WEAKER than .223/5.56?! 30-30 Winchester Nosler Ballistic Tip 150gr Ammo Test
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In this video we’re going to do a ballistics gel test and review of the following hunting ammunition fired from the following test rifle:
- 30-30 Winchester Nosler 150 grain Ballistic Tip
- Glenfield 30A (Marlin 336) chambered in 30-30 Winchester with a 20 inch barrel
All shots are fired from a distance of 100 yards to encompass the majority of common real world hunting scenarios.
I will be shooting into 10% ballistics gel from www.clearballistics.com that has been calibrated to meet the FBI ballistics testing protocol.
While ballistics gel isn’t an exact proxy for big game, small game, predators or defensive situations, it does provide a repeatable medium through which to test various bullets and ammunitions against each other.
With each type of ammo tested I collect data on bullet penetration depth, bullet weight retention, bullet expansion and muzzle velocity.
For reference, bullet expansion is measured at the widest expanded point using a calibrated Frankford Arsenal Digital Caliper.
Bullet weight is measured using a calibrated Frankford Arsenal Digital Scale after having removed as much ballistics gel as possible from the expanded bullets.
Bullet velocity is measured using a ProChronoPal chronograph set approximately 7’ from the shooting bench.
I am fully aware that a chronograph measuring bullet velocity from 7’ away from the muzzle is going to register a slower velocity than if velocity were measured directly at the muzzle, but that difference is going to be so small as to be all but irrelevant in regards to comparison of actual measured velocity versus factory stated velocity.
My goal with these ballistics gel tests is to provide hunters like you and I with the most objective information possible to help us make the best choice for our particular hunting situation.
The results of these tests are my own and I cannot guarantee the same or similar performance on your part. The views and opinions expressed in this video are solely my own.
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This Nosler ammo might be useful to people who are recoil sensitive. Otherwise what is the selling point of low velocity 30-30 ammo? Thanks for the tests and another excellent video.
I don’t know, these results were pretty wack. Glad to be of service!
I love the way you test expansion at REAL hunting distances ! Most yah yahs here test at 25 or less, who shoots at game 25 yards ? Great vid.
I just bought a box for my wife’s 30-30 as a stocking stuffer
I was a little surprised when I looked at the box and saw such a low velocity.
Thanks for your test now I know what to expect from it.
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Man i love your videos. No bias or prejudice against any brand even across different calibers, just results. I loved what you said in one of your other videos where you said it may be a bad box but the fact is anyone using those for hunting could get that box off the shelf and have poor results which as an ethical hunter is not good. I used to not be a big fan of federal ammunition but after watching your videos it seems theyve really really improved over the past few years. Ive always been a big hornady and nosler fan but they seem to have been slacking in performance compared to federal and norma based off the tests in your videos. Its also crazy seeing the vast results in the same line of ammunition just changing calibers. Hopefully these videos catch serious traction so that it can kinda hold these ammo manufacturers to the fire if they perform badly or not as advertised so that they may get their act together to produce better bullet performance for what customers pay for. Not many hunters are interested in the "ballistics" of various calibers and bullets types like i am so i enjoy these very much cause it can prove that you sometimes cant just grab a box of ammo and get ethical deer/elk/coyote etc results. Fantastic videos man. No paid sponsorship, bias, b/s. Just plain in your face results. Keep them coming man!
That velocity is not too far off from what I get from my rifle with a 240 grain 44mag
Indeed, a 240gr .44 cal bullet going 1,800 fps is a different animal than these
Thanks for the great video! Nosler really blew it with this ammo. Even if they had expanded "okay", which they sure as heck didn't, the trajectory would be so poor, and the energy would be so lacking, compared to every other brand of .30-30 ammo, terminal performance would be inferior to every other brand available....AND...that's even if it lived up to its stated velocity, which it doesn't. Thanks for the info. Nosler knows better and could have done better, but didn't want to, that's obvious. Do you think they would have done such a poor job with something like the .30 Nosler? No way! They just didn't care enough to make a high performance.30-30 load. Sad.
What a bummer man, I was waiting for you to test these. Those rounds shoot great out of my rifle, definitely the best out of the 4 types I tested. Looks like I gotta go back to testing 😅
And then there are the Hornady ballistic tip rounds, when fired out of my Winchester and Marlin lever guns that either act like FMJ and just sail on through or grenade at maybe 6-8". I keep a small stash of those rounds on hand for "just in case" I can't find more dependable traditional rounds or all the components I need to handload traditional rounds for my .30-30s .35 Remington, and .444 Marlin rifles but I, and several friends that I hunt with, have learned not to trust ballistic tip ammo out of our lever guns.
Great video
👍👍thanks for your information good video keep shooting
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Man during the shortage I got a box of these. Glad I didn't use them. Got plenty of Remington core lock now. I'm sticking to the deadliest mushroom in the woods. Great video. Always love these videos. Never seen any but 30-30 videos of yours. If you have a 243 or 35 Remington would love to see how different calibers and rounds work in the jell. Thanks again for the good content.
Glad to be of service! I’ve done several different calibers, have some more 243 videos coming in a few days
Thank you
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I have a box or 2 of these in my stash. Havent shot them yet. Bought em during covid when i couldnt find any other 30-30 ammo.
A box of anything had is better than not I suppose
Just the facts Sir .Great review
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I pulled a hornady 123gr SST from a whitetail that looked exactly like that.
All this great information on different ammo. I do think you're missing out on not testing their grouping ability
That seems to be so dependent on individual rifles especially lever actions. I have one 30-30 that will shoot virtually any factory or handloaded ammo in 2 inches or less and another that only likes a select few ammo combinations and will spray 6" groups with loads it doesn't like.
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I have that same exact gun. Made by Marlin!!! Awesome
Nosler reloading data shows these numbers to essentially be starting loads for several powders from a 20" Wiseman test barrel.
Indeed, these results were wack
it's test like yours that warns us hunters. For a low recoil round, probably would be just fine. they sure did penetrate though. that really surprised me.
Without expansion almost anything goes deep, there are multiple 30-30 loads that penetrated to similar depths with far better overall performance. Glad to be of service!
Watching this made me wonder if my .357 Mag lever gun shooting Federal American Eagle JSP could match this watered down 30-30. Any chance you have a 357 carbine to test?
You may have missed an opportunity. A phone call to Nosler might have given some answers. It would be interesting to hear what they say about your test, whether they give you serious consideration or just copium.
It is what it is, I’m doing every load in every popular caliber, the results are what they are. I honestly don’t care what they have to say, the results speak for themselves.
Thanks for this test. Very surprising results, but you have the facts. As an aside, during covid the only 30-30 ammo I saw was from the Hornady 160 gr ftx. It would not chamber in my Savage 340. Other ammo which I still had on hand fit just fine. Contacted Hornady and they had never seen such a thing. Traded it off for some standard stuff which chambered ok. Over this last black Friday found some ftx ammo at a great price so I bought a box. It chambers just fine. Haven't had time to shoot it. First box must have been defective. Happens with the best companies. Even happens with handloads. This box of Noslers might be defective. Maybe try another box some time and just give a brief update to see whether the poor showing is typical for this load. Thanks again for your testing. Gives people real world information on factory ammo.
Glad to be of service. It is what it is, the box I get gets tested, it’s not feasible to test every lot of every load in every caliber that comes off the line. I’m doing every load in every popular caliber that exists. Somehow certain manufacturers seem to have a lot more issues than others.
@@masonleather A lot of work! Guess you have job security. Enjoy your posts and tests. Have a great day.
Heat gun works wonders on ballistic gel
Yea it was 115 degrees when I filmed this and about 45 other videos, it wasn’t a priority. I will smooth new blocks in the future.
I might try them in my own hand loads and get the velocity up to above average for a 30-30. I would like to see the performance with these projectiles then.
Well, in fairness, you do ask for personal experiences using various types of ammo. I do not dispute what I see, you seem to do very fair testing.
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Bought 3 boxes of this last week before picking up a Merlin 336 made in the 60s. Could have bought 5 boxes of remington for the cost of 3 of these. Guess i should have done my research first 😬
Interesting video thks
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It’d be interesting to see what those bullets would do when handloaded to 2300 fps.
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My guess is that @ 2300 FPS, expansion would be significantly improved and gel penetration would still be in the ballpark of 17-20". Weight retention would Likely be pretty low. These bullets were engineered for handloads running normal 150 grain speeds I am betting. These factory loads are just plain weird given all we have been conditioned to expect from Nosler Ballistic Tip Bullets in general.
Nosler makes great bullets.
I’ve never been impressed with their ammo though.
I love Nosler, but they leave a lot to be desired in their ammo.
Looking at the specs of the ammo they claim a 24” test barrel. Which could account for about 100 fps but not 200.
Nosler gonna ruin their reputation putting out junk like that. Especially when they charge top $ for all their products. Just bought their 140gr ballistic tip for my 280rem for about 50 bucks, I'll be chronographing them first chance I get. Thanks again great job!
I’m looking forward to trying these in different calibers, but as you said, it’s extremely pricey, so I haven’t yet, I might have to just to see because if they’re all downloaded like this that’s crazy (no idea if they are).
@@masonleatherI’ve tested 280ai and 30-30 nosler with the 30-30 I got right around the same results in velocity I did have one go 2043 fps and as for the 280 tho it was 160gr nosler partitions box advertised 2950 I got around 2900 fps
Nosler ruined their factory ammo rep a long time ago. I had a round blow up in my bench 6.5 cm as soon as it locked into battery without me touching the trigger. It flattened the case too my bolt and ruined it. I've known of several other people who have had similar things happen
@@jdibben29 I hope nobody got injured, I had some nosler 308win 165gr ballistic tip that was hard to close the bolt on plus they were loaded to hot, chronograph @ almost 2800 fps from a 20" barrel. Had to force the bolt back open! Left a shiny spot on case head. Way too high pressure I won't shoot the rest of them I'll probably pull the bullets & reload them
@keithreese9636 no one was hurt but it sure scared the hell out of me and it burned my beard a little when the explosion of the primer/round came back through my bolt.
Bet we see this ammo being discontinued and sold out at half price soon. That load is an embarrassment to Nosler. This makes blue box Federal 150s look like a super premium at a raging bargain price point.
Federal Powershok 150gr 30-30’s are amazing, did that test a while back… Federal as a whole tends to perform at a level beyond all competition.
@@masonleather Same here. Some of my best results have come from Power Shoks in 30-30, 350 Legend, and 12 ga. sabots. Accuracy is good and never had an animal lost.
What will a 30-30 170 grain jacketed hollow point do?
There is no worse insult to a man than to tell him that he has a slow barrel😂. Never been a big fan of loaded nosler ammo. Too expensive and typically unimpressive. Good video 👍
Glad to be of service! Apparently all my barrels are slow, and probably short too 🤣
Joe Friday- "Just the facts mam."
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Interesting. I wonder if this is their low recoil stuff and they just forgot to put it on the box. 😂 The Mrs shoots the low recoil stuff out of her lever but we are working up to the average factory loads. She’s doing good considering all she’s ever shot was a 22 and my AR.
That Ammo is not for me 🙈
I'll stick with my old green box lol
Corelokt 30-30 does very well
If I were a bettin' man, My guess would be that since the 30 WCF (30-30) was introduced on 1895, Nosler's lawyers are worried that a full power load might blow someones antique rifle up.
I do know that right from the start. Winchester only used nitro barrels for the 30WCF rifle, but barrel steel has gone through years of development for high strength, mainly through WWII gun barrel steel became far stronger and lighter.
It is the reason why there are +P versions of ammo like 9mm, 38 special and 45ACP, and the box's will say not for use in older guns, and some will download the standard ammo for safety reasons (I mean avoiding lawsuits).
Another example would be 45-70.
Good test.i stay away from that ammo.😊😊😊
When is .270 coming?
I have a Winchester model 94 that dates back to 1974. The rifle is in perfect functioning order but my question is can I shoot the newer lever-evolution ammo through it without worrying about the rifle being able to handle it ? Any opinions on this ?
I think you are really safe. 1973 is a long way from 1894 steels.
Shoot away. That Hornady ammo is fine in any .30-30 that is in safe shooting condition. Peak pressure is within SAAMI industry standards. It's the pressure curve of the powder that makes it get magic velocity.
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I love that you are doing hunting loads but your jell is so cloudy we can't see what is going on in the jell.
The gel was perfectly clear, that was a brand new block. The surface is wavy because it was wrapped in plastic for shipping, after I melt them down once that goes away. There wasn’t much to look at anyway. Next batch of new blocks I get I will smooth the new ones first.
Wow… I almost bought some of these a while back. Definitely the worst performing 30-30 you’ve tested so far IMO. That velocity is bizarre.
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PPU - 3030,,
FUSION - 3030,,
If u can find them
This kind of testing is going to remove the invisible factor that ammo makers can hide behind. If you bought this ammo (or other ammo) and never had a problem, you would never know that some cheaper product is actually out performing it at almost half the price.
Call me Dorothy on the yellow brick road
Seems to be a light target load.
Hard to see through that gel with all the ripples and lines.
I watched the video and had no issue seeing what there was to see, which wasn’t much, but I will smooth new blocks in the future. Once they’re melted down once there perfectly smooth.
Maybe a low recoil round for kids?
That’s an option
Wow. That does not even meet the 1200 ft lbs of muzzle energy required to hunt in Maryland.
Dang
I’d contact Nosler and see were these a manufacturing SNAFU and loaded wrong. If not it’d seem they just didn’t test this load or projectile.
It is what it is, the box I get gets tested, it’s not feasible to test every lot of every load in every caliber that comes off the line.
@@masonleather seems you really don’t like comments. You normally have a crappy response.
They sure are proud of it....2.00 + a round.
I know right
Buds gun shop has the best prices for ammo honestly fast a F shipping and I'm not even sponsored it is just amazing. Also those rounds from noxler is 32 bucks a box with 5 dollars haz fee isn't bad a all
that was a sad expansion, it could almost be replaced with fmj.
nosler was deffinately hitting under the mark here
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@masonleather do you think that this low powered bullet would work better if they had an unstable bullet, so it starts tumbling immediately? I've seen some pistol bullets that do thay, though I have no idea if that would work in a rifle
Not very impressive… I’ll stick with federal blue box over those, and much cheaper. I did buy a box of hammerdown after watching your video, we’ll have to see how they group out of my marlin…. Thanks for sharing!
Junk! Can’t believe Nosler puts these out. The rest of their ballistic tip line is awesome. I would assume they need to get up past 2200/2300 fps to come apart.
Good test!
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A case of lack of steam. an extra 450 fps would of helped.
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Not very impressive to me. Thank you for good demonstration.
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Lol wth., i got a box of that, its target ammo now iguess . Lol
I dont think anybody expected that eh
Me neither
Buffalo Bore 190gr loads are rated faster!! hahaha
Good coyote load i guess. 😂
Wow, that is one goofy looking terrible trajectory chart on the box. Way too slow. Give me run of the mill cheap soft points from Winchester, Remington or Federal any day.
Yea I’m not sure what they’re thinking with this one
Wow, these are seriously weak. This is short-barrel .300 Blackout performance, not .30-30.🤨 Normally I'm a big Nosler fan, but I'd never buy these.
Actually that’s a great way of explaining it, very similar to 300 BLK
Ballistic Tip bullets are taking a hit here. If this was getting about 2250 FPS at the muzzle, we wouldnt be seeing such lame terminal performance here.
I’d think so
I'm not impressed with the Noslers.
Nosler is overpriced for what it is they make good bullets but their competition is doing way better with price and availability
I tend to agree. Nosler may be about to take a hit and a loss of market share. You can be the best at making anything but price yourself beyond the limits of your greatest potential customer base. There are things I wouldn't buy if I was swimming in money. I don't need much of a bullet to punch holes in paper or a 150 pound deer just fine.
Certainly appears to be some funny stuff going on
Unacceptable performance, those need more speed and they might perform. My $0.02
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That stuff is just a big joke and a waste of money.
It really is mind boggling
It's a low recoil hunting for women & kids & such. So what? You can get low recoil in many calibers.
Shotgun ammo also, in low recoil, slugs, buckshot. Nosler listed the velocity on the box, you bought them, duh!
It didn’t come close to the listed velocity and it’s not marketed as a low recoil option, duh 🥴
It says so on the chart that it's low velocity DUH! 2000 fps! Nosler can't help it if you can't read! DUH@@masonleather
Almost all of Nosler ammo is anemic and over priced.