-out was meant to teach Rex that he couldn't do everything by himself. He wasted Vandham's sacrifice because he refused to run away, and his visions of Addam chastise him for trying to greedily protect everyone. This is so deep-set in his character that he still refused to abandon Pneuma by demanding Poppi to help him.
It would undermine this arc because if they actually stayed dead, Rex truly did fail in trying to protect them, and it would cast doubt on whether he made the right choice to leave her. It also works in regards to Pyra and Mythra themselves. Their growth involved finding purpose in life, a place to belong, and the resolve to live even with the horrible power of being an Aegis. It would render their development futile if they die.
The major theme of Xenoblade 2 is survival. Klaus trying to find a way to revive a dying world, Rex trying to find a way to live even with the world aging, and the Aegises alongside Torna finding a purpose to an unending life. Nihilism is the enemy, which was evident in Amalthus, Malos, and even Rex and Pyra/Mythra themselves. Our heroes surviving in every sense shows that they won.
I don't blame him too much for his confusion, Xenoblade is a complex story/timeline, especially when you're like him and can't focus on everything
I don’t think it’s that complex. It’s just a lot of stuff happens that details can be lost on people.
we also don’t know much about the dlc
@@infiltrate6807 Tbh the only parts of the DLC we don't really know is what the hell happened to Alvis (A?) and how Shulk and Rex got into Aionios. Everything else is pretty clear if you know the history of the City and the Founders.
Yeah. It took me multiple video essays to fully understand each game’s messages, hidden details, and how they all connect so perfectly and I was still confused a bit at FR’s trailer
I love how he didn't acknowledge Riku at all
My goat
I only noticed him after my third rewatch
I was surprised to know Alpha was a big Xenoblade fan until he proceeded to not understand a single part of the trailer
Edit: Not saying he isn't a "real" Xenoblade fan, but I was less surprised when he seemed to have a very loose grasp on the lore
think he's more so just confused by everything. Like how he knew it was gonna be a prequel but forgot. He recognized klaus and the core crystals so he at least knows what he needs to. And chat is somewhat to blame feeding him some false info as well confusing him even more LOL
I don’t think he’s super fixated on the lore. He knows the games story, but I don’t think he’s piecing together every little thing or watching lore breakdowns. He just interprets whatever he plays and that’s probably the end of his train of thought. Maybe he reads some theories online.
To be fair xenoblade lore is pretty complicated so it's easy to get lost in it all. I understand xenoblade 1 and 2 pretty well but 3 is a whole other beast, I understand the metaphorical parts of it but I still really don't understand why the world's attempted to even merge in the first place, and what origin really was meant to be (like I think it was what was meant to bridge the 2 worlds together before moebius froze the world with it? Idk). Maybe the dlc will clear some things up though.
@@darcidious99 The worlds were originally one, so they were attempting to become one again but this would destroy everything living on both worlds. Origin was supposed to hold everyone’s soul and recreate the two worlds after the destruction. Basically it was gonna make it as if nothing ever happened with the merging. Like if two cars are headed towards a head on collision, origin removes the two drivers. After the crash happens, origin would make exact copies of the car and put the drivers back in, but this time they would be past the point where they crashed into each other making it look like they just passed each other. Origin was never meant to merge the two worlds or anything that’s just a misunderstanding many people have with it’s purpose
@@anthonynguyen1289 OOOOOOOOOH ok see that makes a lot more sense given that comparison
My name is Matthew and I couldn’t be happier
Bruh really said it was Noah with a scar 😂😂
the absolute no reaction at all about fucking Riku there is just astonishing to me
I missed him the first time, too. I mean, it's in frame for a second, and Shulk is also right there.
Tbh it took me a few watches until I noticed Riku cause Shulk's new arm is a little distracting. Now how he missed A straight up having a Monado and Alvis' core crystal is beyond me
chat spreading misinformation 🙃
Also there's no way that could have been Lora since she's been Dead since the ending events of torna
Have you watched "Pikmin Hybrids"? Pikminfans are talking aboutthat video. (Don't forget about the special offer the writerleft in the description.)
for someone who really advocates for xenoblade in general he doesn't seem to have the best grasp on the lore
edit: holy shit just put two and two together
Ghondor = N and M's Son
A lot of people seem to be having trouble figuring this out, probably because Shulk and Rex are here, so to clarify some things I've noticed: Shulk, Rex and Riku are not part of the City originally like Mathew or Ghondor is-- originally they come from a Faction known as the Liberators. The Liberators have 3 confirmed members; Shulk, Rex, and Riku. None of these Members should be able to exist at this point in the timeline.
Not only is Mathew the descendent of the last version of Noah, who became N, due to Ghondor's appearance we can presume somewhere around 100ish years have already passed, making it virtually impossible for either Shulk or Rex to be alive right now. Furthermore, we see the descendents of 3 characters, now all grown up: Nicole, Glimmer, and (as her name apparently is) Panacea. Panacea looks like Sharla, and has a weapon with the same design aesthetic as Reyn's Scrap Driver.
We can thus presume that the reason why we don't see characters like Zeke or Dunban, or anyone else from the past games, is because they were the ones who made the original city with Nia and Melia, at the start of Aionious, and probably because of Alvis, our 3 known Liberators: Shulk, Rex and Riku, ended up somewhere further down the timeline than everyone else.
Obviously, as can be concluded by most people, the biggest problem with this is that the descendents such as Nicole, Glimmer, and most notably Panacea are too young to be a Hundred years down the timeline. While Nicole and Glimmer can work because they could've just been trapped in the endless now-- Panacea is shown to be some kind of military leader for the City, meaning she's not part of the cycle. Obviously I have no idea why this is, but I can assume a few possibilities; She may have been in the cycle for a while before being freed by the City, or she could just be a more distant descendent of Sharla and Reyn, like a Grandchild or Great Grandchild.
Unrelated note; at 5:55 anyone else notice where 'A' is at when she's talking? _Very Interesting_
I don't get where A is wait
Just to be clear, a lot of people "seem to be having trouble figuring this out" because this information was only released in Japan. Weird how people assume that text translated by a small group of people is common knowledge to the overall western community.
@@Snowstorm... sorry for being pretentious.
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Is anybody else irrationally upset that they made *Shulk* a defender? Despite that quite literally going against his entire identity as a playable character in XC1?
He probably got trained by Dunban later on, leading him to take on a defender role like Dunban.
@@GoopyGoopers Still, Shulk was always about not having aggro, getting off special effects from behind or the side, had the second lowest HP in the game. He's the furthest you can *get* from a tank. He'll they literally could have copied Noah into Shulk and it'd work perfectly fine cuz Noah's class is already basically Shulk
He uses a defender moveset in xc2 lol
@@AkatsukiAyano Dont even get me started on XC2
@@fluffyeevee383 xc2 best game let's gooo