Will Group Ironman WORK In RS3? | My Response To
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ส.ค. 2024
- Group ironman is finally coming to RuneScape 3, but with it come a lot of questions; how will it function, can we just copy-paste the osrs version of it or does it need to be totally different? In this video I will discuss it all and respond to IronAraxxor's points!
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Chapters
0:00 The Fundamentals of GIM
4:50 WHY Do People Play GIM
9:28 The Flaws of GIM
13:32 My Response To IronAraxxor
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i 100% disagree with group quest unlocks. it's too much a part of your account progression and devalues other account progression in the social atmosphere of the game imo. i just think it's something every character in the game is supposed to do with maybe a few exceptions as the requirments will make it extremely hard to get everyone in your group to have. things like herb and prayer requirments arent usually progressed together in a gim setting, they are usually a group effort one at a time sort of. like a gim doesnt alllll level up their construction you usually woudl start with one person having them.
but curse prays are so damn important to playing the game at all that having your entire gim trying to get those requirments is going to take as long as a solo ironman. so i think some things should be a group unlock and maybe not others idk. cause the first person in gim to get curses is going to have a major amount of content opened to them that isn't opened to others in their gim.
i also kinda think they should allow some recently made ironmen to be able to convert. account made within the year or something. cause now i want to gim but i dont have an ironman and dont want to make one if i have to start a fresh account later.
Curses suck until 92 prayer lol
- No shared quest progression.
- No MTX
- All items tradeable within group, but not droppable and no trades outside group - destroy only (stops people stealing items).
- Only allow bossing with members of your group, group size up to 10 people.
- Only fresh ironmen can join a group, less than 100k total xp and less than 200 total level.
- Only allow people to leave the group if they have put all gold + items into the bank. (stops people stealing items).
The issue with only bossing with people in your group is if a couple of your team mates don't keep up or just completely quit you're just fucked now.
@@abovesanta6362 New account can still join a group to replace quitters. If bossing is allowed with players outside of group then all GIM will just be boosted by alt accounts and it'll be pointless
@Moto1987 but then the recently added group iron member will have to be boosted by the other group members unless you expect them to be entirely self sufficient and wait for them to get late game ready. Which is just the same thing with extra steps. Best way is to keep it like osrs has it which is if you raid with someone outside of your group you lose your prestige as a group. Because no matter what GIM is essentially all boosted ironmen because if one person plays 24/7 and farms extra stuff, the rest are likely leeching off them.
@@abovesanta6362 Thats the whole point of group ironman, supporting and playing within your group.
@Moto1987 yeah, but bringing someone else in when you're all mad is essentially the same thing as boosting from outside the group. The only difference is time frame. Being overly restrictive makes the game mode unfun for the majority just because the minority wants these strict lines drawn. The groups that do it all pure as a group can have their prestige and can high road others with that, it's plenty.
Do we know if we'll be able to convert our current irons to group?
i think you have a very main account game mindset
Yay, i can finally post a first comment!
GIM on rs3 would be fun i think. It would allow me to play with a friend without worrying about MTX
I think one of the main attractions is no MTX. Even though participation of MTX in mainscape is voluntary, at least it won't be thrown in your face in GIM
right because irons keep buying up all the keys!
A response to mr metalic arachnid?!?!
😂
I think any alternate game modes to rs3, permanent or otherwise, are a net benefit to the game and community. This is an area where osrs has excelled.
So many of these concerns seem like we're taking the game and mode way too seriously. This is supposed to be for fun.
Im excited for this to be a great, fun time to putz around with my friends and a mode where we wre semi dependent on eachother and that is mtx free. I play with four irl friends, this will be one of my friends first foray into rs3 (he mains osrs).
If someone falls of the train, no worries. It happens. If someone progresses way faster than another, no worries. It happens.
This is going to provide a lot of fun for my friends, and open back up the early and mid game in a way that a main just doesn't have to experience, but in a fun group setting. I really don't understand all the naysaying
I think from the rs3 players POV, which commmenters seem to be, their ironman mode seems to be in a good place. When GIM was not even really on the table yet, I read some posts about it where they said GIM was never going to be needed in rs3. Though, I think they are missing the point, I think group ironman is WAY more appealing to new and long-retired players. So it may be better for the game overall than they give it credit.
I'm with you on this one, I don't really get the negative points.
@@FifthCenturyBass that's the thing though, man. Let's say you don't want to play it because you're happy with your iron. Awesome! Don't play it! I'm just concerned that Jagex will back down or push the release back on this because of negative feedback.
I've never played an Iron, this is how I plan to start
PvM with regular ironman is not at all like PvM with a group iron. Regular irons are stuck with whoever gets the drop gets it. In group iron, it doesn't matter, because you can determine who should get it in the group.
What happens on GIM if your friends quit?
Then you are a lone wolf till they come back, if they have some decency they will fill the shared storage.
alt-man mode if they give you their acc info.
I like the idea of all untrables becoming tradeable.
I think its a must, otherwise it wont be playable Imo
For me, augmented items and potions need to be tradeable AND something more is needed to draw me in from my normal ironman. For example if you only pvm with your group you get solo droprates as they are always better. I don't really think progression should be shared, but I'd vote for clue scrolls being shareable, just not quests etc.
quest progression is fine imo maybe just lock out gm quests so you have to do those yourself
id love to play group ironman but as the skiller maybe the fisher or slayer not the pvmer id pvm just the lower tiers and join the group for harder stuff but dont solo harder pvm
Anyone member the days when youtube actually had video response as a feature? I member
Yeah, those were wild times ngl
Osrs gim was hype at the start, but if your team leaves then you're just a normal ironman which is frustrating. Then you are penalised by having to unranked to leave your group and join other active gims. It needs some extra thought of how to keep people engaged
OSRS has less MTX which is a good thing but avoiding it in RS3 without submitting to a full solo focused playstyle would be a big appeal in RS3 over OSRS.
Some potential there
finally someone with a brain
It should be like how OSRS group ironman works, they have their own bank and progression but can add items to a shared bank to help your team, also should have normal group ironman and hardcore group ironman that have certain lives depending how many members is in the group. Example: 3 player group will have 3 shared lives. Once all are gone they convert to normal group ironman.
personally feel like shared quest progression is a current huge problem because there are SO many more quests than old school and not everyone wants to have to do those. there are those that enjoy questing and others that absolutely hate it and dread having to do it. invention and high level herb should definitely also be shared. just my personal opinions.
You are wrong about prestige in osrs group ironman, prestige is not equal to blue helm
my thoughts are, we will actually have over 500 players when gim comes out! pog
lol I’m gonna make 5 of me gim xD
No shared quest progression. No untradeables like fire cape,kiln,clues,quest unlocks etc. Untradeables like sharing augmented weapons + base overloads only yes.
PvM in rs3 is already so easy and with necro its even more easier. So not sure if it'd make any difference, if at all. Irons can already group PvM anyways. Ironman mode must be a challenge imho. Making everything ultra easy is recipe for disaster. Might feel exciting initially but Rs3 is simply not cut out for GIM. It will be a dry and dead content when the hype is over. The biggest problem with the new rs3 community is they want everything handed over to them.
I don't like GIM anyways but hopefully the people who do enjoy it
i think it would be fun to make it 100% shared... like if you have 6 people in your group, well everyone gets 1/6th of any xp you gain. so you all rise together. it would make it something completely unique and open up other avenues for people to play it in weird ways (eg one person making 10 accounts to try play on 1/10th xp mode)
but really overall i think this should be used as an opportunity to do some interesting and weird things that fit the theme, or even let them customize what rules they're locked into.
eg: can only enter instances with all members, or only 1 member at a time. or shared bank between members. shared ability unlocks (but maybe you need 1 for each member to unlock? optional). just see how much you can link it all together, but make it balanced by making things equivalent in difficulty or time to achieve.
i disagree that GIMs should be only able to doo content with the ironman group alot of groups are clan groups not friend groups like mine and we enjoy our game at different times etc have jobs etc so not being able to do croe ever or whatever 4man content is dumb i wanna play it cause i dont like to play alone and so do my clanies and we just want a inbetween ironman and mainscape.... aka group iron man i hope almost everything is shareable in the group and they dont lock us away from all the content for being from across the world... i dont want quests to be shared but ovis and stuff like that (adren renewals etc....) should be shareable... not everyone no lifes this game and getting one 108 herb in ironman is already a pretty big accomplishment
and also cluescrolls should be tradeable since you will need to doo clues for invention etc and most people hate cluescrolls! plus it sounds like you wanna play alone ngl
Think about it! All you need to do is create a GIM, share everything, get trim comp mqc on a hc in 6 months, probably 5.8b in couple years max and part ways. Where is the challenge? lol. GIM should never make it to RS3. It will be the final nail on the coffin imho.
cry lmfao
@@3d_Prophecies no u
I like clue scrolls being tradeable. I don’t do clues, because I play on mobile and can’t use alt1. If I couldn’t buy alchemical hydrix or eof, I wouldn’t own any.
you can share quests..but to do the quest all have to have the skill requirements. Done! :)
Shared quests imo would be awesome, quests are the most painful thing when we think about creating a new account build.
Community Ironman. It’s just mainscape without mtx.
I like the shared quest content and clue thing under certain restrictions
For clues you maybe could give them to a team member for a 2/1 swap rate or you have to downgrade them making masters still account exclusive
For quest progress you could make it so that every group member needs all the requirements done.
What I wouldn't want is shared codexes or exp etc.
What I would find nice is shared storage i.e for all currencies, metal bank, invention components.
i think with the shared quest completion it can work that you can only unlock the quest completion if you de meet the requirements of the quests, and if you want the xp reward of the quest you still need to do it yourself. i personally love the skilling aspect but i hate doing quests but my mate's love both. and this seems like a nice compromise.
I like the idea of having your teammates together and you get certain buffs, since at the end of the day it is supposed to be a group mode.
Yeah standard ironman progression in RS3 is already really fast compared to OSRS, it doesn't need shared stuff other than augmentables.
Buffs beyond that would utterly ruin it. Keep it for a GIM league.
And I say this as someone who has had an exploded OSRS gim and a current OSRS gim - just discuss parameters openly going in. People are scared of having discussions about their boundaries and expectations and if you're in that position you shouldn't be joining any sort of group project.
I mean, FSW managed to make me unsubscribe from the game and stay away from it permanently. I expect that the introduction of GIM will have a similar long-term effect on players.
Why would an optional alternate game mode make people unsub?
@@ZachEverett You mean the one with the boosted XP rates and the transfer to the official servers afterwards? No clue.
@@Jolfgard I'm referring to GIM.
to me it is a big nono on rs3. It just doesn't work on this game. Reasonning is that the progression is way more asynchronous than osrs. If there wasn't invention/archaeology/divine charge management/summoning and all those cornestone unlock for skills all over the place maybe. You do group iron man, what will happen:
- Jose don't understand summoning, he sucks at bossing
- Theodora is still lvl1 smithing and Brandon doesn't do daily divination, the 2 others have it and are lvl4, I'm one out of 5 understanding invention even explaining them the thing 3 times a day
- Oh shit herblore, we can't even funne mats all the corner things are bind on pickup
- Enjoy yourself doing back and forth at wild altar while random kevins are bankstanding burials
- Quests that take age everywhere that most of my team do not do
- Sadge long sessions very slowly progressing archaeology without GotE, slow farming chronotes afterward to keep slowfarming archeology to get your almost mandatory unlocks
=> all that makes you automatically fail at bossing even if playing frame perfect ^^
Iroman in rs3 is something I can get behind and honestly respect, group ironman is just completly impossible. I'd play group ironman with a premade if there was like global team unlocks, like 1 exp bar, one quest log and so on for 5 players with duplicated drops and so on, I'd revisit the game gladly and build a strong alt. Make it so you have bingo like objectives which reward your main.