I'm an old fart, and it's so much fun to see all these cartridges come out for reasons based on marketing! It makes me feel so old though. I remember going to my local hardware store, and gazing in awe at the big center fire cartridges there, while waiting for Mr. Hunter to ring up my 50 cent .22 LR purchase. I remember the free brochures made available from Remington and Winchester! I would pour over every cartridge and compare the performance of the different rounds. Oh how I wish that one of my old brochures survived! I wish all you young people could go back in time with me, and see what hunting and shooting was all about back in the days of my youth!
I remember the same thing at the local hardware store or tackle shop ! "gazing in awe at the big center fire cartridges there " Boxes and boxes of Remington and winchester centerfire ammo
As a disabled vet and master armorer, I have owned the 6.5 Grendel about 15 years now, and 6.5 Lapua in a custom bolt gun for 10 years. In black rifles, we run the Grendel, several 5.56mm with different barrel lengths and rifle twists (one 26-inch, one 20-inch, one 14.5-inch, and the rest in 16-inch), 5.7x28mm, and one in .22LR (not including the 18-inch .50BMG on an AR lower). I have been shooting the M16/AR15 series rifles for 37 years (which includes shooting expert in the Army for 18-years). I'm not one to jump on the latest and greatest black rifle caliber of the month. I spend time doing research and verifying data and/or claims, (talked to the designer of the Grendel for 4 hours on the phone) and in many cases, we do our own testing digitally comparing the group-size/accuracy of firearms and ammunition, shooting high-speed video with our two high-speed cameras, HD Video, and even multi-point audio. this year we also added a special through the scope camera for shooting 4k point of view video of the target (and other technologies) all for social media such as the weaponeer channel. And I have to say that the 6mm ARC is the only caliber I would purchase for testing without all the "research". Why? Partly based on my own knowledge of ballistics and the black rifle and the other part based on Hornady Manufacturing's reputation being on the line. We rarely get to shoot Hornady Ammo (We would shoot 100% Hornady ammo if we could but on an Army disability pension and a limited production budget it's not possible) but if Mrs. COVID-19 hadn't cleared out our 2020 budget, you could bet your ass we would have picked up a barrel, bolt carrier assy., and Hornady ammo for a video series on the 6mm ARC testing rifle, and accuracy. and then testing 6mm ARC vs 6.5 Grendel. we would also love to test two AR's in 6mm ARC with one being Standard rifling and the other being Polygonal rifling to see if there are any advantages in bullet velocity and/or accuracy. unfortunately, it's not likely to happen this year. We have plenty of extra lowers on hand but companies want over a grand for just a complete upper these days and building one is still around $600+ each, so it gets expensive very quickly, not including the man-hours of testing and then editing! So, with no budget remaining this year, and it would consume all off (and likely more) of next year's budget, and we can't have our whole year budget-focused just on the 6mm ARC. This makes it unlikely we will get to it before everyone has videoed it to death in lessor detail, and in the clutter never find our videos. that said, I may try to build a 6mm ARC for my personal collection next year. It will be hard to justify when I already have the 6.5 Grendel, but I do like collecting accurate and fun rifles. of my AR's the Gredel is my favorite, so it would be troubling if it's accuracy was outclassed by the ARC lol.
Thank you for your service you make some very interesting points , I have also carried the M16 and own an Ar two of them one left one right handed and am intrested in changing the left since I am right handed I'm very intrested in a new cartridge like creedmore, grendal but the ARC has caught my eye.
Look at Bear Creek Arsenal for complete uppers. I bought a 350 Legend upper with bolt carrier group for $250. I've had a 6 Predator for a few years, and 6.5 Grendel for 7 or 8 years. I think the 6ARC would double the effective range for our military.
@@jeffcamp9008 It's funny, before Tom Beckstrand's "announcement" in G&A, in 2009, a test was being run at a security firm I was at (under TITANGROUP/L3--which had a jointly run DoJ/DoD PSD program protecting municipal officials in the end of 2010s era VS the DTOs hunting some of em) and holy smokes..First off, I saw the first .300BLK which, like many, I was pitching a serious tent to see such a thumper being so quietly employed (subsonic AR rounds were new to me as I was now in DFEs but not a mil veteran) but then, the 300 HAMR arrived--as no one else wanted to try it/field it...and so was the Grendel. *NO BS, NO JOKE...our fmr SOF and fmr FLE guys that ran the RATTLR (L3 COMM) teams that transported folks back then, all were trying to use the BLK or 77gr Black Hills and that was it. Then we met Bill Wilson when we went to train in Arkansas one week w/another civ firm, and we got our hands on 300 HAMR...And like the ARC from what I understand? THEY WORK IDENTICALLY. I would get either an ARC or the HAMR (both are simple barrel changes if i recall correctly, maybe a mag diff...but not extensive changes like other modular ARs) but still...If you liked the Grendel?? Here: So even on the civ IC side of the "gun work"/PSD world? We used BOTH in ACTUAL DFEs in real world conditions. Now, I was still utilizing my DPMS 5.56 14.7" rig,and I wasn't doing anything sexy or getting too kinetic as a mere 'terp/consultant and trunk monkey in the convoy, meaning I was the last victor...HOWEVER, on a few diff days, I got to experience some of our runs from Chula Vista to TJ to Nuevo Laredo all the way to even Rosario region/AO w/the Grendel in the only time being raised in anger that I know of (cue the getting laughed at) and when the 300 HAMR would run, when the Grendel would run, they all just seriously outdo even .308/7.62 does imho...No joke* By the end....without too much detail, for a scrawny, non-vet, non LE loser like me to go from being a bilingual rangemaster in San Diego to doing THAT job with those guys? Guys who taught FAST Team courses, HRT, fmr SOF and frogs etc?? They allowed me to finally put my DPMS down and try the 300 HAMR, which was identical to the Grendel imho....so when I saw them using the ARC after I'd left not long ago??? NO ONE believed that it was being used in the priv sector let alone in the very SMUs these guys had spent the 90s in!!! lol...here we are... I'm so glad the "hog hatchets" of yesteryear did exactly what we always claimed, regardless of the Dick's Sporting goods type counter-lingering snobs who harangued staff and fmr LE guys, becoming the crowd who'd scoff at us saying "77 grains?? You don't need that....I do plenty with the standard. Why do all the old phogeys need their precious .308s?? What can't you aim??" or the joke said BY guys who were fmr military to our fmr SOF (but not saying it aloud) instructors and later on, our ICs and S.Os, would be "sooo wait...you are spending all this money on .300BLK now? But before the complaint was the LACK of lethality in a .22 round the ENTIRETY of NATO uses? Wow....no wonder you couldn't hack it in the box!! bahaha!" ...ugh.. *Point is, not only does the .300 HAMR and 6mm ARC, downrange (I only speak for the HAMR), but both were tried by the firm...or at least the ARC's cousin, a round called like the "6 mil dash" or "6 mil dasher" was what the burly f....king frog and two Unit dudes called it...and they, again, were out...not at the Command anymore, but when those guys got them a few years ago, the 90s veterans I'd assisted over w/L3 were using that variant of the 6mm (and were also using the .300 HAMR vs the BLK)*
Short version: 6mm Grendel based wildcats for AR-15 platform have been popular for many years with accuracy focused reloaders and competitors. Hornady capitalized on being able to monetize the expense of paying for the SAAMI spec by working on a military project.
I think it will be a great cartridge and there is room enough in the market place for both it and the 6.5 Grendel. Just like there is room in the market for 6.5 Creed and 6 Creed. When the wind picks up, my heavy 147 eld match 6.5 Creed outperforms the 6 creed all day long, especially when hand loaded with RL 26, and velocities over 2950. But with no wind 6 Creed out does me at the matches. I do agree the 6mm ARC on paper will slightly outperform the 6.5 Grendel. However, due to the Grendel's bigger bore, it can get a little more velocity with a shorter barrel. I would like to see it on paper, the 6ARC with 108 bullet vs the 6.5 Grendel with Sierra's 107tmk BOTH out of an 18" barrel. Im betting they are neck and neck and almost exactly the same. This is the problem with the 224 Valkarie IMO is that the small-bore diameter means it needs a long barrel to burn all the powder.
I have been thinking of a 6.5CM gun, but this will be the cartridge I go with! Thanks guys for bringing this to the table. I use the SSTs in my 20ga slug gun, Critical Defense in my carry gun, and now I’ll have a 6ARC!
The 6 ARC has magazine feeding issues. Hornady is fully aware of the feeding issues, BUT HAS NOT CORRECTED THE ISSUE. ONCE THEY FIX THE MAGAZINE ISSUE IT WILL BE A GREAT LITTLE GUN... FYI....SO YOU DON'T GET BUYERS REGRET $1300.oo later.......
I’m glad to see someone finally standardized a 6 mm A.R. Wildcat variant cartridge. I have seen people have great results with the 6 mm A.R. and other 6 mm Grendel Wildcats. They should perform a lot better than the 224 Valkyrie.
Its takes a bit of engineering validation to get a SAAMI spec. Which is nice because it’s in the public domain now and you’ve got 20 barrel manufacturers and not one little shop spinning out three barrels a month. The 6AR and 6ARTurbo also have IP royalties which is why the dies and barrel reamers were so freaking expensive. And which is why they never took off.
@@dianalumos3025 - let me know if you can find a 224 Valkyrie in a gas gun that will shoot a group. Seriously. Ever tried to reload Valkyrie brass ? Good luck with that because the rims get ripped up. And 6mm has so many high BC (>500) match grade and hunting bullets as compared to 224. SOCOM went with 6mmARC for legit reasons.
@@jwhmerica504Yes! exactly my thoughts. I really hope it happens, Magpul grendel mags would be awesome. I think its almost a necessity for this cartridge to have a real chance at LE/military adoption.
I'm a sucker for new cartridges. I'll admit it. All these 'new' cartridges are really just happy mediums that fill in rather small gaps. Hey I just like that the AR can accommodate all this fun! Why not?
@@hornady: Hi guys...I love what you're doing with the long range technology...but I have a question. Why no Superformance 300 Win-Mag with an ELD-X 200gr bullet? I see you have the Precision Hunter with that bullet...but there's no reason that a 200gr bullet needs to be limited to 2850 fps. If you boys ramp that up to 2950-3000 fps...I can sell my reloading gear!
@@spraynpray Ya, it did... It beats out .308 and shoots from a rifle half the weight... And now you can buy cases of the stuff from wolf for beating around. My 12" grendel is my favorite 'overall' gun. Light, accurate, mean, keeps a 123 grain slug supersonic past 900 yards What's not to like.
@@phantommaggotxxx 6.5 Grendel shoots bullets with worse BC than 308 and shoots them slower. It does NOT outperform 308. 6 ARC does outrange 308 though, and has better BCs.
@Hornady Manufacturing What's going to be done for a budget ammo option? The 6.5 Grendel has a $0.24 to the current panic buy price of $0.28 a round with Wolf. That's a huge factor in not only getting people into it but keeping them into it. So will there be a $0.22 to $0.30 a round option for the 6mm ARC, even if its offered in a steel case?
Good question. I fantasize about a 6mm AR pistol, rather than a 5.56... a more true do everything round. If a good 6mm AR or AR pistol is produced I could see 6mm ammo prices coming down due to the popularity. As a recon Marine, I longed for a 6mm rifle and cartridge to be adopted... That would really make it affordable for civilians and potentially turn every Marine rifleman into something of a sniper.
I kinda like this cartridge for an AR 15 round. Most AR 15 shooters won't carry a 24" barrel. It cannot beat the 308 with the new bullets and powders. Their 6 ARC 18" barrel was down 150 fps, and my 18" 308 will exceed their velocity with similar B.C. on the bullet. And they lose alot more velocity with the light bullets and a 16" barrel some over 500 fps if that's of interest to you. My 18" AR 10 will run hybrids 168 .515 BC at 2787 ave., highest velocity 2815. Plus its capable of 10 shot groups just inside one inch...but its heavier...but also alot more versatile...with tracers, armor piercing, cheap components, and ammo available everywhere. But it has ar 15 merit if the barrel is at least 18 or 20 inches..imo. I also built a long action detachable magazine rifle 30" Bartlein barrel, 2 oz trigger that shoots 200 grain crimped nose Sierra MK .715 B.C. at 2850 fps top near 2900 fps. Over 3600 ft/ lbs if energy from a 308 case...and it exceeds the 300 PRC factory loads in 26" factory barrels when chronographed, plus the 308 case can shoot tiny 10 shot groups..
If it’s like a 6.5 G it operates at 50 ksi vs the 60-65 ksi most bolt guns operate at. Much longer life than the bolt action 6mm counterparts are notorious for
@18:35 The Hornady guy said "it will do everything that every other cartridge will do in an AR-15 can do, better." So... is there a Subsonic load that will cycle semiauto like the 300 Blackout?
I have always been a fan of the 6mm. I never understood why the military went with a .224 bullet. Evern a 5.56 necked out to 6mm seems like a better cartridge.
That's the way I would have gone with a new cartridge. Bolt and magazine compatibility would remain. Just need the barrel upgrade. Also keep the chamber pressure at 55kPSI. Want those bullets to be able to go zoom!
In an AR15: -224 bullets are Baby Bear -264 bullets are Papa Bear -243 bullets are juuuuuuuuust right Also papa bear likes ice cream a little too much and runs really slow.
stated on hornady's site for factory loads 108 gr eld 2750 fps 1813 ft/lb sectional density .261 B.C .531 vs 6.5 prc eld 143 gr 2950 fps 2782 ft/lb sectional density .293 B.C .625 vs 6.5 123 gr eld 2580 fps 1818 ft/lb sectional density .252 B.C .506. I have a hard time believing arc is better both on paper and actual results my prediction is this will be another flop like valkyrie.
It's really just them trying to make a proprietary cartridge, problem is, if they don't make it widely affordable it won't grow. 6.5 Grendel is it's parent case, and rather than letting magazine makers get the final kink out of the system, they went and downsized the cartridge slightly making it cost way more than fixing a magazine.
The "gas" guns pressure rating is reduced specifically because the bolt is extremely thin around the lugs and will break under higher pressures. 6.5 Grendel has faced this issue for a long time.
Ok guys, glad you looked at the trend of folks using 6.5 Grendel, 6mm Grendel and 224 Grendel ....Can you please just go ahead and introduce the 224 ARC .....NO WAY ITS NOT READY TO GO.
@@sendit2873 Not for the 'basics', but for the rest of us that dont rely on walmart for ammo, available for over a decade. You don't actually think Hornady invented this do you? Hahahahaha.
The only possible downsides I see are 1) the thin bolt head rim to fit the 220 Russian-sized base, and 2) the Mags. The new bolt head rim is considerably thinner than the 5,56 rim and has not been combat tested. The Mags? Good mags almost always need tweaking. What happens if you have to do some mag dumps in a tight situation? Will they feed properly and will the thin rim hold up under a lot of heat and stress? Don't know if they will be issues.... Thoughts?
Great cartridge... you mentioned PPC and glassed over it, but throw Palmisano and Pindel a little shade since you stood on their shoulders and made almost the exact same round under a new name.
that round is a long range round as is the 6.5 grendel but for some reason people still want a cheep ass steel rd so they can do mag dumps and put 500 rds at paper every week which is the saddest gun owners in my opinion if you are not buying top notch brass match rounds to shoot maximum accuracy at long range you are wasting your money and time
@@sendit2873 well people want a 6mm AR15 to replace the 5.56 for run and guns and tactical training also so they need an Affordable round to do that. It's not stupid.
Recognizing it is a hobby for everyone, I just don’t see the need for a 6.5 PRC vs the CM. My CM gives me all the stopping power I need on deer sized game at ethical hunting ranges. If I wanted to hunt a bigger animal like an Elk, I’d want a bigger diameter bullet but that’s just me. Interesting video.
It’ll group a hell of a lot better than that shit show 224 Valkyrie that’s for sure. And 6.5 or 6.8 out of the AR15 form factor was too slow for SOCOM apparently
@C-Bomb - I have THREE AR-10's. And they are a hell of a lot heavier and longer than an AR-15. Your average AR-10 weighs at least 3.5 pounds more than an AR-15. Not to mention the extra weight and bulk of the ammo. It's not the small variance that you think it is. DoD asked for the 6mmARC. It's their spec. It's their Barrett Rec7's. Apparently they liked it enough to buy it.
+Peter Southern Boy The POF Revolution DI is almost as light as an AR-15. I’m not certain but I think it’s based on the DPMS AR-10 Gen 2 pattern, which I’ve handled before and it’s a toy. Can’t believe .308s are that light now.
HORNADY...FIX THE MAGAZINE.... Mine when I shoot slow, it tried to double feed. When I shoot fast, NO FEED ISSUES. THE OTHER ISSUE I AM EXPERIENCING IS ALTERNATING GROUPING.... VERY FRUSTRATING! We need a magazine fix; just like what Ruger did with the 6.5 creedmoore....
The bolt issue has been fixed for quite awhile. If you join a Grendel group and ask around the guys will tell you why better than I could. You have to get one from a quality company though.
Hornady, I gotta know: When are we going to get the 8.6 Blackout/Creedmoor? AR10 pistols are really hot right now. I'm saving up for one as well speak. And this appears to be the ideal AR10 pistol cartridge.
AR 10 pistols are ballistically useless. In range recently did a great video demonstrating that 7.62x39 is better suited for pistol platform than .308/ 6.5cm
Ar 10 pistols yes, no need for such a large cartridge just to limit it with such a short barrel. However, taking a large bore pistol round and putting it in a longer barrel is the way to go for a pistol setup. More barrel than a standard pistol means more velocity, means more power. An ar 10 in pistol format I agree is stupid.
BTW not to many civilians can use this platform because its now only military and police . Especially in Canada with new regulations and in usa to come. So thats useless. Make it in a non restricted short bolt action then ppl will possible believe in this new available cartridge. Cheers
It’s a pudloaded .243 Win, but with no lightweight loads available yet. .243 Win: 105gr bullet @ 3025 FPS, 2134 ft lbs 6mm ARC: 105gr @ 2750 FPS, 1763 ft lbs Until I can swap nothing but the barrel on an AR15 and get .30-06 ballistics using my .223 mags, new AR15 calibers do not interest me at all. There are too many that are marginally different from the next and that only exist for marketing, and as far as I can tell, this one is no different.
I think it is hilarious that suddenly the 6mm is a powerful "big game cartridge" when for years we have been told the .243 Win was under powered for deer hunting. Now that everyone has an AR platform the .223/556 is now even acceptable.
And 6.5 CM is a legit 600 yard elk cartridge at 600 🙄. Meanwhile my tired old 30-06 hits at 500 with 1800 ft/lbs. it’s basically been relegated to dispatching wounded sparrows
After having shot n stuffed into my freezer like 17 elk with a .243 now apparently I understand its not adq.for elk? Im confused , I pull trigger, speer grandslam goes thud, elk falls over very dead ...
Keep in mind it's about knowing your limitations and the limitations if your weapon. With that being said projectiles and powder have seen improvement in recent years and its lead to a bunch of new rounds.
@@Jakes93yj My dad still had his .243 Remington 700 ADL and with Speer 85gr. BTHP with 41.3 gr. of IMR 4350 it holds .4 MOA from a bench. We routinely bust water bottles at 300 yds. with ease. The funny thing is to watch them explode in the scope before you feel the recoil of the gun lol. Great for deer, goats and sheep also. Just remember all the gun magazines from the 80's and 90's saying you needed a magnum cartridge to kill anything bigger than a coyote for so many years when they were trying to sell those guns for the industry. Now that the AR is all the rage 556/223 is a medium game cartridge. I have shot a couple sick/wounded deer and one pissed off bull with my duty AR but they were head shots at close range. Not ideal but they worked. It's all about shot placement. If you cant hit the vitals it's just fine.
Advance rifle cartage now that is funny it's nothing more than a glorified 7.62 x 39 . The 6mm ARC’s parent case is the 6.5 Grendel, which takes its lineage from the .220 Russian and 7.62mm Soviet. Since Hornady was the first ammo maker to get behind the 6.5 Grendel in a big way, it was an easy transition to the new round. As an offspring of the Soviet 7.62×39, the 6mm ARC get some of the shared battlefield cred, too.
I couldn’t help but notice how they had to dance around the 6.5 Grendel on the cartridge comparison. I am curious how this will translate over into real world applications. But the Grendel for military, law enforcement, and hunting any day over this.
You say you can use 6.5 bolts -- but there are two types of 6.5 bolts: type I and type II. Most manufacturers (of barrels/chambers) seem to have settled on "Type II." I own numerous 6.5 Grendel chambered rifles; all are chambered in the Type II arrangement. Are you expecting/recommending manufacturer's to utilize the "Type II" scenario? If so, then I can use my bolts that I already have.
That’s strange about not being able to shoot a 90 grain bullet or bigger through a 243 win. I loaded up some 90 grain ELD-X in a 243 and had a sub moa group with a old school 788.
Yeah have no idea what they are talking about. I have hornady American whitetail ammo in .243 win that is 100 gr and shoots just fine from my bolt gun I had since I was 10.
Sorry you guys lost me at 6.5 Grendel Bolt. You're going to run into the same problem the Grendel has which is shaving down a 5.56 Bolt face to run it that's a no-go for me and that's definitely a no-go for the military. Unless you build an AR around a specific cartridge its not going to pass the smell test. LWRC is the only company that stepped up and built in AR-15 around a cartridge which is the 6.8spc
That problem is fixable with better design and materials. With the increasing popularity of cartridges sized for the 6.5 Grendel bolt I think these problems will be overcome soon with newer products on the market. However I agree that if we scrapped compatibility and went to proprietary rifle designed around the cartridge then we can have the ideal cartridge and rifle performance. But it sure is expensive and inconvenient. Maybe if these cartridges get popular enough we'll see new ARs that are slightly larger than AR-15s but smaller than AR-10s. That's what would be perfect for 6mm cartridges with ideal velocities. The Grendel variants (including 6mm ARC) are as much as we can squeeze into the AR-15 but if there was more breathing room they would be better cartridges and the rifles would be more reliable. The ballistic king as I see it right now is the 6GT (almost a 6mm Dasher but it feeds better, similar to 6x47mm Lapua but it's more forgiving when developing loads) unless you go up to a much more powerful cartridge like the 6.5mm PRC. Unfortunately the best 6mm cartridges are just slightly more than the AR-15 can handle, which is why we have almost-there compromise cartridges for the AR-15 including the 6mm ARC. It's a great compromise but even as they say in this video it can only be "90%" of the performance of the best 6mm rounds like the 6GT and 6mm Dasher. If we had a slightly larger AR and magazine we could get 100% of the performance without having to go to a much larger AR-10 designed for .308 Winchester. For now, I think I'm willing so sacrifice 200fps to get a AR-15 instead of an AR-10 but AR-10s are getting so much better and more compact that I'm not so sure I even want to sacrifice that 200fps. Maybe I don't need a rifle lighter and handier than a POF Rogue, which is pretty much an AR-15 that takes 7.62x51 mags. But those mags are bigger and heavier with less capacity. 6mm ARC seems "good enough" to enable the AR-15 to pretty much "do it all" except hunt big game (not including medium game like deer for which it is fine with good bullets) and shoot with terminal effect at very long range. Doubling the effective range of the AR-15 without crippling it's ability in close quarters is a real accomplishment and a superb balance even if I want that last slight edge of Dasher performance (it's hard not to want the very best). If I need more power to hit further, I'll consider 6.5 Creedmoor or 6.5 PRC. The 6.5 PRC is probably a better companion to the 6mm ARC since they're not as similarly powered, though I prefer autoloaders. But it's very appealing to me that the 6mm has so little recoil that the rifle is much more versatile. No other SAAMI cartridge with external ballistics this good has so little recoil, making it a very versatile cartridge. Long range is fun but we all know most real-world shots are taken within 300 meters. With 6mm ARC, I don't need to substantially sacrifice performance at 0-300m where it matters most to get the ability to accurately place longer shots. I expect a good 6mm ARC gun to be effective at 500-600m and capable of hitting accurately but weakly beyond that.
Sounds like a good choice for target shooters who shoot a lot. You lost the hunter who is looking for more knock down power. If that is the case I would choose the 224 Valkyre. There is no such thing as a " do everything cartridge"
True, but it is the search for the most "do everything cartridge" that is driving better performance. For many shooters there are calibers that do everything they want it to do.
Me at the Car Dealership: "I don't want a salesma... Person talking me into buying that car and ALL the extras." Me while watching this video: "Tell me more about why I need this caliber and how my life will be complete!" Wife to me after I make her watch this video: "Ok, but not until you finish your 300 BLK OUT build."
This cartilage should have more support from ammo manufacturers and magazine companies if it's going to be successful. It has massive potential. Better than 6.5 Grendel in every way.
Not exactly. Grendel can fire a larger range of bullets. Has cheaper ammo. And 6.5grendel is popular worldwide. 6arc will be a usa hornady made cartridge only
@@hornady well in that case, by ALL means take advantage of the "free money" gifted by taxpayers via DoD. We both know %90 of wildcat cartridges end up collecting dust in the back of the gun safe when the "new and improved" polish wears off. Great marketing tho!👍
Hornady Manufacturing can’t argue with that! I’m just bummed not to see any cartridge manufacturers breaking the mold with anything in 7mm! Especially SIG coming out with their new lot gun & STEEL case head. They opted for a 270.
@C-Bomb I know it bugs the shit out of me that they all use 24 inch test barrels for everything. Its understandable for bolt action hunting rifles but at least list the numbers for 20,18,16, and 10 inch barrels on your website.
Why would I get a 6 ARC when the 6.5 Grendel is already an established cartridge that does essentially everything the ARC will do other than maybe being as good at paper punching, and it will use the same projectiles as the bigger 6.5 creed that’s already massively popular. As far as systems are concerned, if I stock up on 1000 projectiles of 120-140 gr. 6.5, I can use it in both and get great performance without having to use a separate projectile and use the same ballistic calculations with a change in velocity.
Why does the Army need a 1,000-yard bullet? We won two world wars with open-sight rifles sighted-in for 300 yards. And we certainly don’t need that bullet for hunting. Any hunter trying to bring down game over 300 yards away will usually miss.
Will be interesting to see what barrel life would be in a premium cut-rifled barrel. My dedicated prone rifles in 6BR UBL w/105gr VLD's (2985fps) would start to give up that guilt-edge accuracy at 1700rds and start pitching wild 9's at 600yds after 2000rds. My guess is that under similar conditions (slow-fire prone), these should go 2200+ rds using available 103-105gr projectiles. Where this cartridge will REALLY shine is in the NRA Tactical Prone class (if they still are involved in competitions). The NRA Highpower Committee in their infinite stupidity, has allowed ANY caliber instead of restricting the game to the 223/556 caliber that 95% of AR15 safe queens use (THE people the game was intended to draw). As a result, this would be the exact caliber of all available that I would campaign to consistently win that game...my opinion.
I’ll take faster bullet with higher BC’s. This is what the 6.5 Grendel SHOULD have been. The 6.5 never had the velocity required to attract DoD and long range match shooters in the AR15 form factor.
@@petersouthernboy6327 but still has more energy than a 308 at 1000yds and is still super sonic at 1000yrds I have had awesome results at 1200 yds with a 22in barrel 6.5 grendel
Wait, you mean Switzerland, Japan, & France had it right roughly 100yrs ago? Who'da guessed projo w/ 1Km capability using irons would be well suited for modernizing...
@@devinbrown7426 I don't know what you shoot but premium factory ammo is usually $40+ dollars per 20, so yes I would say that's pretty cheap. I was just guessing around $30, so maybe it's only going to be $26 ?. It's not blasting ammo knowing Hornady it's precision long range type ammo.
The only weak link is that the magazine functionality needs to get sorted. Hopefully SOCOM did that. IMO the 6mm will not have the accuracy variance issues that plague 224 Valkyrie
My biggest question for the last 10 years: "Why the heck isn't Hornady or someone doing a proper 6mm cartridge for the AR15?" Guess that's been answered!
Hornady, fix the magazine feed issues. It takes time; BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT LISTENING TO THE CUSTOMERS WHO BOUGHT YOUR PRODUCT....THE MAGAZINE TRY TO DOUBLE FEED THE ROUNDS. IT ALSO SENDS THE CARTRIDGES ON TO STEEP OF A ANGLE TO CORRECTLY ADVANCE INTO THE CHAMBER ..... FLAWLESSLY.... FIX THE MAGAZINES, HORNADY. ...
This is what the 6.5 Grendel SHOULD have been. The 6.5 never had the velocity required to attract DoD and long range match shooters in the AR15 form factor.
Why do they keep saying the 6mm ARC carries more rounds than the AR 10 .308? I have 25 round magazines for my .308. The ARC uses Grendel mags with 25 or 26 round capacities. I don't see the ARC having to reload less than the .308. I know 20 round is standard. But if round count is important to you, 25 round mags are available. Everything else they have listed is a benefit of the ARC over a .308. Good looking round. Looking forward to getting one. But don't use inaccurate information as a benefit.
@@zachphirman6219 This has similar traits to the 6.5 Grendel and has been stated will do quite fine in short barrel applications. Just like the 6.5 Grendel does.
@@hornady So without reloading, affordable ammo for high volume shooting is just off the table? I understand not drawing attention away from your premium offerings, but you're going to cost yourselves more money than you make in doing so with the AR crowd. AR's are the "cookie monster" of the firearms world. If the cartridge is successful, it will be BECAUSE 8-10 dollar boxes are available. Period.
@@mattfleming86 who would do high volume shooting with a round that is made for precision long range does everyone think an ar15 is for mag dumps and who can fire faster and the round is made for military first so it is very successful without civilian use since the army is using this rnd in their new weapons
@@sendit2873 High volume does not necessarily mean mag dumps. High volume means being able to spend a day ringing steel out to 1000, instead of spending an less than an hour with 2 boxes of high end match and having to go home. Hornady understands this with their "black" and "frontier" line in other calibers. It is an absolute necessity for caliber success.. and after 1 year, developing better chamber dimensions/reamers also is going to be necessary for success. MANY barrels built off of the hornady chamber dimensions are struggling with accuracy.. which relegates them to "mag dumpers" in the end anyways. I truly hope this cartridge works out. If it does, it will be my next AR caliber (or maybe even a bolt gun now with a custom reamed barrel) but teething issues are delaying that purchase.
This is what the 6.5 Grendel SHOULD have been. The 6.5 never had the velocity required to attract DoD and long range match shooters in the AR15 form factor.
@@davidlong6796 easy game: tell me why you'd spend hundreds of dollars gearing up for a 6mm projectile to go 800 yards? Gonna hunt mean bears with a 6mm @ 900? Yaks @ 1000?
So the 6mmAR (I have one) that was mentioned is purely a necked down 6.5 Grendel - why not just standardize the 6mmAR instead of just pushing the shoulder back by 0.025" and calling it the 6mm ARC? Don't get me wrong I like the cartridge - just wondering why so much design time was spent to push the should back ever so slightly on a perfectly capable wildcat that's been out there for some time and call it a "new" cartridge? Not trying to be a jerk - just wondering why?
I appreciate the reply from Yamaha 45 but would Hornady please verify the magazine info? As Daniel Youngblood mentioned, it was glossed over in the video starting at around the 17:42 mark.
I use a 6.5 Grendel magazine for both 6mm Grendel and 22 Grendel ... Had to lightly file the lips to not cut my brass and since they just copied the work of a bunch of guys making 6mm Grendels it should be fine. Way to go Hornady ... Real innovative ... I guess easier to take others work
@@Matteo_ it's a newly released round. I think its safe to assume AKs have been chambered in previous ones have been chambered in the various 6mm and 6.5mm cartridges. One more is fine in my book. Besides, variety is the spice of life 😊
Hello all. Pretty new to rifle shooting. I have a Sig M400 chambered in 5.56 and .223. What mods will I have to do to accomodate this new round? Thank you.
@@sendit2873 no you misunderstand, what is the real point of the round 1 year ago. Now with the Ammo ban yes this might have some potential, but otherwise nothing really advantageous about it.
Can you make better 223 fmj bullets. I had some old hornady 55gr and they look way better then the current. They have a way better tip. I don't understand why they have become more and more round. It's a little change but could help improve a huge seller already.
@@MrDillaKilla ..... the two cartridges are listed as type 1 & type 2... for bolt specs. not interchangeable. 7.62x39= .125 bolt face depth. 6 ARC= .136 bolt face depth.
One of the problem areas of 6.5 Grendel is the different bolt specs with the clambering. If I have a type II 6.5 G bolt, will I be able to use it with a 6 ARC chambered barrel?
So for the AR15 what is the best all around BARREL length for shooting out to 800M and also being used as Deer and Hog rifle??. I'm sold on this 6mm ARC..I just wanna get it right the first time when I build this upper . I wanna try and get 400ft pounds of energy at 600 yardsor close to it and have at least 800ft pounds at 250 yards . I'm not gonna hand Load. Realistically I'm gonna be using Black Line and ELDX ammo and that's it ..
I believe you should have designed the 6mm arc around a 16" inch or shorter barrel, for modularity and a smaller package, and from a tactical and self defence perspective in my opinion, that is the whole point in developing a new cartridge. not longer barrels. just my opinion no offense intended
Adoption doesnt mean anything in the context that they are using it. Crane is probably the entity that requested it. This wasnt built to suit them but it sure is a great marketing tool. This has been in the works for a while and wont be replacing anything for another long while. The logistics systems in even i special operations is ridiculous.
Will ammunition proposed for military use be made available to the civilian market? Somehow I don't see the DoD suddenly upping to 6mm anything. What civilians need now is a military grade cartridge. I don't mean law enforcement either.
what magazines work best with this? i would love this in my go-to rifle however none of the magazines on the market are reliable enough for defensive purposes. anything you can share about what the DoD did to overcome the sketchy reliability of 6.5 grendel mags?
Basically the 6 arc has the shoulder pushed back .030" to allow for the longer VLD style bullets to still fit AR15 mag length. A 6 Grendel or 6mmAR "would" have a little more case capacity.
I'm an old fart, and it's so much fun to see all these cartridges come out for reasons based on marketing! It makes me feel so old though.
I remember going to my local hardware store, and gazing in awe at the big center fire cartridges there, while waiting for Mr. Hunter to ring up my 50 cent .22 LR purchase.
I remember the free brochures made available from Remington and Winchester! I would pour over every cartridge and compare the performance of the different rounds.
Oh how I wish that one of my old brochures survived!
I wish all you young people could go back in time with me, and see what hunting and shooting was all about back in the days of my youth!
I remember the same thing at the local hardware store or tackle shop ! "gazing in awe at the big center fire cartridges there "
Boxes and boxes of Remington and winchester centerfire ammo
As a disabled vet and master armorer, I have owned the 6.5 Grendel about 15 years now, and 6.5 Lapua in a custom bolt gun for 10 years. In black rifles, we run the Grendel, several 5.56mm with different barrel lengths and rifle twists (one 26-inch, one 20-inch, one 14.5-inch, and the rest in 16-inch), 5.7x28mm, and one in .22LR (not including the 18-inch .50BMG on an AR lower). I have been shooting the M16/AR15 series rifles for 37 years (which includes shooting expert in the Army for 18-years). I'm not one to jump on the latest and greatest black rifle caliber of the month. I spend time doing research and verifying data and/or claims, (talked to the designer of the Grendel for 4 hours on the phone) and in many cases, we do our own testing digitally comparing the group-size/accuracy of firearms and ammunition, shooting high-speed video with our two high-speed cameras, HD Video, and even multi-point audio. this year we also added a special through the scope camera for shooting 4k point of view video of the target (and other technologies) all for social media such as the weaponeer channel. And I have to say that the 6mm ARC is the only caliber I would purchase for testing without all the "research". Why? Partly based on my own knowledge of ballistics and the black rifle and the other part based on Hornady Manufacturing's reputation being on the line. We rarely get to shoot Hornady Ammo (We would shoot 100% Hornady ammo if we could but on an Army disability pension and a limited production budget it's not possible) but if Mrs. COVID-19 hadn't cleared out our 2020 budget, you could bet your ass we would have picked up a barrel, bolt carrier assy., and Hornady ammo for a video series on the 6mm ARC testing rifle, and accuracy. and then testing 6mm ARC vs 6.5 Grendel. we would also love to test two AR's in 6mm ARC with one being Standard rifling and the other being Polygonal rifling to see if there are any advantages in bullet velocity and/or accuracy. unfortunately, it's not likely to happen this year. We have plenty of extra lowers on hand but companies want over a grand for just a complete upper these days and building one is still around $600+ each, so it gets expensive very quickly, not including the man-hours of testing and then editing! So, with no budget remaining this year, and it would consume all off (and likely more) of next year's budget, and we can't have our whole year budget-focused just on the 6mm ARC. This makes it unlikely we will get to it before everyone has videoed it to death in lessor detail, and in the clutter never find our videos. that said, I may try to build a 6mm ARC for my personal collection next year. It will be hard to justify when I already have the 6.5 Grendel, but I do like collecting accurate and fun rifles. of my AR's the Gredel is my favorite, so it would be troubling if it's accuracy was outclassed by the ARC lol.
Thank you for your service you make some very interesting points , I have also carried the M16 and own an Ar two of them one left one right handed and am intrested in changing the left since I am right handed I'm very intrested in a new cartridge like creedmore, grendal but the ARC has caught my eye.
Look at Bear Creek Arsenal for complete uppers. I bought a 350 Legend upper with bolt carrier group for $250. I've had a 6 Predator for a few years, and 6.5 Grendel for 7 or 8 years. I think the 6ARC would double the effective range for our military.
@@jeffcamp9008 It's funny, before Tom Beckstrand's "announcement" in G&A, in 2009, a test was being run at a security firm I was at (under TITANGROUP/L3--which had a jointly run DoJ/DoD PSD program protecting municipal officials in the end of 2010s era VS the DTOs hunting some of em) and holy smokes..First off, I saw the first .300BLK which, like many, I was pitching a serious tent to see such a thumper being so quietly employed (subsonic AR rounds were new to me as I was now in DFEs but not a mil veteran) but then, the 300 HAMR arrived--as no one else wanted to try it/field it...and so was the Grendel.
*NO BS, NO JOKE...our fmr SOF and fmr FLE guys that ran the RATTLR (L3 COMM) teams that transported folks back then, all were trying to use the BLK or 77gr Black Hills and that was it. Then we met Bill Wilson when we went to train in Arkansas one week w/another civ firm, and we got our hands on 300 HAMR...And like the ARC from what I understand? THEY WORK IDENTICALLY. I would get either an ARC or the HAMR (both are simple barrel changes if i recall correctly, maybe a mag diff...but not extensive changes like other modular ARs) but still...If you liked the Grendel?? Here: So even on the civ IC side of the "gun work"/PSD world? We used BOTH in ACTUAL DFEs in real world conditions. Now, I was still utilizing my DPMS 5.56 14.7" rig,and I wasn't doing anything sexy or getting too kinetic as a mere 'terp/consultant and trunk monkey in the convoy, meaning I was the last victor...HOWEVER, on a few diff days, I got to experience some of our runs from Chula Vista to TJ to Nuevo Laredo all the way to even Rosario region/AO w/the Grendel in the only time being raised in anger that I know of (cue the getting laughed at) and when the 300 HAMR would run, when the Grendel would run, they all just seriously outdo even .308/7.62 does imho...No joke*
By the end....without too much detail, for a scrawny, non-vet, non LE loser like me to go from being a bilingual rangemaster in San Diego to doing THAT job with those guys? Guys who taught FAST Team courses, HRT, fmr SOF and frogs etc?? They allowed me to finally put my DPMS down and try the 300 HAMR, which was identical to the Grendel imho....so when I saw them using the ARC after I'd left not long ago??? NO ONE believed that it was being used in the priv sector let alone in the very SMUs these guys had spent the 90s in!!! lol...here we are... I'm so glad the "hog hatchets" of yesteryear did exactly what we always claimed, regardless of the Dick's Sporting goods type counter-lingering snobs who harangued staff and fmr LE guys, becoming the crowd who'd scoff at us saying "77 grains?? You don't need that....I do plenty with the standard. Why do all the old phogeys need their precious .308s?? What can't you aim??" or the joke said BY guys who were fmr military to our fmr SOF (but not saying it aloud) instructors and later on, our ICs and S.Os, would be "sooo wait...you are spending all this money on .300BLK now? But before the complaint was the LACK of lethality in a .22 round the ENTIRETY of NATO uses? Wow....no wonder you couldn't hack it in the box!! bahaha!" ...ugh..
*Point is, not only does the .300 HAMR and 6mm ARC, downrange (I only speak for the HAMR), but both were tried by the firm...or at least the ARC's cousin, a round called like the "6 mil dash" or "6 mil dasher" was what the burly f....king frog and two Unit dudes called it...and they, again, were out...not at the Command anymore, but when those guys got them a few years ago, the 90s veterans I'd assisted over w/L3 were using that variant of the 6mm (and were also using the .300 HAMR vs the BLK)*
@@COYDOGSBAND I’m not sure if I’m more amazed you typed all that out...or that I took the time to read it.
6 ARC is probably the sweetest of spots right now.
I'm glad to see cartridge makers stop designing throat eating magnum cartridges. It's not like wild game has developed armor...
a trick : you can watch movies at Flixzone. I've been using it for watching all kinds of movies these days.
@Marcus Dylan definitely, I've been watching on flixzone} for months myself :D
Short version: 6mm Grendel based wildcats for AR-15 platform have been popular for many years with accuracy focused reloaders and competitors. Hornady capitalized on being able to monetize the expense of paying for the SAAMI spec by working on a military project.
every top company tries for military contracts hornady has done many over the years
I think it will be a great cartridge and there is room enough in the market place for both it and the 6.5 Grendel. Just like there is room in the market for 6.5 Creed and 6 Creed. When the wind picks up, my heavy 147 eld match 6.5 Creed outperforms the 6 creed all day long, especially when hand loaded with RL 26, and velocities over 2950. But with no wind 6 Creed out does me at the matches. I do agree the 6mm ARC on paper will slightly outperform the 6.5 Grendel. However, due to the Grendel's bigger bore, it can get a little more velocity with a shorter barrel. I would like to see it on paper, the 6ARC with 108 bullet vs the 6.5 Grendel with Sierra's 107tmk BOTH out of an 18" barrel. Im betting they are neck and neck and almost exactly the same. This is the problem with the 224 Valkarie IMO is that the small-bore diameter means it needs a long barrel to burn all the powder.
I have been thinking of a 6.5CM gun, but this will be the cartridge I go with! Thanks guys for bringing this to the table. I use the SSTs in my 20ga slug gun, Critical Defense in my carry gun, and now I’ll have a 6ARC!
I have a bridge to sell you, cheap
The 6 ARC has magazine feeding issues. Hornady is fully aware of the feeding issues, BUT HAS NOT CORRECTED THE ISSUE. ONCE THEY FIX THE MAGAZINE ISSUE IT WILL BE A GREAT LITTLE GUN...
FYI....SO YOU DON'T GET BUYERS REGRET $1300.oo later.......
I’m glad to see someone finally standardized a 6 mm A.R. Wildcat variant cartridge. I have seen people have great results with the 6 mm A.R. and other 6 mm Grendel Wildcats. They should perform a lot better than the 224 Valkyrie.
Its takes a bit of engineering validation to get a SAAMI spec. Which is nice because it’s in the public domain now and you’ve got 20 barrel manufacturers and not one little shop spinning out three barrels a month. The 6AR and 6ARTurbo also have IP royalties which is why the dies and barrel reamers were so freaking expensive. And which is why they never took off.
@@petersouthernboy6327 That is what kept me from building a 6AR. And I turn my own barrels!
but it doesnt out perform 224 valkyrie
@@dianalumos3025 - let me know if you can find a 224 Valkyrie in a gas gun that will shoot a group. Seriously. Ever tried to reload Valkyrie brass ? Good luck with that because the rims get ripped up. And 6mm has so many high BC (>500) match grade and hunting bullets as compared to 224. SOCOM went with 6mmARC for legit reasons.
Affordable BULK ammo. If the barrel life is what they claim this should be a great medium to long rang cartridge.
Guess I will order a 80% lower today and get started milling it out. 🙂
I wish we had proprietary lowers and magazines for this cartridge family. Like the lwrc 6.8 stuff but not at a lwrc price.
*buys a 80% receiver so the government can't keep track.....
*Blabs about it on TH-cam
I have a bridge to sell you, cheap
@@jwhmerica504Yes! exactly my thoughts. I really hope it happens, Magpul grendel mags would be awesome. I think its almost a necessity for this cartridge to have a real chance at LE/military adoption.
@@JohnBlaze505 buys a 80% lower because i like building my own. I also own 4 ARs and 2 AR10s that were purchased as complete rifles. TH-cam dumbasses
I'm a sucker for new cartridges. I'll admit it. All these 'new' cartridges are really just happy mediums that fill in rather small gaps. Hey I just like that the AR can accommodate all this fun! Why not?
Looks like I'll have to make more room in my safe.......
Us too!
Nope going to have to get another safe.
@@RegularGunGuy We have those too HaHa
@@hornady: Hi guys...I love what you're doing with the long range technology...but I have a question. Why no Superformance 300 Win-Mag with an ELD-X 200gr bullet? I see you have the Precision Hunter with that bullet...but there's no reason that a 200gr bullet needs to be limited to 2850 fps. If you boys ramp that up to 2950-3000 fps...I can sell my reloading gear!
@@Master...deBater I think it's because they don't want 300wm's factory loads competing with 300 PRC just a guess tho.
Virtually the same verbiage used when describing the 6.5 Grendel.
Mo different...
Mo better...
Mo need to get latest offering.
True, but 6.5 grendel didn't back up the hype.
@@spraynpray
Ya, it did...
It beats out .308 and shoots from a rifle half the weight...
And now you can buy cases of the stuff from wolf for beating around.
My 12" grendel is my favorite 'overall' gun. Light, accurate, mean, keeps a 123 grain slug supersonic past 900 yards
What's not to like.
@@phantommaggotxxx 6.5 Grendel shoots bullets with worse BC than 308 and shoots them slower. It does NOT outperform 308. 6 ARC does outrange 308 though, and has better BCs.
phantommaggotxxx you’re pulling yourself if you think a 6.5 Grendel beats a 308 in anyway other than recoil.
@Hornady Manufacturing What's going to be done for a budget ammo option? The 6.5 Grendel has a $0.24 to the current panic buy price of $0.28 a round with Wolf. That's a huge factor in not only getting people into it but keeping them into it. So will there be a $0.22 to $0.30 a round option for the 6mm ARC, even if its offered in a steel case?
Good question. I fantasize about a 6mm AR pistol, rather than a 5.56... a more true do everything round. If a good 6mm AR or AR pistol is produced I could see 6mm ammo prices coming down due to the popularity. As a recon Marine, I longed for a 6mm rifle and cartridge to be adopted... That would really make it affordable for civilians and potentially turn every Marine rifleman into something of a sniper.
@@MrBurdinekl S/F Devil
@@Matteo_ Semper Fi
No it will never be cheap. And it wont be popular worldwide like 6.5grendel
I kinda like this cartridge for an AR 15 round. Most AR 15 shooters won't carry a 24" barrel. It cannot beat the 308 with the new bullets and powders. Their 6 ARC 18" barrel was down 150 fps, and my 18" 308 will exceed their velocity with similar B.C. on the bullet. And they lose alot more velocity with the light bullets and a 16" barrel some over 500 fps if that's of interest to you. My 18" AR 10 will run hybrids 168 .515 BC at 2787 ave., highest velocity 2815. Plus its capable of 10 shot groups just inside one inch...but its heavier...but also alot more versatile...with tracers, armor piercing, cheap components, and ammo available everywhere. But it has ar 15 merit if the barrel is at least 18 or 20 inches..imo.
I also built a long action detachable magazine rifle 30" Bartlein barrel, 2 oz trigger that shoots 200 grain crimped nose Sierra MK .715 B.C. at 2850 fps top near 2900 fps. Over 3600 ft/ lbs if energy from a 308 case...and it exceeds the 300 PRC factory loads in 26" factory barrels when chronographed, plus the 308 case can shoot tiny 10 shot groups..
"barrel life is good"...... ok..... Define good.lol
If it’s like a 6.5 G it operates at 50 ksi vs the 60-65 ksi most bolt guns operate at. Much longer life than the bolt action 6mm counterparts are notorious for
Similar to that of the x39 & 556. Although high rates of fire can shorten that.
@18:35 The Hornady guy said "it will do everything that every other cartridge will do in an AR-15 can do, better." So... is there a Subsonic load that will cycle semiauto like the 300 Blackout?
I have always been a fan of the 6mm. I never understood why the military went with a .224 bullet. Evern a 5.56 necked out to 6mm seems like a better cartridge.
That's the way I would have gone with a new cartridge. Bolt and magazine compatibility would remain. Just need the barrel upgrade. Also keep the chamber pressure at 55kPSI. Want those bullets to be able to go zoom!
Fudmottin you can only cram so much powder into the 556 case.
Weight and velocity. 223 is a better standard caliber than this. This is a better caliber for me, though.
In an AR15:
-224 bullets are Baby Bear
-264 bullets are Papa Bear
-243 bullets are juuuuuuuuust right
Also papa bear likes ice cream a little too much and runs really slow.
WOW, dudes your video is hard to watch." It's a perfect cartridge, and Its better" Just communicate the real numbers.
stated on hornady's site for factory loads 108 gr eld 2750 fps 1813 ft/lb sectional density .261 B.C .531 vs 6.5 prc eld 143 gr 2950 fps 2782 ft/lb sectional density .293 B.C .625 vs 6.5 123 gr eld 2580 fps 1818 ft/lb sectional density .252 B.C .506. I have a hard time believing arc is better both on paper and actual results my prediction is this will be another flop like valkyrie.
It's really just them trying to make a proprietary cartridge, problem is, if they don't make it widely affordable it won't grow. 6.5 Grendel is it's parent case, and rather than letting magazine makers get the final kink out of the system, they went and downsized the cartridge slightly making it cost way more than fixing a magazine.
What's hard to believe about launching good bullets fast as compared to bad bullets slow?
Exactly ... didn’t learn a thing.
They didn’t want to admit they copied the 243wssm and tweaked it to fit an AR...
So pretty much another 6. cartridge 👌
The "gas" guns pressure rating is reduced specifically because the bolt is extremely thin around the lugs and will break under higher pressures. 6.5 Grendel has faced this issue for a long time.
Ok guys, glad you looked at the trend of folks using 6.5 Grendel, 6mm Grendel and 224 Grendel ....Can you please just go ahead and introduce the 224 ARC .....NO WAY ITS NOT READY TO GO.
there is no 6mm grendel or 224 grendel
@@sendit2873 Not for the 'basics', but for the rest of us that dont rely on walmart for ammo, available for over a decade. You don't actually think Hornady invented this do you? Hahahahaha.
The only possible downsides I see are 1) the thin bolt head rim to fit the 220 Russian-sized base, and 2) the Mags. The new bolt head rim is considerably thinner than the 5,56 rim and has not been combat tested. The Mags? Good mags almost always need tweaking. What happens if you have to do some mag dumps in a tight situation? Will they feed properly and will the thin rim hold up under a lot of heat and stress? Don't know if they will be issues.... Thoughts?
From what I’m gathering you basically remarketed the 6MM Grandel.
grendel and not even close
Great cartridge... you mentioned PPC and glassed over it, but throw Palmisano and Pindel a little shade since you stood on their shoulders and made almost the exact same round under a new name.
If wolf starts pumping out a reasonable load in cheap steel. I'm on board.
that round is a long range round as is the 6.5 grendel but for some reason people still want a cheep ass steel rd so they can do mag dumps and put 500 rds at paper every week which is the saddest gun owners in my opinion if you are not buying top notch brass match rounds to shoot maximum accuracy at long range you are wasting your money and time
@@sendit2873 well people want a 6mm AR15 to replace the 5.56 for run and guns and tactical training also so they need an Affordable round to do that. It's not stupid.
It essentially duplicates the 243, but in an ar15 action, instead of an ar10 upper.
Does it take Glock mags?
Al Gore invented Glock mags ... LOL
@@BruceDaughtry 😂😂😂
I hope you really do not own any real weapons
@@sendit2873 Karen
When I wear out my Krieger 223 Wylde barrel in my Mk12 clone, I'm going try the 6ARC
Your public spokesman for this had better be named Joan!
(-;
Recognizing it is a hobby for everyone, I just don’t see the need for a 6.5 PRC vs the CM. My CM gives me all the stopping power I need on deer sized game at ethical hunting ranges. If I wanted to hunt a bigger animal like an Elk, I’d want a bigger diameter bullet but that’s just me. Interesting video.
This is the AR 15 cartridge I’ve been waiting for. I hope brass life is better than with the valkyrie.
Ah yes , the new flavor of the week .
It’ll group a hell of a lot better than that shit show 224 Valkyrie that’s for sure. And 6.5 or 6.8 out of the AR15 form factor was too slow for SOCOM apparently
Exactly
@C-Bomb - I have THREE AR-10's. And they are a hell of a lot heavier and longer than an AR-15. Your average AR-10 weighs at least 3.5 pounds more than an AR-15. Not to mention the extra weight and bulk of the ammo. It's not the small variance that you think it is. DoD asked for the 6mmARC. It's their spec. It's their Barrett Rec7's. Apparently they liked it enough to buy it.
+Peter Southern Boy The POF Revolution DI is almost as light as an AR-15. I’m not certain but I think it’s based on the DPMS AR-10 Gen 2 pattern, which I’ve handled before and it’s a toy. Can’t believe .308s are that light now.
Really excited about this cartridge. Are reloading dies going to be available soon?
HORNADY...FIX THE MAGAZINE....
Mine when I shoot slow, it tried to double feed. When I shoot fast, NO FEED ISSUES. THE OTHER ISSUE I AM EXPERIENCING IS ALTERNATING GROUPING....
VERY FRUSTRATING! We need a magazine fix; just like what Ruger did with the 6.5 creedmoore....
I prefer my .243 win. over 6.5 creedmoor...
Comparison between 6.5 Grendel to 6mm ARC, my only concerns are the bolt group or the thin wall bolt...
The bolt issue has been fixed for quite awhile. If you join a Grendel group and ask around the guys will tell you why better than I could. You have to get one from a quality company though.
Hornady, I gotta know:
When are we going to get the 8.6 Blackout/Creedmoor?
AR10 pistols are really hot right now. I'm saving up for one as well speak. And this appears to be the ideal AR10 pistol cartridge.
AR 10 pistols are ballistically useless. In range recently did a great video demonstrating that 7.62x39 is better suited for pistol platform than .308/ 6.5cm
Ar 10 pistols yes, no need for such a large cartridge just to limit it with such a short barrel. However, taking a large bore pistol round and putting it in a longer barrel is the way to go for a pistol setup. More barrel than a standard pistol means more velocity, means more power. An ar 10 in pistol format I agree is stupid.
6mm arc got me ready to switch
Been waiting on this for awhile
Us too!
@@hornady which grendel bolt depth is correct with this
Wanna buy a bridge?
BTW not to many civilians can use this platform because its now only military and police . Especially in Canada with new regulations and in usa to come. So thats useless. Make it in a non restricted short bolt action then ppl will possible believe in this new available cartridge. Cheers
It’s a pudloaded .243 Win, but with no lightweight loads available yet.
.243 Win: 105gr bullet @ 3025 FPS, 2134 ft lbs
6mm ARC: 105gr @ 2750 FPS, 1763 ft lbs
Until I can swap nothing but the barrel on an AR15 and get .30-06 ballistics using my .223 mags, new AR15 calibers do not interest me at all. There are too many that are marginally different from the next and that only exist for marketing, and as far as I can tell, this one is no different.
I think it is hilarious that suddenly the 6mm is a powerful "big game cartridge" when for years we have been told the .243 Win was under powered for deer hunting. Now that everyone has an AR platform the .223/556 is now even acceptable.
And 6.5 CM is a legit 600 yard elk cartridge at 600 🙄. Meanwhile my tired old 30-06 hits at 500 with 1800 ft/lbs. it’s basically been relegated to dispatching wounded sparrows
After having shot n stuffed into my freezer like 17 elk with a .243 now apparently I understand its not adq.for elk? Im confused , I pull trigger, speer grandslam goes thud, elk falls over very dead ...
Keep in mind it's about knowing your limitations and the limitations if your weapon. With that being said projectiles and powder have seen improvement in recent years and its lead to a bunch of new rounds.
243 is an awesome round! I’ve took quite a few deer with it, super accurate out of my savage 110
@@Jakes93yj My dad still had his .243 Remington 700 ADL and with Speer 85gr. BTHP with 41.3 gr. of IMR 4350 it holds .4 MOA from a bench. We routinely bust water bottles at 300 yds. with ease. The funny thing is to watch them explode in the scope before you feel the recoil of the gun lol. Great for deer, goats and sheep also. Just remember all the gun magazines from the 80's and 90's saying you needed a magnum cartridge to kill anything bigger than a coyote for so many years when they were trying to sell those guns for the industry. Now that the AR is all the rage 556/223 is a medium game cartridge. I have shot a couple sick/wounded deer and one pissed off bull with my duty AR but they were head shots at close range. Not ideal but they worked. It's all about shot placement. If you cant hit the vitals it's just fine.
Advance rifle cartage now that is funny it's nothing more than a glorified 7.62 x 39 .
The 6mm ARC’s parent case is the 6.5 Grendel, which takes its lineage from the .220 Russian and 7.62mm Soviet. Since Hornady was the first ammo maker to get behind the 6.5 Grendel in a big way, it was an easy transition to the new round. As an offspring of the Soviet 7.62×39, the 6mm ARC get some of the shared battlefield cred, too.
It has a case head diameter in common with 7.62x39. That's about it.
I couldn’t help but notice how they had to dance around the 6.5 Grendel on the cartridge comparison. I am curious how this will translate over into real world applications. But the Grendel for military, law enforcement, and hunting any day over this.
the 6mm arc in military testing does alot better with penetrating body armor and a bit less weight
You say you can use 6.5 bolts -- but there are two types of 6.5 bolts: type I and type II. Most manufacturers (of barrels/chambers) seem to have settled on "Type II." I own numerous 6.5 Grendel chambered rifles; all are chambered in the Type II arrangement. Are you expecting/recommending manufacturer's to utilize the "Type II" scenario? If so, then I can use my bolts that I already have.
Type II
it's my understanding type 2 has a less face depth than the type 1 (7.62x39) not interchangeable.
That’s strange about not being able to shoot a 90 grain bullet or bigger through a 243 win. I loaded up some 90 grain ELD-X in a 243 and had a sub moa group with a old school 788.
Yeah have no idea what they are talking about. I have hornady American whitetail ammo in .243 win that is 100 gr and shoots just fine from my bolt gun I had since I was 10.
Hmmm....magazines. Will it use Grendel mags? Or maybe 6.8 SPC mags, as the 224 Valkyrie does?
Grendel mags
another day,another caliber!
Sorry you guys lost me at 6.5 Grendel Bolt. You're going to run into the same problem the Grendel has which is shaving down a 5.56 Bolt face to run it that's a no-go for me and that's definitely a no-go for the military. Unless you build an AR around a specific cartridge its not going to pass the smell test. LWRC is the only company that stepped up and built in AR-15 around a cartridge which is the 6.8spc
That problem is fixable with better design and materials. With the increasing popularity of cartridges sized for the 6.5 Grendel bolt I think these problems will be overcome soon with newer products on the market. However I agree that if we scrapped compatibility and went to proprietary rifle designed around the cartridge then we can have the ideal cartridge and rifle performance. But it sure is expensive and inconvenient. Maybe if these cartridges get popular enough we'll see new ARs that are slightly larger than AR-15s but smaller than AR-10s. That's what would be perfect for 6mm cartridges with ideal velocities. The Grendel variants (including 6mm ARC) are as much as we can squeeze into the AR-15 but if there was more breathing room they would be better cartridges and the rifles would be more reliable.
The ballistic king as I see it right now is the 6GT (almost a 6mm Dasher but it feeds better, similar to 6x47mm Lapua but it's more forgiving when developing loads) unless you go up to a much more powerful cartridge like the 6.5mm PRC. Unfortunately the best 6mm cartridges are just slightly more than the AR-15 can handle, which is why we have almost-there compromise cartridges for the AR-15 including the 6mm ARC. It's a great compromise but even as they say in this video it can only be "90%" of the performance of the best 6mm rounds like the 6GT and 6mm Dasher. If we had a slightly larger AR and magazine we could get 100% of the performance without having to go to a much larger AR-10 designed for .308 Winchester. For now, I think I'm willing so sacrifice 200fps to get a AR-15 instead of an AR-10 but AR-10s are getting so much better and more compact that I'm not so sure I even want to sacrifice that 200fps. Maybe I don't need a rifle lighter and handier than a POF Rogue, which is pretty much an AR-15 that takes 7.62x51 mags. But those mags are bigger and heavier with less capacity.
6mm ARC seems "good enough" to enable the AR-15 to pretty much "do it all" except hunt big game (not including medium game like deer for which it is fine with good bullets) and shoot with terminal effect at very long range. Doubling the effective range of the AR-15 without crippling it's ability in close quarters is a real accomplishment and a superb balance even if I want that last slight edge of Dasher performance (it's hard not to want the very best). If I need more power to hit further, I'll consider 6.5 Creedmoor or 6.5 PRC. The 6.5 PRC is probably a better companion to the 6mm ARC since they're not as similarly powered, though I prefer autoloaders. But it's very appealing to me that the 6mm has so little recoil that the rifle is much more versatile. No other SAAMI cartridge with external ballistics this good has so little recoil, making it a very versatile cartridge. Long range is fun but we all know most real-world shots are taken within 300 meters. With 6mm ARC, I don't need to substantially sacrifice performance at 0-300m where it matters most to get the ability to accurately place longer shots. I expect a good 6mm ARC gun to be effective at 500-600m and capable of hitting accurately but weakly beyond that.
The whole bolt face issue is blown out of proportion. If you run a good quality bolt like the JP Enhanced bolt you're not going to have an issue.
Sounds like a good choice for target shooters who shoot a lot. You lost the hunter who is looking for more knock down power. If that is the case I would choose the 224 Valkyre. There is no such thing as a " do everything cartridge"
This cartridge will give better terminal performance that 224 Valkyrie
@@K-bob_45 Yes agree, I would choose the 224 Valkyre for target shooting it's a cheaper option.
224 valkyrie is a worse performer at all ranges and on every type of flesh.
True, but it is the search for the most "do everything cartridge" that is driving better performance. For many shooters there are calibers that do everything they want it to do.
Me at the Car Dealership: "I don't want a salesma... Person talking me into buying that car and ALL the extras."
Me while watching this video: "Tell me more about why I need this caliber and how my life will be complete!"
Wife to me after I make her watch this video: "Ok, but not until you finish your 300 BLK OUT build."
This cartilage should have more support from ammo manufacturers and magazine companies if it's going to be successful. It has massive potential. Better than 6.5 Grendel in every way.
Not exactly. Grendel can fire a larger range of bullets. Has cheaper ammo. And 6.5grendel is popular worldwide. 6arc will be a usa hornady made cartridge only
Still trying to reinvent the wheel?
Hurr durr new cartridges are dumb
What, no this is revolutionary...nothing like the 6mm AR. It’s the 6 ARC! lol
When a DOD entity comes to you with a need, you "reinvent the wheel" and make it better.
@@hornady well in that case, by ALL means take advantage of the "free money" gifted by taxpayers via DoD.
We both know %90 of wildcat cartridges end up collecting dust in the back of the gun safe when the "new and improved" polish wears off.
Great marketing tho!👍
Hornady Manufacturing can’t argue with that! I’m just bummed not to see any cartridge manufacturers breaking the mold with anything in 7mm! Especially SIG coming out with their new lot gun & STEEL case head. They opted for a 270.
SOLD
I'm listening. The ELDX in 6mm arc, hit me with some numbers, B.C.?Average velocity? Energy and speed at say 500yards?
www.hornady.com/ammunition/rifle/6mm-arc-103-gr-eld-x-precision-hunter#!/
@C-Bomb Most ammo manufacturers list their velocities in 24" barrels kind of an industry standard.
@C-Bomb I know it bugs the shit out of me that they all use 24 inch test barrels for everything. Its understandable for bolt action hunting rifles but at least list the numbers for 20,18,16, and 10 inch barrels on your website.
Why would I get a 6 ARC when the 6.5 Grendel is already an established cartridge that does essentially everything the ARC will do other than maybe being as good at paper punching, and it will use the same projectiles as the bigger 6.5 creed that’s already massively popular. As far as systems are concerned, if I stock up on 1000 projectiles of 120-140 gr. 6.5, I can use it in both and get great performance without having to use a separate projectile and use the same ballistic calculations with a change in velocity.
Keep up the great work.
Why does the Army need a 1,000-yard bullet? We won two world wars with open-sight rifles sighted-in for 300 yards. And we certainly don’t need that bullet for hunting. Any hunter trying to bring down game over 300 yards away will usually miss.
This is such an ignorant comment😂
Prove your point.
Will be interesting to see what barrel life would be in a premium cut-rifled barrel. My dedicated prone rifles in 6BR UBL w/105gr VLD's (2985fps) would start to give up that guilt-edge accuracy at 1700rds and start pitching wild 9's at 600yds after 2000rds. My guess is that under similar conditions (slow-fire prone), these should go 2200+ rds using available 103-105gr projectiles.
Where this cartridge will REALLY shine is in the NRA Tactical Prone class (if they still are involved in competitions). The NRA Highpower Committee in their infinite stupidity, has allowed ANY caliber instead of restricting the game to the 223/556 caliber that 95% of AR15 safe queens use (THE people the game was intended to draw). As a result, this would be the exact caliber of all available that I would campaign to consistently win that game...my opinion.
I'll stick with my 6.5 Grendel. The only way I may consider changing is if the ammunition becomes more available and less expensive.
6.5 Grendel can kiss my grendel
I’ll take faster bullet with higher BC’s. This is what the 6.5 Grendel SHOULD have been. The 6.5 never had the velocity required to attract DoD and long range match shooters in the AR15 form factor.
@@petersouthernboy6327 but still has more energy than a 308 at 1000yds and is still super sonic at 1000yrds I have had awesome results at 1200 yds with a 22in barrel 6.5 grendel
Wait, you mean Switzerland, Japan, & France had it right roughly 100yrs ago? Who'da guessed projo w/ 1Km capability using irons would be well suited for modernizing...
But what's the cost of ammo ? 😀
Hornady is always pretty cheap I am going to guess around $30-$35per 20.
I'm seeing $1.05 ppr. at the cheapest.
@@H43339 1.50 per round is cheap to you?
@@devinbrown7426 I don't know what you shoot but premium factory ammo is usually $40+ dollars per 20, so yes I would say that's pretty cheap. I was just guessing around $30, so maybe it's only going to be $26 ?.
It's not blasting ammo knowing Hornady it's precision long range type ammo.
@@H43339 Hornady's top performing 6.5cm ammo $20/box so I would expect this to be less.
Use ammoseek.com to find better deals
steel core 6mm 108grain sounds fun:)
The only weak link is that the magazine functionality needs to get sorted. Hopefully SOCOM did that. IMO the 6mm will not have the accuracy variance issues that plague 224 Valkyrie
I have 2500 rds through mine and use e-lander brand 6.5 grendel mags and have not had 1 single mag issue
It looks like another 6mm BR variant, case capacity ?
If you look at the reamer spec for a 6PPC it pretty similar so i'd start looking there
My biggest question for the last 10 years: "Why the heck isn't Hornady or someone doing a proper 6mm cartridge for the AR15?"
Guess that's been answered!
Some times perfection takes time HaHa. In all seriousness we are excited for everyone to get their hands on one and see what it's all about.
@@hornady Usually worth it though! Sign me up for that one. I'm sure I have some customers who might be interested! www.aedanprecision.com
@@hornady ...of course now I'm sitting on the custom 224V barrels I had made wondering what the heck to do with them now, lol!
LOL your sarcasm is deafening. Gj
Hornady, fix the magazine feed issues. It takes time; BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT LISTENING TO THE CUSTOMERS WHO BOUGHT YOUR PRODUCT....THE MAGAZINE TRY TO DOUBLE FEED THE ROUNDS. IT ALSO SENDS THE CARTRIDGES ON TO STEEP OF A ANGLE TO CORRECTLY ADVANCE INTO THE CHAMBER ..... FLAWLESSLY....
FIX THE MAGAZINES, HORNADY. ...
If only Hornady had developed the valkyrie. Would have been a game changer.
Hmmm... I was just starting to look at 6.5 Grendel. How will 6mm ARC Compare?
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Faster and flatter
Save yourself from wasting your time on either
@@DinoNucci ya seem pretty salty about something that you're not being forced to buy into.
This is what the 6.5 Grendel SHOULD have been. The 6.5 never had the velocity required to attract DoD and long range match shooters in the AR15 form factor.
Thank you 😊
Why do they keep saying the 6mm ARC carries more rounds than the AR 10 .308? I have 25 round magazines for my .308. The ARC uses Grendel mags with 25 or 26 round capacities. I don't see the ARC having to reload less than the .308. I know 20 round is standard. But if round count is important to you, 25 round mags are available. Everything else they have listed is a benefit of the ARC over a .308. Good looking round. Looking forward to getting one. But don't use inaccurate information as a benefit.
Is the 6 ARC applicable to the current trend toward AR pistols with very short barrels?
No, not the purpose at all. It's for long range precision.
@@zachphirman6219 This has similar traits to the 6.5 Grendel and has been stated will do quite fine in short barrel applications. Just like the 6.5 Grendel does.
Are there any plans to make frontier ammo for this?
Not that I have heard of but you never know.
@@hornady So without reloading, affordable ammo for high volume shooting is just off the table? I understand not drawing attention away from your premium offerings, but you're going to cost yourselves more money than you make in doing so with the AR crowd. AR's are the "cookie monster" of the firearms world. If the cartridge is successful, it will be BECAUSE 8-10 dollar boxes are available. Period.
@@mattfleming86 who would do high volume shooting with a round that is made for precision long range does everyone think an ar15 is for mag dumps and who can fire faster and the round is made for military first so it is very successful without civilian use since the army is using this rnd in their new weapons
@@sendit2873 High volume does not necessarily mean mag dumps. High volume means being able to spend a day ringing steel out to 1000, instead of spending an less than an hour with 2 boxes of high end match and having to go home. Hornady understands this with their "black" and "frontier" line in other calibers. It is an absolute necessity for caliber success.. and after 1 year, developing better chamber dimensions/reamers also is going to be necessary for success. MANY barrels built off of the hornady chamber dimensions are struggling with accuracy.. which relegates them to "mag dumpers" in the end anyways. I truly hope this cartridge works out. If it does, it will be my next AR caliber (or maybe even a bolt gun now with a custom reamed barrel) but teething issues are delaying that purchase.
How is this better than 6.5 Grendel?
th-cam.com/video/os3x5Rg-BJw/w-d-xo.html
It's an equal waste of time is how
This is what the 6.5 Grendel SHOULD have been. The 6.5 never had the velocity required to attract DoD and long range match shooters in the AR15 form factor.
Dino Nucci I’ll bite. How is it a waste of time?
@@davidlong6796 easy game: tell me why you'd spend hundreds of dollars gearing up for a 6mm projectile to go 800 yards? Gonna hunt mean bears with a 6mm @ 900? Yaks @ 1000?
So the 6mmAR (I have one) that was mentioned is purely a necked down 6.5 Grendel - why not just standardize the 6mmAR instead of just pushing the shoulder back by 0.025" and calling it the 6mm ARC? Don't get me wrong I like the cartridge - just wondering why so much design time was spent to push the should back ever so slightly on a perfectly capable wildcat that's been out there for some time and call it a "new" cartridge? Not trying to be a jerk - just wondering why?
So when is the .22 arc coming?
I love Hornady products, the sst is my favourite projectile. But did you just copy the 243WSSM here?
For reloading what is the powder. Looks to me like varget? Like all the other 6mm dasher style cartridges.
I'm using leverevolution with great results
He says 6.5 grendel bolt. But which type? Type 1 or type 2?
Type 2
@@sortoftactical In the first few years after 6.5G was introduced there were T1 and T2 bolts. Could have been out of the game for a while
@@hornady thank you for clarity and for being faster to reply on my channel than me!! 🤣
@@coltonkay9000 Im not even sure you can get a type 1 if you wanted to.
I removed my original response. After reading it months later I came off like a jerk and all you wanted to know was a simple answer. My apologies.
Nothing beats 3006. Best all round cartridge
You skipped the magazine. I assume it needs the same mag as a 6.5 Grendel as well?
Definitely
If that’s the case.... Hornady can you design a Grendel mag that doesn’t suck? The mags are the weakest part of the Grendel platform
I appreciate the reply from Yamaha 45 but would Hornady please verify the magazine info? As Daniel Youngblood mentioned, it was glossed over in the video starting at around the 17:42 mark.
I use a 6.5 Grendel magazine for both 6mm Grendel and 22 Grendel ... Had to lightly file the lips to not cut my brass and since they just copied the work of a bunch of guys making 6mm Grendels it should be fine. Way to go Hornady ... Real innovative ... I guess easier to take others work
jwiatrek what lip dimensions did u end up with?
I wish Hornady would make steel core ammo like the SS109 for the consumer. That would solve all of your barrier problems.
Send the specs to @Brandon Herrera so he can chamber an AK with the new round! 🤣
🤣🤣 nice!
An AK has already been chambered in this. In fact, several AK's have been chambered in the 6mm Grendel spawned wildcats as well as the 6.5 Grendel
@@Matteo_ it's a newly released round. I think its safe to assume AKs have been chambered in previous ones have been chambered in the various 6mm and 6.5mm cartridges. One more is fine in my book. Besides, variety is the spice of life 😊
16.5" Bull Barrel, go up to 18" if you have to. Carbon Fiber would get that weight down.
Bull barrel gains you NOTHING in lengths under 20”
Hello all. Pretty new to rifle shooting. I have a Sig M400 chambered in 5.56 and .223. What mods will I have to do to accomodate this new round? Thank you.
So when will 1000 round cases from Lake City be available?
What are your thoughts in a bolt gun? What round count do you think I can get out of this cartridge? I know 6mm creedmoor is about 1,500 rounds.
How soon will the components for the 6 Arc be ready available for handloading ?
When will a rifle manufacturer produce a bolt gun? What happened to howa being on board?
Magazine specs would help. STANAG or modified mags such as 6.5 Grendel ???
It uses a 6.5 Grendel magazine follower...so the real question is....Why?
@@StrainXv because it is the exact same case as grendel but necked down to 6mm
@@sendit2873 no you misunderstand, what is the real point of the round 1 year ago. Now with the Ammo ban yes this might have some potential, but otherwise nothing really advantageous about it.
Efficient is the buzzword for all new cartridges without a tangible definition. Change my mind
Now Hornady, with no apparent credit to Whitley’s 6mmAR, has announced a copycat cartridge, which it calls the 6mm ARC (Advanced Rifle Cartridge).
Can you make better 223 fmj bullets. I had some old hornady 55gr and they look way better then the current. They have a way better tip. I don't understand why they have become more and more round. It's a little change but could help improve a huge seller already.
Can 7.62x39 brass be converted into 6mm ARC ?
yes
no not even close
You have to bump shoulder back 30 thou and trim but the case head is same. Body will fireform. Yes.
@@MrDillaKilla .....
the two cartridges are listed as type 1 & type
2... for bolt specs.
not interchangeable.
7.62x39= .125 bolt face depth.
6 ARC= .136 bolt face depth.
One of the problem areas of 6.5 Grendel is the different bolt specs with the clambering. If I have a type II 6.5 G bolt, will I be able to use it with a 6 ARC chambered barrel?
Yes it uses type 2 6.5 Grendel bolts
So for the AR15 what is the best all around BARREL length for shooting out to 800M and also being used as Deer and Hog rifle??.
I'm sold on this 6mm ARC..I just wanna get it right the first time when I build this upper .
I wanna try and get 400ft pounds of energy at 600 yardsor close to it and have at least 800ft pounds at 250 yards . I'm not gonna hand Load. Realistically I'm gonna be using Black Line and ELDX ammo and that's it ..
If you're shooting that close, build a 6.5 Grendel and shoot 123gr SSTs. You carry over 1000 ft/lbs out to 400 yards.
Hornady.... FIX THE MAGAZINE FEED ISSUES....YOU KNOW ABOUT THE PROBLEM!!
LISTEN TO THE CUSTOMERS...WE ARE THE FRONT LINE. FIX THE MAGAZINE.......
I believe you should have designed the 6mm arc around a 16" inch or shorter barrel, for modularity and a smaller package, and from a tactical and self defence perspective in my opinion, that is the whole point in developing a new cartridge. not longer barrels. just my opinion no offense intended
So, DOD and USM will use cartridge based on AK-47 case - Russian .220.
Adoption doesnt mean anything in the context that they are using it. Crane is probably the entity that requested it. This wasnt built to suit them but it sure is a great marketing tool. This has been in the works for a while and wont be replacing anything for another long while. The logistics systems in even i special operations is ridiculous.
Will ammunition proposed for military use be made available to the civilian market? Somehow I don't see the DoD suddenly upping to 6mm anything. What civilians need now is a military grade cartridge. I don't mean law enforcement either.
what magazines work best with this? i would love this in my go-to rifle however none of the magazines on the market are reliable enough for defensive purposes. anything you can share about what the DoD did to overcome the sketchy reliability of 6.5 grendel mags?
This is dead in the water for defensive uses unless Magpul makes mags for it
I use 6.5 grendel with no issues at all but get the e-lander mags they are the best but after 2500 rnds I have not once had a mag issue
What is the difference between the 6mm ARC and the 6mm Grendel? They both have appear to have the same parent case and similar dimensions.
Basically the 6 arc has the shoulder pushed back .030" to allow for the longer VLD style bullets to still fit AR15 mag length. A 6 Grendel or 6mmAR "would" have a little more case capacity.
What mag does it use ??
6.5 grendel