@@shagstars I know D.R.I., I am old enough for that (44yo). Their style has been described as "Crossover Thrash". The Exploited - Beat the Bastards, releases in 1996, was also considered as "Crossover Thrash". I also like the old stuff of The Exploited, when they were "Street Punk" and "UK82".
It's more like an evolution of "thrashcore', starting with DRI, then stuff like Septic Death, Siege, Electro Hippies, etc. Although most early grindcore bands were "Crust Punk" first, feels weird to have it in that equation . I mean, how can Amebix and Extreme Noise Terror be in the same subgenre, right?
Metalcore is if metal and hardcore had a child. Grindcore is if Metal and Hardcore were isolated in a cabin in the middle of the mountains, and 6 generations later, their incestuous offspring got radicalized on Reddit.
Best way to think about Grindcore is to think Punk and Metal had a child together and neither of them wants nothing to do with said problem child that inherited the worst qualities of both...And yes I do mean this analogy as a *positive* one of grindcore.
so then metalcore is the stepbrother and the child of its mothers (hcpunk) embarrassing affair with pop music and tries to get accepted by its stepfather (metal) by annoyingly identifying as a son of metal lol
@@sausagewater484nooooot really "metalcore" in its original form came about in the late 80s and early 90s with bands like Judge, Earth Crisis, Ringworm, and Integrity that took the slower, heavier, and grittier styles of hardcore punk and mixed in thrash & first wave black metal, even occasionally death metal (this would be the earliest incarnations of "deathcore"), what you're referring to is what happened when hardcore punk started falling by the wayside in popularity behind pop punk and metal became so marginalized in the popular music space that only melodic death metal and extremely flowery power metal were making it through to the MySpace generation as "relevant"
They r pretty much the same thing if we account the late 80s bands like extreme noise terror and napalm death. It reminds me of thrashcore/crossover thrash ...what these differences even mean in the end?!?!
@@nikhtzatziCrossover Thrash is Thrash Metal+hardcore punk Trashcore/fastcore is literally just faster Hardcore Punk Powerviolence is more agressive and faster Hardcore Punk with even more distortion and more extreme vocal but without metal influences Grindcore just like Powerviolence but WITH METAL INFLUENCES while still being more punk than metal
@@nikhtzatzinot the same thing. Grind does not use time signature and tempo changes like powerviolence, also pv vocalists approach the style differently. You won't hear a performance like No Comment's Downsided on a grindcore record
Hardcore subgenres take from metal and metal subgenres take from hardcore. The majority of both was influenced by the other, or even a lot of music that we call "metal" actually evolved not from metal at all, but was called metal only because of the dark satanic aesthetic associated with it (e.g. black metal literally grew out of punk and only later on evolved into stuff that could be called metal when newer waves starting mixing black metal with actual metal influences), or even thrash metal is literally a mix of heavy metal and hardcore (especially the rhythmics of thrash are taken grom hc/punk) and so on. Nothing about modern music genres existed in a bubble and you can't entirely separate metal and hardcore, there is more overlap between them than what could be considered "pure" either in all of existence.
@@TimmyTurner421pretty sure dm existed first. Scum was released in 87 and is generally considered the first grindcore album, while Possessed’s Seven Churches was released in 85, and that’s the first death metal album. And Jeff from Possessed coined the term “death metal” as early as 1983
This video is very authentic not only in terms of content but also in terms of design. ;D I love the "underground feel" this video has. ;D Really well done! 👍
I used to absolutely _love_ Blood Duster - but those dudes are metalheads that came at it from that angle. They mixed in some old school rock n roll and that's what they went with. Mind you, most of the longer songs on their records aren't grindcore at all, but they'd be surrounded by a heap of 1 to 2 minute grind tracks. Another cool Aussie grind band is Fuck I'm Dead
Grindcore is the perfect example of genre not being a linear progression. it comes from Hardcore Punk, but with enough influence from Thrash and Death Metal that it's at times hard to recognize as a subgenre of Punk. Black Metal did the same from the other side, picking up D-Beats and DIY attitude from 80s Hardcore and incorporating that into a darker take on European Thrash.
napalm death were influenced by metal even on their first album, before they called themselves grindcore they called themselves thrashcore not crust punk
People tend to forget how much punk and metal were on speaking terms in the early 80s. There was a lot of back-and-forth cross-pollination going on. Thrash, and by extension early black metal were informed by hardcore and D-beat.. and Discharge were kind of rejected by the punk scene and ended up turning into a kind of shitty metal band for a while.
how to grindcore: 1.) forget everything you know 2.) look at the news and get _amgery_ 3.) grab the first instrument you find in a rehersal room 4.) be _amgery_ but with the instrument 5.) prof... no wait, its grindcore :)
Not every genre ending in "core" is related to punk. There are also electronic music genres like the electronic genre called "hardcore", happy hardcore, breakcore etc.
I always found it funny how people say that grindcore is not really related to metal but to a punk yet if you go to a grindcore show you will see mainly metalheads and basically no punks. I also played some grindcore for my punk friends and told them that it is a music closely related to punk, they laughed and said that they hear no punk in it and that it sounds like metal. So even though I can clearly hear some punk influence, after some 15 years on the scene nobody can persuade me into thinking that grindcore is not part of the metal genres. Also it does not matter now that you have festivals and shows where metal and grindcore and hardcore bands are sharing stage, it might have been important in a distant past when hardcore fans and metal fans did not like each other but those days are loooooooong gone.
I have heard and witness the opposite. People who are into rougher and faster side of hardcore punk, crust, etc usually tend to vibe with grindcore more and are more down with it, while people mainly into metal cannot for the most part endure the punk simplicity and primitive barbarism of grindcore. That's not universal though, just my observation. Also people listening to grindcore for the most part also are often into hardcore punk/crust and usually don't tend to separate the two. Or maybe it's the particular scene: when I go to grindcore gigs here in Croatia, yes, there are some but not much long hairs in crowd, but for the most part, people attending grindcore shows in my experience are into more nastier side of punk. Still, I don't think grindcore without primarily punk influences works, it would be be more primitive death metal, for that alone, even though historically it's a crossover genre, I think punk part of the formula is much more important than the metal side of it, sonically, stylistically, ideologically...
@@iachtulhu1420 That is fascinating, maybe it depends on the country. I am from the Czech republic and I guess that our scene is kinda shaped by our two big extreme festivals, Brutal Assault which is mainly about metal but there are always bunch of grindcore bands and then you have Obscene Extreme which is mainly about grindcore but there are always couple of metal bands and maybe that is causing this unity of metal fans and grindcore and hardcore fans. Another thing worth mentioning is that we have very few hardcore/punk bands but we have buttloads of punk/rock bands so czech punks are generally into much softer music and that is probably the reason why majority of punks that I know hear no punk in grindcore.
Grind bands like ND and Carcass started picking up metal influences really early. It’s also hard to describe bands like Terrorizer as playing anything other than metal. I’ve also never really considered ENT or similar bands to be grind. Just really heavy d-beat. Anyway, I’m really glad to be too old to have to endure hours of derivative grind bands at local venues. I like the genre, but have seen enough.
ND stopped being pure grindcore around early 90s, but they have never lost this hardcore punk/post-punk/crust punk base from which they came. Even today, you can still hear all of those influences in their sound even though they brought many metallic elements and styles.
You're right, Grindcore is basically a mixture of the sound of Crust Punk (Antisect, Doom etc) with speed and brief songs of Thrashcore (Siege, early D.R.I. etc). In fact, nothing to do with Metal really (even if there's also Metal influences of course)
I've been a Grindcore fan for 20+ years, I always count it as metal, as most Punk fans wouldn't like it, but most extreme Metal fans probably would. It does have origins in Punk of course, but it also has origins in Metal too. Repulsion started as a Thrash band who added Punk to their music for example. I think it depends mostly on the band. Carcass is also more Metal than it is Punk, even though their earlier music was more Punk. Even Amebix who aren't grindcore, but "Crust" I would say are more metal than they are punk. If it has pig squeals and fringes it's poser Grindcore though...
@@Farvann I would definitely agree with people being people. I used to know a guy who was a "UK82/D-beat" punk in the 80's, but he liked some metal, and when Amebix came out all his punk friends hated it because it was "too metal", whereas he thought it was excellent. I do know a few metal heads who like punk but hate grindcore as well. I am a metal fan, so my bias is towards it being metal, but I also love punk, and punk was the first "alternative" music I liked when I was around 5 or 6, my brother is 7 years older than me and he liked 70's punk, so he got me into it, but he hates metal in general, and definitely hates grindcore. It's definitely a polarising genre that's for sure.
Extreme Noise Terror is so hard they are considered forefathers of grindcore and didn't even utilize blast beats in "Holocaust in Your Head". I encourage you to watch Napalm Death "Live Corruption" with the volume full blast. Listen to Terrorizer, Excruciating Terror, Insect Warfare and consider the cities they came from when the albums came out. Repulsion, Nashgul, Assük, Sore Throat. Glob, Deathtoll 80k, Trucido, Laughing Dog. All the best in your journey. ⚔️☠️⚔️
Great video! I stumbled into grindcore after spending my teens into hardcore and then powerviolence. Beyond the odd record here and there, I'd never been into metal, nor knew too much at all about it. So (while I totally see metal's critical and sizable presence in grindcore), it always felt a very punk/hardcore punk genre to me. I adore old skool mince, and to me that really feels (in sound and energy/culture) very punk indeed. I've been a grind type for maybe 25 years now... but I 've had to do a lot of learning about what 'metal' is! Grind led me to loving goregrind, gorenoise, mincegore, grindviolence, noisecore, etc... and I'm still not really connected to the rest of metal. Grind spectrum kind of feels like an extension of crustpunk to my (ill trained) ear, and I fucking love it!
I always felt grindcore to be closer to hardcore and it's funny how metal archives have accepted it but will reject most metalcore and deathcore. They're very selective about what is added. I have seen some metalcore on their site while rejecting others so they're not consistent about what they allow.
The mods on that site genuinely believe that Infant Annihilator's first 2 albums aren't metal, only their last one... I dont even need to explain how moronic that is, do I?
Highly accurate. I've always thought of grindcore as punk. Some of it is more metal influenced, but its still punk. Just punk pushed to its furthest extreme.
A friend of mine and the former guitarist from the world famous band Sadistic Emergency sad it that way: "In Grindcore every musician is absolutely virtuous with his instrument - rethoric pause - and then you just cycle through the instruments."
I don’t think Grindcore is Metal or Punk. I think Grind is a genre of its own imo, as Grind and it’s many sister subgenres are pretty much the Noise Not Music scene. Grindcore takes elements of Death Metal and Hardcore Punk, and just turns it up to 11 with the most absurdist way possible. With GoreGrind, DeathGrind, PornoGrind, ScatGrind, CyberGrind all coming out of that Grindcore genre. But there is a few genres with both Metal and Punk influences. * Thrash Metal was influenced by NWOBHM, early Speed Metal, and Punk. * Crossover Thrash being a fusion of Punk/Hardcore Punk and Thrash Metal. * Groove Metal has some New York Hardcore leanings, bands like Biohazard, Throwdown, Pro Pain, and Hatebreed all could be classed as Groove Metal, as Phil Anselmo was a big fan of New York Hardcore and Pantera had very strong New York Hardcore leanings. * Metalcore originally being a fusion of Melodic Death Metal and Hardcore Punk, but then Metalcore becomes like adjacent Post Hardcore with Metal influences. * Deathcore being a fusion of Death Metal and Metalcore. * Crust Punk is very influenced by Metal and has Metal leanings. But Metal and Hardcore become very blurred in places.
It can be said that grindcore is the conclusion of Metal and Punk hybrids, and being there are subgenres within grind called goregrind, grindgore, cybergrind, and arguably Powerviolence, Grindcore exists distinct within the Rock & Roll family as Metal is made distinct from Rock.
Sort of. I think the genre powerviolence is a better example of that Most bands play very tight while fcking with time signatures and tempos. Highly recommend the band No Comment and their EP Downsided if you've never heard the genre!
Oh, yes, absolutely. I mean, it's common knowledge that hacks like Dead Kennedys, Bad Brains, Fear, and Rich Kids on LSD were horrible musicians. I mean, just listen to their tight rhythm sections and shredding guitar players to hear just what I mean. Total amateur hour.
The myth that punk comes from people not having music skills was a weird marketing trick to get interest from the public in bands like pistols, damned and clash and their new york equivalents by the promoters flogging the product, it then lead to a bunch of regional copycat scenes which resulted in either crap party bands or gradually developing competent musicianship on the part of so called punks. American hardcore is even weirder because despite the fact that it was even more grass roots than 77 era punk the members of bands like bad brains and dead kennedys came from prog backgrounds. The idea of punk being unskilled comes from the fact that it was a minimalist music movement designed to counteract the mid 70's stadium rock scene which was exclusively populated by very high tier musicians. Waay too many early 80's hardcore bands were made by exceptional musicians, just minimalists instead of musically decadent and indulgent like prog starts were at the time. The real problem here is that long haired metal dudes literally too much of the time don't know a fucking THING about other genres of music, embarrassingly so the genres that influenced and shaped it into what extreme metal has been since the 80's. Just try minutemen, nomeansno, die kreuzen, articles of faith, the effigies, all are made by competent musicians.
There is definitely Death Metal influence in Grindcore. Punk/Hardcore/a seasoning of Death Metal. And if you want it to be more Metal than hardcore punk, Deathgrind is your answer.
IT'S SPEED :D
Old School Punk Rock -> Hardcore Punk -> UK82 -> Crust Punk -> Grindcore.
That was how grindcore was born.
I see it more like old school DM with Hardcore Punk/crossover. D.R.I is crossover btw which is thrash mixed with Hardcore punk 😂
@@shagstars I know D.R.I., I am old enough for that (44yo). Their style has been described as "Crossover Thrash". The Exploited - Beat the Bastards, releases in 1996, was also considered as "Crossover Thrash". I also like the old stuff of The Exploited, when they were "Street Punk" and "UK82".
@@ChuckyDoll79 the exploited of early 80s was fun yeah. Fuck the usa! 🤣
I thought it was from a cespool full of shit mixed with nuclear waste.
It's more like an evolution of "thrashcore', starting with DRI, then stuff like Septic Death, Siege, Electro Hippies, etc.
Although most early grindcore bands were "Crust Punk" first, feels weird to have it in that equation . I mean, how can Amebix and Extreme Noise Terror be in the same subgenre, right?
Metalcore is if metal and hardcore had a child.
Grindcore is if Metal and Hardcore were isolated in a cabin in the middle of the mountains, and 6 generations later, their incestuous offspring got radicalized on Reddit.
grindcore is if metalheads lived in an amazon warehouse
Redditurds are liberals, grindcore is anarchist and based
@SechsGrammCaratillo redditards come in many flavours lol
Grindcore is brutal death metal and punk’s ugly baby, and I love it.
I think the most important step to grindcore is to never shower
@@Farvann just the way it should be us crust heads and grindcore fans must stay trve to our roots
Well, I'm one step closer to grindcore then
Wrong, that is crust punk
@@viniciusfrattafritz grind is an offshoot of crust.
Punk>hardcore>crust>grind
Never heard the saying ''in grind we crust''?
Hey man we penny rolled the lights on, if you want running water go to Starbucks like a normal person
Best way to think about Grindcore is to think Punk and Metal had a child together and neither of them wants nothing to do with said problem child that inherited the worst qualities of both...And yes I do mean this analogy as a *positive* one of grindcore.
so then metalcore is the stepbrother and the child of its mothers (hcpunk) embarrassing affair with pop music and tries to get accepted by its stepfather (metal) by annoyingly identifying as a son of metal lol
@@sausagewater484sumed up perfectly
metalcore is the step child, DUR!!!@@sausagewater484
@@sausagewater484nooooot really
"metalcore" in its original form came about in the late 80s and early 90s with bands like Judge, Earth Crisis, Ringworm, and Integrity that took the slower, heavier, and grittier styles of hardcore punk and mixed in thrash & first wave black metal, even occasionally death metal (this would be the earliest incarnations of "deathcore"), what you're referring to is what happened when hardcore punk started falling by the wayside in popularity behind pop punk and metal became so marginalized in the popular music space that only melodic death metal and extremely flowery power metal were making it through to the MySpace generation as "relevant"
No Grindcore is loved by its parents
Its the siblings that are less loved😂
that said powerviolence now has more in common with punk than modern grindcore
powerviolence is the punk version of grindcore, grindcore is the metal version of powerviolence :P
They r pretty much the same thing if we account the late 80s bands like extreme noise terror and napalm death. It reminds me of thrashcore/crossover thrash ...what these differences even mean in the end?!?!
@@nikhtzatziCrossover Thrash is Thrash Metal+hardcore punk
Trashcore/fastcore is literally just faster Hardcore Punk
Powerviolence is more agressive and faster Hardcore Punk with even more distortion and more extreme vocal but without metal influences
Grindcore just like Powerviolence but WITH METAL INFLUENCES while still being more punk than metal
@@nikhtzatzinot the same thing. Grind does not use time signature and tempo changes like powerviolence, also pv vocalists approach the style differently. You won't hear a performance like No Comment's Downsided on a grindcore record
even though Grindcore is a subgenre of hardcore punk, i still think it takes a lot of influence from metal
OR the other way around! It's still not clear whether death metal or grindcore existed first
Hardcore subgenres take from metal and metal subgenres take from hardcore. The majority of both was influenced by the other, or even a lot of music that we call "metal" actually evolved not from metal at all, but was called metal only because of the dark satanic aesthetic associated with it (e.g. black metal literally grew out of punk and only later on evolved into stuff that could be called metal when newer waves starting mixing black metal with actual metal influences), or even thrash metal is literally a mix of heavy metal and hardcore (especially the rhythmics of thrash are taken grom hc/punk) and so on. Nothing about modern music genres existed in a bubble and you can't entirely separate metal and hardcore, there is more overlap between them than what could be considered "pure" either in all of existence.
@@TimmyTurner421pretty sure dm existed first. Scum was released in 87 and is generally considered the first grindcore album, while Possessed’s Seven Churches was released in 85, and that’s the first death metal album. And Jeff from Possessed coined the term “death metal” as early as 1983
No shit
Meh - I think there's more in common with crossover than metal.
I once attended to a local grindcore show and it was fukking 15 minutes of pure chaos. That was nice.
Went to a 3 days grindcore festival once. Best two hours of my life.
@@Bazelf That sounds awesome man! 🤣🤣
they played 85 songs
It's like a remake of your original grindcore tutorial
@@Farvann love this idea, hope to see more!!
@@Farvann is next week's video going to be a remake as well?
@@Farvann you're just as organised as me 😂
This video is very authentic not only in terms of content but also in terms of design. ;D I love the "underground feel" this video has. ;D Really well done! 👍
He posted it like five seconds ago......
@@Farvann Oh ok
@@themanonguitar3398 mere mortal, it's Octoman, he's always on time! Even when he's late!
I used to absolutely _love_ Blood Duster - but those dudes are metalheads that came at it from that angle. They mixed in some old school rock n roll and that's what they went with. Mind you, most of the longer songs on their records aren't grindcore at all, but they'd be surrounded by a heap of 1 to 2 minute grind tracks. Another cool Aussie grind band is Fuck I'm Dead
This song unintentionally increased shareholder value.
Meh. It's a little slow.
just a little slow!
And of course, too long.
Brutal Truth :)
Holy the video editing went from 100 to 1000!! Big fan of your videos and great video as always!! :D
Like the editing on this video
Two of my favorite genres are black metal and grindcore
And now one of the black metal TH-camrs I watch is talking about grindcore. Good shit.👍
War metal is a good combo of the two
@@Whocares1987 I definitely dig war metal.
Grindcore is the perfect example of genre not being a linear progression. it comes from Hardcore Punk, but with enough influence from Thrash and Death Metal that it's at times hard to recognize as a subgenre of Punk. Black Metal did the same from the other side, picking up D-Beats and DIY attitude from 80s Hardcore and incorporating that into a darker take on European Thrash.
GBH arent getting enough love man. They still tour and kick ass!
This guy is funny, he should create a TH-cam channel
Awesome to see you back! Love the editing on this video.
It’s not true grindcore unless it was recorded by a bunch of ketamine addicts in the basement of a warehouse
Why would a warehouse have a basement? For forklifts to fall into? Had a job?
@@FardtilUshid to do k in duh
I mean yeah I see a lot more punks at grindcore shows than metalheads
@@Farvannyes they like to have fun
Grind itself (like napalm death) is an extrem form of crust punk
Just like this comment is an extrem (sic) form of banal idiocy
@@8523wsxc maiby you are ignorant about early grind music
I've always seen Napalm Death as a form of metal. Guess I live eand learn. Anyway, I'm a metalhead and I love grindcore as well.
napalm death were influenced by metal even on their first album, before they called themselves grindcore they called themselves thrashcore not crust punk
@@cobgod1415 "hardcore punk". Read something more about them.
That was a groovy grindcore jam! Nice explanations \m/
People tend to forget how much punk and metal were on speaking terms in the early 80s. There was a lot of back-and-forth cross-pollination going on. Thrash, and by extension early black metal were informed by hardcore and D-beat.. and Discharge were kind of rejected by the punk scene and ended up turning into a kind of shitty metal band for a while.
3:40 it turned into a D.R.I. song
how to grindcore:
1.) forget everything you know
2.) look at the news and get _amgery_
3.) grab the first instrument you find in a rehersal room
4.) be _amgery_ but with the instrument
5.) prof... no wait, its grindcore :)
Cringe
@@ryan.1990 the word cringe is more cringe than anything else.
I only listen to music that makes me file assault charges after listening. This sounds right up my alley.
Babe wake up, Farvann uploaded
farvann stays in sex
grindcore takes from both. hardcore punk and metal (eraly thrash, later death)
Exactly this dude is trippin
"Bathory is a mix of Black Sabbath, Motörhead and GBH" Quorthon
Therefore Black Metal is a subgenre of Hardcore Punk
Great job man! This was cool. I guess you noticed our tent cities.
The song kicks ass, good you are back🤘
Not every genre ending in "core" is related to punk. There are also electronic music genres like the electronic genre called "hardcore", happy hardcore, breakcore etc.
That's because its a reference to hardcore techno, but yeah.
Grindcore is basically Crust Punk that tried to become like Death Metal
I always found it funny how people say that grindcore is not really related to metal but to a punk yet if you go to a grindcore show you will see mainly metalheads and basically no punks. I also played some grindcore for my punk friends and told them that it is a music closely related to punk, they laughed and said that they hear no punk in it and that it sounds like metal. So even though I can clearly hear some punk influence, after some 15 years on the scene nobody can persuade me into thinking that grindcore is not part of the metal genres. Also it does not matter now that you have festivals and shows where metal and grindcore and hardcore bands are sharing stage, it might have been important in a distant past when hardcore fans and metal fans did not like each other but those days are loooooooong gone.
I have heard and witness the opposite. People who are into rougher and faster side of hardcore punk, crust, etc usually tend to vibe with grindcore more and are more down with it, while people mainly into metal cannot for the most part endure the punk simplicity and primitive barbarism of grindcore. That's not universal though, just my observation. Also people listening to grindcore for the most part also are often into hardcore punk/crust and usually don't tend to separate the two. Or maybe it's the particular scene: when I go to grindcore gigs here in Croatia, yes, there are some but not much long hairs in crowd, but for the most part, people attending grindcore shows in my experience are into more nastier side of punk. Still, I don't think grindcore without primarily punk influences works, it would be be more primitive death metal, for that alone, even though historically it's a crossover genre, I think punk part of the formula is much more important than the metal side of it, sonically, stylistically, ideologically...
@@iachtulhu1420 That is fascinating, maybe it depends on the country. I am from the Czech republic and I guess that our scene is kinda shaped by our two big extreme festivals, Brutal Assault which is mainly about metal but there are always bunch of grindcore bands and then you have Obscene Extreme which is mainly about grindcore but there are always couple of metal bands and maybe that is causing this unity of metal fans and grindcore and hardcore fans. Another thing worth mentioning is that we have very few hardcore/punk bands but we have buttloads of punk/rock bands so czech punks are generally into much softer music and that is probably the reason why majority of punks that I know hear no punk in grindcore.
Grindcore and Death Metal grew up together... no question there's a lot if overlap. But i also think Grind is more Punk than Metal....
@Christopher-h8r3y i ma gen z,mettalica thrash or heavy metal.....lol ,pure heavy metal is sabbat
Discharge was the genesis of grincore & thrash.
Danke Farvann!! Cool video. Really opens up my understanding...
True. I love metal and punk and this is accurate af. And your song slaps.
Grind bands like ND and Carcass started picking up metal influences really early. It’s also hard to describe bands like Terrorizer as playing anything other than metal. I’ve also never really considered ENT or similar bands to be grind. Just really heavy d-beat. Anyway, I’m really glad to be too old to have to endure hours of derivative grind bands at local venues. I like the genre, but have seen enough.
ND stopped being pure grindcore around early 90s, but they have never lost this hardcore punk/post-punk/crust punk base from which they came. Even today, you can still hear all of those influences in their sound even though they brought many metallic elements and styles.
I feel a lot of oldschool Sepultura energy 🤘
I fucking love grindcore
You're right, Grindcore is basically a mixture of the sound of Crust Punk (Antisect, Doom etc) with speed and brief songs of Thrashcore (Siege, early D.R.I. etc). In fact, nothing to do with Metal really (even if there's also Metal influences of course)
Mostly just the deep guitar sounds and speed, mixed with the vocal styles, is why it gets lumped into metal. I’d say
Completely agree with you@@s.t.5590
what the hell is "Thrashcore"? is that a new genre you kids made up? i don't like it *grumps*
@@randomdudelife Unfortunately the sub-genres of sub-genres of sub-genres of sub-genres will likely never stop.
@@s.t.5590Thrashcore is a term thats been used since the late 80s, youre just ignorant lmao
i always thought grindcore was a if death metal and hardcore had a child, and then deathgrind was if that child had more children with death metal
Man your edditing improved so much! Great vid
my boy farvann delivering the goods once again, great video!
Nice job on the editing. It's not necessary for me to enjoy your videos but it's a nice effect.
That actually sounded pretty bad ass lol
If it sounds heavy, I fuck with it heavy
Very NICE Song you made ^^
Grindcore is like if hard-core punk and metal had a kid. But hard-core punk got full custody.
Great you're back! Basssound is naaaaasty
I've been a Grindcore fan for 20+ years, I always count it as metal, as most Punk fans wouldn't like it, but most extreme Metal fans probably would. It does have origins in Punk of course, but it also has origins in Metal too. Repulsion started as a Thrash band who added Punk to their music for example. I think it depends mostly on the band. Carcass is also more Metal than it is Punk, even though their earlier music was more Punk. Even Amebix who aren't grindcore, but "Crust" I would say are more metal than they are punk. If it has pig squeals and fringes it's poser Grindcore though...
@@Farvann I would definitely agree with people being people. I used to know a guy who was a "UK82/D-beat" punk in the 80's, but he liked some metal, and when Amebix came out all his punk friends hated it because it was "too metal", whereas he thought it was excellent. I do know a few metal heads who like punk but hate grindcore as well.
I am a metal fan, so my bias is towards it being metal, but I also love punk, and punk was the first "alternative" music I liked when I was around 5 or 6, my brother is 7 years older than me and he liked 70's punk, so he got me into it, but he hates metal in general, and definitely hates grindcore.
It's definitely a polarising genre that's for sure.
You seamlessly transitioned from Grind to Crust with that chorus. I'm impressed.
I love when people say "post hardcore isn't metal" and then tell them "ya, it's post hardcore PUNK!"
Those lyrics kind of make me want to listen to Circle Jerks. "Mrs. America, how's your favorite son? Do you know just what he's done... NO!"
I just had no idea Farvann actually lacked the amount of talent not needed to be able to make a proper grindcore song! Good job!
Lol the suggestions from the audience at the beginning killed me!
Lmao the way he used his two middle finger for step two xD 1:37
You went crazy with that "swoosh" sound effect in this video!
4:05 is nasty! Great vid
This was really well done!
Extreme Noise Terror is so hard they are considered forefathers of grindcore and didn't even utilize blast beats in "Holocaust in Your Head". I encourage you to watch Napalm Death "Live Corruption" with the volume full blast. Listen to Terrorizer, Excruciating Terror, Insect Warfare and consider the cities they came from when the albums came out. Repulsion, Nashgul, Assük, Sore Throat. Glob, Deathtoll 80k, Trucido, Laughing Dog. All the best in your journey. ⚔️☠️⚔️
Sick bass tone!
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That bass tone is actually nasty
Um, yeah. Not sure what you were expecting
@@fclefjefff4041God forbid I give someone a compliment right
Putting PLF as an example shows how hard in can be sometimes, even some Nasum riffing is hard when done right
as a Tech Death nerd, I'm very fond of Fastcore for making a subgenre of Punk with blastbeats that still sounds like Punk
Great video! I stumbled into grindcore after spending my teens into hardcore and then powerviolence. Beyond the odd record here and there, I'd never been into metal, nor knew too much at all about it. So (while I totally see metal's critical and sizable presence in grindcore), it always felt a very punk/hardcore punk genre to me. I adore old skool mince, and to me that really feels (in sound and energy/culture) very punk indeed. I've been a grind type for maybe 25 years now... but I 've had to do a lot of learning about what 'metal' is!
Grind led me to loving goregrind, gorenoise, mincegore, grindviolence, noisecore, etc... and I'm still not really connected to the rest of metal. Grind spectrum kind of feels like an extension of crustpunk to my (ill trained) ear, and I fucking love it!
the editing is so great for my 3 second attention span LMFAO
I always felt grindcore to be closer to hardcore and it's funny how metal archives have accepted it but will reject most metalcore and deathcore. They're very selective about what is added. I have seen some metalcore on their site while rejecting others so they're not consistent about what they allow.
The mods on that site genuinely believe that Infant Annihilator's first 2 albums aren't metal, only their last one... I dont even need to explain how moronic that is, do I?
Unironically, those vocals in the first verse were absolutely sick.
Amazing video as always keep it up man🤟
Highly accurate. I've always thought of grindcore as punk. Some of it is more metal influenced, but its still punk. Just punk pushed to its furthest extreme.
Excellently explained 😻
A friend of mine and the former guitarist from the world famous band Sadistic Emergency sad it that way: "In Grindcore every musician is absolutely virtuous with his instrument - rethoric pause - and then you just cycle through the instruments."
Amazing editing🤘
Farvann! It's been a while!
I don’t think Grindcore is Metal or Punk. I think Grind is a genre of its own imo, as Grind and it’s many sister subgenres are pretty much the Noise Not Music scene.
Grindcore takes elements of Death Metal and Hardcore Punk, and just turns it up to 11 with the most absurdist way possible. With GoreGrind, DeathGrind, PornoGrind, ScatGrind, CyberGrind all coming out of that Grindcore genre.
But there is a few genres with both Metal and Punk influences.
* Thrash Metal was influenced by NWOBHM, early Speed Metal, and Punk.
* Crossover Thrash being a fusion of Punk/Hardcore Punk and Thrash Metal.
* Groove Metal has some New York Hardcore leanings, bands like Biohazard, Throwdown, Pro Pain, and Hatebreed all could be classed as Groove Metal, as Phil Anselmo was a big fan of New York Hardcore and Pantera had very strong New York Hardcore leanings.
* Metalcore originally being a fusion of Melodic Death Metal and Hardcore Punk, but then Metalcore becomes like adjacent Post Hardcore with Metal influences.
* Deathcore being a fusion of Death Metal and Metalcore.
* Crust Punk is very influenced by Metal and has Metal leanings.
But Metal and Hardcore become very blurred in places.
It can be said that grindcore is the conclusion of Metal and Punk hybrids, and being there are subgenres within grind called goregrind, grindgore, cybergrind, and arguably Powerviolence, Grindcore exists distinct within the Rock & Roll family as Metal is made distinct from Rock.
Dude... I love Grindcore.
Incredibly accurate!
I have misunderstood grindcore. I thought it was a genre of gay porn.😂
That would be grindrcore.
To be fair pornogrind exists
Punk is not dead, it just smells funny
So Grindcore is what happens when punks actually learn how to play their instruments.
Sort of. I think the genre powerviolence is a better example of that
Most bands play very tight while fcking with time signatures and tempos. Highly recommend the band No Comment and their EP Downsided if you've never heard the genre!
@@Sergio-nb4hj True, Powerviolence is great
Oh, yes, absolutely. I mean, it's common knowledge that hacks like Dead Kennedys, Bad Brains, Fear, and Rich Kids on LSD were horrible musicians. I mean, just listen to their tight rhythm sections and shredding guitar players to hear just what I mean. Total amateur hour.
The myth that punk comes from people not having music skills was a weird marketing trick to get interest from the public in bands like pistols, damned and clash and their new york equivalents by the promoters flogging the product, it then lead to a bunch of regional copycat scenes which resulted in either crap party bands or gradually developing competent musicianship on the part of so called punks. American hardcore is even weirder because despite the fact that it was even more grass roots than 77 era punk the members of bands like bad brains and dead kennedys came from prog backgrounds. The idea of punk being unskilled comes from the fact that it was a minimalist music movement designed to counteract the mid 70's stadium rock scene which was exclusively populated by very high tier musicians. Waay too many early 80's hardcore bands were made by exceptional musicians, just minimalists instead of musically decadent and indulgent like prog starts were at the time. The real problem here is that long haired metal dudes literally too much of the time don't know a fucking THING about other genres of music, embarrassingly so the genres that influenced and shaped it into what extreme metal has been since the 80's. Just try minutemen, nomeansno, die kreuzen, articles of faith, the effigies, all are made by competent musicians.
Wtf, no. How did you get this impression?
Grindcore is extreme D-beat. Period. You either get it or piss off.
Grindcore and Power Violence all fuckin day!!
This is my favorite TH-cam video omg
There is definitely Death Metal influence in Grindcore. Punk/Hardcore/a seasoning of Death Metal. And if you want it to be more Metal than hardcore punk, Deathgrind is your answer.
Grindcore = Punk and brutal metal mixed. I was there when it started in the 80's
Woah this dude made an entire grindcore album at the end
great job. luv it
1:25 anything under 200bpm will cause the bus to explode.
The endles discutions of what is metal and not 💀💀💀
Is that a Rotten Sound legend Keijo in the thumbnail?
Powerviolence and grindcore ❤
Gulch
Can we all just appreciate that god dam riff after 4mins 😊😊😊😊
Great Grindcore song.
He's back!