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- An interview with Mark who ran the tactical operations center during hurricane Helene relief efforts. Interview includes the story of how a Baofeng UV5R helped save Little Germany.
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The whole thing about the repeater being turned back over for regular use is, for the most part the emergency was over. The sheriff had his men in here with us, food and water was coming by helicopter and none of our homes were damaged. For the most part except for being cut off from the rest of the world, we a were just inconvenienced. No electricity, no water, no cell service, no communication except for Ham. I can’t thank the Repeater owner enough, they had to carry LP on their backs up the mountain to keep it going. I’m not one sided on this, I am also very thankful to Mark and Grindstone for what they did as well. After 10 days on the radios I was exhausted and appreciated them sending in someone to relieve me. They also sent in medical teams to keep everyone healthy. I would just rather Praise everyone involved and realize everyone also had short comings. Learn from those and do better next time!
why would a local ham jam the relief workers? sounds like some idiots just wanted to ragchew, and would rather the volunteer relief organization not be there helping people. why not just communicate to Grindstone that the repeater maintenance needed help with batteries/genset/solar/LP, or even just net control with their input?
Thank you for these interviews, Jason! You have some of the best coverage of how radio was used in the Helene response. Honored to have had the chance to send some gear to help these guys. That was one of our D578s made it into Little Germany via UTV.
A big thanks to @_RadioMadeEasy for all of their equipment donations and support!
@@_RadioMadeEasy yes I've got radios in Little Germany I got a phone call from the sheriff today that it happened and he said that he needed help getting communication to Little Germany and I called Rollo I told him what I was going to do and he gave me approval so I packed up three radios and my go box box and went to the sene I gave the three radios to the sheriff to fly into little Germany and will you communicated with them on the ham radios. There was some questions about people not being allowed to use the ham radio the other emergencies and that is a lie. Preacher Murdoch can't tell you that he used a ham radio no problem up there with no license because it was an emergency until it was no longer an emergency after several days and it was deemed accessible by cell phones and we had two SWAT team members rotating in and out with other SWAT team members 24/7. They had a one-lane road the forestry service was cutting another road in so little Germany was in pretty good shape. The repeater went back into normal operational use. Whenever it was no longer deemed an emergency and these guys was just using it for logistics. They was informed if they had priority for emergency traffic let it be known and take over the repeater it is nothing like it is being portrayed. Any of the local people around here that uses that repeater knows priority traffic comes first
I met Mark at the WCSO EOC. He and ALL the Grindstone folks were absolutely wonderful. Consummate professionals all around. This organization was a blessing from God to everyone in Washington County.
Good video guys I was one of the first ham radio operators on the scene I was there under direction of sheriff of Washington county who stated that he had an emergency and no communications and asked me if I could help after I determined that it was an emergency I gathered up some baofeng radios I'm talking about to him and had him to take the radios up to little Germany via Blackhawk helicopter and we use them communicating with Gordon shell and myself and Terry and we would lays on messages from Little Germany to the sheriff and the sheriff will gather the supplies and put them on the Blackhawk helicopter and have them flown in. After 5 days and the emergency was no longer there then we determined that it was more logistics and we return to repeater which is probably owned and the man let us use the repeater for 5 days no questions asked because it was an emergency and he let his shoes that nobody ever asked permission to actually use that repeater for that job.amateur radio operators can build antennas that will work outside of a building in the tent outside that they had set up the had a nice little awning set up outside of the fellowship hall there at the church I visited myself.. so a couple vertical antennas and some VHF radios
And some good powerful mobile radios and we could have went simplex from Little Germany down to that church. And as far as I know right now little Germany was tickled to death with how the way things went communication wise between us the sheriff's office and Little Germany no problems on her end of it so there you have it.
You did great work, Randall. Thank you for stepping up when the community needed it most.
@InTheDispersion thank you I made some good friends
Thanks Mark! It was great working with you. Josh
The takeaway: Every club needs to build portable APRS nodes, crossband repeaters (no duplexer needed) and GMRS repeaters which can run off solar battery power and be deployed on fiberglass military surplus poles with guy ropes. Imagine being able to fill any comms gap with 5 to 10 mile coverage using a portable repeater on V/U or GMRS.
Thank you Jason for this video. It really communicates the humanity behind Ham Radio. Too often the tech becomes the focus, when it is people who are pushing radio forward. Please keep these videos coming as they serve a larger purpose. Cheers -73
I have deleted my only comment on this one - I need to do some soul searching before opening my trap. Thank you again Jason for the continued coverage and lessons learned. The scramble for Coax is one that will stick with me.73, Dave
Fantastic interview guys!! Very educational for the "non-techy" person here:) Great insight to the importance of the logistics in a true emergency; and how to better support people doing the important logistics in an emergency. Thank you both so much for this - and thank you Mark for all you do! You are a true rockstar, Brother!!
Great recap of this harrowing experience. So impressed with all the HAM’s that positively supported communication. I listened whenever I could to the Mt Michell repeater. Listening to the NET traffic and management was so inspiring to me as a newer HAM.
Thank you for showing the world how HAM radio can support emergency situations ❤. You are heroes ❤
Thanks Mark! It was great working with you!
Thank You for posting this video. I shared this with our (Salvation Army) EDS director here in BC. The Vancouver area really hasn't had any incident lite this.
Thanks Don for that, I have been meaning to reach out to VECTOR and get involved. 73 VA7AYG
Awesome video! Thank you so much. This was eye opening. Thanks to all who volunteered! You guys are a blessing.
Jason, Thank you for this. Going through and documenting lessons learned, What worked and what didn't and how to improve will probably save time and lives in the future. Additionally getting this story out helps people understand the importance of this hobby. Thanks again for all you do for the hobby! 73
Jason that was so great ! That interview gave great information . Glad that GMRS and FRS was being used as well . sometimes UHF gets threw better and sometimes VHF gets threw better. Radio gets threw when so much fails. I have hurd in some areas MURS and CB was used as well . 73
Thanks for this interview, it is extremely useful. This is obviously a really important event which should be used to educate anyone involved in amateur radio emergency communications. Marvin, ACS EC, Bruce County, Ontario, Canada. Congratulations and two thumbs up to all those who volunteered during this event.
Thank you for your service and ministry and thank you both for this great informative visit! I just got my GMRS in my Radio should be here within a week. I have a lot to learn!
Awesome interview, lots of great info.
I would love to see, as a result of the recent disasters, several FCC rule changes:
NUMBER ONE, if you are running a repeater on the public / amateur frequencies, during a disaster, it needs to be run under emergency rules, or taken off the air. In this case, with LEOs and Emergency Services handing out radios to anyone, those users need to be accommodated.
NUMBER TWO, if you don't want to let non-locals / non-hams use your equipment, take it down.
Amateurs have, since the beginning, been there to HELP with comms outtages.
I am currently building several 'plug-n-play' systems to do APRS & Digipeater. I have a mobile that can act as an analog repeater. I. too, live in 'tornado alley', and suffer from ice storm and blizzard caused power outages, but hope to never have to go through what these people have responded to. As an Amateur, I am ready to, if nothing else, support my community with hardware and expertise.
Great interview. Sad hams abound. Guess he wasn’t actually interested in people being helped. Hopefully the jammer was reported. I’m sure you know the call sign. We had positive radio experiences in Saluda, NC during Prepper Camp. There are so many amazing stories.
Mark is an awesome guy and proud to know him!
You're a gangster, Brother. Bless you and Evan for all of your support to Grindstone Ministries and the Jonesborough community!
Great interview. There is a lot of great experience that we can learn from. I've been watching a lot of these after action type reviews. Great to hear that AmRRON and other organizations and just other hams were jumping in to help out.
@@TangoOscarMikeN3WS thanks Tom
Great interview. Lots of invaluable information that we can all learn from. 👍
Thanks for the important information. It taught me where I need to work on my skills.
Another good interview with someone that has lived through real times. I posted this on our Sumner Ready Band sight hoping that all our GMRS people will take a look at it. I think that Mr.Livesay has some soul searching to do. He was not personally affected where he lived, but that is no excuse for wanting to withhold use vital equipment.
The rough times was the first six days that I spent there when there was no communications except for the walkie-talkies that I sent up there under the direction of the sheriff of Washington county. And what you got to use the K4LNS repeater as long as it was an emergency but when the communications was restored and there was a one-Lane road to little Germany and the forest service cutting the second road in and all the powers to be deemed it no longer emergency the ham radio operators that was their packed up their equipment. And left what was allowed to use the repeater as long as it was an emergency and we was not directing traffic over the air. Which I heard a lot of on my mobile unit because I do not live too far from there. Any good amateur radio operator knows how to build VHF UHF I can build them with speaker wires. Or any kind of wire I can get my hands on. HF radios only work when the bands are open is the bands are not open then you are wasting your time trying to talk on HF without a thousand Watts
And Mr Lindsey rushed propane up to the repeater site to get it back in operation when it was really an emergency. But after the 5th or 6th day when will you have communications with little Germany Little Germany had cell phone usage Little Germany had a one-lane road. There was no longer an emergency. Little Germany had everything they needed. Mr Lindsey. What is the community live with Mr Lindsay unthank a lot of him providing us with a good repeater system that he takes care of on his own dime and time I really appreciate what he is doing for his community providing the repeater system for us. Along with about 150 amateur radio users that use the repeater system. What would have happened if we went in and there was no repeaters system. Mr Lindsay I just relocated that repeater to where it was at off of holston mountain and if he had not done that there would have been no repeater there. There would have been no radio communications the first six days when it was an emergency had he not relocated his Tower
Awesome!! Thanks for sharing what the ministry was able to accomplish. I’m just over the ridge from Poplar and Grindstone was delivering gas to pigeon roost if I’m not mistaken… much appreciated.
I communicated with your guys at poplar on the amrron freq.
Great humanitarian story from unexpected disaster zone. Thanks for sharing for all to learn to be prepared. This situation made me think to build another APRS repeater for mobile deployment. Thanks Jason for years of instructional videos on APRS-Winlink on RPI and x86 platforms. 73 Linux is awesome.
I like to keep a couple dozen or so Baofeng's on hand for my preparedness group, all preprogrammed, some for MURS/FRS, some for HAM, some for GMRS. Also I keep a small solar set up just for recharging those batteries and a gas gen for the fridge. It makes a huge difference during emergencies. Even used them for hauling supplies and evaccing family from WNC til the roads are fixed to go home.
Great work people. Thanks
This was a great video Jason. Thank you.
I wonder if AmRROn, or other groups that are providing emergency coms in such situations, could set up a field repeater of their own to communicate with the pack mules, chainsaw crews, etc... . That way they aren't relying on a repeater that could be shut down by a sad ham because the ham doesn't think it's a dire enough situation.
That is what really should happen have some kind of mobile repeater system that they could take around to these places you cannot rely on people having repeaters when you go out to a place that has been destroyed a tornado or something could destroy your towers in a locality which k4l ns did have one of his repeaters destroyed by a fallen tree
Something our crew is considering.
@@tbmpetsolutionsthe only real problem with that is finding a frequency that is available for repeater use that is not already been used. All of the repeater pairs for VHF has been used.
considering each amrron operator provides their own equipment , there is no "central supply" and while forking over a few hundred dollars for a mountain top repeater sounds like a good idea for someone in Tennessee, makes no sense to spend money for someone in Ohio
I thought about this. The military has these pull behind units that have a hydraulic telescopic antenna. There's some civilian options for quick deploy mobile antennas. Pretty pricey but might be worth it
Great job as always Jason, thank you Gentlemen for doing this video, and thank you to those that were hands on for this tragic emergency. After action reporting saves lives, and this is needed information. Just wondering, if there were a training opportunity with this knowledge learned, it could provide a platform for learning in advance of whatever the next large scale emergency may be. All of the digital modes that may have made this event easier to work and not to have to rely so heavily on one repeater could perhaps make everyone's lives easier. It sure would be great if equipment manufacturers could build this technology into affordable radio equipment, and not just the more expensive equipment that a lot of people cannot afford or are unwilling to invest in to carry out in the field. An online training course (recorded) using this after action reporting, would be something I feel a lot of people would participate in and greatly appreciate. Are you aware of one that could take participants through the process step by step? I know you have a lot of excellent informative videos, and a step by step guide would be amazing. Thank you Jason for what you do. Excellent video.
Sure would love to hear K4LNS's side of the conversation before I issue my LID of the Century Award.
As far as part of the K4LNS repeater system the sheriff of Washington county got a hold of me and told me he was having troubles communicating with the town of Little Germany and asked me if I could help so I gathered up three radios to send in to Little Germany and he sent them in three of them can we set up a command station with the sheriff station and we worked as liaisons between the sheriff and Gordon shell up on the mountain who is a licensed ham radio operator we worked for a week and got the emergency part of it over with and then the rest of it was logistics after it was no longer an emergency we talked to everybody involved we then begin to turn the repeater system back over to normal an amateur radio operation. And the only thing left was logistics and we cannot shut the repeater down for just the logistics we done everything by the book. Rolo is really to be commanded because when the repeater system went down because of the loss of powerfirst we lost TVA power then it switched over to the generator and then a generator run out of propane and rolo made a special trip up on the mountain to take propane up there to get it back on air during the emergency.
What's LID mean?
Please read my reply. This is Gordon and I was there.
I would highly encourage you to let the AARL , Hamfest and HamCation know that the relief efforts and related topics need to be front and center of their events next year. It would be a massive missed opportunity if they don’t.
It would actually be insulting if they don’t strongly integrate relief effort communications, recognize those that participated, improved the emergency communication culture, etc.
if it doesn’t happen now, I don’t know that the community should support them.
Just saying.
Excellent Hot Wash. I've sent this to our local Ham guys. I have a base and hand held radios, now need to look at license, and GMRS for our TOC here. Thanks again
My comms team was deployed to Bakersville N.C. FOB.
We were fortunate to have use of a local ham club repeater.
The trustee and club members were very considerate of our situation.
One thing we could have done differently and will, in the future, add to our deployment tools will be tactical repeaters for remote operations.
There are always sad hams going Karen mode. We have many here too. Kudos from Panama. Great video with a lot to learn from. Appreciate both of you.
Thanks!
This is why the tech class, that makes up half of the licensed hams need more access to the HF bands. If I can use 10 meters, I can use 20,40 and 80. On the digital modes. Js8 call is the mode for this.
Upgrade your license. It is easy to do if my dumb butt can do it anybody can.lol
Unfortunate that the repeater operator couldn't have been a little more patient and concerned about his neighbors. Yes, it's his repeater and his right. Glad a work around was found.
The emergency part of this was over that is what is not being disclosed here I worked for 6 days down there I was one of the first ham radio operators on the scene about 4 days ahead of grindstone ministries I was there the day the sheriff of this county called and asked me if I could establish ham radio communications and I called the repeater trustee and he told me to do whatever I needed to do it was an emergency situation. Show me insurance Sexton did it we sent three baofeng radios into little Germany and we had a gold box so that we can talk to Gordon open Little Germany and there was a couple other guys that was not licensed that also had radios and use them as needed the power went down on the repeater and I called the repeater owner and he went and got propane to get the generators back up so he was more than helpful people who was not even there judging this guy. After the emergency was gone yes he did want to return the repeater back to normal use but he told everybody to yield to emergency traffic. I was there I know what happened. So God bless the trustee and thank him for the repeater that we continue to use.
DMR repeater availability could help in so many ways as a standalone (no internet) or “tethered” to a Starlink Mini. Two talk channels on one frequency, messaging as well, “cleaner” audio transmissions. Not the end all but certainly has advantages. Like anything else, it needs to be in “the plan” of those rolling into an impact area and well rehearsed.
Great interview. Makes me want to get an emergency repeater to have as back up should a Trustee not be happy.
wouldn't be a bad idea at all. a simple GMRS repeater from retevis can be had for less than $400
The only problem with that is finding a frequency that you can use that is not already been taken buy some local
I would like hear the personal bug out that yall pack up to go on a mission like Helene?
@@randallsimpson8546 Understood. I figure a call to the Frequency Coordinator for the area would be in order. Just thinking of options.....
Also for the also for the comment about the jammer we have been dealing with the jammer on this repeater for years and we are in the process of tracking him down he goes to all of the local repeaters and starts to jamming. There was nothing malicious with grindstone ministries so do not try to pull that card!
Great lessons learned
This was great! do you mind coming up and creating a quick and dirty plan like this as well as a best case scenario using the information that this person told you of what happened a little Germany for future comms people?
I'm one of the many people who has gotten his ticket, even a general but don't use it all that often and would like to have enough working knowledge but I'm not going to totally nerd out into him radio.
Not ideal, but where I'm at in life with a family and all the other responsibilities I have.
Again, really great interview and I'd love to hear your expert follow up on this!
great information
Because instead of beating people down we should be getting together and comparing notes and figuring out what we could do to make it work better next time instead of beating people down and name calling God said for us to love one another and to help each other not to trash talk them. I'm sorry I did not get a copy of the book that says what to do when a hurricane hits Northeast Tennessee
We are blessed to have good people that would insert themselves in dangerous and uncertain situations in the name of helping their fellow man. People that step up and give their all to complete strangers. It really is honorable.
And then there are self-important trustees that can't share their precious repeater for more than 5 days. If the emergency was over, then why were there still volunteers working every day? People without power, water, electricity, internet, and most roads blocked or destroyed. But K4LNS had given enough. Apparently Tim needed his repeater back for more important things. Pathetic
VOAD - Volunteer Organizations Active in Disaster
Well to keep it simple all the local people that was involved even the people and Little Germany and surrounding areas was very happy with the way the things went with the emergency communications between Little Germany the sheriff's office and the amateur radio operators. With that being said the locals are happy and then the other people drives away and make TH-cam videos about how things should have went. All of the emergencies was already took care of by the sheriff's and local ham radio operators and the people of little Germany.
I was there right after the first bridge fell. I am actually from the area and the sheriff called me and said he needed an emergency communications and we provided it with the help of Rollo K4LNS.
What a fantastic story, Gordon using a 5 watt $18.00 Baofeng handi talki being there in Little Germany and able to make emergency calls from this damaged enclave and saving a community with the help of Terry getting the authorities to get a helicopter to airlift the women and children out of this flood ravaged situation. Evan at Radio Made Easy supplied the emergency operators who were not professionals with a high power VHF radio. It’s unfortunate that there were persons who could not comprehend the devastation of a hurricane and the desperation’s of humans needing to communicate their life saving needs. The person jamming the frequency and others who would not cooperate with the use of the repeater were reprehensible and obviously not appreciative of human life, limb or even property. How insensitive ! It is my hope that a documentary is made of this scenario so that the general public will become even more appreciative of the power of amateur communications and the GMRS system. Thank you immensely for this video. Everyone owning a radio should view it.
Very amazing video, The sad hams (Hall Monitors) need to feel the repercussions of their disdain for their fellow man that is in dire straights. Life saving is what emergency comms is all about, God help that these a**holes don't get to do their daily griping about their aches and pains. Karma is a Bi**h!
Really interesting and informative
Thanks for another great interview. That repeater owner must be one of those real life examples of a Sad Ham I've been hearing about.
No the repeater owner let us use it for 5 days until the emergency was over and I had communications to Little Germany they had two sheriff's deputy stationed there with communications 24/7 and the repeater owner does the out of his own pocket for the local community but after the 5 days of emergency was over he thought it was time to turn it back over to regular ham radio operations instead of logistics
@randallsimpson8546 thanks for clarifying
What is the amram he is talking about? I would like to research that.
I’m more focused on em comm with my whole radio journey. With a back ground of sar the amram sounds like some good information, classes to get involved with.
google amrron
AmRRON is an amazing group of radio operators that routinely trains for emergency communications.
@ thank you for the correct spelling I will research that. I’m apart of a sar team but any expand my range of communication to a team like that.
@@KM4ACK thank you sir. I was talking on your local repeater earlier today. I just live about 80 miles to east of you. You have Some friendly people down that way
I got a question myself what happens if they roll up into a place that has got completely wiped out how did they establish communications if they do not have a repeater in that area if they are in a mountainous area and there is no repeaters how would they establish communications with them? Asking for a friend
Thanks for this KQ4MDM
Anyone can set up GMRS repeaters but like he said "Topography!" and GMRS can not be linked (with any network)and the FCC is actively breaking those that exist up as I type.
Limited access to star links etc...I am thinking 6 meter band maybe. Seriously ramping up my future radio purchases.
@@dianetaylor6751 we have gmrs repeaters here in the Jonesboro area and the Elizabethton Tennessee area that has a large large footprint of probably about 50-60 mile
If you go to 200 Little Germany Rd, Erwin, TN and then use street view, you will see why this community was cut off by flooding.
Great interview. was a little confused by one acronym being used "AMRON" ??? Sounds like ARES group or something similar.
google amrron
It was said that Helene dropped 40 Trillion gallons of water.
Why was little Germany worried about looting if the road in was gone? That makes no sense.
It is really really easy to sit back and do armchair quarterback and after everything is over and done. 5 days and the emergency part of it was over and I am a general class operator rolo is a extra class. But it is really easy to sit back and say what you would do afterwards.
Gotta ask what your dog breed is. I have a Poodle Cross, is he a cross ? WOW ! I'll bet you won't be a Tech for long after this ! , work on that !
Thank you for all this information I will try to use this in my preparedness practices. Love thy neighbor. KK7PZB.