Archbishop of Canterbury extended interview on John Smyth scandal and resigning

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  • @bencorrigan2702
    @bencorrigan2702 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +81

    This is a world class interview by Cathy Newman. One of the best examples of journalism. Iconic.

    • @19381952
      @19381952 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      I have been following you from Toronto Canada. You will bring justice to all the victims , so proud of your courage and determination to this horrific tragedy.

    • @terrychapman5466
      @terrychapman5466 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Jordan Petersen taught her a lot.

    • @Amari9613
      @Amari9613 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      She's woke.

    • @SteveRegardo
      @SteveRegardo 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      So what you’re trying to say is…..

    • @michelejensen1527
      @michelejensen1527 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Amari9613To be aware of abuse and to point it out is being woke?

  • @patriciazander2072
    @patriciazander2072 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +38

    Good job Ms. Kathy Newman. Excellent journalism.

  • @edurnegoni6818
    @edurnegoni6818 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +63

    I love the way in which She presses him. Superb

  • @kinorspielmann4649
    @kinorspielmann4649 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +174

    "I was shaken to the core ..."
    and you did NOTHING, allowing the abuse to continue for another five years.

    • @gailcusden3607
      @gailcusden3607 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@kinorspielmann4649 that not correct police were investigating from 2013.

    • @Grelotmystiqueetal
      @Grelotmystiqueetal 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@gailcusden3607the abuse still had not stopped after that…

    • @stephenconnolly3018
      @stephenconnolly3018 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      It's the church's way of doing thing.

    • @gailcusden3607
      @gailcusden3607 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Yes, jut why is he getting the flack not the police​, they knew and did nothing @Grelotmystiqueetal

    • @mogadon7
      @mogadon7 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Church of England's version of PRINCE ANDREW interview !

  • @notfarrightjustright
    @notfarrightjustright 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +141

    get rid of him immediately and investigate all behind the church doors .sick of our kids being abused in this sick world

    • @BrendanZ-cd4wr
      @BrendanZ-cd4wr 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      👍🏾🫵🏾🫵🏾

    • @abo_909
      @abo_909 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      nah just take out of the country how bout that

    • @jake751
      @jake751 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Well said 👏 these people are sick and dangerous to children.

  • @suesanbooth6739
    @suesanbooth6739 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +314

    Whether you're a Catholic or a protestant, abuse was always brushed under the carpet, even though they knew what was going on

    • @movarvo1217
      @movarvo1217 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

      Well said, it's the psychological scars we bear.

    • @WhataboutTRUTH
      @WhataboutTRUTH 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      You need to make yourself understood. Catholic means UNIVERSAL, is dose not only refair to the church of rome but all religious faiths made up of people from different countries and different colours of skin. I presume you ment the Catholic church of rome ?

    • @abo_909
      @abo_909 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      its rooted in chrisitianity , yall are just as bad as jeffery dhamer , stfu😂 dont try us with that

    • @indigohammer5732
      @indigohammer5732 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

      Abuse? Don't you mean child rape?

    • @abo_909
      @abo_909 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@indigohammer5732 be quiet😂 you know damn well what it means , nice try

  • @amr180671
    @amr180671 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +41

    'I am not going to resign for this '..... 'FOR THIS'. Says it all.

  • @martinsigley3957
    @martinsigley3957 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +219

    Just like the Post Office, no body in charge knows anything. No point in apologising now. Resign.

    • @hittitecharioteer
      @hittitecharioteer 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      The Post Office DID KNOW - as did Mr Ed Davey MP. This much has actually been proven.
      I'd say that at the very least Welby's situation can be compared to Prince Andrew's in that his credibility and judgement are so compromised that his reputation is now utterly diminished to a point that every day he hangs on brings more disrepute to the Church. Frankly, how can he preach to a congregation? What moral discourse can he engage in that can be listened to by a public yearning for spiritual guidance?

    • @claudiabrowett-cruz
      @claudiabrowett-cruz 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Not just resign, I demand “something else” 👎

    • @jake751
      @jake751 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Yes that woman in charge was one of his sort.

    • @jake751
      @jake751 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@hittitecharioteerwhy would any person with an ounce of humanity want to listen to that 😢

    • @pynn1000
      @pynn1000 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      He's resigned today. Interviews like this, your reactions, will certainly have been a factor.

  • @anjulamutanda2000
    @anjulamutanda2000 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +148

    I’m sorry- watching Welby has left me seething ! Imo he comes across as incredibly arrogant, grandiose and masking his own behaviour with veiled victim-hood. Appalling!!

    • @cardroid8615
      @cardroid8615 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Typical jew. They're all the same

    • @gailbourne9717
      @gailbourne9717 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      You are so right. My thoughts exactly.

    • @roseanncampbell3168
      @roseanncampbell3168 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Same way he threw Harry and Meghan under the bus now his karma had come

    • @we4r119
      @we4r119 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@roseanncampbell3168- what do you mean he threw Harry and Meghan under the bus?

    • @simonnicklin1313
      @simonnicklin1313 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      My thoughts exactly. Just listening to him, makes me so very angry. He doesn't once apologise, sickening, absolutely awful man.

  • @terryowen7449
    @terryowen7449 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +229

    Welby has done an excellent job doing exactly what the establishment told him to do. Stall, obfuscate, deflect, deny and keep the lid on the CoE and child abuse scandal.

    • @pixie3458
      @pixie3458 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yes, because it is so widespread none of them want to take the lid off. We would have to build new prisons to accommodate them all. Class, education and money are no barriers to abuse. Just look at royal circles

    • @MMG-q1v
      @MMG-q1v 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      So, an ideal “spiritual leader.”

    • @philiphurst831
      @philiphurst831 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      Spot on.

    • @harryw29
      @harryw29 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      What's "the establishment"?

    • @lw1zfog
      @lw1zfog 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@harryw29 your logo

  • @Colinmills-o9q
    @Colinmills-o9q 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +80

    Withholding information of child abuse is a crime no matter who you are.

    • @kimsmith6648
      @kimsmith6648 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      And he should face the consequences , not retire with a pension, he is a liar and a cheat.

    • @simonzonenblick395
      @simonzonenblick395 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Unless I misheard, he says he did report it to the police, and it was they who told him not to do anything further because doing could jeopardise their investigation into him.

    • @SHARON.I
      @SHARON.I วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@simonzonenblick395stop making excuses. That's BS

    • @simonzonenblick395
      @simonzonenblick395 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@SHARON.I He says in his statement that he was informed police had been notified, and in this interview says he had been given police advice not to take things further internally. It didn't make any sense to me either, which is why I posted the question below. I'll ask the person who made the claim regarding this advice if they have any links or sources, because it does seem extremely strange.

    • @alrinaleroux9229
      @alrinaleroux9229 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@simonzonenblick395 He is accountable to God; the police are fallible human beings and not above suspicion themselves.

  • @claredelamer7940
    @claredelamer7940 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +116

    John Smyth was also a QC. He should have been imprisoned 40 years ago.

    • @ZZ-su8ph
      @ZZ-su8ph 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      He abused his own son too, and his son has also supported another victim who Smyth was harassing in an attempt to destroy his relationship.

    • @rebeccahooper7968
      @rebeccahooper7968 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Shows how corrupt Crown Court is with QC so is Starmer

    • @rebeccahooper7968
      @rebeccahooper7968 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Wrote to the boys omfg

    • @roviannematovu3756
      @roviannematovu3756 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Im wondering whether the Bar Council & RCJ knew. It's horrific

    • @edithnyachuru7528
      @edithnyachuru7528 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      Welby you let us down by covering for the church including John Symth

  • @lesleylambourn9113
    @lesleylambourn9113 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +27

    I wouldn't buy a second hand car from this disgusting man. He is as slippery as an eel. This disgusts me to the core. For God's sake be honest at this point.

  • @2504anon
    @2504anon 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +193

    This man answers questions like a politician not the head of a church. Deeply concerning demeanour.

    • @fuckbankers
      @fuckbankers 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      He's part of the establishment.

    • @mvubu6823
      @mvubu6823 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      What do you think the head of a church is?

    • @cjbuchanan2317
      @cjbuchanan2317 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      I’ve never seen a politician fess up to everything like he did there. He didn’t shift blame, he sat and took it

    • @tinygold772
      @tinygold772 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@cjbuchanan2317i disagree - he lied continually. If you take time to read the many historical reports about this, not just the Maiken Report you will see how it would be utterly impossible for Welby not to have known about the open practice of nudity and beatings at Smyths camp in the UK!. Smyth was sent to a psychiatrist by the church, he was made to sign a document agreeing to “stop the beatings” all this was still in the UK. Before he was literally told to leave the UK. Welby knew “officially” in 2013 and he did absolutely nothing, yet he said he would not resign? He went because he was made to go and before hand he did nothing but defend and deflect himself and gave lip service to caring

    • @selah181
      @selah181 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Heretic. Liar.

  • @gillschmid5267
    @gillschmid5267 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +106

    Such a deceitful man, how dare he? Resign immediately.

    • @RonEBigz
      @RonEBigz 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Resign & keep your pension no doubt.

  • @pw4sd931
    @pw4sd931 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +45

    This excellent interviewer is so clued in and directly relentless in her questioning so as to expose this somewhat alarming and cringeworthy display of defensiveness and arrogance. Insufficient curiosity is a savage indictment given the seriousness of the abuse and he is plainly not good enough to oversee and implement any remedial action (he admits his own incompetence in the interview). Yet he justifies continuing by constantly referring to dates of knowledge like a lying politician when it should be about what’s best for safeguarding. My heart bleeds for the victims and I feel sorry for good local parish men and women who deserve better and do better for their communities. Totally selfish.

  • @korrin897
    @korrin897 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +35

    He was friends with the guy. Then did nothing as leader of the church. Embarrassing and no man of God.

  • @anilasharma2371
    @anilasharma2371 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +138

    The eyes and body language is telling a different story. Not the whole truth.

    • @TheWobblyQueen
      @TheWobblyQueen 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      Very shifty

    • @indigohammer5732
      @indigohammer5732 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Pseudo science

    • @toran5330
      @toran5330 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      I agree.

    • @andrewjames9996
      @andrewjames9996 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      He knows a lot more and he is protecting people. He is probably a groomer himself.

    • @sassyx2048
      @sassyx2048 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      He looks so far removed as if his not connecting with the atrocities being sexual abuse. He looks off key. Just resign why should the victims meet you now? If your presenting like this God knows how you will present to the victims traumatising them all over again. I hope they don't meet you as you can offer them nothing that will be soothing for them.

  • @suziequzie26
    @suziequzie26 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +75

    These people are always shocked and horrified but never actually do ANYTHING about it. Sick and tired of hearing these stories and never seeing anybody properly held accountable for the horrendous things they do. Enough is enough. Get rid!!!!

    • @outoforbit00
      @outoforbit00 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Exactly 💯. They need to show accountability by at the very least one resignation. If they don't, there is no accountability and just an awkward interview on Channel 4 to show for it.

    • @ZZ-su8ph
      @ZZ-su8ph 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      And a 5-600 page Learning review that took 5 years.

    • @felixa6997
      @felixa6997 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Exactly

  • @bc8251
    @bc8251 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +33

    Hiding, abaiding, and abbeting a criminal makes you a criminal = jail time

    • @stevenjohnston2263
      @stevenjohnston2263 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      You'd think so - and it does. To you and me.

  • @fleischersgrasscuttingserv6441
    @fleischersgrasscuttingserv6441 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +53

    Resign!

  • @michaelrichard9640
    @michaelrichard9640 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +122

    A man in his position not following this up .. is incredibly and utterly shameful and morally inexcusable

    • @treble20
      @treble20 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      He was also part of the biggest cover-up in human history. The fact that the Lord is alive today in human form and living in the NW of England. Welby failed to comply with an official Church of England investigation on it conducted by Lupton Fawcett solicitors of York.

    • @rrickarr
      @rrickarr 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      How could he not have sent a staff member of a team to investigate this. He could have contacted the police to ask if they had ever received reports. He could have asked the bishops from Africa and ask what they did about this. He could have instructed them to inform the police!!!!! Unbelievable that a man as powerful as him did not get to the bottom of this.

    • @2Uahoj
      @2Uahoj 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Not really. Hindsight is perfect, but at the time, you also would probably have done nothing. The first reaction of most folks is to not believe that a colleague is guilty of something like that. And with all of the duties of the job, it gets pushed aside.

    • @junehitchcock170
      @junehitchcock170 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      7 years to get a report out? He is in charge but he didn’t push for the report?
      If that’s the case he should be sacked for incompetence. He comes across as insincere, deceitful as he chooses his words so ever so slowly and carefully. He is part of the problem. Pompous git.

    • @junehitchcock170
      @junehitchcock170 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@2Uahojpushed aside? No in any job, such abuse would not be pushed aside, unless you are in collusion.

  • @sarahberlot777
    @sarahberlot777 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +150

    What an evil man. Of course he knew. He just loves being archbishop because of the power, pity he has not used that power for good.

    • @bernarddodd9788
      @bernarddodd9788 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

      I agree. It is sickening to see his false piety.

    • @congondubz6257
      @congondubz6257 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      (Diddy party 🥳 Bishop party) all with the young boys⁉️👀

    • @boejiden.11
      @boejiden.11 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      what's. the job role of arch bishop

    • @Ariella-mx3xq4cw6n
      @Ariella-mx3xq4cw6n 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      How many people were you warned about as a young person did you immediately jump to the conclusion they were pedos.

    • @hittitecharioteer
      @hittitecharioteer 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      As did George Carey regarding King Charles' friend Bishop Peter Ball. Sickening?

  • @martin5923
    @martin5923 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +34

    He should be in jail for covering this up.

  • @mikeeyre7315
    @mikeeyre7315 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +152

    "I failed to do the necessary." So do the necessary now and resign!

    • @charmainepriestman915
      @charmainepriestman915 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

      He is responsible he did nothing he should be criminally charged as an accessory

    • @julesviolin
      @julesviolin 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      He has now Thank Christ & I'm not even a believer

    • @kuyskoko00
      @kuyskoko00 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      He did resign

    • @LouMendenez
      @LouMendenez 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      How dare you? Give him a 2nd (35th) chance!

    • @anmcdd4915
      @anmcdd4915 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      RESIGN????
      HE NEEDS TO GET ARRESTED!!!!

  • @isabt4
    @isabt4 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    Enough of this!!! I am so disgusted by churches covering up child sexual abuse, the catholic church, now this! These cases need to be handled by the police and the judicial system! And those covering up need to be held accountable by law

  • @Mutasis_Mutandis
    @Mutasis_Mutandis 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +105

    Welby is despicable. Says he takes full responsibility, but refuses to resign. No wonder the Church of England is on its way out. Can’t happen fast enough.

    • @jake751
      @jake751 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Totally agree it's an awful institution full of his kind. Best just listen to the bible and be a good person. He's no friend of god.

    • @rajkumarijairaj6584
      @rajkumarijairaj6584 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      By staying he will bring changes to this awful system.

    • @Astar-q8l
      @Astar-q8l 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      He never took full responsibility. He tip toes around it. Hence why his actions are as such. He's a coward

    • @Astar-q8l
      @Astar-q8l 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@rajkumarijairaj6584you're a clown if u think that

    • @mikeeyre7315
      @mikeeyre7315 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      The CofE does important work, parish by parish - in particular, pastoral work beyond the remit of social services. It just needs reform at the top.

  • @robertharrison8436
    @robertharrison8436 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +61

    The arrogance of this man is unbelievable

  • @kenjimrankin7485
    @kenjimrankin7485 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +93

    This is the big list of empty excuses I ever heard, he must be sacked, he helped cover it up, shame on him. We have no respect for him at all, no respect at all, he a snake , he must go, NOW.

    • @Minimmalmythicist
      @Minimmalmythicist 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      It occurs to me that he might not have known the full extent, but he had Plenty of indications something was Up and refused to investigate.

  • @brendaroseblade2858
    @brendaroseblade2858 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +40

    How do you know when the Archbishop of Canterbury is lying? When he opens his mouth.

  • @petervick4775
    @petervick4775 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +25

    SHAME ON YOU WELBY. RESIGN!

  • @MohanBuvanendran
    @MohanBuvanendran 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +102

    This is not a man of God. He should be sacked.

    • @helloalanframe
      @helloalanframe 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Jailed

    • @simonnicklin1313
      @simonnicklin1313 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      👍Exactly! He was given the luxury of resigning. He didn't deserve that.

  • @hmq9052
    @hmq9052 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +133

    "I was at a Pizza Express in Woking. Which is a very unusual thing for me to do"

    • @JezzaJW
      @JezzaJW 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      My thoughts exactly!

    • @elisabethschwartz160
      @elisabethschwartz160 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      Does he sweat?

    • @pynn1000
      @pynn1000 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      So many similarities. Including good journalists doing excellent interviews.

    • @fordpopular8792
      @fordpopular8792 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      DID HE MEET PRINCE ANDREW DUKE OF YORK KG GCVO GCB GBE etc. whilst waiting in the queue for a burger ?

    • @sarahf325
      @sarahf325 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@fordpopular8792 No, I think they were waiting for a pizza !!!!!

  • @celticbreeze760
    @celticbreeze760 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +30

    The irony this man stands in the Lords spouting about humanity, and he covered it up Shameful!!! Do the right thing and resign!!!!!!!!

    • @Pacdoc-oz
      @Pacdoc-oz 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      HE DID NOT COVER ANYTHING UP

  • @michaelfayers9230
    @michaelfayers9230 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +38

    Resign immediately,

  • @EBrain-t3n
    @EBrain-t3n 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +46

    The most shocking thing about this is the fact that this was reported to the police in 2013 when KEIR STARMER was head of public prosecutions.
    Unbelievable that a man like that is PM

    • @lillymay3632
      @lillymay3632 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Statmer also desided there was not enough evidence to prosecute Sir Jimmy. A lover of PDF files.

  • @andydean6543
    @andydean6543 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +83

    The Archbishop of Canterbury thinks he is God, he is more in tune with the Devil

    • @abo_909
      @abo_909 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      its rooted in christinaity so iam not surprised to be honest😂

    • @hittitecharioteer
      @hittitecharioteer 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      He will be heading downstairs when he leaves this life.

    • @jake751
      @jake751 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@hittitecharioteeryes with all his mates in Westminster.

    • @jonathanh2605
      @jonathanh2605 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      true

    • @thyikmnnnn
      @thyikmnnnn 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@abo_909what’s rooted in Christianity?

  • @HananiYah-Shad
    @HananiYah-Shad 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +70

    Calling for his resignation is no way near adequate punishment. He needs to be JAILED for his wickedness

  • @tariqhanafi1278
    @tariqhanafi1278 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +50

    After watching the interview, I think the most honourable and responsible thing would be for the Archbishop of Canterbury to resign.

  • @daweshorizon
    @daweshorizon 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

    Where does the buck stop? To directly quote Welby, ' I don't lie on interviews. If I can't tell the truth, I don't answer the question'. Hmm...
    Cathy Newman, what an intelligent reporter. She really had Welby on the 'back foot'. Outstandingly good journalism. Love it!
    I hope for healing to the survivors of Church abuse of young people. Stay strong.
    Love and peace.

  • @sharonhutchinson1574
    @sharonhutchinson1574 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +63

    He should resign .He has come away from the word of God the bible.

    • @Pmrace1960
      @Pmrace1960 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      the bible would be on his side.....in the bible a woman who had been raped were made to marry her attacker.........

    • @jake751
      @jake751 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      He's probably never read it.

    • @cardroid8615
      @cardroid8615 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      He's not a Christian, he's been in the church for yrs now subbferting it from within. He says we should accept infinity illegals, even tho the negative repercussions. He now says 🌈 can marry. He promotes all angles of wokeness. They say that you can reach God not only through Christ but now other ways too!! He's a heretic. It's scandal after scandal with him. He needs to be forced out!

  • @georgehunt6012
    @georgehunt6012 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +115

    Why are these paedophiles allowed to police themselves?

    • @HananiYah-Shad
      @HananiYah-Shad 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Most of the people who are in positions to police the pedophiles are also deplorable pedophiles

    • @EdwardThatch-ee7yx
      @EdwardThatch-ee7yx 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +25

      Because they are ALL in on it. The BBC, The Royal Family, the Church of England, The Police force, Politicians, Children Charities etc etc

    • @lmtt123
      @lmtt123 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      It's the same in all institutions

    • @mariannehavisham8323
      @mariannehavisham8323 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@georgehunt6012 he wasn't a paedophile. The abuse was not sexual and he abused adult men

    • @georgehunt6012
      @georgehunt6012 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@mariannehavisham8323 The evangelical Christian, sadistically abused boys and young men, so badly some had to wear nappies. Why do you think they needed to wear nappies? Shoving things up little boys arses is sexual paedophilic abuse and the fact you dont see that is worrying.

  • @brendaroseblade2858
    @brendaroseblade2858 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +37

    I can’t stand that woke man. One of the worst men in the C of E church. He should resign. He’s a nuisance. Interfering old fool. Go!

  • @k30sking
    @k30sking 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +38

    RESIGN - surely he has no option. ‘Insufficiently curious’ is a great quote. He is very careful with his words. I am so pleased he is going to held to account over this, I am sure he will and I am delighted.

    • @rajkumarijairaj6584
      @rajkumarijairaj6584 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      He should stay and bring charges. He is the best Archbishop of Canterbury as long as I remember.
      For 61 years

  • @numbereightyseven
    @numbereightyseven 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +49

    A truly contrite and honest person in this position of power, would suggest closing down the whole organization.

    • @robertdavidson8028
      @robertdavidson8028 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I'm not sure about that (even though I'm an atheist myself ) as I think that's probably expecting too much from him and the organisation ( i.e. it's rather a wild assertion), but he should have resigned when the matter came back to him, or, better, dealt with it properly when he first got to know about it - which, he claims, is in 2013 - so at least back then. Then he wouldn't have had to resign as he now has had to, and some members of my siblings and their families wouldn't be feeling distressed and let down by their church right now, I'm guessing.
      Myself, I went through choir school and public school a long time ago (60's and 70's) so I already know how venal people who claim to be godly, or who represent the church can be. However it's not all of them; at my public school we ( the boys) thought (and we might have over-estimated a bit) that about a third of the masters were paedos. However I do know, for a fact, that one of the chaplaincy staff was, and the suspicion was that another one was as well, over the time I was there, about which I'm less sure. There was also a very nice gentle man in that team, who was very godly, and a bit naive I suspect, so it's important to realise that it's the bad eggs, not everybody, in most, if not all, organisations.

    • @annflannery2055
      @annflannery2055 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      What a VILE man he is should be arrested 😡

  • @WhataboutTRUTH
    @WhataboutTRUTH 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +78

    He should be dismissed now. He is a disgrace to the church

    • @terryowen7449
      @terryowen7449 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      The church is a disgrace.

    • @jake751
      @jake751 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@terryowen7449you can't blame everyone for the crimes these abusers commit

    • @cardroid8615
      @cardroid8615 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@terryowen7449yes bc of evil heretics like him

  • @JayThomas-x1o
    @JayThomas-x1o 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +28

    Love how she interrogates this beast! Shame on him!

  • @SelectImage
    @SelectImage 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +56

    Justin, accept that you fell short, your ego and powerful position made it hard to do the right thing. Do it now and seek redemption.

    • @denisemarionjames1487
      @denisemarionjames1487 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They are wolves in sheep clothing that is how Justin Welby will be seen from now on..he must resign

    • @WayneFletcher-sk4ci
      @WayneFletcher-sk4ci 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I've just gave him my Christmas blessings

    • @cardroid8615
      @cardroid8615 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      He's not a Christian, he's been in the church for yrs now subverting it from within. He says we should accept infinity illegal immigrants, even tho terrorism. He now says gays can marry. He promotes all angles of wokeness. They say that you can reach God not only through Christ but now other ways!! He's a heretic. It's scandal after scandal with him. He needs to be forced out!

    • @cardroid8615
      @cardroid8615 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      He's not a Christian, he's been in the church for yrs now subbferting it from within. He says we should accept infinity migrants, even tho of the negative repercussions. He now says 🌈 can marry. He promotes all angles of wokeness. They say that you can reach God not only through Christ but now other ways too!! He's a heretic. It's scandal after scandal with him. He needs to be forced out!

  • @JezzaJW
    @JezzaJW 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +39

    It’s like watching the Prince Andrew interview all over again!!

  • @EdwardThatch-ee7yx
    @EdwardThatch-ee7yx 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +103

    This chap is an absolute idiot. He shouldn’t have ever been allowed to rise to the highest level of the English Church. He has let all of us down. This latest scandal is just one of many.

    • @muellkoerbchen
      @muellkoerbchen 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Precisely!

    • @muellkoerbchen
      @muellkoerbchen 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Precisely!

    • @trishawilson1436
      @trishawilson1436 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      His support of Freemasonry is another scandal.

    • @joshuataylor3550
      @joshuataylor3550 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Hmm, he's not an abuser himself. Real question is why the church has so many abusers? I wonder why god did that?

    • @andrewjames9996
      @andrewjames9996 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@joshuataylor3550 I don't he is an abuser but I do think he is a groomer for his friends. Nearly all the Archbishops were in the closet or involved with S.A

  • @alalder1533
    @alalder1533 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +109

    He should be sacked. The worst ever Anglican Archbishop of Canterbury.

    • @brendaroseblade2858
      @brendaroseblade2858 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      100% the worst, he’s an interfering old woke. I can’t stand him and the Labour government, this country is in a real mess.

    • @Randomequestrian-pm4hl
      @Randomequestrian-pm4hl 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      Welby said that 'safeguarding will define' his tenure. I'll rephrase this for him: "FAILURE in safeguarding" will define his tenure of disgrace.

    • @denisemarionjames1487
      @denisemarionjames1487 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      @@Randomequestrian-pm4hlI am angry with this man for not following this up. He must resign now…I’m finding Justin Welby sickening! He is trying to hold on, to save himself, he knows that it’s over. Safe guarding, he doesn’t have a clue. I worked in social services for 35 years and I know about safe guarding and it’s too late the crimes have been committed!
      For all the words he’s spoken has been ‘saving himself!

    • @Randomequestrian-pm4hl
      @Randomequestrian-pm4hl 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@denisemarionjames1487 A lot of people are angry, I'm sure. I'm going to see if one can report this here in Cape town ie the failure to report suspected child abuse then the local Anglican 'worthies' must step up and account for their action/inaction, and they can pass the buck upward. What I can't understand is how any half-decent human can know a predator is hiding in their midst and keep it quiet. There must be justice for the survivors who have suffered so much, and their lifelong anguish, and the Welbys of this world must learn to have a conscience and a modicum of moral courage. my heart goes out to all those who were abuse - few will have had much support or therapy here, I suspect. Tragedy and evil.

    • @stechriswillgil3686
      @stechriswillgil3686 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      He's a despicable spineless jelly fish of a man . Like most Clergy.

  • @moscott7292
    @moscott7292 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +43

    He's acting as if this is the first case!!! They should already have had safeguarding systems in place for these sexual criminals...Disgusting!! NO EXCUSES!!!!

    • @jake751
      @jake751 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      He's acting like a devious politician and we aren't fooled.

  • @RunPJs
    @RunPJs 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +190

    45 years ago, my grandad advised me as a child that if I'm approached by a police officer, say Yes sir.
    And if I'm approached by a Vicar, run!

    • @notfarrightjustright
      @notfarrightjustright 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      absolutely true 👍

    • @Layoobi
      @Layoobi 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      😂😂😂😂😢😢

    • @NeemahKing-pm1gq
      @NeemahKing-pm1gq 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

      You should now RUN if both approached you.

    • @Codge5
      @Codge5 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      😧

    • @jake751
      @jake751 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      😂😂

  • @anilasharma2371
    @anilasharma2371 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

    He should go.

  • @andrewlane1475
    @andrewlane1475 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +144

    He sounds remarkably like Prince Andrew !!!

    • @arthurtaylor2496
      @arthurtaylor2496 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

      They are both in the elite.

    • @brendaroseblade2858
      @brendaroseblade2858 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      Untouchable you mean? Agree.

    • @Dogfacedbloke
      @Dogfacedbloke 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      But less convincing.

    • @peace_oceans
      @peace_oceans 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      He’ll be saying he’s too honourable next

    • @Nigel-y3g
      @Nigel-y3g 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      good point.

  • @grapegripe
    @grapegripe 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +35

    “I don’t give a hang about the institution, I really genuinely don’t” - that sums up a lot

  • @woodenseagull1899
    @woodenseagull1899 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +59

    It would be better and right for the present Archbishop to resign immediately...

    • @junehitchcock170
      @junehitchcock170 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      He is not a religious leader. Chasing the power instead with no honesty or integrity.

    • @abo_909
      @abo_909 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      it would be better for him to leave the country how about that? damn you christians are thick😂

  • @rockgrove3
    @rockgrove3 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

    It should not take 10 years for something so horrific to be dealt with. The Archbishop has failed horrifically. He will be severely dealt with by THE Judge. 😢

  • @abbyipaye4803
    @abbyipaye4803 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +62

    Is this the same man who was asked by channel4 about Gaza victims in October 2023 and was so nonchalant? He talked like a politician instead of a humanitarian.

    • @AllanHinde-mb2pr
      @AllanHinde-mb2pr 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      He can be right about one thing and wrong about another the people in Gazza deserve no sympathy

    • @jubai12345
      @jubai12345 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

      @@AllanHinde-mb2pr it appears as though you are of a similar mindset.

    • @AllanHinde-mb2pr
      @AllanHinde-mb2pr 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      @ most people waking up every day, mate

    • @NeemahKing-pm1gq
      @NeemahKing-pm1gq 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      EXACTLY

    • @boejiden.11
      @boejiden.11 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@AllanHinde-mb2prpeople of Palestine deserve and have every deepest sympathy that belongs to them alone

  • @stuarttrewern
    @stuarttrewern 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    This man's body signals defy him - "I was shocked to the core" meantime shaking his head...

  • @williamarchibald9931
    @williamarchibald9931 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +36

    For me the church is a no go. It don't mean I am not a believer. It's the church that's wandered away from god.

    • @hmq9052
      @hmq9052 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Or... God is a major kink. And keeps calling dodgy bastards to the cloth

    • @williamarchibald9931
      @williamarchibald9931 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @hmq9052 well. Maybe.

    • @fuckbankers
      @fuckbankers 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Boy Scouts.
      Boys Brigade...

  • @Rosiedelaroux
    @Rosiedelaroux 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

    He is clearly working for the DEVIL - not reporting these evil and vile sickness. What about the victims- it’s a national disgrace.

  • @philipparees2177
    @philipparees2177 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +31

    Oh the posture of faux concern, the over-elaboration of irrelevant details, the evasion, the sanctimony! Nearly as good as Andrew, just as transparent! He , like all WEF stooges, is complicit in degrading the Church. He was put there for that reason, just as Charles amended his oath. All in the same Club!

    • @numbereightyseven
      @numbereightyseven 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      "the over-elaboration of irrelevant details". Yes, well said. That's exactly what's going on here. And it screams guilt.

  • @paulgruffudd5531
    @paulgruffudd5531 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +25

    “I don’t lie on interviews’ ‘If I can’t tell the truth I don’t answer the question’ WTF!!

  • @jeremytan5297
    @jeremytan5297 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +28

    As a Christian, im sure we do not acknowledge him as even a Christian to begin with. Just look at the state of the CoE, he should have resigned years ago frankly.

  • @Sasha-yg2ng
    @Sasha-yg2ng 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    They didn’t care because it was in Africa, until the abuse came to them in the Uk. So many stories from their kind in Africa and even in Rome…the headquarters of these lots.🤢🤮

    • @dariagreer3078
      @dariagreer3078 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      The sad thing This vile useless deplorable man is convince that he is going directly to Heaven. God help us.

  • @derekking8690
    @derekking8690 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    he looks and sounds as guilty of sin ... literally 🤮🤮

  • @shelleyphilcox4743
    @shelleyphilcox4743 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Resign. Resign. Resign.

  • @arthurtaylor2496
    @arthurtaylor2496 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +60

    Typical elitist behaviour not doing the honourable thing and resigning.

    • @jake751
      @jake751 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Evil 😈 to the core.

  • @tomjamesf
    @tomjamesf 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +24

    Any other job and he would have been sacked for negligence, why is the church special?

    • @wlj344
      @wlj344 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It isn't special, that's the point.

  • @RichardFraser-y9t
    @RichardFraser-y9t 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +30

    Time to go.

  • @cardroid8615
    @cardroid8615 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    Man he really does exude evilness. I always knew there was something so very wrong with this man. He's a heretic. He's destroying Christianity from within

  • @hmq9052
    @hmq9052 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +40

    "Will you resign?"
    "Um. No-ooo Because I have a tendency to be too honourable?"

  • @jostopps1319
    @jostopps1319 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    Vile, vile enabler. The police should investigate what else he’s hiding. No moral fibre.

  • @gherkamum
    @gherkamum 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +48

    Welby Must Go....

    • @wendyharris8026
      @wendyharris8026 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Agreed. This is not a man of God.

  • @lindahall8703
    @lindahall8703 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Children rely on adults to speak up for them. Children do not have a voice without this protection. When there is a whiff of child abuse it is hard to understand why the issue became bogged in systems and why police and law were not involved. The Church essentially gave John Smythe time and license to continue his heinous acts against defenseless CHILDREN. Listen, act, protect, prosecute.

  • @HuePhong-mz3qh
    @HuePhong-mz3qh 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    Don't believe a word this thing says. And who are these who give him advice? Ask for names. They need to be removed as well.

  • @yanp5701
    @yanp5701 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +35

    The question is why he did nothing when he knew this evil acts. Power? Fear?
    Why he is still lying?

    • @jake751
      @jake751 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      P R I D E the worst of the 7 deadly sins. Can't admit he failed miserably.

    • @peterzinya1
      @peterzinya1 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@jake751 He didnt fail. he protected his fellow molester.

    • @alrinaleroux9229
      @alrinaleroux9229 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Hoping that the dust will settle and people will forget and stop paying attention? Because that is what usually happens, except if the outrage is too extreme to be easily forgotten.

    • @peterzinya1
      @peterzinya1 วันที่ผ่านมา

      He does it too.

  • @judd442009
    @judd442009 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    An interview as shockingly disturbing as the interview with Prince Andrew.

  • @Steve-bo6ht
    @Steve-bo6ht 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

    The main question we should be asking is what did Smyth have on the Archbishop

    • @Mutasis_Mutandis
      @Mutasis_Mutandis 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      Good one! Archbishop Vigano famously said that anyone who is not corrupt cannot be blackmailed.

  • @sanjayshah7776
    @sanjayshah7776 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

    The Archbishop is pathetic and inccompetent at best. I run a business and if any person gave any suggestion that another employee sexually abused anyone in the business, I have to carry out a full scale investigation and call the police

  • @didboy74
    @didboy74 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +62

    He sounds like an MP. He sounds like a man devoid of the holy spirit. Takes no real responsibility and displays no contrition.
    He should resign.

    • @hittitecharioteer
      @hittitecharioteer 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Ed Davey of The Post Office scandal? The Post Office DID KNOW - as did Mr Ed Davey MP. This much has actually been proven.
      I'd say that at the very least Welby's situation can be compared to Prince Andrew's in that his credibility and judgement are so compromised that his reputation is now utterly diminished to a point that every day he hangs on brings more disrepute to the Church. Frankly, I don't see how he can face a congregation? What moral discourse can he engage in that can be listened to by a public yearning for spiritual guidance? I'd conjecture none.

    • @jake751
      @jake751 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Devils disciple

    • @cardroid8615
      @cardroid8615 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      He's not a Christian, he's been in the church for yrs now subbferting it from within. He says we should accept infinity illegals, even tho the negative repercussions. He now says 🌈 can marry. He promotes all angles of wokeness. They say that you can reach God not only through Christ but now other ways too!! He's a heretic. It's scandal after scandal with him. He needs to be forced out!

  • @sarahgrowsstuff
    @sarahgrowsstuff 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    2013 and he didn't go to the police. If he knew about him he knew about others. 0 tolerance on people who cover crimes against children.

  • @d.pbriers8060
    @d.pbriers8060 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    This is what they do - delay, delay, delay. He should resign. Welby is useless.

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    @HBLady16 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +114

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      @jazmincarrillo 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

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    • @HBLady16
      @HBLady16 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      After I raised up to 525k trading with her I bought a new House and a car here in the states 🇺🇸🇺🇸 also paid for my son's surgery (Oscar). Glory to God.shalom.

    • @JuNsoy
      @JuNsoy 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I've always wanted to be involved for a long time but the volatility in the price has been very confusing to me. Although I have watched a lot of TH-cam videos about it but I still find it hard to understand.

  • @NeemahKing-pm1gq
    @NeemahKing-pm1gq 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +32

    Start a petition asap. Channel 4, STOP deleting comments

    • @anonymous1297
      @anonymous1297 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      I think there is a petition.

  • @tomcanton3393
    @tomcanton3393 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    What a disgusting liar. He's sitting there hold as brass and in cloth lying through his teeth

  • @dmac4079
    @dmac4079 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

    Prince Andrew wearing a dog collar.😂 Welby also doesn't sweat and was at a pizza express at the time.

  • @SmellingTheGrass
    @SmellingTheGrass 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    This is why faith should always remain personal and never subject to an organised and corruptible institution
    where deference to the pedestal becomes more important than the deity itself. Shame on you Welby!

  • @BrendanZ-cd4wr
    @BrendanZ-cd4wr 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    Pedophilic abuse was a rite of passage in the church and this guy is just as culpable which is why he condoned their ungodly behaviour and serial abuse of children. He seems untruthful.

    • @indigohammer5732
      @indigohammer5732 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They venerate human sacrifice and torture. Raping children is nothing.

  • @sarahbarton2089
    @sarahbarton2089 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +34

    Welby felt shocked in many ways etc
    WHAT ABOUT Smyth's victims?
    Didn't he question what Smyth was doing in Zimbabwe and South Africa to young men and boys? He was charged with Culpable Homicide there following the death of a young man.
    Why did he send contributions to his 'Missions' in Africa? And exchange Christmas Cards with Smyth at that time?
    Why does Welby say 'not made aware FORMALLY''. What's 'formally got to do with it?
    It is SO WRONG.

    • @Layoobi
      @Layoobi 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      😢😢😢😢

    • @stechriswillgil3686
      @stechriswillgil3686 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      He's the worst kind of Tory minister in a dog collar.

  • @mojalalunia
    @mojalalunia 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    These people are devils, they still can act innocent.
    Look at the body language, it is pure acting and pure evil.

  • @Chris-4i2
    @Chris-4i2 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    It stinks of a cover-up at the highest level

  • @andrewadam9544
    @andrewadam9544 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    He is nothing but an enabler ! he'd still be covering it up to this day if he hadnt been caught covering it up. And there will be more for sure ! His actions on this and other matters of religion prove him to be the most un-Christian , Christian in these isles !

  • @lindapow9351
    @lindapow9351 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    They should be stripped of their wealth , that money should be dished out to 😮those effected …

  • @TheWobblyQueen
    @TheWobblyQueen 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

    “ We were told 9 months it took 5 years” utter bullshit. Any public office, any work environment if this happened it’d be a sacking. You find out why it’s taking so long on any project any proposal any documents.

  • @k30sking
    @k30sking 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    OK he has admitted being wrong in not chasing it up. Therefore, he is not doing his job correctly, by turning a blind eye. He has admitted failing not to do more. Why has there got to be a system in place? Surely, you just get up and get on with finding out what is going on yourself.

  • @jillhornby5604
    @jillhornby5604 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    If he had any decency he should resign.

  • @AudreyWalker-ku8wg
    @AudreyWalker-ku8wg 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    This vile beast should be charged with child abuse. He covered it up. He is not a man of god he is evil.

  • @richardcole9558
    @richardcole9558 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    He sat on his hands and did nothing , shame on him and his cohorts ..