Does Vinyl ACTUALLY Sound Good?
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Marty Music I like analog tape
1. I KNOW that Vinyl quality sucks compared to CD, you don't have to explain it.
2. I don't care about just sitting down and listening to music, I want to do something else as well.
3. The sort of music I want to listen to (computer music/Demoscene) is not ON Vinyl.
4. I want portability in my music, I don't want that stupid ritual of setting it up to play.
5. I dont't give a shit about cover art whatsoever.
6. I hate the album format, they ruined MP3s with those awkward tags and everything.
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vinyl only sounds better because people that used it didn't make crappy music. :D
They're also fun to collect
That was a good one.
99% of artists sitting in the dollar bin and the thrift store disagree.
Hmm, and here I thought it sounded better because most of us were stoned out of our minds through most of the seventies and eighties.
I like your spin on it! Nice dig on the crap being played now!
In the late 70s I took part of my meager weekly wages to Korvette's each Friday for $3.99 LPs. I still miss that weekly event to this day.
And now with direct deposit, music on line, and the lack of garage band kids growing up to pen the greatest genre of music ever, makes Friday just another regular day.
@@Gibender1 Well said.. and that's coming from someone probably about half your age.
Still have a record player and some vinyl I love the crackles and pops that comes from it sometimes
Charles Ray it just means the record is not clean. It’s not actually good for the record
@@Rithvik2001 Frkkn Killjoy! 😂
@@Rithvik2001 can you clean a vinyl or is there to much risk of damaging the grooves?
ryan doody there are cleaning kits
I still like CD's. I like having the booklet to look at and owning something physical...
Me too, they’re what I buy instead of MP3s. (When I’m not buying records)
What I miss most about vinyl is the album covers. Some of the covers were pieces of art in their own right. The Layla cover for instance is magnificent. I'm old enough to have seen most of the great rock bands at one time or another. It was magic to go to a concert and then remember it by reading the liner notes and looking at the cover art work. All that being said, cd's sound better to my ear so I guess it's a trade off.
kevin
Totally agree I'm 69 so I know all about vinyls couldn't wait for the CDs to be on sale when they first appeared hoping at the time they would catch on I like the cover art on the albums but not the scratches after long use especially when you are trying to find the exact song and when you're pissed up you f****** records up with long scratches on there you found the next day I wouldn't go back to them.
My ears aren’t good enough to tell the difference. Probably also why I’m not a rock star guitar player.
That said, I’ve always like holding a record and enjoying the album art and the liner notes. Can’t do that digitally.
But, I do enjoy the convenience of having 1/2 my ‘album’ collection on my phone anywhere I go.
I think there is room to enjoy all formats and as long as we’re still rocking out that is what matters.
most music is mixed the same no matter what format its going onto, it's the mastering process that you hear a difference in. easy differences to pick out are in the stereo field, volume and frequency range. vinyl masters tend to have a narrow stereo field, less highs and lows and they aren't nearly as loud.
@@ryandoody2670 I've recorded, mixed and mastered jazz ensembles from trios to 21 piece big bands, and also 4 piece rocks bands or acoustic duos - all of these are mixed differently. As a few small examples: the acoustic bass and electric bass are mixed completely differently with regards to compression and EQ. The reverb I'd use on an acoustic grand piano in small jazz trio vs a pop recording is different. I'd pan a double tracked guitar differently in a heavy rock recording that I would a single guitar track comping over a jazz/blues piano solo. That's a huge generalisation you've made there.
@@ryandoody2670 well, at least you didn't say "Soundstage", the name of WTTW's seminal live music series that's been running for nearly 50 years, and confuse that with a stereo sound _field._ But I don't think you know what mastering is. Although pre-mastering for vinyl records does remove frequency and dynamics to keep the groove from crashing, CD mastering doesn't, and doesn't effect the recorded music one bit. And digital files for direct sales or streaming aren't physical media, so there's no need to make stamping masters. Stereo separation is limited by the equipment used, and because vinyl records use one groove for two channels, crosstalk is high, so stereo separation is limited. But volume, that's controlled by the volume control.
Comparing directly between vinyl CD and digital is fruitless and inconsequential as tracks are mastered differently for vinyl so it sounds different even before it hits the needle.
Jimmy page wouldn't agree he said with each press vinyl degrades so pressing one will never be as good as pressing 100 what's more you have never had the proper Led Zep 2 until it was remastered on digital the first pressing of that skipped so badly because the levels were so high they couldn't issue it until it had all the levels taken down and so all the nuances were lost. he said the remastered versions of Zep albums are now exactly the way they should be heard
Vinyls are still cool
Vinyl is still cool*
Yes LPs are indeed still cool
The same thing can be said with CDs. Your physically taking the CD out of it's case. Your physically opening the tray and putting the CD in there. You are closing the tray of the lid. And you are supporting your band PERIOD. It doesn't just have to be vinyl, that is just one of the major ones that you personally defend. I'm just saying there are other choices out there that are physical that are better sound quality wise.
Vinyl is so different from a CD. CDs are always going to be the same size and shape, vinyl can have different sizes, colors and shapes. People talk about the sound quality, but no one that is getting into vinyl is getting it for its sound, they are getting it because it is different from a CD and streaming and also because it is more attractive.
Lucas Barletta you know wut you just gave me an idea in about a year there are gonna be cds that are 3 times larger for thousands of songs 🤔
@@lucasbarletta2986 im am starting to only because of sound. Why the fuck else moron?
Aaron David I was trying to say that most people getting into it aren’t getting into it because of the sound. Most people I,ve heard get into it because it’s fun to go to a record store and look for that one record you’ve been looking for a while. I’m sorry if I said something that offended you, I also don’t see why you needed to curse
Lucas Barletta another reason why I use cd is because of the price of like everything for it it’s cheaper than records like the player taking care of it the brushes and stuff even the records cost tons and I am only a teen so it’s not like I can afford a good record player and amp sound system and everything else lol
Best thing about vinyl? Every crackle, pop, and scratch reminds of that party back in.... when ... Remember?
Still not giving up my collection. Its like reading a real book vs any other form of content delivery. Tactile/sensory involvement completes the picture for me!
Vinyl rules kids. Give it a try, and you will hear the difference. Anybody who knows, knows that something gets lost when you break the sound down into zeroes and ones, and then translate it back. Listen to your fave old song on CD, MP3, then give it a spin on vinyl. But beware, there's no turning back.
I am in my 60's I have a ton of Vinyl and no one ever talks about noise where vinyl is concern and I don't mean the pops and clicks of badly wore Record , I mean NOISE that is always there , the hissing , the humming if turn up too loud , or because of tone arm speakers distance from each other. I come from era of big systems , big speakers power amps , power EQ's and etc for the purpose to make vinyl sound better if vinyl already sounded Great these devices wouldn't of been as popular as they were . ...
the 1st time I heard a CD I was sold , wow what a sound thru my speakers and thru my headset. clear , no noise , no hums , just music as loud as I wanted to go " or permitted" I don't have an intimate relationship with the record the sleeve or the turntable , I just want music , clear sounding music , I have a 100 disc changer and I play what I want with a click of a button ... I save my intimacy for women ... who also like music that doesn't need to be turned over every 20 mins ... rock on.....
cb irwin
Exactly how I feel and well stated
A lot of the noise can come from a poor quality cartridge or stylus or even just misalignment. There is a slight surface noice but it is so low that it is mostly heard between tracks. Cds on the other hand have too clear of a high tone that can sound sharp or harsh causing listener fatigue and the base tones even though very deep have been pulled back into the mids to create a louder volume by pulling the mids forward. There is also the variations in volume along the tracks that have been trimmed to create a more even volume and louder sound. All of this is awful. If you listen to Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon considered to be the best engineered rock album of all time and experience both mediums the remastered version is not awful but not great where the 1973 original master has much more presence and soundstage.
Yeah, you can't beat the clear sound of digital. Vinyl constantly has background noise that isn't what the artist recorded. Dust, dirt, cleaning, waste of time, just get the music on and lets go!
cb irwin
I’m same age and once cds came out record player went away Took it out a couple times and put it away
I'm 55 and I had the same experience as you have described. I was in college when CD's started showing up in the mid 80s. My friends and I would go to the record store to see what new CDs would show up that week. We couldn't wait for our favorite records to finally come out on CD. I remember seeing Rush's 2112 at the record store for the very first time! Ahhh finally! I can now listen to this masterpiece without the rumble, hiss, and crackle of the LP. Same with Dark Side of the Moon, The Wall, etc.
Also back then, the average CD was $14.99 and LPs were $7.99. We gladly paid the extra money for the far superior CD. I just find this whole trend to be absurd. It's hipster rubbish.
Completely agree. When i listen to an LP, i sit through the whole album the way the artist intended, in the order intended. When i listen to any other format, i usually skip around and often will not even complete a full song, unless im busy doing something else. Your fast food analogy is perfect. The act of listening to an LP is better, hence the music is better.
Why can’t you do this with a CD? If you care for an album as an art form, that should be no problem.
It's easier to skip around on vinyl than on tape
This thing about, “taking the time to ‘sift through the bins for the album…put the record on… sit and listen….’” I’m not sure this is endemic to vinyl. I do the same thing shopping, loading, sitting and listening…for my SACD. (And, they’re even harder to find than vinyl records these days.). Only difference? My SACD doesn’t wear out with each play. My point? It has to be something other than the aforementioned process of listening that makes Vinyl a better choice for some. Those reasons aren’t unique to Vinyl records.
Marty I, like you, have been around long before CD's. In fact I was the last person I knew that begrudgingly put away my turntable and vinyl for the new & improved exciting media of Compact Discs!! I eventually believed that CD's where so much better than vinyl. I replaced many of my old favorites on CD. About 10 years ago I pulled out the old Kenwood turntable and brought the vinyl back out and was in fact shocked at how much better the vinyl copies sounded over the digital. I've come to realize that the problem isn't the media, as I do believe that digital is superior to analog. The problem is with the engineering. They boost the signal as high as they can which compresses and thickens the sound. Plus they add all that "noise reduction" so everything sounds so "clean". What all that stuff does is changes the character of the instruments and makes them sound less real. Plus the "loudness wars" causes ear fatigue. When I listened to Joe Cocker's "Feeling Alright" on vinyl it was very open sounding you could hear each of the instruments individually. The bongos at the beginning actually sounded like they were being played right in the room. When I played my CD version after it was 2x as loud as the record and noticeably compressed and congested. The bongos didn't have that same effect of "being played right in the room" feel. I feel that that's the biggest problem with digital is that they feel the need to crank the gain just because they can and as a result they destroy the character and dynamics of the music. Just my 2 cents!😊
Plus you can roll a joint on a proper album cover.
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Only retards smoke pot. I outgrew that when I became a man.
@@Thievius333 well i mean, you do sound like a dope junkie. :|
@@Thievius333 shut up
@@andreijurca5546 lol
I was in the digital camp with the mindset that vinyl being better was just a product of nostalgia and such, until I gave it a try. A few months ago I got a couple records from a second hand type shop near my house, dug my dads old turntable and receiver out of a buried bin in our basement, and threw AC/DC’s flick of the switch on. I was blown away by how good it sounded! I had heard that album on digital countless times, but I was hearing so much more detail and nuances it was like I was hearing that album for the first time all over again. I didn’t know music could sound that darn good. So, mark me down as being a recent convert to the vinyl camp, lol.
That is probably because of mastering issues in the digital media
It's the "loudness wars" and the fact that they treat all music with "noise reduction" so heavily now. The music becomes so compressed and congested. And looses the dynamics and character and openness of the recording.
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just don’t fall down the rabbit hole of improving your set up through powered speakers, high quality cables, washing records, upgrading your stylus, and isolating your turntable from any extra vibrations and you should be okay
I like Digital . It's easier to steal .
yeah and this is why music quality is going down. So easy to steal it's even harder than before for artist to make any profit with it and live from it. Open highway for commercial craps. Thanks buddy.
@@loaneslone7168 My comment was Tongue & Cheek . Sarcasm to some . My point was to point out the Downside of Digital Music . Many regard it better . But it damn near put the Music Business out of Business . I am actually a Record Collector . I buy Only Vinyl from Artists i care to support . Digital Freaks...well Not so much .
@@dbrew2u Happy to hear that but I'm not an English speaking native, sarcastic side was not obvious to me. Still making things clear is important. Kind regards Dave
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Great commentary. Great music ideas! Well done, Marty!
Sure digital CAN outperform vinyl, but it does not. The reasons are many, but mostly having to do with the "Loudness Wars" of digital. Doing this makes the signal compressed and clipped. OTOH vinyl was mostly released within the bounds of the medium. Dynamic range was not overly compressed. And it was/is tweak-able. You want a better experience? Get a better stylus, or cartridge, or phono pre-amp. There is almost always more in the groove than your system is extracting. With much of digital, it's what it is and that is not great ...
I totally, 100% agree. It's not about what the medium is technically capable of, it's about how the medium is used in reality. CDs are often brickwalled (overcompressed) during mastering and while bad examples of this may sound great in the car, if you play them on a good, open sounding stereo they sound terrible. The loudness wars have ruined so much music. After doing many comparisons, my conclusion is that some albums sound way better on CD, others sound way better on the vinyl record. All depends on the mastering!
Idk, with some good headphones, I can really feel like I’m in the room with the band and I can appreciate every tiny nuance and effect of the digital media, generally when I’m listening to vinyl it’s through speakers in a room and I don’t feel as attached. I do however still buy vinyl records if Im a really big fan of a band and I want to support the band and have that physical copy to prove it. Also the cover arts pretty cool too.
I actually dislike listening to music on headphones. Music was not intentionally designed to be funneled into the ear. Before any kind of device existed, the only way to listen to music was either at a concert hall or church, for classical music, or outside for folk music. I feel like speakers do a much better job at funneling music the way it was intended, AT the listening, not INTO the listener.
Marty, I tried an experiment. I had two Millenials for daughters. I gave them my Stanton Dynaphase Headphones and put on a vinyl record and a CD. I have some pretty damn good stereo equipment. The amp was set for a clear pass, no tone controls. Vinyl was played on my Thorens TD 160C turntable with a Stanton cartridge. Same album Fleetwood Mac's Future Games. Both of my daughters picked the vinyl over the CD. They were shocked. Vinyl is a warmer richer sound. Period.
Your daughters probably picked up on small cues were sending that you’d be pleased if they chose the vinyl. (“Now listen to THIS one!” etc). It’s been scientifically proven vinyl is not “better”, “richer”, or “warmer”. I don’t know what else you want
Actually both were playing at the same time, my daughters each switched back and forth between CD and LP. You can do that on a good stereo. The modern Recievers, it's questionable.
@Guitars and Games thx for your learned input.
Oh dang! I always that there were small differences/sounds that digital media missed. Never knew that the human ear couldn't tell the difference. Great video
Good stuff Marty. Always a good move to sneak in Mr. Bean footage.
I recently went back to vinyl, I like supporting bands I like and sharing music with my daughter is way more special with a physical copy. And nostalgia of reading liner notes. Give me vinyl please!
Spot on. I don't think vinyl sounds any better, but I love it because it promotes that active listening and I love to physically collect the music I love.
You didn’t mention the top end frequency’s on vinyl degrade groove by groove as is plays towards the center.
5:38 exactly why i have started buying vinyl again
The lack of those super high frequencies is one of the reason it’s pleasant sounding.
You get a lot of TIS with vinyl...TOTALLY IMAGINED SOUND!
One thing, that vinyl also does for you is fighting against the loudness war. For example: I own the vinyl and the (remastered?) CD copy of Nevermind. If you look at the waves, you can see, that the CD Version has a way thicker and dense wave signal. So less dynamic range. The vinyl on the other hand, shows a lot more spikes, which means that the dynamic range between the volume levels.
That's more due to mastering than delivery mechanism. Digital is capable of greater DR than vinyl.
@@vinniesilvagio Capable but that's irrelevant when so many albums are mixed too loud. The main benefit of vinyl is they CAN'T mix it too loud as I understand because the needle would come off the groove. So a technical limitation becomes an advantage.
While there is something to be said for the ritual of playing a record, it’s important to realize that quality reproduction of an LP actually requires not only top notch equipment but a turntable needs careful setup too. In addition to a quality cartridge it must be set to track the record at a precise weight. The point where the stylus contacts the record must be set at a precise distance from the tonearm pivot and be aligned carefully to track the groove as parallel to the groove as possible. Some turntables simply don’t allow for some of these important adjustments and different types of distortion will inevitably result. Even cheap CD players are capable of adequate reproduction but the pursuit of the best sound quality from LP’s does not come easily.
This is all true, but people listening to digital music on poor players (PC, iPhone) leads to loss of audio fidelity. People generally don’t have good sound systems to listen to their digital music.
Yep. And in consequence, people settle for genuinely worse-quality formats because you can't tell the difference on shitty laptop speakers. I'm forever a disciple of the humble CD because I make it a point to have a decent stereo with which to appreciate it, and for me the combination of convenience and quality has yet to be beaten. The sound quality is effectively as good as the original recording, I can fit about 500 of the things in a relatively small corner of a room with the right kind of shelving, and I get to actually own the music - not just in the abstract sense of having a tangible object, which is great in itself, but having nobody telling me what I can, can't, should or shouldn't listen to - which I feel is something significant that's lost with the transition to streaming. I really hope that CD will remain a widely-available format in spite of the expansion of streaming, even if it gets more niche.
S Laurence Yeah, I still have my old CD collection. It’s nice to have a physical copy that you can go back to.
The closest interaction you can have with a physical representation of a sound wave huh?? Cmon marty you said that with a guitar right there on your knee...
I agree with those who say something happens in the mastering of digital that often takes away from old music. I remember listening to The Wall on vinyl and it felt absolutely magical. CD's came out, and I excitedly bought The Wall right away. I could barely get through the first CD. "What happened?! What did they do to this album?!" Then I walked over and put the vinyl on (same speakers and receiver), and again heard magic.
I have yet to explain that, but perhaps some of us are detecting something that machines cannot.
@ReaktorLeak You can only measure what you are looking for. You can only master what you know to address. To say that people can only hear variables addressed by engineers would be just as impossible a thing to establish.
Dropping the needle on an old UFO vinyl is just sexy!! It takes me back to the days I was listening to it in the first place!!
UFO was never sexy...
I threw all my vinyl away 20 years ago. I walked up to a green trash dumpster and unceremoniously dumped them into it. If you want to have "active listening", then just do it. Put in a CD into a cd player, or play an mp3 and just stop what you are doing and listen. There's no need to have a stupid ritual to listen to music.
Great vid Marty. Couldn't agree more
The artwork on LP's looks way better also
Traditionally vinyl was cut using an analogue tape as a source, it is this tape that has the 'warmth' not the vinyl. So vinyl is being credited with a quality that it does not have.
With the invention of CD's, I love getting home from work, sitting back, lighting up, putting on the headphones and hearing the NON snap, crackle, & pop sounds of the vinyl. But I sure miss studying every artistic nuance of the LP Album covers.
Audiophiles claiming analog sound is "continuous" needs to learn quantum mechanics which clearly demonstrates that their analog signal indeed comes in discrete packages, or quanta. So nature is actually digital.
Ummm we hear in analog......so yeah no.....your an idoit! LOL
Here from the future to tell you that you are an idiot. Stop thinking you understand things you don't.
You've got a good point. Albums were our musical campfire. Gather round as I drop the needle...
Vinyl does sound better than 8 tracks, cassettes and even mp3's. Unless you're listening to a lossless audio file then you're missing out.
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Digital music playback is not "jagged," that is a misconception. The sampling is quantized, but the playback (speaker response etc.) is a smooth curve. Nyquist proved that the quantized sampling at that frequency, used to reconstruct the correct smooth curve, is indistinguishable (to a certain frequency) from the original curve before sampling.
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Active listening and intimacy with music are things that comes from you. Not from the media format.
I'm an audiophile and I don't scoff at the new digital media, and I was born when cassettes were extremely popular. Granted my channel revolves around vinyl records, but I still own mountains of CD's, and *VAST* 1's and 0's of MP3's and WAV's. This is because I love *ALL* forms of music. Vinyl records just happen to calm me while they spin. There's a substance to that kind of elegance. As far as how they sound. Have you ever listened to a half-speed mastered Pink Floyd or Queen LP on an Audiophile system with high-end vintage Sansui, McIntosh, or Technics receivers with a pair of Advent speakers? It wouldn't just stop at knocking you on your ass. You would experience sound in ways you didn't even know you could hear with your music. Also, I've studied sound for years, and *Frequency* (Analog) does in fact have further dynamic range than bitrate (Digital). I keep all of my digital formats because I can't go jogging or drive my car with records.
bro, dynamic range is measured in bit depth, not bit rate. And it's only 16 bits on vinyl whereas its generally 24 bits on digital. on top of this if you master vinyl too loud the needle jumps out of the grooves so you can't master as loud. Recording using analog gear does give you more headroom to work with initially but eventually this is condensed down to at least 24 bits because most mixing engineers drop it to 24 or 16 if its vinyl. so saying one has more dynamic range is irrelevant.
ryan doody CD is also 16 bit
@@ryandoody2670 Digital recordings have less hertz
@@conorodonoghue134 you are right, when i said digital i was mainly referring to the majority of modern recordings on streaming platforms and digital downloads, i should have been more clear.
@@giovannigobbi4832 care to elaborate? I'm not quite sure what you mean.
I think it comes from the idea that a needle is reading grooves in a disc somehow
Maybe it’s not superior, but I enjoy taking it out the sleeve and reading the liner notes as it spins. Also, how many people actually attempt to listen to high quality music.
Love the editing 😘👌
Interesting. Thanks for covering.
Completely agree! I just had this conversation, with a comic book store owner. We talked about going to comic book stores, not just to buy comics but to talk about them. We then shift the conversation to music. We talked about going to a music store, to look for first cassettes, then CDs. It was an event, that took time and people loved it.
I like the esthetic that vinyl gives. Especially if the album artwork is good. If I really like the album, I buy the record. It just has more appeal than a CD on a shelf.
Vinyl+Spotify = Best of both worlds
Great quick and fluid video
I'm 14 and I collect vinyl and love listen to them
This blind study tracked listeners' preferences for high-quality analog and digital music while listening to live concert recordings. Digital won resoundingly.
Geringer, J., Dunnigan, P. "Listener Preferences and Perception of Digital versus Analog Live Concert Recordings." Bulletin of the Council for Research in Music Education. 1 Jul. 2000, Number 145: 1-13.
Anyone that says it sounds better is usually a hipster that just wants to sound cool. I love vinyl. Not because it "sounds better", but because I like the nostalgia of it all.
I think it’s import to acknowledge that vinyl has a unique sound and some people love that sound , wether it’s as high definition as today’s digital music is another thing , but none can argue that vinyl sounds distinct.
There's a reason why vinyl fell out of favor. Pain in the you know what!
I think I'm just too aware of how the music is coming to me. Do I have a pc monitor staring at me? Is there a cd being digitally played? Something about this makes me slightly more anxious. Is the music coming from a needle hitting a spinning vinyl disc? That's musical harmony.
Analog recording, digital playback. Perfection to my ears
Absolutely perfect presentation. This is why I have all the digital goodies as well as an extensive vinyl library. Music on vinyl is more immersive, as you said, “an event”. I am thrilled with the resurgence of vinyl and enjoy few things more than sitting down with one of my favorite records and really tuning in. Great video man. 👍🏼
Yes, records are really great. Thanks. Do you prefer analog or digital headphones?
Another subtlety is that, with its pops and clicks, vinyl rarely plays the exact same thing twice. CD's are technically better because when they were being established as a medium, they focused on only the spectrum of sound the human ear can hear. This meant not wasting space on frequencies one cannot hear.
Same as movies staying at 24FPS crap to let your eye bleed.
I find the CD experience exponentially more engaging than records since many CD packages come with 20-page (and more) booklets which contain much information on the musicians, the recording sessions, relevant music scene of the time and song by song commentary. This is especially true of my top favourite music genre, which is jazz music of the 1920s to 1940s - you'll get no more than the artist name and song titles from the original 78s and even reissues and compilations on records decades later provided only a small fraction of the details as compilations on CDs. And the beauty of CDs is that, if I somehow miss the essence of a song or simply want to enjoy it again, I can just press the back button and listen repeatedly till I ''get it'' (can't do that so easily with records) ;)
I think a big aspect is simply in one word you use that is a little glossed over and that's "Quality." If you have a good record, playing on a good player, through a good system, it's going to sound good. If anything is lacking in your digital reproduction, whether it is the compression of the file or the speakers, it won't sound as good. And people tend to accept lower standards in digital playing for ease.
I just like the fact of getting high fidelity audio from 40 year old equipment.
Great thoughts Marty.
in addition to vinyl requiring:
1. Recording Level to be as much as 10db lower than digital for land reasons ( groove space)
2. Low pass filters required for anything above 16k ( I cant hear that now but could in the 80s)
When cutting vinyl all frequencies below as high as 250-450 hz had to be mono-ized to avoid swarf drop.
To me this took a lot away from those artists who loved to include space and direction ( left right channel wizardry) into their mixes.
1 . This is why we have gain and amplification.
2 . Minimal content above 16k in music . Most listeners can't hear it and most sound systems won't reproduce it
3 . Low frequencies are omnidirectional and should be mixed down as mono . Pretty pointless panning them left and right .
Digital has the potential to sound great with huge dynamic range but unfortunately people don't take advantage of this and compress the dynamics out of it .
So to sum up at present digital sounds ok in the bass range , lacking in content and life in the midrange . Harsh and unpleasant in the high frequencies .
Vinyl on the other hand sounds good enough in the low frequencies , warm and alive in the midrange , pleasant and not harsh in the high frequencies .
This is all just my opinion of course
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I like it when the black disk goes round and round but I can’t hear the difference between it and digital. But it is “you neek” and I like the process of listening to vinyl
Vinyl to me isn't about the sound quality. It's about having something tangible you can collect and own. Also I enjoy being forced to appreciate the album as a whole and not being able to skip around.
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Best part of vinyl to me was the large artwork. I will never forget the nightmares I had from the art in the sleeve of The Wall as a kid.
You pretty much nailed. I'm a young guy, but I realised I was not really listening to my music, so I tried Vinyl and I was hooked. Spotify is great for driving and the gym, but during a spare hour at home on a nice afternoon, I'm cracking that Vinyl out("cracking out" being British slang for opening or getting out, not literally cracking the Vinyl).
I collect vinyl record. honestly, the main benefit of having vinyl record system is the music discovery. Going to music store, discovering new music from the days are part of the experience for me. Its also produces a warmer sound, tho i do agree that's completely subjective. All in all for me, it's about the "experience" it offers rather than simply to listen to music
I can't argue with your technical citationns, as to why digital is superior. But I remember seeing Jimmy Cliff "The Harder They Come" in college, which he made using spliced scrapes of film, swept from the cutting room floor. That was "authenticity" which have scarcely heard in any digital format.
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Its hard to roll a joint on a cd case... otherwise digital is much better. They used to apply an equilization called the RIAA curve to masters to make up for some of the limitations of vinyl. They used the same masters in early CDs that didnt have those limitations, so they didnt sound so good. That issue has long been resolved, but some of us older folk still hold that opinion. Not me, I would take vinyl over a crappy mp3, but thats about it...
You nailed it brother...it’s about the process!
And there’s something special about listening to a complete album rather than picking and choosing select tracks.
Many albums of the past (and some today) tell a complete story rather than just being a collection of discrete stand alone songs.
It’s like reading a whole book rather than picking and choosing certain chapters.
I like the experience of finding, buying and collecting vinyl, but to be honest I find CD’s a higher quality listen and easier to play in different systems in the house, cars etc. So I tend to own most of my vinyls on CD or CD-R as well. As for streaming services, they’re a dog poop middle ground but as the video says they have their place, like a McDonalds drive through VS a fine 28 day aged steak. Sure, the steak is supposedly ‘better’, but if it’s 3am and raining and you only have $8, you’re gonna enjoy the hell outta that burger and fries...
Totally agree with everything that you wrote! Especially the last sentence. So true 😁.
Very good Marty. Listening to albums allows you to hear the whole story a band puts out; the songs that don't make the top 40 or whatever can be the ones that end up being special. While you can still hear an album on CD, people don't seem to listen to them that way very much. Then, there are the album covers and information inside the jackets that other forms of music just don't have. Finally, the experience of going someone's house and thumbing through their albums was always a key to understanding them, finding new music to listen to, and a great topic for conversation.
The process you described, about listening to vinyl....It wasn't like this 40 years ago. People were listening to albums the same way like today... playing the record and doing something else. It is perceived like this today, when we have "mobile" devices to play music and we have "a lot of things to do" daily. Even today, real music lovers would listen to an album on CD without interruption.
There was a study, somewhere back in the early days of CDS, that compared digital to analog. The experimenters exposed listeners/subjects to a pure digital audio source (music), versus a vinyl source (the same music). The listeners preferred the vinyl source. Then, the experimenters added a small percentage of noise beneath the digital music-equivalent to what you'd get from the physical vinyl playback. And subjects preferred that to the pure digital, in numbers close to those who preferred the vinyl source. I think the conclusion then was that either those listeners had become so accustomed to hearing that noise floor through their years of vinyl listening and felt *something* was missing in the pure digital tone, or there is something about a bit of noise that 'fattens' the tone and gives it the sense of more 'substance.' I wonder if those results would be the same now, now that many more listeners have *only* been exposed to all-digital sources.
So he forced the cds to sound like shit. Very unbiased test. 😉
I think it would be the same. It definitely adds a perceived thickness to the sound.
@@BookClubDisaster I think it’s similar to how analog synthesizers are perceived to sound richer, ‘fatter’ than digital-looking at the waveforms, they’re more complex. That’s the “thickness.” The warmth.
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When I listen to an LP I listen to the whole album. I have been buying vinyl since 1993.
Is this a two, or three credit course in audiophile 101?
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That experience of actually hearing the music without any other distractions is spot on!Put on your vinyl or cd in a dark room and be taken on a journey.Fantastic!
Or put on Spotify. It will work too
Probably the best take I've seen on this, giving both sides! Great vid mate!
Never expected you to use the crying jordan meme, not complaining though
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Okay, you're right. Vinyl is still better though because we love it.
VINAL is fantastic!.....also like you Marty!....nice job!
Marty, I'm 65 now and I worked in vinyl and discovered virgin vinyl (180 gram stock) is the only stuff to press recordings on! Recycled junk is planned obsolescence and progressively
sounds worse after each play. You are correct about the signal to noise ratios plus wow and flutter numbers associated with vinyl that a new generation discovers when discovering
old technology. A good video about this subject you have done!