Till this day it holds in my top 3 Kit bash ship designs. The design team basically took 3 Highlighters and a smaller Enterprise D model and put a larger Enterprise D bridge and recut the windows to make it look like a smaller ship. The results are hard to argue with.
As far as I am concerned, these stories are canon. Until the powers that be actually give official backstories which left face it, is never going to happen as these ships were nothing but footnotes. But the back stories you provide are detailed enough to warrant proper inclusion.
Actually this ship is cannon (Best of both Worlds 2) as it was onscreen in the aftermath of Wolf 359... in pieces. But 100% on the background stories. A+ material plus the animations is beautiful absolutely!!!
I always liked this class.. its like how US heavy and light cruisers had very similar hull and profile forms as the battleships of comparative ages.. it just looks good. Then again so does the nebula and galaxy themselves.
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios I liked it as well. She ain't bad looking. The TNG class of starships are in of themselves a lot of fun to look at and wonder what it would be like to part of the crew.
I have always really liked this ship design I could do without the sensor pod on the bottom of the secondary hull aside from that I think they could have done a lot with this class of ship. Thank you for the video of a class that I've been looking forward to seeing! Keep up the great work and looking forward to the next one . Still can't wait to see the Norway class. I hope everyone else enjoys this channel as much as I do!
Happy Holidays, man. You rock. You've given me hours of entertainment and information. I love the "Beta Canon" material; I'm hard-pressed to figure out where the "canon" stops and your creativity begin! I'm one of those old, original FASA guys, and you do those designs justice. I wish I could offer more than my thanks. I'll just let you know that you make many people's day's better for having your channel.
Its interesting how the "Galaxy project" seemed to be a fleet wide effort but only ended up with the Nebula and Galaxy really taking off. (Of course the real world reason is they just plain didn't show any other ships)
Love this class and all the galaxy variations.. would love to see newer ones based on sovereign class and Odyssey class as well... they'd be seriously bad ass ships
Great video. Keep up the good work. As far as the ship design, personally I think they should have stopped at 2 pods (dropping the one off the bottom).
Have you noticed how Starfleet only agrees to limited production of its most powerful classes ? This is a interstellar federation of over one hundred member world's and thousands of colonies and over a billion planet's within its borders yet they can only construct 12 ship's
I've got an idea for your Beta canon series, how about major events (not just battles) in Federation history? Just a thought as i really enjoy these videos... taken with a pinch of stardust of course lol 😁
0:45 just curious, you mention “first seen in next generation”…I’m having trouble recalling ever seeing this class in an episode of TNG, DS9 or VOY. I’m going to be giving the entire franchise a rewatch through soon, so figured I’d ask if that was just the same type of line you often use to refer to the era a ship came from, or wether it was indeed seen and I just never noticed. After all, it may well have only been a “blink and you miss it” type of appearance, but then at least id know to keep my eyes peeled…
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios ahh, figured it would have been from there or the opening of DS9 showing that battle…that or the ship “depot” in unification Cheers
Quite possibly my favorite kitbash ship. A lot of work went in towards making it look like a smaller ship than the Galaxy models being used. Nice explanation of how Starfleet really wanted to travel in comfort. They had the technology to do it all. Or did they? Clearly your take on it suggests that the era of the 2330s had issues of growing pains. I've come to like the Ambassador Class, but it isn't surprising that there were issues with it; it was a BIG and bold step into future designs, a design that technology just hadn't quite advanced enough to reach. As a comparison, it's not so different from the hope of putting railguns and lasers in current naval ship designs. Plus, the Ambassador class does have a bulky form that suggests that it's just not quite right. It explains why Starfleet's Galaxy Project would start small but get (very) big. The New Orleans being the early test bed makes sense. Interestingly, it is a 'small' ship that actually isn't all that small what with 500 crew and comparatively plenty of space of amenities. Indeed, as some have noted, the populations on Next Gen ships are quite low for their enormous volumes. But anyway, Starfleet was clearly committed towards making large ships. The New Orleans having its own issues making the presence of Galaxy designs in Starfleet far longer than expected, if rarely seen for a long time. We've HEARD about the New Orleans class enough that it did deserve its own model to show up, and to have an established presence on the fleet. In many ways, the sophistication of the Galaxy class helped fight the Borg in a way that sheer force would not, so it's hard to say that the Galaxy design is WRONG. But, the design does seem to overly favor windows and luxury which ultimately made them fragile designs compared to what Starfleet technology COULD make. Clearly, Starfleet came to believe that there were few threats they could not overcome, the Borg and Dominion being big surprises. It does not surprise me at all that the New Orleans pods were meant to be sensors originally. But I have always thought that the highlighters were extra torpedo mounts, a legacy of the Cardassian War, the New Orleans class needing some beefing up. In any case, I'm surprised that the sensor pod New Orleans wouldn't have ongoing roles as a scout and science ship? Then again, it might be just too big and expensive for those roles? Starfleet might have been wanting to use the various ship classes for multi-role assignments via swapping out pods, the New Orleans and Nebula classes would seem to bear that out. But it does suggest that issues with ships oversized but often under-reinforced for their roles.
Great video and a great ship design! I would love to see a post Wolf 359 refit with fully developed weapon pods. Top pods carying photons and quantums, bottom pod configured as a heavy phaser cannon, with it's own power supply in case of main power failure. The firepower would be devastating.
Love your episodes love your work you give good stories to ships I don’t know about what I can use in my mind to make my own little stories and Merry Christmas I hope you get a good year for 2022 and I’ll see you in the New Year have fun son
LOL thank you! And I wish you and yours the same... Side note, it's funny you call me son LOL I had a laugh over that, being Im probably twice your age and my days of being a son are long since over ;) :P
Awesome video. I love this class. So strange that the Oberth and Miranda kept going after Wolf 359 but this beautiful design was scrapped because, like those 2 ships, it couldn't stand up to a Borg cube. If I was an Admiral I'd have at least had it equipped as a pure science vessel and sold the Oberths to accident prone civilian scientists lol.
I like your backstory for the New Orleans Class. I like this Design. Interesting are the sensorpods on top and botton. Is there are e weponpod alternative?
This design definitely bears the burden of being hastily made for background shots. If the nacelle pylons were integrated into the hull as cleanly as they are on the Galaxy model, this would be a lovely little ship. As it is, the way they're just sorta tacked on to the neck sticks out like a sore thumb, because it's clearly not something that was supposed to be examined this closely. This is a problem with all of the Wolf 359 designs, but it's particularly unfortunate here.
The New Orleans Class has ALWAYS been one of my top 5 24th Century Trek designs. I actually have Starcraft's model of the ship and it's simply awesome. I have mine as the U.S.S. Kyushu. Of course with mine I left off the bottom highlighter pod because I always thought it would be ridiculous with it on there.
Replacing the sensor pods with photon torpedo pods. Would make this one nasty little border patrol ship. In fleet actions having it be the 2nd line of skirmish ships. Then be followed by heavier elements of the fleet.
_TriAngulum_ : In your Beta classes, if you have an obvious 'more ships were built later after redesigns', maybe call them different Flights or Groups of ships, like we do with submarines. Victor I, II, & III, Los Angeles Flight 1, Flight 2, etc. Constitution, Constitution II (refits), etc. Enterprise B was a Flight 2 Excelsior...
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios well on the Galaxy class ships as an example the Windows on the upper levels and the bottom of the saucer section are very long, longer than the bridge upper window, are much bigger than ten forwards windows. If you look at them.
As a Louisiana native, seeing a New Orleans class starship rocks my socks. I wonder if any ships in the class were named after landmarks in the city like the USS Canal or the USS Fleur de Lis?
I do not know if I have ever mentioned this before but the opening muysing withthe drums really reminds me of entering battle - and also the scene where we see torpedoes firing at a Borg tactical cube then Voyager flying into shot from Unimatrix One. If I couldnt get to command a Galaxy class I would definitely opt to command a New Orleans class, I love the design of it. I daren't sho wmy sister this, she is rather fond of the Ambassador class, I can only imagine her curses right now even as I type in defense of the ship class, every ship I think has failures as well as benefits as well, you dont learn from just progress alone, you have to have some failures to find out where things went wrong so they can be avoided or improved upon. however their lack of presence throughout TNG though and even in the Dominioon war says they cant be really combat effective, though I am sure with the boffins at the fleetyards they could be made more suitable for combat with modern technologies implemented in them, we see a a couple in a task force in TNG and of course one in thhe opener of DS9, thats the only times we see them other than of course Yesterdays Enterprise These pods (high liter pens in real life attached to the ship) I always had these down as additional torpedo launchers especially when it came to battling the Borg, but I suppose sensor pods would make sense for the golden era of Starfleet and the Federation for exploration purposes, you would think that Starfleet would have more tactical approach after the Enterprise's encounter with the Bprg at J25 and Commander Shelby would have pushed for pods to hev been made for more torpedo launchers or weapons systems, especially given the Borg threat to the Federation. I would like to believe that after the battle of Wolf 359 and Shelby in charge of bringing the fleet numbers back up with more ffective ways to fend agaibnst the Borg the New Orleans would be outfitted with better tactical systems, weapons pods as well as keeping a sensor pod, and the nacelles being outfitted with phaser arrays just like the Galaxy class refit we see on the venture at the end of Way Of The Warrior, keeping the base mission profile of exploration but also being more capable and tactically efficient, and then of course there's the Dominion we never see any of them so I would assume again in a rush to bring the fleet numbers up this class of ship would be patrolling the core systems in task forces of their own with the sensors and torpedoi launchers being an advantage, but thats just a little theory of my own. A wonderful video as always good sir you have done the ship class justice, as you do all your beta canon content, and thats what we need to remember it is beta canon and of course to take it with a pinch of stardust, but to have fun along the way
I would like to ask a question, given what I know, whose bright idea was it for civilian families of Starfleet officers to live on a starship in the first place? Even the Galaxy Class was not invulnerable even though it was strong, powerful, and durable. Look at the battles of wolf 359 and the destruction of the USS Odyssey at the hands of the Jem'Hadar. How many Civilians died of starships?
This ship could have been a beast if done right. Imagine each pod had 4 torpedo launchers. That means 6 forward 3 backwards.then the ship itself could have been loaded with phaser strips and 2 more integrated torp launchers. One fore one aft for a total of 12. Or the could have made the bottom pod a heavy phaser cannon. Put in 2 warp cores one a bit smaller and dedicated to weapons and shields. beef up the systems to handle the load. It would have been a hell of a ship.
19 decks tall ???. Everything I've ever seen on the New Orleans class has always pointed to only 14 decks tall. But I digress. As far as the class itself goes I think it's one of the best classes aside frome the Galaxy class itself I especially love how onscreen those pods are actually used as torpedo launchers it really goes a long way on the tactical aesthetic of the ships of the class as a whole as well as the overall appearance of a much stronger appearance of the particular ship in question at any given time combined with the luxury you could now begin to see on all federation starship classes of the time. In short tactical ability without sacrificed luxury is what truly made project Galaxy a successful (enterprise) "pun intended".
I really liked the New Orleans class. Wish we could have seen them as a working ship along side the Galaxy, Ambassador and Nebula classes rather than using 23rd century ships so much.
I always thought she was a cool little ship. A little sister to the GALAXY class. I like to know if you have any videos on the NOVA class and its refit design like the RHODE ISLAND.
Honestly it was just arrogance screaming how peaceful it got through the logic of the reason for that being they thought their tng era ships were basically invincible at the time. Which based on what they dealt with at the time.... Before the romulan reappearance and borg/Q apperance resulted in the reality check. Like if they remembered the past lessons the galaxy class and its sister classes would be mighty ships cause they didnt build pushovers but allowed themselves to fall behind the curve.
I’m actually surprised, I thought these ships were developed after Wolf 359 as a warship variant of the Galaxy and Nebula class. Instead they preceded the Galaxy, learned something new.
Great Video! The New Orleans Class is really one of my favorites Star Trek Ships of all time (even so "just" being a kit bash). For me, the design just makes so much sense: its basically a "Mini-Galaxy-Class", just cheaper and easier to build and crew. Luxurious enough to be appropriate as a diplomatic vessel, while the mission pods make it able to preform scientific and patrol/combat missions just as well. The current Star Trek Adventures RPG also mentioned an extended sensor array along the pylons. Together with a dorsal sensor pod (with an additional computer core, scientific probe launcher and isolated bio-laboratories for sample analysis) the New Orleans has the same sensory capabilities as a Galaxy Class. The two ventral pods were classified as "Torpedo Pods", each with their own magazines. Also the RPG mentioned the ability, due to the sensor array, to detect even the finest fluctuations/turbulences within subspace, thus the warp coils can tweak their power output, similar to the Intrepid Class movable pylons.
The New Orleans class holds a place in my heart! She had a multipurpose "Modular" idea in mind in her design. Regardless of Wolf 359 and the era in which the design originates; the Galaxy, Nebula, and New Orleans classes were the footing for advancing starship designs and technology. Alot like the cars of the 1980s, then deemed somewhat radical and prone to issues with the technology of the time; they seemed to become loved as the decades progressed. With new technologies, comes improvements supplemented by the older ones, making them more efficient, thus, increasing potential. Sorry for this long comment lol. I am an Auto-mechanic whom embraces old technology whos potential is brought up by modern technology. From the Constitution to the Galaxy, each family of starship and their derivatives fit the Automotive and engineering ideas of what I do and love today!
So not to dispute anything, my head cannon says that they DID develop all sorts of alternative pods, everything from shuttle bays to massive planetary colonization shuttles to “fire and forget” weapons pods to secondary nacelles for the saucer section to even being hard points for towing large sections of prefab space stations
Nice one Thank you. I wonder what became of Dr Richard Daystrom ? Last we see of him he is in Enterprises sick bay about to go off to the Federation funny farm.
I realize there were budgetary/SFX limitations, but I still want to see a canon depiction of a vessel with a weapons pod unleashing a full barrage. I mean, instead of the piddly 1-3 photon torpedoes we generally see, I want to know how an enemy vessel would fare vs a full onslaught of like 20-30 or more...
You spend weeks meticulously designing the Ambassador class Enterprise-C, and nobody bats an eye. You glue a couple of highlighters to a kitbash one afternoon, and all the fans loose their minds!
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Ok, let me rephrase that. [ahem] Starfleet spent years meticulously designing the Ambassador, only for massive backlash from the Federation to have them sweep it under the nebula. They throw together the New Orleans in a few years, and it's hailed for being revolutionary.
Better, but there's nothing that really says that Starfleet spent any less time designing one class over the other. The Ambassador class was merely a failure of a design that required a redesign! And it was revolutionary thanks to Isolinear Tech, not feelings :P
The starfleet engineers must have had a surplus of industrial sized highlighters at their disposal at the time. Jordy was jealous because they wouldn't use his hair clip ideas.
If that what's you think, then you havent been paying enough attention ;) Besides, I can only go by what Canon/ Beta Canon tells us! But there have been MANY stories here on the channel that do not follow the model you mention! :P
You don't only realize problems when you launch a ship unless it was some unforeseen obscure technical problem. The basic systems would all be tested before installation, and proven to function together. Prototype systems IRL are often tested on land before installation in a ship to prove capabilities. It would be impossible for the Federation to build a ship without a powerful enough computer system unless the designers were Pakleds or something. How could they not do the simple planning and math for the power and computing requirements for the parts that they planned to use.
Well apparently it was, and canon confirms this and shows you to be completely wrong as well, as we see it happen in Star Trek 5: The Final frontier...
Are you sure the Ambassador class didn't fail because of Scotty? Never mind that was the Excelsior class But I would like to thank the fault carried over.
While I appreciate the narrative and visual work you put in (especially for one of my favorite classes!), sometimes it sounds like Starfleet only has amateur engineers. You don't have to even have the hull on before seeing if there's enough compute power to run ship's systems. What do you mean the Daystrom institute _felt_ their new computer design would be up to the task? Felt‽ They should be able to _predict_, with quantitative bounds on their uncertainty. Shakedown cruises for new ships constitute the first integration test of a highly complex system; while system flaws _might_ not lead to the ship being disabled, a return to spacedock would bring to bear much more ability to diagnose and repair issues that are "shaken out", and really should be expected. Admittedly, you don't have a science consultant on-hand when you're writing scripts, so this paragraph is just me accidentally knowing more than the layman about a particular thing: When you think about it, every starship system-from the phasers to the sensors, and down even into the windows and the holodecks-is a safety-critical system. Even today we have standards, regulations, and engineering techniques to make sure there's enough performance in the computer design (hardware and software) to succeed. Real-time programming is one of the most impressive forms of programming work I've seen (perhaps only bested by cryptography). Like, obviously we have to suspend disbelief when Star Trek turns out to have made conservative predictions about the future, but this was made a week ago and is asking us to believe we forgot everything we know about making bits go brrrr? /rant
While I appreciate your opinion, there is precedent for everything said, along with Alpha and beta canon to support it... So if you're angry or upset about these tales, blame Star Trek itself for it and those involved with it! IE Star Trek V: The Final Frontier ;)
I don’t know about the “other mission specific pods never being built”. Just about every other breakdown of this class mentions that torpedo pods was one of the most common loadouts. Especially after Wolf 359 and the Dominion being discovered, you’d think that they’d want to at least have the option of ships like the N.O., Springfield and Nebula to be able to carry heavier armament. And the idea of this class coming out earlier than the Cheyenne, Springfield or Challenger classes feels a little off, too. It just looks like a slightly more modern design, and visually has more in common with the Galaxy and Nebula. Obviously, you’re welcome to your own head canon, and I always appreciate a video on my favorite star fleet ship class, but I respectfully disagree with some of your interpretations.
Well you are welcome to disagree, however, those other reviews that you're supporting are actually far more "head Canon" then this review. The reason, there is NO evidence what so ever in canon or Beta canon that a) The other pods were built or designed and b) that either of these classes survived the starship class purge after Wolf 359. In fact, both Canon (The Dominion War) and Beta Canon show that they didnt. So why build pods for classes that are decommissioned? Doesnt make much sense. Those other reviews are simple "wishful" thinking and Canon doesn't work on what we don't see, but rather what we do see. But the choice of yours.
You don’t need to be condescending. I understand the concept of cannon. We’re all making stuff up here. You stated at the beginning of your video that you’re filling in the gaps with your own imagination, and to take everything you said with “a grain of stardust.” But if you’re going to make a claim like “those other reviews are far more head cannon than this review,” how about some citations? Second, when you state there’s no evidence in alpha or beta cannon about the existence of other pods or that the ship class survived the post 359 purge, well, there’s hardly any information on this class in Alpha cannon. Basically a few seconds of airtime with the wrecked Kyushu and a couple lines in the encyclopedia. Beta cannon is often contradictory, to put it mildly. Hell, Alpha cannon is contradictory. But there is no direct evidence that there weren’t other mission specific pods, or that the New Orleans was purged after 359. Just logically speaking here, why develop external pods that can be changed out, if you’re only going to build one kind? It’s kind of pointless. Especially since we see the nebula class have at least two different external pods, which are far larger, and would logically be more difficult to change out. And why would all of these wolf 359 classes be purged? The Miranda class was there, and it failed just as hard. It certainly didn’t get purged. All of these newer ships were more capable, and, again just going by logic here, in the real world, the operating costs for vehicles that are fresh out of production are a lot cheaper than maintaining extremely old ships/cars/aircraft that have been out of production for decades, so why retire fairly new New Orleans and Cheyennes and Springfields and keep ancient Mirandas and Excelsiors? I know you’re looking for an in cannon explanation for why we only saw these once on screen, but it just doesn’t make sense that they were all taken out of service for losing a battle that no ship type in the Alpha quadrant would do any better. So basically, if you’re going to try and claim that virtually every bit of material that even mentions the New Orleans class is wrong about the mission specific pods, I think you should have something better to back it up than “well, nothing says it does, so what I just made up is correct.”
First off, NO one was being condescending, that's just you being defensive. I was being matter of fact to educate you on the facts of this situation. Second, yes I make stuff up to fill in the gaps between Canon, Beta Canon and situations. In a Beta Canon video however, I do not pull Facts out of my backside Like "These Pods Were Built" when Beta canon ( supported by Caqnon itself) says they werent. I merely take something like Canon saying this ship was equipped with sdpecial sensor pods, and expand that to something like this ship designer wanted a starship with long range sensors that could spy on an enemy from a distance. Very VERY different than just making things up. Again A leads to B, leads to C. Third, Canon doesnt contradict itself as much as you think it does, nor does that ever have any bearing on anything. If canon once said the ship is black but a new show comes out saying it was black and gray, then the ship is Black and Gray, the end. Fourth, The Nebula Wasn't purged, hence it's pods were constructed with a new pod being unveiled AFTER Wolf 359 and seen during the Dominion War. These other classes were not seen again. Thus another moot point. Fifth, whether you think it doesnt make sense or not, doesnt interest me. This channel is about Canon and Beta Canon. Thus those established facts are what we build from, and there is no evidence, and again in fact Canon contradicts your theory entirely. So you may have all the head canon you want. You can decide there were 50 pod styles constructed etc, but in terms on canon, you're just wrong. And I have reviewed EVERY bit of Canon and Beta Canon on those classes and none of them mention any other pods constructed or even designed. Only Fanon does, which is beyond meaningless to Trek. So What I have to back up the claim is Canon and Beta Canon, and what you have is wishes... And if wishes were horses we'd all have Stables. Lastly, stow the attitude problem. You came on my channel and made a comment. If you don't like being corrected or challenged then don't comment. Simple. Im not here to validate you or to put up with nonsense. Got it? You don't like it, you know where the door is! Im also closing this thread off here to give you time to calm down. Cya! (THREAD CLOSED- No further Comments will appear to prevent OP from falling in to a nonsense circular argument that is simply embarrassing and unnecessary!)
@@TriAngulumAudioStudiosYou ranked the New Orleans class in your top 10 best Starfleet starships but you didn't include the Galaxy class, which I find interesting because they are very similar to each other. Is there something about the Galaxy class that you don't like?
"Best use of highlighters in Starfleet" Award of Excellence.
Agreed :)
Till this day it holds in my top 3 Kit bash ship designs.
The design team basically took 3 Highlighters and a smaller Enterprise D model and put a larger Enterprise D bridge and recut the windows to make it look like a smaller ship.
The results are hard to argue with.
As far as I am concerned, these stories are canon. Until the powers that be actually give official backstories which left face it, is never going to happen as these ships were nothing but footnotes. But the back stories you provide are detailed enough to warrant proper inclusion.
I agree 👍 💯
I wish this class would have been seen more often.
Actually this ship is cannon (Best of both Worlds 2) as it was onscreen in the aftermath of Wolf 359... in pieces. But 100% on the background stories. A+ material plus the animations is beautiful absolutely!!!
These stories just make sense.
This is one of my favourite Starfleet classes. I wish we had seen more of them in TNG and DS9.
Agreed :)
Best use of giant hi-liter pens ever!; )
I couldnt agree more ;) :P
I always liked this class.. its like how US heavy and light cruisers had very similar hull and profile forms as the battleships of comparative ages.. it just looks good. Then again so does the nebula and galaxy themselves.
"Mission-profile-specific pods"
Yes, when you need to _highlight_ your foes' weaknesses for the rest of the fleet. In various colors.
Now THAT'S a spectacular design. I absolutely love all the ships depicted in this video, they all have their place in Trek history. Great stuff.👍
Thank you very much! And Im glad you enjoyed it :)
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios 😁😁👍
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios I liked it as well. She ain't bad looking.
The TNG class of starships are in of themselves a lot of fun to look at and wonder what it would be like to part of the crew.
Those sensor pods can really highlight anomalies.
I admire you giving this kit bash a background and history despite the fact it was just a Wolf 359 filler. 😀
Filler or not, It's canon, so deserves the respect ;)
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios got it
I love these speculative videos mixing alpha and beta+ head cannon. You do a good job thinking things through and about
Thank you so much! :)
Its an interesting kit-bash. I recall seeing this in the wreckage scene in Best of Both Worlds.
I have always really liked this ship design I could do without the sensor pod on the bottom of the secondary hull aside from that I think they could have done a lot with this class of ship. Thank you for the video of a class that I've been looking forward to seeing! Keep up the great work and looking forward to the next one . Still can't wait to see the Norway class. I hope everyone else enjoys this channel as much as I do!
I know I do! ;) :P
The only thing more whack than a highlighter kit-bash is Obi-wan talking into a Schtick Lady-shave! 🤣
Cool looking ship though. 😎
I loved this design when I first saw it, it’s prettier than the Galaxy Class IMHO. Yes, even with the “highlights”.
I'd love for the 'Truth or myth' videos to include a "noteable ships" rundown for each class. Would really flesh out the lore. Great videos!
That's a great idea! Ive done some like that already, and in the future will be doing more :) So stay tuned :)
Happy Holidays, man. You rock. You've given me hours of entertainment and information. I love the "Beta Canon" material; I'm hard-pressed to figure out where the "canon" stops and your creativity begin! I'm one of those old, original FASA guys, and you do those designs justice. I wish I could offer more than my thanks. I'll just let you know that you make many people's day's better for having your channel.
Thank you so much, I really appreciate the support :) Happy Holidays to you and yours :)
Its interesting how the "Galaxy project" seemed to be a fleet wide effort but only ended up with the Nebula and Galaxy really taking off.
(Of course the real world reason is they just plain didn't show any other ships)
the New Orleans class and the Ambassador class are among my favorite ship classes of the TNG era
Both beautiful Classes :)
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios yes they are
One of my favorites.
I've always liked the New Orleans class it's a really amazing looking Starship everyone have a really amazing Christmas
Another Gem! What a great episode man!
Thank you so much :)
You should really write a huge book about ship beta canon!
Thank you so much Frank :)
I'd buy that
This is the Class I would love to Capt'n.
Love this class and all the galaxy variations.. would love to see newer ones based on sovereign class and Odyssey class as well... they'd be seriously bad ass ships
Great video. Keep up the good work. As far as the ship design, personally I think they should have stopped at 2 pods (dropping the one off the bottom).
Thank you Bill! And for me, I kinda like the 3rd Pod ;)
Have you noticed how Starfleet only agrees to limited production of its most powerful classes ? This is a interstellar federation of over one hundred member world's and thousands of colonies and over a billion planet's within its borders yet they can only construct 12 ship's
I've got an idea for your Beta canon series, how about major events (not just battles) in Federation history? Just a thought as i really enjoy these videos... taken with a pinch of stardust of course lol 😁
Thankyou so much for creating this video !!
My pleasure 😊
You might say it was the highlight-er of the line :D lol
No, I wouldnt say that :P LOL
0:45 just curious, you mention “first seen in next generation”…I’m having trouble recalling ever seeing this class in an episode of TNG, DS9 or VOY.
I’m going to be giving the entire franchise a rewatch through soon, so figured I’d ask if that was just the same type of line you often use to refer to the era a ship came from, or wether it was indeed seen and I just never noticed.
After all, it may well have only been a “blink and you miss it” type of appearance, but then at least id know to keep my eyes peeled…
It is in the Graveyard Scene from The Best of Both Worlds Part 2 ;)
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios ahh, figured it would have been from there or the opening of DS9 showing that battle…that or the ship “depot” in unification
Cheers
Quite possibly my favorite kitbash ship. A lot of work went in towards making it look like a smaller ship than the Galaxy models being used.
Nice explanation of how Starfleet really wanted to travel in comfort. They had the technology to do it all. Or did they? Clearly your take on it suggests that the era of the 2330s had issues of growing pains. I've come to like the Ambassador Class, but it isn't surprising that there were issues with it; it was a BIG and bold step into future designs, a design that technology just hadn't quite advanced enough to reach. As a comparison, it's not so different from the hope of putting railguns and lasers in current naval ship designs. Plus, the Ambassador class does have a bulky form that suggests that it's just not quite right.
It explains why Starfleet's Galaxy Project would start small but get (very) big. The New Orleans being the early test bed makes sense. Interestingly, it is a 'small' ship that actually isn't all that small what with 500 crew and comparatively plenty of space of amenities. Indeed, as some have noted, the populations on Next Gen ships are quite low for their enormous volumes. But anyway, Starfleet was clearly committed towards making large ships. The New Orleans having its own issues making the presence of Galaxy designs in Starfleet far longer than expected, if rarely seen for a long time. We've HEARD about the New Orleans class enough that it did deserve its own model to show up, and to have an established presence on the fleet.
In many ways, the sophistication of the Galaxy class helped fight the Borg in a way that sheer force would not, so it's hard to say that the Galaxy design is WRONG. But, the design does seem to overly favor windows and luxury which ultimately made them fragile designs compared to what Starfleet technology COULD make. Clearly, Starfleet came to believe that there were few threats they could not overcome, the Borg and Dominion being big surprises.
It does not surprise me at all that the New Orleans pods were meant to be sensors originally. But I have always thought that the highlighters were extra torpedo mounts, a legacy of the Cardassian War, the New Orleans class needing some beefing up. In any case, I'm surprised that the sensor pod New Orleans wouldn't have ongoing roles as a scout and science ship? Then again, it might be just too big and expensive for those roles? Starfleet might have been wanting to use the various ship classes for multi-role assignments via swapping out pods, the New Orleans and Nebula classes would seem to bear that out. But it does suggest that issues with ships oversized but often under-reinforced for their roles.
It has the Stabilo pen class sensor pods :P
LOL, Indeed it does ;) Best of all the classes EVER to use them ;)
Great video and a great ship design! I would love to see a post Wolf 359 refit with fully developed weapon pods. Top pods carying photons and quantums, bottom pod configured as a heavy phaser cannon, with it's own power supply in case of main power failure. The firepower would be devastating.
Basically bolt on attachments with a the Future Enterprise Phaser Lance. I like that idea.
I just discovered your videos and love them. Looking forward to viewing them all.
Love your episodes love your work you give good stories to ships I don’t know about what I can use in my mind to make my own little stories and Merry Christmas I hope you get a good year for 2022 and I’ll see you in the New Year have fun son
LOL thank you! And I wish you and yours the same... Side note, it's funny you call me son LOL I had a laugh over that, being Im probably twice your age and my days of being a son are long since over ;) :P
Nice looking ship. Wish we could've seen more of this class.
I love watching these videos, but I'm curious. Do you have a playlist for just federation starfleet ships As well as klingon and romulan ships only.
Awesome video. I love this class. So strange that the Oberth and Miranda kept going after Wolf 359 but this beautiful design was scrapped because, like those 2 ships, it couldn't stand up to a Borg cube. If I was an Admiral I'd have at least had it equipped as a pure science vessel and sold the Oberths to accident prone civilian scientists lol.
I love all the classes with the huge saucer sections like the Galaxy and Nebula classes
I like your backstory for the New Orleans Class. I like this Design. Interesting are the sensorpods on top and botton. Is there are e weponpod alternative?
There was supposed to be, but Starfleet never followed through with designing them!
This design definitely bears the burden of being hastily made for background shots. If the nacelle pylons were integrated into the hull as cleanly as they are on the Galaxy model, this would be a lovely little ship. As it is, the way they're just sorta tacked on to the neck sticks out like a sore thumb, because it's clearly not something that was supposed to be examined this closely. This is a problem with all of the Wolf 359 designs, but it's particularly unfortunate here.
Now that I know those top saucer pods are just decorated markers, I can't unsee that.
I heard they only made 5 new orleans class ships as they ran out of highlighter pens. 😉
The New Orleans Class has ALWAYS been one of my top 5 24th Century Trek designs. I actually have Starcraft's model of the ship and it's simply awesome. I have mine as the U.S.S. Kyushu. Of course with mine I left off the bottom highlighter pod because I always thought it would be ridiculous with it on there.
I like the New Orleans class because it looks comfortable to me I don't know why
I like the design as well, especially after being able to play with the 3d Model
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios every time i play SR2 i think about making federation style ships but i feel guilty and never do XD
Maybe you are getting a buzz from sniffing the highlighters?
Replacing the sensor pods with photon torpedo pods. Would make this one nasty little border patrol ship. In fleet actions having it be the 2nd line of skirmish ships. Then be followed by heavier elements of the fleet.
_TriAngulum_ : In your Beta classes, if you have an obvious 'more ships were built later after redesigns', maybe call them different Flights or Groups of ships, like we do with submarines. Victor I, II, & III, Los Angeles Flight 1, Flight 2, etc.
Constitution, Constitution II (refits), etc. Enterprise B was a Flight 2 Excelsior...
I enjoyed this video, thank you 😊
Glad you enjoyed it! :)
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios I enjoy most (99%) of your videos. Thank you for your time and skills. Maybe someday I can afford to help you out!
I figure that this design would have been sidelined compared to the Nebula class being that much more capable… and I then wolf 359 happened.
Yep and yes, though windows in this must of been very long.
What do you mean?
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios well on the Galaxy class ships as an example the Windows on the upper levels and the bottom of the saucer section are very long, longer than the bridge upper window, are much bigger than ten forwards windows. If you look at them.
Thank you very much for this nice Information Video
Most welcome :)
I love this one, it's neat.
You and me both :)
Love this class. Great work. 👏
IMHO STNG messed up by not using it much more and fixated on the overused Excelsior class.
As a Louisiana native, seeing a New Orleans class starship rocks my socks. I wonder if any ships in the class were named after landmarks in the city like the USS Canal or the USS Fleur de Lis?
I do not know if I have ever mentioned this before but the opening muysing withthe drums really reminds me of entering battle - and also the scene where we see torpedoes firing at a Borg tactical cube then Voyager flying into shot from Unimatrix One.
If I couldnt get to command a Galaxy class I would definitely opt to command a New Orleans class, I love the design of it.
I daren't sho wmy sister this, she is rather fond of the Ambassador class, I can only imagine her curses right now even as I type in defense of the ship class, every ship I think has failures as well as benefits as well, you dont learn from just progress alone, you have to have some failures to find out where things went wrong so they can be avoided or improved upon. however their lack of presence throughout TNG though and even in the Dominioon war says they cant be really combat effective, though I am sure with the boffins at the fleetyards they could be made more suitable for combat with modern technologies implemented in them, we see a a couple in a task force in TNG and of course one in thhe opener of DS9, thats the only times we see them other than of course Yesterdays Enterprise
These pods (high liter pens in real life attached to the ship) I always had these down as additional torpedo launchers especially when it came to battling the Borg, but I suppose sensor pods would make sense for the golden era of Starfleet and the Federation for exploration purposes, you would think that Starfleet would have more tactical approach after the Enterprise's encounter with the Bprg at J25 and Commander Shelby would have pushed for pods to hev been made for more torpedo launchers or weapons systems, especially given the Borg threat to the Federation.
I would like to believe that after the battle of Wolf 359 and Shelby in charge of bringing the fleet numbers back up with more ffective ways to fend agaibnst the Borg the New Orleans would be outfitted with better tactical systems, weapons pods as well as keeping a sensor pod, and the nacelles being outfitted with phaser arrays just like the Galaxy class refit we see on the venture at the end of Way Of The Warrior, keeping the base mission profile of exploration but also being more capable and tactically efficient, and then of course there's the Dominion we never see any of them so I would assume again in a rush to bring the fleet numbers up this class of ship would be patrolling the core systems in task forces of their own with the sensors and torpedoi launchers being an advantage, but thats just a little theory of my own.
A wonderful video as always good sir you have done the ship class justice, as you do all your beta canon content, and thats what we need to remember it is beta canon and of course to take it with a pinch of stardust, but to have fun along the way
I would like to ask a question, given what I know, whose bright idea was it for civilian families of Starfleet officers to live on a starship in the first place? Even the Galaxy Class was not invulnerable even though it was strong, powerful, and durable. Look at the battles of wolf 359 and the destruction of the USS Odyssey at the hands of the Jem'Hadar. How many Civilians died of starships?
This ship could have been a beast if done right. Imagine each pod had 4 torpedo launchers. That means 6 forward 3 backwards.then the ship itself could have been loaded with phaser strips and 2 more integrated torp launchers. One fore one aft for a total of 12. Or the could have made the bottom pod a heavy phaser cannon. Put in 2 warp cores one a bit smaller and dedicated to weapons and shields. beef up the systems to handle the load. It would have been a hell of a ship.
Peace and Long Life.
Ah yes the ship with giant highlighters added on
I would like to highlight an issue with this class
Ba Doom Tsss :P
can we get on on vulcan ships?
19 decks tall ???. Everything I've ever seen on the New Orleans class has always pointed to only 14 decks tall.
But I digress. As far as the class itself goes I think it's one of the best classes aside frome the Galaxy class itself I especially love how onscreen those pods are actually used as torpedo launchers it really goes a long way on the tactical aesthetic of the ships of the class as a whole as well as the overall appearance of a much stronger appearance of the particular ship in question at any given time combined with the luxury you could now begin to see on all federation starship classes of the time.
In short tactical ability without sacrificed luxury is what truly made project Galaxy a successful (enterprise) "pun intended".
Don’t forget the markers lol
I really liked the New Orleans class. Wish we could have seen them as a working ship along side the Galaxy, Ambassador and Nebula classes rather than using 23rd century ships so much.
I always thought she was a cool little ship. A little sister to the GALAXY class. I like to know if you have any videos on the NOVA class and its refit design like the RHODE ISLAND.
Actually, my Beta Canon video on the Nova Class is scheduled to come out Monday I think! :)
Anyone else think having families on starships was just a bad idea across the board?
I think almost everyone does ;) :P
Yep 100%
Honestly it was just arrogance screaming how peaceful it got through the logic of the reason for that being they thought their tng era ships were basically invincible at the time. Which based on what they dealt with at the time.... Before the romulan reappearance and borg/Q apperance resulted in the reality check. Like if they remembered the past lessons the galaxy class and its sister classes would be mighty ships cause they didnt build pushovers but allowed themselves to fall behind the curve.
Could you perhaps do a line of videos on the various Alien ships from TNG
Dont worry, they're coming :) Problem is, Im limited by access to 3d models!
I’m actually surprised, I thought these ships were developed after Wolf 359 as a warship variant of the Galaxy and Nebula class. Instead they preceded the Galaxy, learned something new.
That's what I'm here for :P
Lets gooo
And we did :P
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Love your content bro. Really brings more life into the star trek universe.
If I recall according to info I had about the class from a long time ago there are supposed to be basically torpedo bays and I think magazines.
Thats a common, incorrect, misconception!
Great Video! The New Orleans Class is really one of my favorites Star Trek Ships of all time (even so "just" being a kit bash). For me, the design just makes so much sense: its basically a "Mini-Galaxy-Class", just cheaper and easier to build and crew. Luxurious enough to be appropriate as a diplomatic vessel, while the mission pods make it able to preform scientific and patrol/combat missions just as well.
The current Star Trek Adventures RPG also mentioned an extended sensor array along the pylons. Together with a dorsal sensor pod (with an additional computer core, scientific probe launcher and isolated bio-laboratories for sample analysis) the New Orleans has the same sensory capabilities as a Galaxy Class. The two ventral pods were classified as "Torpedo Pods", each with their own magazines. Also the RPG mentioned the ability, due to the sensor array, to detect even the finest fluctuations/turbulences within subspace, thus the warp coils can tweak their power output, similar to the Intrepid Class movable pylons.
The New Orleans class holds a place in my heart! She had a multipurpose "Modular" idea in mind in her design. Regardless of Wolf 359 and the era in which the design originates; the Galaxy, Nebula, and New Orleans classes were the footing for advancing starship designs and technology. Alot like the cars of the 1980s, then deemed somewhat radical and prone to issues with the technology of the time; they seemed to become loved as the decades progressed. With new technologies, comes improvements supplemented by the older ones, making them more efficient, thus, increasing potential.
Sorry for this long comment lol. I am an Auto-mechanic whom embraces old technology whos potential is brought up by modern technology. From the Constitution to the Galaxy, each family of starship and their derivatives fit the Automotive and engineering ideas of what I do and love today!
So not to dispute anything, my head cannon says that they DID develop all sorts of alternative pods, everything from shuttle bays to massive planetary colonization shuttles to “fire and forget” weapons pods to secondary nacelles for the saucer section to even being hard points for towing large sections of prefab space stations
Well unfortunately, your head canon would be wrong :P
Nice one Thank you. I wonder what became of Dr Richard Daystrom ? Last we see of him he is in Enterprises sick bay about to go off to the Federation funny farm.
Ive already done one all about that ;) th-cam.com/video/SUn-6Cu_Nw8/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=TriAngulumAudioStudios
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Nice one thank you will take a look(:
Why is the Ambassador's impulse drive blue?
Cause that's how the model maker made it, based on the original notes by it's creator!
Once you've seen the highlighters you can never unsee them.
LOL I think they actually look pretty good on it tbh ;)
I still don't like the 3 painted marker pen~
I love all the Galaxy class variants especially the Nebula class.
The Nebula Class is not a Variant, it is it's own class, as are all Project Galaxy Classes! :)
I realize there were budgetary/SFX limitations, but I still want to see a canon depiction of a vessel with a weapons pod unleashing a full barrage. I mean, instead of the piddly 1-3 photon torpedoes we generally see, I want to know how an enemy vessel would fare vs a full onslaught of like 20-30 or more...
Well I doubt you will as there really isnt a TNG Era show anymore, and those arent weapons pods! :P
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios ah, well then for vessels like the nebula or Miranda that did, but I hear ya...
The Enterprise B seems to have had some Isoliner tech. When Kirk charges the Deflector we clearly see isoliner chips.
Sorry, you are incorrect! Those are Duotronic Chips, hence the difference in size and markings!
You've got to feel bad for the lower decks ensigns who wanted to bring their family if they were still made to sleep in a corridor.
They werent... The Calinfornia Class was NOT a family vessel class...
You spend weeks meticulously designing the Ambassador class Enterprise-C, and nobody bats an eye. You glue a couple of highlighters to a kitbash one afternoon, and all the fans loose their minds!
I have no idea what you're talking about here...
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Ok, let me rephrase that. [ahem] Starfleet spent years meticulously designing the Ambassador, only for massive backlash from the Federation to have them sweep it under the nebula. They throw together the New Orleans in a few years, and it's hailed for being revolutionary.
Better, but there's nothing that really says that Starfleet spent any less time designing one class over the other. The Ambassador class was merely a failure of a design that required a redesign! And it was revolutionary thanks to Isolinear Tech, not feelings :P
The starfleet engineers must have had a surplus of industrial sized highlighters at their disposal at the time. Jordy was jealous because they wouldn't use his hair clip ideas.
This series has a predictable formula of incompetence/corruption resulting in failure, followed by success.
I still enjoy the series!
If that what's you think, then you havent been paying enough attention ;) Besides, I can only go by what Canon/ Beta Canon tells us! But there have been MANY stories here on the channel that do not follow the model you mention! :P
The highlighter-nacelles should have had some kind of external illumination.
Why? The Nebula Classes didnt have it either...
I felt the "Highlighters" urrm..were misson pods sensor, big freaking phaser, torpedo,cargo pods
You don't only realize problems when you launch a ship unless it was some unforeseen obscure technical problem. The basic systems would all be tested before installation, and proven to function together. Prototype systems IRL are often tested on land before installation in a ship to prove capabilities. It would be impossible for the Federation to build a ship without a powerful enough computer system unless the designers were Pakleds or something. How could they not do the simple planning and math for the power and computing requirements for the parts that they planned to use.
Well apparently it was, and canon confirms this and shows you to be completely wrong as well, as we see it happen in Star Trek 5: The Final frontier...
Seems like there was a time when Starfleet forgot how to design and build starships. :-P
You mean another, and another, and another time? :P
the ambassor class was just that, class with testing new systems
Im not even sure what you mean at all...
Isn't this the one where the designer used a couple of highlighter pens for the other nacelles?
Highlighter were used, but not as other Nacelles!
The name Enterprise should be on the best of the best of Federation starships. From NX to Sovereign.
Are you sure the Ambassador class didn't fail because of Scotty? Never mind that was the Excelsior class But I would like to thank the fault carried over.
Im 100% positive on that one! 😜
While I appreciate the narrative and visual work you put in (especially for one of my favorite classes!), sometimes it sounds like Starfleet only has amateur engineers.
You don't have to even have the hull on before seeing if there's enough compute power to run ship's systems. What do you mean the Daystrom institute _felt_ their new computer design would be up to the task? Felt‽ They should be able to _predict_, with quantitative bounds on their uncertainty. Shakedown cruises for new ships constitute the first integration test of a highly complex system; while system flaws _might_ not lead to the ship being disabled, a return to spacedock would bring to bear much more ability to diagnose and repair issues that are "shaken out", and really should be expected.
Admittedly, you don't have a science consultant on-hand when you're writing scripts, so this paragraph is just me accidentally knowing more than the layman about a particular thing:
When you think about it, every starship system-from the phasers to the sensors, and down even into the windows and the holodecks-is a safety-critical system. Even today we have standards, regulations, and engineering techniques to make sure there's enough performance in the computer design (hardware and software) to succeed. Real-time programming is one of the most impressive forms of programming work I've seen (perhaps only bested by cryptography). Like, obviously we have to suspend disbelief when Star Trek turns out to have made conservative predictions about the future, but this was made a week ago and is asking us to believe we forgot everything we know about making bits go brrrr? /rant
While I appreciate your opinion, there is precedent for everything said, along with Alpha and beta canon to support it... So if you're angry or upset about these tales, blame Star Trek itself for it and those involved with it! IE Star Trek V: The Final Frontier ;)
Class, class, class class class class 🤣
And even more class! :P
Not a bad design and I think it's interesting. Too bad we never got to see it on the screen
Well we did, in the Graveyard Scene in the Best of Both Worlds! ;) :P
Leave the ambassador class alone !
I can't, I have to report the truth ;) :P
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios forgive me for loving the Enterprise C
I don’t know about the “other mission specific pods never being built”. Just about every other breakdown of this class mentions that torpedo pods was one of the most common loadouts. Especially after Wolf 359 and the Dominion being discovered, you’d think that they’d want to at least have the option of ships like the N.O., Springfield and Nebula to be able to carry heavier armament. And the idea of this class coming out earlier than the Cheyenne, Springfield or Challenger classes feels a little off, too. It just looks like a slightly more modern design, and visually has more in common with the Galaxy and Nebula. Obviously, you’re welcome to your own head canon, and I always appreciate a video on my favorite star fleet ship class, but I respectfully disagree with some of your interpretations.
Well you are welcome to disagree, however, those other reviews that you're supporting are actually far more "head Canon" then this review. The reason, there is NO evidence what so ever in canon or Beta canon that a) The other pods were built or designed and b) that either of these classes survived the starship class purge after Wolf 359. In fact, both Canon (The Dominion War) and Beta Canon show that they didnt. So why build pods for classes that are decommissioned? Doesnt make much sense. Those other reviews are simple "wishful" thinking and Canon doesn't work on what we don't see, but rather what we do see. But the choice of yours.
You don’t need to be condescending. I understand the concept of cannon. We’re all making stuff up here. You stated at the beginning of your video that you’re filling in the gaps with your own imagination, and to take everything you said with “a grain of stardust.” But if you’re going to make a claim like “those other reviews are far more head cannon than this review,” how about some citations? Second, when you state there’s no evidence in alpha or beta cannon about the existence of other pods or that the ship class survived the post 359 purge, well, there’s hardly any information on this class in Alpha cannon. Basically a few seconds of airtime with the wrecked Kyushu and a couple lines in the encyclopedia. Beta cannon is often contradictory, to put it mildly. Hell, Alpha cannon is contradictory. But there is no direct evidence that there weren’t other mission specific pods, or that the New Orleans was purged after 359. Just logically speaking here, why develop external pods that can be changed out, if you’re only going to build one kind? It’s kind of pointless. Especially since we see the nebula class have at least two different external pods, which are far larger, and would logically be more difficult to change out. And why would all of these wolf 359 classes be purged? The Miranda class was there, and it failed just as hard. It certainly didn’t get purged. All of these newer ships were more capable, and, again just going by logic here, in the real world, the operating costs for vehicles that are fresh out of production are a lot cheaper than maintaining extremely old ships/cars/aircraft that have been out of production for decades, so why retire fairly new New Orleans and Cheyennes and Springfields and keep ancient Mirandas and Excelsiors? I know you’re looking for an in cannon explanation for why we only saw these once on screen, but it just doesn’t make sense that they were all taken out of service for losing a battle that no ship type in the Alpha quadrant would do any better. So basically, if you’re going to try and claim that virtually every bit of material that even mentions the New Orleans class is wrong about the mission specific pods, I think you should have something better to back it up than “well, nothing says it does, so what I just made up is correct.”
First off, NO one was being condescending, that's just you being defensive. I was being matter of fact to educate you on the facts of this situation.
Second, yes I make stuff up to fill in the gaps between Canon, Beta Canon and situations. In a Beta Canon video however, I do not pull Facts out of my backside Like "These Pods Were Built" when Beta canon ( supported by Caqnon itself) says they werent. I merely take something like Canon saying this ship was equipped with sdpecial sensor pods, and expand that to something like this ship designer wanted a starship with long range sensors that could spy on an enemy from a distance. Very VERY different than just making things up. Again A leads to B, leads to C.
Third, Canon doesnt contradict itself as much as you think it does, nor does that ever have any bearing on anything. If canon once said the ship is black but a new show comes out saying it was black and gray, then the ship is Black and Gray, the end.
Fourth, The Nebula Wasn't purged, hence it's pods were constructed with a new pod being unveiled AFTER Wolf 359 and seen during the Dominion War. These other classes were not seen again. Thus another moot point.
Fifth, whether you think it doesnt make sense or not, doesnt interest me. This channel is about Canon and Beta Canon. Thus those established facts are what we build from, and there is no evidence, and again in fact Canon contradicts your theory entirely. So you may have all the head canon you want. You can decide there were 50 pod styles constructed etc, but in terms on canon, you're just wrong. And I have reviewed EVERY bit of Canon and Beta Canon on those classes and none of them mention any other pods constructed or even designed. Only Fanon does, which is beyond meaningless to Trek. So What I have to back up the claim is Canon and Beta Canon, and what you have is wishes... And if wishes were horses we'd all have Stables.
Lastly, stow the attitude problem. You came on my channel and made a comment. If you don't like being corrected or challenged then don't comment. Simple. Im not here to validate you or to put up with nonsense. Got it? You don't like it, you know where the door is! Im also closing this thread off here to give you time to calm down. Cya!
(THREAD CLOSED- No further Comments will appear to prevent OP from falling in to a nonsense circular argument that is simply embarrassing and unnecessary!)
Why do you like the design of the New Orleans class more than the Galaxy class?
No one said that I do?
@@TriAngulumAudioStudiosYou ranked the New Orleans class in your top 10 best Starfleet starships but you didn't include the Galaxy class, which I find interesting because they are very similar to each other. Is there something about the Galaxy class that you don't like?
Why does everyone keep bashing the Ambassador class? I love the design -part conni and part ecellisor
No ones bashing the design, it's simple a design that failed!