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I think hunting would be a huge market for electric bike and especially swapable batteries, the quietness would be well suited to the job but i think a company would have to lower the price significantly hunters aren’t either willing or able to spend a lot on thing to get to and from a blind/tree stand. One priced around 2-3500 would be perfect
Most hunters ride/drive very far away to do their hunting and not risk shoot other people. Most electric EVs can't get the spots on 1 or 2 batteries let alone return back to their gas vehicles. Off-road eats up batteries milage. Add on hills, mountains, etc EVs aren't good for hunting trips.
@@StardustADV ... Most hunters I know drive the trucks to a certain point. Park. Then ride bikes or quads up to 30-40 miles on rough trails, hills, mountains, etc to reach their actual hunting location. Places trucks can't go of course. That EV fat wheel won't make those journeys. It will run out battery quickly off-road. Most hunters would need 3-4 batteries or more to transverse the wilderness. Nevermind the added weight returning with Wild Game in tow with the Moose, Hogs, etc will eat up the battery mileage even more. It could work for "city hunters" who think going 100 yards off road is a long way...
Honestly, I'd prefer a TW200 or even a Honda Trail for the purposes they attribute to this bike. Plus, the TW has the advantage of being road legal. It's alot cheaper than $8K and can range a hell of a lot further. The fellas did touch breifly on one purpose for the Grunt that they could have spent more time on. It would be terrific for hunting and fishing. They briefly mention it, but think of this. Any offroad oriented TW200 type of bike could do it. BUT...not as quietly as an electric. You'd put out so much less noise with this bike. If I got one, I'd take it to the start of the trail in my truck and from there I'd be almost as quiet as if I was using my mountain bike, but without the pedaling. I live in B.C. so that's normally ALOT of uphill pedaling to get where I go. But on the Grunt it's faster without the energy required for pedaling which saves your legs for spot and stalk hunting once you get to your hunting area. I mainly use my quad for that or mountain bike if I need to be quiet and it's not too far. If Volcon was smart, they'd come out with a bike trailer like the one you can get with the Quietkat Ranger electric bicycles. Then a hunter could haul gear in for a spike camp and haul a successful harvest out. A Queitkat can also be pedaled out if it runs out of juice. But they are damned expensive for what they are. Range is a problem with the electrics though. A spare battery for the Grunt is helpful with that, but still, a TW200 will do the same, be road legal, get so much more range and is significantly cheaper. My quad is great and can haul gear and game. But that Volcon could be stealthy. That would be a great selling point to market to hunters and fishers. But the lack of range and ability to haul gear and game won't have me trading in my quad for one. I'd get one as a second option to my quad though if it was cheaper than $8K. It would also give another meaning to "taking a Grunt in the woods".
Make it street legal with swappable batteries get the price near a TW200 and I'd buy one Heck make it 2 wheel drive with a huge battery and you could complete with Rokon
Its honestly the biggest reason they are as bad as they are. 99% of people are not going to spend 13K for a brand new electric sport bike when they could spend like 7k for a decent ICE sport bike. For the love of god they need to stop going after the performance market and go to the casual market. If they could make something like a 300-400cc type bike for under 7k, Im sure people would start buying them
@@pleasedontwatchthese9593 yeah, from a practicallity standpoint scooters are very useful. It's difficult to not brush over them though just because they get so much flack
@@SupChad735 agreed, for most people if they want more than a scooter, they most likely aren't also looking for the equivalent of a liter bike. Most people I feel go for something to chill and get around on with more preference to range and storage instead of performance
@@mgkleym only downside to e bikes is that some higher end e bikes could get you to speeds that you need more than a bycicle helmet for, but because they are packaged inside a bicycle frame, that's what they are
50 horsepower is just over 37,000 watts. You have a 2,000 watt hour battery. That means it could put out 2,000 watts for 1 hour. 20,000 watts would drain the battery in 6 minutes. 37,000 watts would kill it in just over 3 minutes (and that's if you drained the battery all the way down, which isn't great to do). Of course, no one will ride full power non stop, but hard riding would drain this thin in no time at all. It's cool, but that's a very heavy and powerful bike for such a tiny battery. My electric unicycle has about the same sized battery and only weighs 60 pounds.
Thanks, just saved me watching the video lol. 2000wh is pathetic for a bike like this, I have 1400wh in my electric mountain bike which weighs 35kg, has thinner tyres and pedals to help out, range on that is 50 to 80 miles taking it easy , if I ride faster I can get as little as 25 miles. What will.this get I wonder and how hard is it to push because any one who buys it WILL end up with a flat battery.
@@FlyingFun. - Good mountain boots, a good back pack room for 1 or 2 battery's. And you better be in good shape, or you want make it, at all. I think this bike can set people in really dangerous situations. Like you rid into a dessert kind of climate. When the sun goes down it suddenly can get below freezing. And the battery can drop from 50%-0 fast. Same for the extra battery you got with you. So suddenly you have 8-10 hour walk, below freezing temps; instead of the planed 1-2 hour ride home. That is not… Oh shit… this is going to be a hard evening. It is more like… am I going to survive this? Forget about pushing the bike home, or you will die out there. You can trust a gasoline engine, much more. Battery is not to be trusted. The bikes without a battery, is the once that always work. Tips… Even day-trips: take 1-4 boxes of mackerel in tomato… or something similar. Some salt, pepper, spice, chilly sauce, to get it down, if you have to. Most of them are small, and a good boost meal, when dying is not an option. You never know when that can save your life. Never leave home with out a bottle of water. You can use it for so many different things.
I've been watching the development of this for a while and still really want one. Sadly, it's not road legal though and don't have the land to warrant one. The swappable batteries are the future of single-rider electric vehicles. Why wait for a charge when there's spares to pop in?
Hoping to see EVs really leverage swapable cartridges - it'd eliminate the worry about a battery dying on you early and it'd make a lot of good jobs having technicians to swap cartridges at the new "fuel" stations
I thought I read somewhere that Suzuki, Yamaha and Kawasaki had agreed on a Standard Battery Pack that could be made available at a set price from Gas Stations. And each manufacturer could build multiple bikes using the same Battery Pack. But I read that about a year ago, and haven't seen anything since.
Makes me think of like at concerts where you can get those little battery charger packs for your phone and just swap it at a station for a new one once it’s dead.
I feel like this is the first electric motorcycle that makes sense for it's use case and financially. In a way it's compatible with Yamaha's tw200. Probably even justifiably close in price. I think this could be a great computer. With 3 batteries you could have one at home, at work, and one in the bike. This would allow you to always have a fresh battery making living with this little guy a breeze.
Pros: cool styling, good handling Cons: 350lbs dry, not street legal. I Would like to see these with dual motors stock and a lower lumbar support on that seat for comfort and to keep you from sliding back on hill ascents, and a "crawl" mode.
My Dad is in his Mid 70's and still likes to hunt, but is starting to have mobility issues, and I think this would be a great option for him! Good call out!
@@CuckBalls the motor is fine it has 750cc bike torque it don’t need a bigger motor. Battery might be better if it was little bigger but they can always sell those for a after market.
I like the way it looks. Reminds me of the 80s fat tire bikes Yamaha made. Would make a fun camping toy to replace my pcx scooters I use at the campgrounds.
Usually off-roading I'll bring extra gas so I can make it a few days adventure with this bike that's not really possible unless you lug around the whole other battery
Usually people would install or make side/rear baskets to carry their Jerry cans, I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing happens with removeable batteries.
One thing that wasn't mentioned in the video was fuel range. With batteries that small I'd see this type of platform limited only to use on smaller properties (around 20 acres) for ranch use or as alluded to in a DOT version for urban chore use which would be competing against e-bikes and mopeds (EV or ICE).
This reminds me of my dads off-road Suzuki in the ‘90s (it was old then, so probably from the ‘70s or ‘80s). Besides that, for this kind of money I’d buy a ‘real’ dirt bike, or more likely a street legal dual sport.
Yeah I remember we had a green one about 60cc, big wheel at the back and smaller at the front, it was heaps of fun, we learnt to ride on that as kids, I cant remember the brand.
If Spite and Yams are interested in electric alternatives to the Zero, check out a company in Finland called Verge. They’re selling a bike that embeds the motor into the hub of the rear wheel. No drive train! Pretty cool bike. I’d love to hear what you guys think about it’s ride quality.
The potential is there to replace the Rokon. If Volcon did a dual motor-in-hub set-up, (having wires instead of jackshafts, gears, belts and/or chains would be less weight and maintenance) they certainly have a shot. However, as you mentioned, the major limiting factor is the range of the batteries.
Funny, I remember spite claiming the TW 200 as a nerd bike. I could’ve purchased a TW 200 in the early 90s for $900. This video makes me wish I did it!
This thing is really cool, and I 100% want one really badly in the neat future, it would be perfect for the off-grid land I bought. Would be cool if they had a street legal version, but I will still take one... or two for a friend... or three for a gang.
IF we all go electric, either the technology will have to improve so much that batteries can go 500 miles (average for a day’s ride on a trip I would think), or we’re going to have to have battery depots. You know, instead of gas, you just exchange your battery and get going again. No one wants to sit for hours waiting to charge. Whoever invests in battery depots is going to make a lot of money.
We do some work for other Volcon products and they let us play with one of these. It's the closest thing to a motorcycle I've been able to ride and has me chomping at the bit to get a bike.
They really need to make this thing plate-able. Or... make it an 'e-bike' (like a Sur-Ron) so you can actually *use* the thing day-to-day for everyone who doesn't have a ranch.
TW 200 …. After the cool factor and desire to get into e …. From a practical point …. Used TW with heavier rear and fork springs is a fun capable multi purpose trail/back roads choice
That thing looks really cool. I would love to modify one to use around my farm since even my wife could use it since it doesn’t require shifting. Those will definitely have a big market once more outdoors people jump onboard with electric.
This seems like a cool first generation idea that needs some refinement and price adjustment. It looks like the old Yamaha and Honda 200cc fat tire bikes from the 1980s which were super fun. The weight and price is concerning.... Those need to be lower to really impress. The swappable batteries is an awesome idea but the battering need more "oomph" to be comparable to a Coleman or other ICE style trail bike in terms of range and power. I like the idea of using it for hunting because its so quiet. Out here in California where everything is a mega fire waiting to happen, I like that this would have no hot parts or sparks to worry about (assuming it doesn't pull a Tesla and spontaneously combust...). I would also like to see a street legal version with street friendly tires. This seems like a pretty niche product in this configuration though. Also....YAY! more dirt content! I will miss the trail videos.
honestly bikes liek those with more reasonably sized tires and street legal are what the industry needs as a new wave of beginner bikes that are cheap to own, don't ever need gas, and can take the battery inside to charge. perfect for college campuses and in city commuting. not going to replace a liter bike, but even somebody with a liter bike would probably think its as fun as riding a grom.
the range too lol I am sure its claimed 75 miles is more like 45 miles when u go full throttle to get up to 40mph lol... fuck make it street legal damn now it is a def no go
I love this video precisely because it gets the point of why EVs are misunderstood. They are a superior technology, but the energy density just isn't there to crunch highway miles - highway riding, especially if you want to go up to (and little bit past) the speed of traffic is *extremely* energy intensive. But the other side to that the appropriately sized battery can be charged quickly and you can literally charge them anywhere this is power. Out in the boonies with solar? Can be a problem for gas, but not for EV. For city slickers, the best application is going to be mopeds and scooters. I know it's dorky here, but I have a Burgman 200, but just to have that massive underseat storage where I can fit my backpack, groceries, a couple full faced helmets, that alone is deciding factor between whether I take my Burgman or my Zero: do I have wear a backpack? If yes, I take the Burgman and toss it under the seat instead. If I could have the Burgman in an EV package, that would *perfect* for bopping around town/errands/short commutes. And having swappable batteries is a huge boon for other applications, especially off-road.
I can't help wondering whether a transmission would help electronic bikes on the highway. The deficits tend to be speed and range, whereas low-speed torque is seldom a problem. Wouldn't this be amenable to gearing up? I wonder whether EMC bike makers are too enamored with the no-transmission model.
@@jkf9167 Well most bikes do have a single speed transmission - it's a gear reduction, hence the globs of torque. Most motors can spin silly fast, with nearly flat torque curves, and they don't have the same parasitic losses gasoline engines do where the faster they spin the more power they lose to friction. So in most cases, the benefits are insignificant if they're there at all, and if they are, the added weight and complexity of a multi-geared transmission will offset any benefit. In extreme performance applications, there can worthwhile benefits, but for most uses, a single speed is more than sufficient.
My biggest problem with the dirt content is that I can’t relate to it because I’ve never tried it. And there’s 2 reasons that I almost certainly won’t any time soon: cost and time. Even if there was some sort of class near me that would rent me the gear and bike, it would probably cost at least a few hundred bucks which I’d rather spend on an exhaust, or new bars, or something that I could keep for a long time rather than an experience that only leads to spending more. I’m almost concerned that I would like riding in the dirt because that’s a rabbit hole that would cost thousands of dollars. And for time, I already feel like I don’t ride enough on my street bike so anytime that I have a free day, I’m gonna be doing that.
Theyre like 80's style honda fat tire bikes, how can you get cooler than that!?!?!? Luvs it! Theres no doubt a potential street bike with this platform!
Literally just posted a video saying no more dirtbike off-road adventures, Yam even said he’d veto it no matter how good the idea. Off-road electric bike??!!!?!! Papa Yam got that short term memory loss real quick. Edit..I’ve gotta stop commenting before the intro plays
Basically any private land, people’s cabins, farms - places like campsites. Also electric- a lot easier to maintain. I don’t understand why they can’t make the battery both - like your bike in the video- 1 can be ( optional) permanently mounted and a spot for a smaller ( quicker charging) swap able- think about having your bike that plugs in at home- but for whatever reason isn’t charged - if you have a 7 lb swap able battery that can charge 20 miles on a house plug.... you charge at your desk, or wherever you go for peace of mind. The future is 80% of the battery on the bike , with a small swap able one for on the go.
Spike should take a look at Gogoro in Taiwan, swappable batteries on mopeds that are made like something from Apple. Loads of battery swap places around town, 80km on one charge…
It is a cool little bike, but, if I want to get an electric bike for the street, I'd just get a Sur Ron or Talaria. :) Cool video thou! Keep it up guys ✌️
So a battery powered Rokon it is, and that’s okay if you want to buy it. I’d go for an enduro that offers more flexibility and certainty that the manufacturer will still exist in 2 years. Regardless, it’s cool, there was forbidden dirt content on YN, it has VOL in its name, and no Royal Enfield simping today. Good job Spite and Josh.
I could see using something like this on my parent's ranch, but not sure they ever would take this over their ranger. Street legal is what I look for and capable of handling my 21-mile commute with 11 of that being highway speeds.
Nice hobby ride! *But* I love ICE bikes on the street. Especially considering they give 40-60mph depending on bike and the lack of any exhaust “symphony” would take away from safety and riding experience.
@@dauntae24 - The battery is always the problem that you cant fix. The Honda Trail 125cc get you home when the weather gets wet, cold and bad. A EV-bike only dies on you.
@@Gismo3333 not every one rides in snow storms and cold weather. I get your point. But the pros are take the battery out and bring it in the house is the only thing to Winterize this. Set it in the garage for 5 years but the battery in and your ridding again. No more starting fluid, spark plugs carb cleanings/rebuilds. pistons and ring jobs. Clutches ect ect. While I will always love jumping on a 2 stroke, this still looks like a fun ride.
@@dkennylee - where do you get snow storms from? You cant take your garage with you when you are out riding. Most people don't ride around their garage. I don't know anybody taking their house on a camping trip ether. Don't think you know what you are writing. what you say don't make sense.
@@Gismo3333 you were talking about "cold "weather your words. I never said anyone moved their garage. I mentioned storage. You do know what storage is right?
The ability to swap batteries will for sure make them desirable. Also, being exclusively off road with no street legality means they don't have to do shit for regulations.
Your right, every progression is made by small, cheap simple things that gain widespread adoption that then develop further from there, the electric bike phenomenon is backwards from the norm. Wow what a little ripper of a bike, thats a Sasquatch catcher if ive ever seen one!
50 hp is about 37 kW. 2 kWh battery. If you're pulling max power all the time, that's something like 4 minutes of riding. Of course you're not pulling the max power all the time so maybe something like 12 minutes of riding.
Easily swappable batteries is really what ev's are lacking. If you could pull your EV into the "power station" and a robot swapped the whole battery, just like a drill, and you were on your way, they would possibly be more viable. I wonder how much Volton is going to charge for replacement batteries? Also how long will they even have replacements for sale? The disposeable nature of vehicles these days is pretty rampant, especially with ev's.
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I think hunting would be a huge market for electric bike and especially swapable batteries, the quietness would be well suited to the job but i think a company would have to lower the price significantly hunters aren’t either willing or able to spend a lot on thing to get to and from a blind/tree stand. One priced around 2-3500 would be perfect
Most hunters ride/drive very far away to do their hunting and not risk shoot other people. Most electric EVs can't get the spots on 1 or 2 batteries let alone return back to their gas vehicles. Off-road eats up batteries milage. Add on hills, mountains, etc EVs aren't good for hunting trips.
totally could work. Just toss the bike in the back of your truck, get to where you want to hunt, then cover ground quicker then you would on foot.
@@StardustADV ... Most hunters I know drive the trucks to a certain point. Park. Then ride bikes or quads up to 30-40 miles on rough trails, hills, mountains, etc to reach their actual hunting location. Places trucks can't go of course.
That EV fat wheel won't make those journeys. It will run out battery quickly off-road. Most hunters would need 3-4 batteries or more to transverse the wilderness. Nevermind the added weight returning with Wild Game in tow with the Moose, Hogs, etc will eat up the battery mileage even more.
It could work for "city hunters" who think going 100 yards off road is a long way...
I've been high key looking for more electric motorcycle content. Appreciate you taking the time/chance on it.
Honestly, I'd prefer a TW200 or even a Honda Trail for the purposes they attribute to this bike. Plus, the TW has the advantage of being road legal. It's alot cheaper than $8K and can range a hell of a lot further.
The fellas did touch breifly on one purpose for the Grunt that they could have spent more time on. It would be terrific for hunting and fishing. They briefly mention it, but think of this. Any offroad oriented TW200 type of bike could do it. BUT...not as quietly as an electric. You'd put out so much less noise with this bike. If I got one, I'd take it to the start of the trail in my truck and from there I'd be almost as quiet as if I was using my mountain bike, but without the pedaling. I live in B.C. so that's normally ALOT of uphill pedaling to get where I go. But on the Grunt it's faster without the energy required for pedaling which saves your legs for spot and stalk hunting once you get to your hunting area. I mainly use my quad for that or mountain bike if I need to be quiet and it's not too far.
If Volcon was smart, they'd come out with a bike trailer like the one you can get with the Quietkat Ranger electric bicycles. Then a hunter could haul gear in for a spike camp and haul a successful harvest out. A Queitkat can also be pedaled out if it runs out of juice. But they are damned expensive for what they are. Range is a problem with the electrics though. A spare battery for the Grunt is helpful with that, but still, a TW200 will do the same, be road legal, get so much more range and is significantly cheaper. My quad is great and can haul gear and game. But that Volcon could be stealthy. That would be a great selling point to market to hunters and fishers.
But the lack of range and ability to haul gear and game won't have me trading in my quad for one. I'd get one as a second option to my quad though if it was cheaper than $8K.
It would also give another meaning to "taking a Grunt in the woods".
Honda ct125 Hunter is perfect. As is the tw200.
Make it street legal with swappable batteries get the price near a TW200 and I'd buy one
Heck make it 2 wheel drive with a huge battery and you could complete with Rokon
I think electric/hybrid bikes will have their place, like F9 said though, companies will have to market atleast a moped version to the public
I feel like ebikes kinda fill that segment.
Its honestly the biggest reason they are as bad as they are. 99% of people are not going to spend 13K for a brand new electric sport bike when they could spend like 7k for a decent ICE sport bike. For the love of god they need to stop going after the performance market and go to the casual market. If they could make something like a 300-400cc type bike for under 7k, Im sure people would start buying them
@@pleasedontwatchthese9593 yeah, from a practicallity standpoint scooters are very useful. It's difficult to not brush over them though just because they get so much flack
@@SupChad735 agreed, for most people if they want more than a scooter, they most likely aren't also looking for the equivalent of a liter bike. Most people I feel go for something to chill and get around on with more preference to range and storage instead of performance
@@mgkleym only downside to e bikes is that some higher end e bikes could get you to speeds that you need more than a bycicle helmet for, but because they are packaged inside a bicycle frame, that's what they are
50 horsepower is just over 37,000 watts. You have a 2,000 watt hour battery. That means it could put out 2,000 watts for 1 hour. 20,000 watts would drain the battery in 6 minutes. 37,000 watts would kill it in just over 3 minutes (and that's if you drained the battery all the way down, which isn't great to do). Of course, no one will ride full power non stop, but hard riding would drain this thin in no time at all.
It's cool, but that's a very heavy and powerful bike for such a tiny battery. My electric unicycle has about the same sized battery and only weighs 60 pounds.
Thanks, just saved me watching the video lol.
2000wh is pathetic for a bike like this, I have 1400wh in my electric mountain bike which weighs 35kg, has thinner tyres and pedals to help out, range on that is 50 to 80 miles taking it easy , if I ride faster I can get as little as 25 miles.
What will.this get I wonder and how hard is it to push because any one who buys it WILL end up with a flat battery.
@@FlyingFun. - Good mountain boots, a good back pack room for 1 or 2 battery's. And you better be in good shape, or you want make it, at all. I think this bike can set people in really dangerous situations.
Like you rid into a dessert kind of climate. When the sun goes down it suddenly can get below freezing. And the battery can drop from 50%-0 fast. Same for the extra battery you got with you. So suddenly you have 8-10 hour walk, below freezing temps; instead of the planed 1-2 hour ride home.
That is not… Oh shit… this is going to be a hard evening. It is more like… am I going to survive this?
Forget about pushing the bike home, or you will die out there. You can trust a gasoline engine, much more. Battery is not to be trusted. The bikes without a battery, is the once that always work.
Tips… Even day-trips: take 1-4 boxes of mackerel in tomato… or something similar. Some salt, pepper, spice, chilly sauce, to get it down, if you have to. Most of them are small, and a good boost meal, when dying is not an option. You never know when that can save your life.
Never leave home with out a bottle of water. You can use it for so many different things.
I think yall are doing a great job, dirt content, street content, electric bikes, everything you do I enjoy watching!
I've been watching the development of this for a while and still really want one. Sadly, it's not road legal though and don't have the land to warrant one. The swappable batteries are the future of single-rider electric vehicles. Why wait for a charge when there's spares to pop in?
Hoping to see EVs really leverage swapable cartridges - it'd eliminate the worry about a battery dying on you early and it'd make a lot of good jobs having technicians to swap cartridges at the new "fuel" stations
I thought I read somewhere that Suzuki, Yamaha and Kawasaki had agreed on a Standard Battery Pack that could be made available at a set price from Gas Stations. And each manufacturer could build multiple bikes using the same Battery Pack. But I read that about a year ago, and haven't seen anything since.
The swap and go approach seems to be doing really well for Gogoro and the mopeds
Makes me think of like at concerts where you can get those little battery charger packs for your phone and just swap it at a station for a new one once it’s dead.
Now introducing, Duracell AAAAAAAAAAAAA
I feel like this is the first electric motorcycle that makes sense for it's use case and financially. In a way it's compatible with Yamaha's tw200. Probably even justifiably close in price.
I think this could be a great computer. With 3 batteries you could have one at home, at work, and one in the bike. This would allow you to always have a fresh battery making living with this little guy a breeze.
How much is it to buy two extra batteries? They tend to be the most expensive thing on an electric vehicle...
OK so the no more off-road videos thing was bullshit. AWESOME! Reminds me of the 1980's Yamaha BW200.
Pros: cool styling, good handling Cons: 350lbs dry, not street legal. I Would like to see these with dual motors stock and a lower lumbar support on that seat for comfort and to keep you from sliding back on hill ascents, and a "crawl" mode.
It’s not an off-road couch.
@@stubbingtonmarigold3032 hell yeah dude with a 36 pack holder 😎
i'd call 8K a Con.
With lights and turn signals, it would pass Maryland inspecting to be street legal.
My Dad is in his Mid 70's and still likes to hunt, but is starting to have mobility issues, and I think this would be a great option for him! Good call out!
Putting an elderly man with mobility issues on an off-road bike. Great idea. 😂
If anything a 4 wheeler would probably be a better option
@@Torrious so many viable options.
Reminds me a lot of a Honda Fat Cat TR200. Those things were a blast to ride around the trails and the farms on.
the battery could be so much bigger
And less portable?
They could always add a bigger motor in the future.
Imagine one of these as a super moto with a bigger motor? It would be pretty sick.
@@CuckBalls the motor is fine it has 750cc bike torque it don’t need a bigger motor. Battery might be better if it was little bigger but they can always sell those for a after market.
@@tammyforbes2101 yeah that's what I mean a bigger battery. I would add a little storage compartment where that empty space is.
@@CuckBalls bigger battery not motor that bike has like 2000w battery that last like 20km
I like the way it looks. Reminds me of the 80s fat tire bikes Yamaha made. Would make a fun camping toy to replace my pcx scooters I use at the campgrounds.
Yeap the" fat cat" they called them.
"We're not making any more dirt content!"
Two videos later: Spite rides up a dirt road for the first 10 seconds.
Usually off-roading I'll bring extra gas so I can make it a few days adventure with this bike that's not really possible unless you lug around the whole other battery
Usually people would install or make side/rear baskets to carry their Jerry cans, I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing happens with removeable batteries.
One thing that wasn't mentioned in the video was fuel range. With batteries that small I'd see this type of platform limited only to use on smaller properties (around 20 acres) for ranch use or as alluded to in a DOT version for urban chore use which would be competing against e-bikes and mopeds (EV or ICE).
This reminds me of my dads off-road Suzuki in the ‘90s (it was old then, so probably from the ‘70s or ‘80s). Besides that, for this kind of money I’d buy a ‘real’ dirt bike, or more likely a street legal dual sport.
Yeah I remember we had a green one about 60cc, big wheel at the back and smaller at the front, it was heaps of fun, we learnt to ride on that as kids, I cant remember the brand.
It’s an electric ROKON, woah
If Spite and Yams are interested in electric alternatives to the Zero, check out a company in Finland called Verge. They’re selling a bike that embeds the motor into the hub of the rear wheel. No drive train! Pretty cool bike. I’d love to hear what you guys think about it’s ride quality.
Yammie et al: *calls electric motorcycles a scam and announces no more dirt videos*
Volcon: "And I took that personally"
"Offroad use only"
So you're saying put a set of pedals on it and a 750 watt sticker and say it's an ebike
I agree with the points made, electric bikes should go after the moped/scooter market for urban city bikes instead of bigger bikes.
Its a no brainer.
So it's a electric rokon with less range, and 1 wheel drive. It has some potential but a long way to go before it's gonna replace its inspiration.
The potential is there to replace the Rokon. If Volcon did a dual motor-in-hub set-up, (having wires instead of jackshafts, gears, belts and/or chains would be less weight and maintenance) they certainly have a shot. However, as you mentioned, the major limiting factor is the range of the batteries.
Totally agree. Cmon, Rokon, make an EV!
Funny, I remember spite claiming the TW 200 as a nerd bike. I could’ve purchased a TW 200 in the early 90s for $900. This video makes me wish I did it!
This thing is really cool, and I 100% want one really badly in the neat future, it would be perfect for the off-grid land I bought. Would be cool if they had a street legal version, but I will still take one... or two for a friend... or three for a gang.
Looks like a blast! I'd never buy one for myself but fun just the same.
Thanks for the electric motorcycle videos!
IF we all go electric, either the technology will have to improve so much that batteries can go 500 miles (average for a day’s ride on a trip I would think), or we’re going to have to have battery depots. You know, instead of gas, you just exchange your battery and get going again. No one wants to sit for hours waiting to charge. Whoever invests in battery depots is going to make a lot of money.
We do some work for other Volcon products and they let us play with one of these. It's the closest thing to a motorcycle I've been able to ride and has me chomping at the bit to get a bike.
I could see pulling a trailer with one. You'd just need a high arching gooseneck to attach to the rear bar of the frame.
They really need to make this thing plate-able. Or... make it an 'e-bike' (like a Sur-Ron) so you can actually *use* the thing day-to-day for everyone who doesn't have a ranch.
Looks like a fun toy to take on a family car camping trip! Great intro to dirt riding for a dirt noob.
For the record……..I enjoyed the off-road content. You gotta pay the bills though. I get it.
Saw one of these at the local Kawasaki dealership. Looks like a pile of fun and manageable trail/beach blaster.
Lol those are wild. Definitely a great platform especially if they get road legal ones as well.
Also those test grounds looked like a lot of fun!
TW 200 …. After the cool factor and desire to get into e …. From a practical point …. Used TW with heavier rear and fork springs is a fun capable multi purpose trail/back roads choice
hybrid options and mainly the tech behind them would be so interesting
Didn't we say "No more Off Road Video"? ^^
Cheers from New Zealand and Kia kaha to you both!
It's the same concept as a fat tire bicycle vs even a regular mountain bike or road bike. MASSIVE knoby tires and you get ALL THE GRIP.
That thing looks really cool. I would love to modify one to use around my farm since even my wife could use it since it doesn’t require shifting. Those will definitely have a big market once more outdoors people jump onboard with electric.
This seems like a cool first generation idea that needs some refinement and price adjustment. It looks like the old Yamaha and Honda 200cc fat tire bikes from the 1980s which were super fun. The weight and price is concerning.... Those need to be lower to really impress. The swappable batteries is an awesome idea but the battering need more "oomph" to be comparable to a Coleman or other ICE style trail bike in terms of range and power. I like the idea of using it for hunting because its so quiet. Out here in California where everything is a mega fire waiting to happen, I like that this would have no hot parts or sparks to worry about (assuming it doesn't pull a Tesla and spontaneously combust...). I would also like to see a street legal version with street friendly tires. This seems like a pretty niche product in this configuration though. Also....YAY! more dirt content! I will miss the trail videos.
Looks like the modernized version of the 1980’s Yamaha big wheel series (BW350, BW200, BW80).
Check out the Ultraviollet F77.....it is not released yet but try to try it out
They should make it so you can carry a second battery pack in that space to extend range.
That is so dumb!
honestly bikes liek those with more reasonably sized tires and street legal are what the industry needs as a new wave of beginner bikes that are cheap to own, don't ever need gas, and can take the battery inside to charge. perfect for college campuses and in city commuting. not going to replace a liter bike, but even somebody with a liter bike would probably think its as fun as riding a grom.
This is cool, the Ubco 2x2 is also a very good ranch bike and it is street legal.
This gives me a lot of hope. A street setup and street legal setup are needed ASAP.
8k USD and goes 40mph no thanks, make it 7k USD and 55mph and I am a go...
the range too lol I am sure its claimed 75 miles is more like 45 miles when u go full throttle to get up to 40mph lol... fuck make it street legal damn now it is a def no go
Very interested in this topic and appreciate your vision for the future thanks!
Great review! Any thoughts about reviewing a Segway x260 or sur-on x?
I would mixte it up with an old van van 125cc 1974 with small flashers would be à greate bike on and off road .....
Very interesting. I like the idea of this for a second bike.
first impression is THAT LOOKS AWESOME!!!!!!
I love this video precisely because it gets the point of why EVs are misunderstood. They are a superior technology, but the energy density just isn't there to crunch highway miles - highway riding, especially if you want to go up to (and little bit past) the speed of traffic is *extremely* energy intensive. But the other side to that the appropriately sized battery can be charged quickly and you can literally charge them anywhere this is power. Out in the boonies with solar? Can be a problem for gas, but not for EV. For city slickers, the best application is going to be mopeds and scooters. I know it's dorky here, but I have a Burgman 200, but just to have that massive underseat storage where I can fit my backpack, groceries, a couple full faced helmets, that alone is deciding factor between whether I take my Burgman or my Zero: do I have wear a backpack? If yes, I take the Burgman and toss it under the seat instead. If I could have the Burgman in an EV package, that would *perfect* for bopping around town/errands/short commutes. And having swappable batteries is a huge boon for other applications, especially off-road.
I can't help wondering whether a transmission would help electronic bikes on the highway. The deficits tend to be speed and range, whereas low-speed torque is seldom a problem. Wouldn't this be amenable to gearing up? I wonder whether EMC bike makers are too enamored with the no-transmission model.
@@jkf9167 Well most bikes do have a single speed transmission - it's a gear reduction, hence the globs of torque. Most motors can spin silly fast, with nearly flat torque curves, and they don't have the same parasitic losses gasoline engines do where the faster they spin the more power they lose to friction. So in most cases, the benefits are insignificant if they're there at all, and if they are, the added weight and complexity of a multi-geared transmission will offset any benefit. In extreme performance applications, there can worthwhile benefits, but for most uses, a single speed is more than sufficient.
Throw some bags on it and use them for spare batteries.
1. Great review! That looks like a blast!
2. Could someone lend yam and his team 2020+ Energica to review?
My biggest problem with the dirt content is that I can’t relate to it because I’ve never tried it. And there’s 2 reasons that I almost certainly won’t any time soon: cost and time. Even if there was some sort of class near me that would rent me the gear and bike, it would probably cost at least a few hundred bucks which I’d rather spend on an exhaust, or new bars, or something that I could keep for a long time rather than an experience that only leads to spending more. I’m almost concerned that I would like riding in the dirt because that’s a rabbit hole that would cost thousands of dollars. And for time, I already feel like I don’t ride enough on my street bike so anytime that I have a free day, I’m gonna be doing that.
Theyre like 80's style honda fat tire bikes, how can you get cooler than that!?!?!? Luvs it!
Theres no doubt a potential street bike with this platform!
Josh sounds eerily close to Yamm….
Also this is beyond dope and I want one!
you guys should check out the sur ron, its pretty populair in the electric space
Keep the dirt content rolling!
Literally just posted a video saying no more dirtbike off-road adventures, Yam even said he’d veto it no matter how good the idea.
Off-road electric bike??!!!?!!
Papa Yam got that short term memory loss real quick.
Edit..I’ve gotta stop commenting before the intro plays
Basically any private land, people’s cabins, farms - places like campsites. Also electric- a lot easier to maintain. I don’t understand why they can’t make the battery both - like your bike in the video- 1 can be ( optional) permanently mounted and a spot for a smaller ( quicker charging) swap able- think about having your bike that plugs in at home- but for whatever reason isn’t charged - if you have a 7 lb swap able battery that can charge 20 miles on a house plug.... you charge at your desk, or wherever you go for peace of mind. The future is 80% of the battery on the bike , with a small swap able one for on the go.
Spike should take a look at Gogoro in Taiwan, swappable batteries on mopeds that are made like something from Apple. Loads of battery swap places around town, 80km on one charge…
Yam: sorry no more dirt content
Also Yam: oh check out this dirt content
I live in northern Nevada, we have lots of mountainous areas and would love the chance to try it out here to see life a d time it would run.
On a bicycle the front break is on the left....on a moped n some scooters it has the rear on the bars
It is a cool little bike, but, if I want to get an electric bike for the street, I'd just get a Sur Ron or Talaria. :) Cool video thou! Keep it up guys ✌️
So a battery powered Rokon it is, and that’s okay if you want to buy it. I’d go for an enduro that offers more flexibility and certainty that the manufacturer will still exist in 2 years. Regardless, it’s cool, there was forbidden dirt content on YN, it has VOL in its name, and no Royal Enfield simping today. Good job Spite and Josh.
13:54 tuck them toes in Spite!
Thank you for the dirt bike video.
I have a Grunt. It’s awesome. Trail Boss. Ninja in the woods. The new model is even better and lower cost.
I don't know if it was just me, I really feel weird watching this video on how quiet this video is....😅
Yea it's almost like the sound is off. I would need a speaker system pumping 2 stroke sounds lol.
Love these videos guys!!!!!!!
I could see using something like this on my parent's ranch, but not sure they ever would take this over their ranger. Street legal is what I look for and capable of handling my 21-mile commute with 11 of that being highway speeds.
Nice hobby ride! *But* I love ICE bikes on the street. Especially considering they give 40-60mph depending on bike and the lack of any exhaust “symphony” would take away from safety and riding experience.
The audio balancing on this video is horrible lol
8k for something that should be 4k.
And cause of the price, a Trail 125 is the best way to go in this catagory
“Cause”
@@dauntae24 - The battery is always the problem that you cant fix. The Honda Trail 125cc get you home when the weather gets wet, cold and bad. A EV-bike only dies on you.
@@Gismo3333 not every one rides in snow storms and cold weather. I get your point. But the pros are take the battery out and bring it in the house is the only thing to Winterize this. Set it in the garage for 5 years but the battery in and your ridding again. No more starting fluid, spark plugs carb cleanings/rebuilds. pistons and ring jobs. Clutches ect ect. While I will always love jumping on a 2 stroke, this still looks like a fun ride.
@@dkennylee - where do you get snow storms from?
You cant take your garage with you when you are out riding. Most people don't ride around their garage.
I don't know anybody taking their house on a camping trip ether.
Don't think you know what you are writing. what you say don't make sense.
@@Gismo3333 you were talking about "cold "weather your words. I never said anyone moved their garage. I mentioned storage. You do know what storage is right?
The ability to swap batteries will for sure make them desirable. Also, being exclusively off road with no street legality means they don't have to do shit for regulations.
Almost an electric tw200. Or I guess a bw..
That looks like a great bike for some very specific use cases.
2 days ago “no more dirt vids” today we have an electric dirt bike
Yammie noob: guys we can't keep making these off road bike videos!
Yammie noob's next video: hey guys look at this off road motorcycle!
Your right, every progression is made by small, cheap simple things that gain widespread adoption that then develop further from there, the electric bike phenomenon is backwards from the norm.
Wow what a little ripper of a bike, thats a Sasquatch catcher if ive ever seen one!
I want to see the grunt clime some hills the thing looks like it should mountain goat up everything
Uh . . . I've got a ranch . Volcon in Round Rock next door . . . Thanks Guy's
Where is the line drawn between electric bike and motorcycle?
50 hp is about 37 kW. 2 kWh battery. If you're pulling max power all the time, that's something like 4 minutes of riding. Of course you're not pulling the max power all the time so maybe something like 12 minutes of riding.
You got to put that thing up agents a Rokon 2X2.
You should check out Land Moto. Similar concept but made for the street.
Just started watching the vid and already see how the “Volcon” is an electronic Rokon..
Great for small routes
Easily swappable batteries is really what ev's are lacking. If you could pull your EV into the "power station" and a robot swapped the whole battery, just like a drill, and you were on your way, they would possibly be more viable.
I wonder how much Volton is going to charge for replacement batteries? Also how long will they even have replacements for sale? The disposeable nature of vehicles these days is pretty rampant, especially with ev's.
Thats a mini bike not a motorcycle
Its not. Its an expensive electric mini bike.
Send me one of those to Mehico!! Here I’m sure we can make it streeto legallouuu. Ahuaaaa!!
You guys should review the Surron
Amazing vid bro so I brought all these thumbs ups for ya algorithms fam 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍💯🚀👀👉💃👄