I have an original wave and it is so much of a chunk that I just stopped carrying it unless I had a specific job that needed pliers. On the other hand as soon as I discovered SwissQlip makes a pocket clip for 91mm Victorinox I have been EDCing my Victorinox Explorer and haven't looked back. I do like my leatherman wave... but my day to day just doesn't require pliers very often at all.
i just got myself a gerber dime vecause i was putting together a general use kit to keep in my car. never felt the need of a multitool in my edc but omg the pliers. I've used them probably daily since i got it.
Hey David always watch your videos. I had a video idea . Something that I can’t seem to find anywhere. Would like to see a video on the best BUDGET titanium folders! If possible
I think the "pet peeve" point is a very valid one. There are settings where you don't want to be seen as a "knife person". A bright yellow Victorinox is about the least threatening a knife can get.
I couldn't agree more on the more superior and effective can opener on Wenger compared to Victorinox'. While we don't use can opener much these days (sardines come in tins with easy open lid), the wenger can opener is useful for punching hole and opening packaging boxes.
My 1st pocket knife was a Swiss Army & I still have it today (30 yrs +) but I got a Leatherman Surge a few yrs ago and that thing is a beast of a multi tool! Definitely 10 times heavier but that’s what I carry in my backpack every day. Still love my Victorinox Hunter in the black scales and love that for my outdoor adventures
Every time I’ve tried to “give up” my SAK, I never stick with it. Like you, I always have a SAK regardless of whatever else I’m carrying. Even if I’m doing stuff where I know I’ll be using my Wave or Swisstool Spirit, I still have a my trusty little SAK. I’m curious whether the T-4 will stick long term with you. I might rotate it in here and there, but I know me and I know I’ll always go back. My SAK ranger lives in my bag every single day. If I don’t have my bag, it’s a Climber or a Compact. I’ll rotate everything else, but not that.
My EDC is a Leatherman surge and out of the dozens of multi tools I've used this is my favorite so far. The made in the USA part definitely helps. My main blade though is a Buck Sprint Ops. Love it too
I'm so ready for the 100th FAQ ! My question is : would you please open a storefront or even just a wharehouse in France, in Champagne-Ardennes ? I'll reward the staff with Champagne !
I second this! It would be nice to have you represented in the EU! Until then I will have to make do with one of the major knife stores, that has an EU branch.
@@bokusimondesu And we'd have access to exclusives. I speak more as a Spyderco aficionado and even if I could pay a ton of shipping fees and customs fees to get an exclusive model, the EU market deserves some exclusives too
The one hand opening of every tool, the locking of every tool, better blade steel, and arguably a better toolset has the T4 as the winner for me. I think you may implement the T4 as your edc after you carry it regularly!
I think the toolset is a big point and that is where Victorinox pulls ahead with their countless models. While a T4 easily can/could replace a S18 (or the Mountaineer which is probably the closest Vic model to the T4) it cannot replace a Cybertool. Pretty much the same problem as for the Boker CityTool (really great tools, with a great blade (IHMO best in this style of tools), but the absence of models always brings me back to Victorinox.
@@etherealicer It's mainly personal preference (as everyone knows) which is very subjective to each individual. It depends on what one prioritizes. I prioritize one-hand-open capability, so I'd instantly go Leatherman if forced to pick only one. Obviously one could carry both if they wanted both. My priority is always *SELF-DEFENSE comes FIRST above comfortable convenience.* Yes, even for a smaller blade as you see on that Leatherman, I want to be able to open it with one hand if a dog is munching on my other arm, just as one (of many) selfdefense situations one can find themselves in today. I carry a blade on each side for each hand. I am a prepper first, then after that the secondary convenience tools for fixing little things. I've been in my fair share (though rare in between) selfdefense situations, and I learn from them. I was at a STOP sign on my mountain bike once and someone's pitbull got loose, ran at me barking, I sat still and watched as the dog ran up to me, barked a few times, saw that I wasn't budging, then he ran back to his owner (who was yelling at him). That is a situation you want to learn from. Thankfully the dog was not your stereotypical abused, aggressive pitbull, but they're out there, and you want to be ready if one ever latches onto your arm. So, in that case, two blades on me, one on each side. I have pepper spray as well, but not that great if it's already munching on my arm. 🤔🤣 Anyway, I hope everyone out there starts to think and thus prepare more defensively, not so complacently. 👍
@@Northanteus I'm not complacent, I just have enough training with knives to know I don't want to use it to fight (and I prefer grappling, more effective at neutralizing a threat). That said, the escalation of violence is part of the reason people feel so unsafe. Call me a liberal/socialist, but helping people so they don't take drugs (e.g. a working healthcare system, so people don't get addicted to painkillers) seems like a much better approach than to declare war on drugs.
Going to be looking out for a decent knife or multitool for my boss. As he is our resident electrician, do you have any suggestions for an electrician's knife or similar oriented multi tool? Thanks in advance for thoughts or comments. Price isn't an issue for me.
I recently switched to a Victorinox Camper and have been happy with the decision. It fits my needs better than my leatherman squirt which I have enjoyed for quite sometime. One thing I like about the camper is that the saw tip sticks out just enough to identify it by feel and the rest of the tools do not. It makes it easy it grab it and open the saw without looking. I cut quite a few tiny branches that grow into the middle of our wooded trails. It is great that the mini saw is functional and then I don’t need to carry some huge saw when 99% it is needed. Like you, I carry separate blade but lately seem to prefer small fixes blades around 3” or so.
I carry the leatherman t-4 a lot. I did modify the pry bar to a chisel tip which helps when I am restoring furniture or doing woodwork and need a quick chiseling on something. but I also like the swiss army knife as well, so I go back and forth a bit.
DCA: When my first dog passed, I got a knife in her namesake (Real Steel Luna, as she was named Luna). Your staff drew me some wonderful dog pictures with my order as well. We just had to put down our other old dog, Navi, and I'm wondering what knife to get to commemorate him as well? Thanks in advance.
Buckle up, Daniel, I'm afraid you're going to have to buy a watch this time, and a Navitimer is a pretty pricey piece. Sorry about your old pal Navi. I bet he had a great life with you.
@@willblake72 he had been cross country, smelled all the smells, and spent the last 3 years on our horse farm living the life. Couldn't have asked for better. Thanks.
First a belated thank you for answering my most serious question in episode 98. I was so star struck when YOU David, read my question!! 😊 I have a feeling that you are going back to the Victorinox. If not, then I’m guessing that it will take residence in the key bowl by the front door, so that you can make an easy switch when going out in the woods. Back to my original question. I forgot to mention that, even though I drive an eleven year old Kia picanto, my car is operating key free. 😅 But, it probably still is the best choice of knife for cutting off the engine. 😂
The Leatherman T4 is very nice modern interpretation but it is about 30% heavier than the Wenger/VIctorinox S18. Although useful, the contoured grips of the S18 add considerable width to the knife and something like the slightly longer and less expensive Fieldmaster will give you close the same implements as the S18 yet in a narrower width. Alternatively, if you like the length of the S18, something like the Tinker Small will fit into your watch pocket at a fraction of the weight, size, and cost of the others and you will likely not need a pouch. Looking forward to your exploration.
Very interesting n informative comparison. Just bought a Leatherman tool knife. Ur comparison was detailed especially like ur invaluable personal comments on each individual usages. Kudos. New subscriber because of this upload. Anticipating ur next one. Aloha from Hawaii
just bought the Compact for work earlier this year after lugging a Swiss Champ around for a couple months. it is simply perfect for my needs. the only tools that doesn't see much use are the corkscrew and the little pin. also got the Key Smart pocket clip attached to the keyring, very neat! Still, i'm also curious to see David follow up on this.
As a school teacher, my tool of choice is my Leatherman Wave+ and a customized bit kit. Since I also have a full tool kit in my classroom, one of the things with my Wave+ is the bit extender to go from the Leatherman slot bit to a standard hex bit. My EDC carry is either my carbon handled AD20.5 or my Civiv Cogent. When I taught in Alaska this was augmented by a scout-carried Busse AD.
I carry a Victorinox hiker and it has almost the same tools as the Evo except the scissors....its smaller easier to carry and it only cost me $20....very good value for the $$$
I'd prefer Swiss Army steel over 420. Dad let me pick out a Mauser hunting folder when I was a kid. Because I took a switchblade with a comb insert, and used a paring knife blade I broke that belonged to grandma. So there is that. Carry a swisschamp, cause sheaths are plentiful for them, and a solid fixed blade like a Buck woodsman.
For as long as you both have been making knife content, do you feel it has slowed or increased you knife purchases? Seeing all the knife options, has it made you a knife snob or do you still find budget knives appealing? Thank you for the work you all do.
Felix immler Swiss/German guy that’s all about Swiss Army knives (Victorinox) Shows great bushcraft projects done solely with SAK and how to videos Check him out DCA
Not to be insulting but the difference between the Leatherman and Swiss Army knife is the type of person that would carry them. If you want to carry a trendy knife that can file or clean fingernails while presenting a fashion statement, you get a Swiss Army knife. If you are more of a construction/field worker that needs a rugged set of tools that you will use, get a Leatherman. Two different demographics. Like many long-time users have said, Victorinox has turned into a fashion statement and are leaving the loyal fans of the tool behind.
but still the cat majority of ppl who carry victorinox tools are using them daily. yes the leatherman has some heavier duty elements but both would bc fine on a construction site, especially if the victorinox is an alox
Okay okay DCA, Just me here with a serious question for you. Scenario…you stepped through a portal and time traveled and find yourself alone in the woods on the run from a posse of outlaws and all you have is a pocket knife for survival and defense. That morning you were glad you choose for your edc a…….?
Hi guys,I carry my free p4 daily,and I find it very helpful to have a array of tools to use.i find myself useing the scissors more than anything.keep up the good work
The Leatherman would be more appealing to me if one side of the file was their diamond file texture. As it is, I think it will be terrible for using as a nail file. Do you think Victorinox will ever make a Cadet X? You know that if they did you would never be able to keep them in stock. That would be the perfect folder compliment for me. I'd miss the scale tools, but I can find another way to carry those if I need to. Perhaps I'll cut little slots in my wallet and slide them in there.
I am much like David - I don't even know how old my Swiss Army knife is but I have bought similar styled Swiss A rmy knives for my kids. Primarily I want the scissors and can opener for camping and such. I've never explored Leatherman much as the pliers (& weight) and one hand opening have never been that important for that type of tool. Pricing is also typically better for the Victorinox that I would chose to use/buy.
For us who don't use a belt pouch, and use only their pockets, one of the most important factors is the weight of multi-tool. And, even if you didn't mention that in the video, it seems to me that the SAK is a bit more practical in such regard.
I carry an evogrip S11 pretty much daily. Its basically a fancy Tinker model. I also have a Leatherman Wave+ in my EDC bag. Theyre both great for very different reasons
Hi DCA, interesting that there in the US these knives has basically same price, here in Italy you can get the Vic for 50-52 euro, while the Leatherman will be almost 90 euro... With this difference is a clear win for the Victorinox for me, though the Leatherman is certainly a great tool. Anxious to see in 2 months what will be your conclusion........ Cheers!
I carry a LM Wave as my primary multi-tool, but I back it up with a Vic. I used to carry the Evo Grip S-13 which also has the locking blade, but I got annoyed with the lock catching in my pocket, so I recently acquired a Fieldmaster. The Fieldmaster is, IMO one of the best pocket-friendly SAKs you could own, with the most tools with a still reasonable size and weight. Then, of course, I have knives on me, but that's another story...
I carry a skeletool cx with that 154cm blade + victorinox rambler. Add the flashlight and fixed blade (tops CUT 4.0) and you have an all encompassing urban EDC in non European world. When I travel to EU, I drop the Leatherman and carry a Victorinox pioneer. And the fixed blade also generally stays at home or is reserved for outdoors. Especially if you have a travelling job, victorinox is far more easier to explain worldwide
Skeletool CX and a Farmer. And I live in Europe. If I carry the Leatherman outside the house, I need a good reason for doing so. "It might come in useful" won't cut it. That CUT 4.0 is a nice knife. I've no idea how I'd missed that one.
I have a victorinox super or delux thinkerer, idk. What I love about it is that it's a little bit bigger than most victorinoxes and it has some small pliers that come very useful but don't make the tool bulky like leather-mans. The perfect multitool for me would be this with a saw and a locking blade.
I've had the s18 for around 5 years and love it. The compactness, way it feels and looks etc. The Leatherman's finishing felt less refined and more bulky. I think you will go back to using the Swiss army knife. For me the SAK feels more like a special tool, but the Leatherman is also good tool from a strictly utilitarian point of view
Thanks for the videos. Keep them rolling. I have a pile of Swiss army knives. I'm going to give that t4 letherman a try. I really don't need any more knives or multi tools. What I really need is a psychiatrist. Thanks again.
Love my S18. I do have a skeletool Leatherman which I like as well, but I just enjoy the Victorinox. I like that is is smooth and curved in the pocket. I don't use a clip for these things, just stick in pants or jacket pocket.
Mr. Andersen, you've got me looking cross-eyed at the T4 now. I've been carrying a Victorinox Ranger, almost exclusively, as my EDC multitool. One of the main reasons I love it so much is that it has a serious file - nails, wood, metal, whatever - Honey Badger don't care. The file on the T4 is smaller than that, but has some of that robust capability. Also, the biggest down side to the Ranger, in my view, is that it doesn't have a Phillips head screwdriver. Lo and behold, the T4 does. Yeah, I think I need to check this out.
Full intro equals full episode. You're gearing up for a special 101st episode. But you can title it #100 if you like. 🙂 Kinda like digging half a hole.
I’m in this conundrum right now. I started a new job that has essentially zero tools available. I honestly want to throw my bulky multi tool on the belt to give me options, but like you said…. No one bats an eye at classic Swiss 😄
Great video, DCA, thank you! I've had my SAK since 1999, but I like it for sentimental reasons, not ease of use reasons. I've always found slipjoint multi tools in general to be so much more trouble than they're worth. That said, in my opinion a good Leatherman or Gerber or Schrade multitool will always serve you better and be more comfortable and safe to use than a SAK. They're such an overrated multitool and always have been. Yes they're super compact, but that's about it.
I've carried the Huntsman SAK as my EDC for years. My wife just got me the Free T4 and I have carried it for a month now. It maybe my new EDC. I have several SAK knives, but this T4 seems to hit my need... one thing I really like is the pocket clip... the thing I miss is probably the toothpick, I actually use it from time to time. great review.
I know I'm late to the party on this one. Been doing research on getting a decent multi tool. The ones that were purchased for me by my very loving husband are just too large for my pocket and to carry around with me everywhere. Been looking at the Free t4 and the Gerber splice and dime, as well as SAK. Mom of three kids, looking for that everyday tool that will take care of small repairs and take care of small household tasks. Leatherman seems great! I'm just wondering, did you end up switching your EDC to the Leatherman, or did you go back to the Victorinox? I looked for videos to see what the results were, but could not find it. Wondering what your final thoughts were:). Loved this video! Very gentle comparison! Thank you!
I'd prefer the CUSTOM MOD to the can opener to make it more of a rescue hook cutter ....... I'd like o see a few more MODS as options ... but , I can grind and use a Dremel ... so ?? BUT in all the FOUR DECADES of SAK ownership ... I absolutely HATE how often the springs break ! ! ! ! I am just starting to carry a Wenger style bar instead of spring .. will see how that holds up ... ( do NOT like the serrated scissor blade that comes with that option though ???? )
Hey DCA and Reverse Tom-to! I’m looking for a new camp folder. Under $150. I want something easy to open and close with one hand. I’m considering the Demko AD 20.5 or the Civivi Conspirator. Anything else I should be looking at? Thanks! Oh and don’t worry, I still use my Casstrom no. 10 for “real” camp tasks.
I've carried the Swiss army knives for over 30 years. Never would buy a winger knife. I think they're cheap knockoffs. Only Swiss for me. Nothing wrong with leatherman's. But I just prefer Swiss army victorinox.
I am a brewer, if Leatherman did a Free "Juice" I would be right on it. I know Leatherman hates corkscrews for some reason but I do actually use it in my job and it would be a cool addition to their portfolio
You are such a cheaters!!! 99,5 episode... BTW, I've got an idea for the 100 episode. You will give away all of Your knives for the all of Your faithful subscribers! The best knives for those with the biggest love, like me!
I have four Leathermen two large and two small. I carried the Micra for years in my fifth pocket. I never carry the large ones. Too heavy. I carry one of five Victorinox every day. They are more user friendly end feel better in hand. Great video.
Hi DC, I have no experience with either so my opinions are sort of more academic. However I can make some observations as I have used other models from both brands for decades. Firstly, the tools on the Victorinox are just in a different league from the Leatherman tools. For example, the Leatherman scissors never ceases to irritate me with its fiddlyness! Yuck! Also, the awl/reamer of the SAK is unbeatable in every respect! The Victorinox philosophy for its blade steel, shape and design has been the subject of reams of comments and discussions, and they have steadfastly stuck to their guns throughout, and they still outsell just about everyone! It obviously works! Lastly, the impact of the work done by Felix Immler and his books/videos about Victorinox knives clearly demonstrates what the knives are capable of. Mostly, the limitations reside more in the minds of the users themselves, not the tool! One point, however, is clear. If one's needs include the use of a pair of pliers, and if that is important to one, then the Leatherman does enter the arena very strongly. That's why I have one! However, for the outdoors, that need dissipates quite a bit. If one needs something for making traps/snares with wire, a pliers is needed, but the Victorinox pliers are designed for that specific task, and that levels the playing field. Thanks DC, and my 10 cents' worth! Cheers
Swiss vs USA! Hello from the Netherlands !'ve been watching this channel for some time now, and it occured to me that you always say 'made in the USA' when applicable. I was wondering what this means exactly (for you as Americans) besides the country of manufacture. Does it mean a certain level of quality? In The Netherlands we regard 'made in Germany' as a quality indication for example (and considering we are arch rivals, especially at soccer, they probably deserve it)
Nothing wrong with both of these tools,but i believe that Victorinox has to step up their steel game and introduce some upgrades ,at least at some models. And Leatherman should too and has done in a few tools. I would like to see a classic SD style Leatherman ,something that would be built like a tank but in keychain size. That would be an incredible addition to the Leatherman collection and it would be nice to see an opponent to the Classic SD. But please, leave the base metals behind , time for an upgrade.
I'm not saying this comment is comparable to DCA's point in this video. However, I have carried a skeletool cx since their conception back in like 2007 or 2008 while is was in the teams way back when. I used to use the driver end to punch holes for det cord in certain applications. It always seemed to have everything I needed when coupled with my primary fixed blade. Not to mention it was light and portable. Big plus when carrying upwards to 80 pounds of gear in the desert. I still carry one today and have extras for camping, hiking and emergency jump bags and kits ect. I never leave home without one. Thomas understands. At least he used to. Lol
I come seeking guidance from you fine people. I’ve been carrying a zt0350 for about three years now and it’s been amazing. I’ve thrown it, beat it, abused it, and it’s still kicking, but I’m getting a little tired of the recurve. So I’m looking for something to take it’s place, I don’t mind chunky, and my budget is pretty flexible so feel free to shoot me some ideas if any of you know a knife that might be able to take it’s place. (Preferably made in the USA, but obviously not mandatory)
Hey Knife center narrators. I just bought a magnacut Hogue Deka. Unfortunately they come with plastic handles. Do you know where I could score some more premium handle scales, aftermarket? Thanks.
What the hell are you gon' do with a flimsy ass knife, a nail file, non locking tools, and no pliers? Garbage. I know I'm highly biased, but I can't imagine having to do my job ( Industrial Mechanic ) or life in general with a swiss army knife over the brilliantly designed Leatherman :P
Hello DCA, I saw that Boker did a really cool thing, they made damascus knives forged with steels from Sherman and Tiger tanks and other historic weapons. What are the knives that they did this with? Do any other knife companies do this? Thank you.
Heya DCA, need some advice. I have a mini griptilian that is too small for my comfort, as i have Large to XL hands. I do love the crossbar style lock, but would be willing to look into any finger safe closing method. Id also like something that i can eventually upgrade the scales to something more premium than black plastic. Any suggestions?
A lot of good points for the two of them. Where I work I wouldn’t pull out any bigger of a blade then my Letherman Skeletool .Everyone seems to relate to a SAK and it has a less threatening look to non knife people. Please give us an update on what you think of the PS4 after using it for a while.
Have you done any videos on ULUs? Are traditional shape better than modified? Is there a pocket option for an ULU besides the 'pocket ULU' that only has a 1.5in blade and can't chop?
I’m sure the quality of the Leatherman T4 is great, but I don’t like its design. It’s too boxy to my taste. I’ll stick to my Victorinox knives instead.
The T4 has tools that are usable, not punch dagger style or off-centre, everything’s one handed and locks, there’s nothing on it you don’t need like corkscrews or tin openers, the blade is thicker ,stronger and slices cleanly and it sits in pocket on the flimsiest shorts no problem. If the weight means you struggle to use it and I speak here as someone who’s far from a body builder, you need to work out more, try using a bigger teaspoon for stirring your tea…baby steps. The one handed opening means you can open it, cut whatever you need and put it away without anyone noticing, you don’t need to two hand it which is much more obvious.
I’ve always preferred Victorinox I’ve a a leatherman sideclip and the belt clip always got loose and one of the plier tips snapped off kind turned off from leather man. And for me personally I like the feel the victorinix in my hands better than the leatherman
Personally I don't think there is a dimes worth of difference between the two ,we didn't discuss price could be the deciding factor .Ps I am a sac fan always have one stuck in my jeans however certainly no problem with weatherman
To find out which one DCA picked in the end, go here: th-cam.com/video/KPDCsBlOrMM/w-d-xo.html
Hello David. Super interesting videos. Thank you!
Cheers Felix, thank you sir! -DCA
victorinox explorer is my go to..
I recently started carrying a wave+ along with my edc and I never knew that I would use a multitool so much. Gotta have the pliers.
I agree. I use a wave+ too and the pliers are sooo good to have. That was the reason I bought it, and I can't think of not having then now.
I have an original wave and it is so much of a chunk that I just stopped carrying it unless I had a specific job that needed pliers. On the other hand as soon as I discovered SwissQlip makes a pocket clip for 91mm Victorinox I have been EDCing my Victorinox Explorer and haven't looked back.
I do like my leatherman wave... but my day to day just doesn't require pliers very often at all.
i just got myself a gerber dime vecause i was putting together a general use kit to keep in my car. never felt the need of a multitool in my edc but omg the pliers. I've used them probably daily since i got it.
Ppl complain about the tiny scredriver but i find uses for it.
Hey David always watch your videos. I had a video idea . Something that I can’t seem to find anywhere. Would like to see a video on the best BUDGET titanium folders! If possible
I think the "pet peeve" point is a very valid one. There are settings where you don't want to be seen as a "knife person". A bright yellow Victorinox is about the least threatening a knife can get.
Might also help if you drop it (though silver ain't bad either (except in stone/snow).
I think generally speaking, swiss army knives are more "acceptable" no matter what model?
You "knife people" are the problem in the world today.😜!
Who cares?? If someone is offended by whatever knife I pull out as its their issue not mine..screw them..
I couldn't agree more on the more superior and effective can opener on Wenger compared to Victorinox'. While we don't use can opener much these days (sardines come in tins with easy open lid), the wenger can opener is useful for punching hole and opening packaging boxes.
My 1st pocket knife was a Swiss Army & I still have it today (30 yrs +) but I got a Leatherman Surge a few yrs ago and that thing is a beast of a multi tool! Definitely 10 times heavier but that’s what I carry in my backpack every day. Still love my Victorinox Hunter in the black scales and love that for my outdoor adventures
Every time I’ve tried to “give up” my SAK, I never stick with it. Like you, I always have a SAK regardless of whatever else I’m carrying. Even if I’m doing stuff where I know I’ll be using my Wave or Swisstool Spirit, I still have a my trusty little SAK. I’m curious whether the T-4 will stick long term with you. I might rotate it in here and there, but I know me and I know I’ll always go back. My SAK ranger lives in my bag every single day. If I don’t have my bag, it’s a Climber or a Compact. I’ll rotate everything else, but not that.
I have tried to find something to replace it (out of curiosity) multiple times. I cannot find anything. It all brings me back to my SAK.
Can't beat a SAK.
My EDC is a Leatherman surge and out of the dozens of multi tools I've used this is my favorite so far. The made in the USA part definitely helps. My main blade though is a Buck Sprint Ops. Love it too
I'm so ready for the 100th FAQ ! My question is : would you please open a storefront or even just a wharehouse in France, in Champagne-Ardennes ? I'll reward the staff with Champagne !
they're already committed to Hamburg
I second this! It would be nice to have you represented in the EU! Until then I will have to make do with one of the major knife stores, that has an EU branch.
@@jimcarlson6157 they are opening in Hamburg?
@@jimcarlson6157 If it's happening, that's close enough from me 😆
@@bokusimondesu And we'd have access to exclusives. I speak more as a Spyderco aficionado and even if I could pay a ton of shipping fees and customs fees to get an exclusive model, the EU market deserves some exclusives too
The one hand opening of every tool, the locking of every tool, better blade steel, and arguably a better toolset has the T4 as the winner for me. I think you may implement the T4 as your edc after you carry it regularly!
I think the toolset is a big point and that is where Victorinox pulls ahead with their countless models. While a T4 easily can/could replace a S18 (or the Mountaineer which is probably the closest Vic model to the T4) it cannot replace a Cybertool. Pretty much the same problem as for the Boker CityTool (really great tools, with a great blade (IHMO best in this style of tools), but the absence of models always brings me back to Victorinox.
@@etherealicer It's mainly personal preference (as everyone knows) which is very subjective to each individual. It depends on what one prioritizes. I prioritize one-hand-open capability, so I'd instantly go Leatherman if forced to pick only one. Obviously one could carry both if they wanted both. My priority is always *SELF-DEFENSE comes FIRST above comfortable convenience.* Yes, even for a smaller blade as you see on that Leatherman, I want to be able to open it with one hand if a dog is munching on my other arm, just as one (of many) selfdefense situations one can find themselves in today. I carry a blade on each side for each hand. I am a prepper first, then after that the secondary convenience tools for fixing little things. I've been in my fair share (though rare in between) selfdefense situations, and I learn from them.
I was at a STOP sign on my mountain bike once and someone's pitbull got loose, ran at me barking, I sat still and watched as the dog ran up to me, barked a few times, saw that I wasn't budging, then he ran back to his owner (who was yelling at him). That is a situation you want to learn from. Thankfully the dog was not your stereotypical abused, aggressive pitbull, but they're out there, and you want to be ready if one ever latches onto your arm. So, in that case, two blades on me, one on each side. I have pepper spray as well, but not that great if it's already munching on my arm. 🤔🤣
Anyway, I hope everyone out there starts to think and thus prepare more defensively, not so complacently. 👍
@@Northanteus I'm not complacent, I just have enough training with knives to know I don't want to use it to fight (and I prefer grappling, more effective at neutralizing a threat). That said, the escalation of violence is part of the reason people feel so unsafe. Call me a liberal/socialist, but helping people so they don't take drugs (e.g. a working healthcare system, so people don't get addicted to painkillers) seems like a much better approach than to declare war on drugs.
Both are excellent. I love my SAK’s but I own and love the T4. I got it in “lunar” color. Looks gorgeous.
Does the color wear off the T4? I wanna order one, but if the color wears off, I'd rather go with the regular steel color.
@@jdoubleu3510 it hasn’t yet, except for a tiny chip on edge.
Going to be looking out for a decent knife or multitool for my boss. As he is our resident electrician, do you have any suggestions for an electrician's knife or similar oriented multi tool? Thanks in advance for thoughts or comments. Price isn't an issue for me.
I recently switched to a Victorinox Camper and have been happy with the decision. It fits my needs better than my leatherman squirt which I have enjoyed for quite sometime. One thing I like about the camper is that the saw tip sticks out just enough to identify it by feel and the rest of the tools do not. It makes it easy it grab it and open the saw without looking. I cut quite a few tiny branches that grow into the middle of our wooded trails. It is great that the mini saw is functional and then I don’t need to carry some huge saw when 99% it is needed.
Like you, I carry separate blade but lately seem to prefer small fixes blades around 3” or so.
I carry the leatherman t-4 a lot. I did modify the pry bar to a chisel tip which helps when I am restoring furniture or doing woodwork and need a quick chiseling on something. but I also like the swiss army knife as well, so I go back and forth a bit.
DCA: When my first dog passed, I got a knife in her namesake (Real Steel Luna, as she was named Luna). Your staff drew me some wonderful dog pictures with my order as well. We just had to put down our other old dog, Navi, and I'm wondering what knife to get to commemorate him as well? Thanks in advance.
Buckle up, Daniel, I'm afraid you're going to have to buy a watch this time, and a Navitimer is a pretty pricey piece. Sorry about your old pal Navi. I bet he had a great life with you.
@@willblake72 he had been cross country, smelled all the smells, and spent the last 3 years on our horse farm living the life. Couldn't have asked for better. Thanks.
I loved this story about the staff drawing picture for you. This made my week!!! Great people there, glad I buy from them!
I’m sorry for your loss.
Just buy a Lincoln Navigator.
The S18; with an incorporated pocket clip and pliers, would retire my Wingman.
Leatherman dropped the ball on this...less tools higher price...Victorinox blows Leatherman out of the water concerning these type of multi tools
If Victorinox made the T4 it would be only 3 layers, instead of what, 6? Just too bulky. I think Leatherman missed on these.
First a belated thank you for answering my most serious question in episode 98. I was so star struck when YOU David, read my question!! 😊
I have a feeling that you are going back to the Victorinox. If not, then I’m guessing that it will take residence in the key bowl by the front door, so that you can make an easy switch when going out in the woods.
Back to my original question. I forgot to mention that, even though I drive an eleven year old Kia picanto, my car is operating key free. 😅 But, it probably still is the best choice of knife for cutting off the engine. 😂
One thing that draws me to victorinox is the quality of the blades and tools; particularly the scissors!
The Leatherman T4 is very nice modern interpretation but it is about 30% heavier than the Wenger/VIctorinox S18. Although useful, the contoured grips of the S18 add considerable width to the knife and something like the slightly longer and less expensive Fieldmaster will give you close the same implements as the S18 yet in a narrower width. Alternatively, if you like the length of the S18, something like the Tinker Small will fit into your watch pocket at a fraction of the weight, size, and cost of the others and you will likely not need a pouch. Looking forward to your exploration.
Very interesting n informative comparison. Just bought a Leatherman tool knife. Ur comparison was detailed especially like ur invaluable personal comments on each individual usages. Kudos. New subscriber because of this upload. Anticipating ur next one. Aloha from Hawaii
Always the friendliest reviews in the knife/EDC world and appreciated in these modern times. Thank you!
I've carried a Compact for years, mostly for the scissors and blade. Interested in hearing about your experience with the Leatherman.
just bought the Compact for work earlier this year after lugging a Swiss Champ around for a couple months. it is simply perfect for my needs. the only tools that doesn't see much use are the corkscrew and the little pin.
also got the Key Smart pocket clip attached to the keyring, very neat!
Still, i'm also curious to see David follow up on this.
As a school teacher, my tool of choice is my Leatherman Wave+ and a customized bit kit. Since I also have a full tool kit in my classroom, one of the things with my Wave+ is the bit extender to go from the Leatherman slot bit to a standard hex bit. My EDC carry is either my carbon handled AD20.5 or my Civiv Cogent. When I taught in Alaska this was augmented by a scout-carried Busse AD.
Gday DCA! Great review. I’ll stick with my SAK as an EDC!
Could you do an episode on horizontal carry, cross draw, and scout carry fixed blade knives for edc? Thank you!
I carry a Victorinox hiker and it has almost the same tools as the Evo except the scissors....its smaller easier to carry and it only cost me $20....very good value for the $$$
I'd prefer Swiss Army steel over 420. Dad let me pick out a Mauser hunting folder when I was a kid. Because I took a switchblade with a comb insert, and used a paring knife blade I broke that belonged to grandma. So there is that. Carry a swisschamp, cause sheaths are plentiful for them, and a solid fixed blade like a Buck woodsman.
Man I was just telling my buddy how excited I was for Ep 100 today lol.
Ok, lets watch the video now. Or at least "half" the video....
I’m 52. I’ve had a Swiss Army Knife since cub scouts. I have the one on this that you carry, and I think I will stick with it.
For as long as you both have been making knife content, do you feel it has slowed or increased you knife purchases?
Seeing all the knife options, has it made you a knife snob or do you still find budget knives appealing?
Thank you for the work you all do.
I like the Swiss Army knife!
Felix immler
Swiss/German guy that’s all about Swiss Army knives (Victorinox)
Shows great bushcraft projects done solely with SAK and how to videos
Check him out DCA
I'm well aware. He has a great channel :) -DCA
Not to be insulting but the difference between the Leatherman and Swiss Army knife is the type of person that would carry them. If you want to carry a trendy knife that can file or clean fingernails while presenting a fashion statement, you get a Swiss Army knife. If you are more of a construction/field worker that needs a rugged set of tools that you will use, get a Leatherman. Two different demographics. Like many long-time users have said, Victorinox has turned into a fashion statement and are leaving the loyal fans of the tool behind.
but still the cat majority of ppl who carry victorinox tools are using them daily. yes the leatherman has some heavier duty elements but both would bc fine on a construction site, especially if the victorinox is an alox
Okay okay DCA, Just me here with a serious question for you. Scenario…you stepped through a portal and time traveled and find yourself alone in the woods on the run from a posse of outlaws and all you have is a pocket knife for survival and defense. That morning you were glad you choose for your edc a…….?
Swiss Army Knife all day
Espada XL?
Hi guys,I carry my free p4 daily,and I find it very helpful to have a array of tools to use.i find myself useing the scissors more than anything.keep up the good work
Please show the horizontal belt pouch. So curious how that looks/works. Also, if it or something similar is available for purchase.
The Leatherman would be more appealing to me if one side of the file was their diamond file texture. As it is, I think it will be terrible for using as a nail file. Do you think Victorinox will ever make a Cadet X? You know that if they did you would never be able to keep them in stock. That would be the perfect folder compliment for me. I'd miss the scale tools, but I can find another way to carry those if I need to. Perhaps I'll cut little slots in my wallet and slide them in there.
I'll be the first in line for the Cadet X if they ever do one -DCA
I am much like David - I don't even know how old my Swiss Army knife is but I have bought similar styled Swiss A rmy knives for my kids. Primarily I want the scissors and can opener for camping and such. I've never explored Leatherman much as the pliers (& weight) and one hand opening have never been that important for that type of tool. Pricing is also typically better for the Victorinox that I would chose to use/buy.
For us who don't use a belt pouch, and use only their pockets, one of the most important factors is the weight of multi-tool. And, even if you didn't mention that in the video, it seems to me that the SAK is a bit more practical in such regard.
SAKs have always been more economical than Leatherman, by weight and price. The price to quality ratio is unbeatable.
Couldn’t agree more, enjoyed my leatherman but my SAKs are way more comfortable to carry
I carry an evogrip S11 pretty much daily. Its basically a fancy Tinker model. I also have a Leatherman Wave+ in my EDC bag. Theyre both great for very different reasons
Hi DCA, interesting that there in the US these knives has basically same price, here in Italy you can get the Vic for 50-52 euro, while the Leatherman will be almost 90 euro... With this difference is a clear win for the Victorinox for me, though the Leatherman is certainly a great tool.
Anxious to see in 2 months what will be your conclusion........
Cheers!
I carry a LM Wave as my primary multi-tool, but I back it up with a Vic. I used to carry the Evo Grip S-13 which also has the locking blade, but I got annoyed with the lock catching in my pocket, so I recently acquired a Fieldmaster. The Fieldmaster is, IMO one of the best pocket-friendly SAKs you could own, with the most tools with a still reasonable size and weight. Then, of course, I have knives on me, but that's another story...
The Fieldmaster is a good combination of a camping knife and an EDC knife.
SAK every day! 🦉
14 years DCA? You're goin straight back to the Swiss Army. No question imho. Solid Video as always!
I own all of those knives, and love each of them. I mix which one I carry depending on what I plan on doing that day.
I carry a skeletool cx with that 154cm blade + victorinox rambler. Add the flashlight and fixed blade (tops CUT 4.0) and you have an all encompassing urban EDC in non European world.
When I travel to EU, I drop the Leatherman and carry a Victorinox pioneer. And the fixed blade also generally stays at home or is reserved for outdoors.
Especially if you have a travelling job, victorinox is far more easier to explain worldwide
Skeletool CX and a Farmer. And I live in Europe. If I carry the Leatherman outside the house, I need a good reason for doing so. "It might come in useful" won't cut it.
That CUT 4.0 is a nice knife. I've no idea how I'd missed that one.
SAK wins by K.O.
I have a victorinox super or delux thinkerer, idk. What I love about it is that it's a little bit bigger than most victorinoxes and it has some small pliers that come very useful but don't make the tool bulky like leather-mans. The perfect multitool for me would be this with a saw and a locking blade.
I've had the s18 for around 5 years and love it. The compactness, way it feels and looks etc. The Leatherman's finishing felt less refined and more bulky. I think you will go back to using the Swiss army knife. For me the SAK feels more like a special tool, but the Leatherman is also good tool from a strictly utilitarian point of view
Thanks for the videos. Keep them rolling. I have a pile of Swiss army knives. I'm going to give that t4 letherman a try. I really don't need any more knives or multi tools. What I really need is a psychiatrist. Thanks again.
Love my S18. I do have a skeletool Leatherman which I like as well, but I just enjoy the Victorinox. I like that is is smooth and curved in the pocket. I don't use a clip for these things, just stick in pants or jacket pocket.
Mr. Andersen, you've got me looking cross-eyed at the T4 now. I've been carrying a Victorinox Ranger, almost exclusively, as my EDC multitool. One of the main reasons I love it so much is that it has a serious file - nails, wood, metal, whatever - Honey Badger don't care. The file on the T4 is smaller than that, but has some of that robust capability. Also, the biggest down side to the Ranger, in my view, is that it doesn't have a Phillips head screwdriver. Lo and behold, the T4 does. Yeah, I think I need to check this out.
I love my leatherman charge, but also love my SAK. In a lot of versus situations I can't decide and buy both.
Dude I carry both a Leatherman and a victoriaknox Ranger grip79 in their respective pouches on my belt every day.
GERBER has a decent multi tool device. Especially their latest one....Leatherman is good too, and Swiss is a classic
Heavily debated the Leatherman but ended up with a Gerber Dime on my keychain.
This is a great FAQ episode. Very helpful.
More than a build quality, LEATHERMAN means technological advances, imo.
Full intro equals full episode. You're gearing up for a special 101st episode. But you can title it #100 if you like. 🙂 Kinda like digging half a hole.
I have had both brands my entire life and over time I have ended up using the leatherman a lot more.🤠
I’m in this conundrum right now. I started a new job that has essentially zero tools available. I honestly want to throw my bulky multi tool on the belt to give me options, but like you said…. No one bats an eye at classic Swiss 😄
Great video, DCA, thank you! I've had my SAK since 1999, but I like it for sentimental reasons, not ease of use reasons. I've always found slipjoint multi tools in general to be so much more trouble than they're worth. That said, in my opinion a good Leatherman or Gerber or Schrade multitool will always serve you better and be more comfortable and safe to use than a SAK. They're such an overrated multitool and always have been. Yes they're super compact, but that's about it.
It's amazing how many of us have a sentimental SAK.
@@just_nate_8694 So true. I got mine as a wedding party gift when my younger brother got married. Still use it as my every day can opener.
I've carried the Huntsman SAK as my EDC for years. My wife just got me the Free T4 and I have carried it for a month now. It maybe my new EDC. I have several SAK knives, but this T4 seems to hit my need... one thing I really like is the pocket clip... the thing I miss is probably the toothpick, I actually use it from time to time. great review.
I know I'm late to the party on this one. Been doing research on getting a decent multi tool. The ones that were purchased for me by my very loving husband are just too large for my pocket and to carry around with me everywhere. Been looking at the Free t4 and the Gerber splice and dime, as well as SAK. Mom of three kids, looking for that everyday tool that will take care of small repairs and take care of small household tasks. Leatherman seems great!
I'm just wondering, did you end up switching your EDC to the Leatherman, or did you go back to the Victorinox? I looked for videos to see what the results were, but could not find it. Wondering what your final thoughts were:). Loved this video! Very gentle comparison! Thank you!
It doesn't matter what else I carry, I always try to have some kind of SAC with me, so I think you'll eventually go back to your s18.
I'd prefer the CUSTOM MOD to the can opener to make it more of a rescue hook cutter .......
I'd like o see a few more MODS as options ... but , I can grind and use a Dremel ... so ??
BUT in all the FOUR DECADES of SAK ownership ... I absolutely HATE how often the springs break ! ! ! !
I am just starting to carry a Wenger style bar instead of spring .. will see how that holds up ...
( do NOT like the serrated scissor blade that comes with that option though ???? )
Hey DCA and Reverse Tom-to! I’m looking for a new camp folder. Under $150. I want something easy to open and close with one hand. I’m considering the Demko AD 20.5 or the Civivi Conspirator. Anything else I should be looking at? Thanks!
Oh and don’t worry, I still use my Casstrom no. 10 for “real” camp tasks.
I've carried the Swiss army knives for over 30 years. Never would buy a winger knife. I think they're cheap knockoffs. Only Swiss for me. Nothing wrong with leatherman's. But I just prefer Swiss army victorinox.
Why is the T4 so thick?
I am a brewer, if Leatherman did a Free "Juice" I would be right on it. I know Leatherman hates corkscrews for some reason but I do actually use it in my job and it would be a cool addition to their portfolio
You are such a cheaters!!!
99,5 episode...
BTW, I've got an idea for the 100 episode. You will give away all of Your knives for the all of Your faithful subscribers! The best knives for those with the biggest love, like me!
I have four Leathermen two large and two small. I carried the Micra for years in my fifth pocket. I never carry the large ones. Too heavy. I carry one of five Victorinox every day. They are more user friendly end feel better in hand. Great video.
Hi DC,
I have no experience with either so my opinions are sort of more academic. However I can make some observations as I have used other models from both brands for decades.
Firstly, the tools on the Victorinox are just in a different league from the Leatherman tools. For example, the Leatherman scissors never ceases to irritate me with its fiddlyness! Yuck! Also, the awl/reamer of the SAK is unbeatable in every respect! The Victorinox philosophy for its blade steel, shape and design has been the subject of reams of comments and discussions, and they have steadfastly stuck to their guns throughout, and they still outsell just about everyone! It obviously works!
Lastly, the impact of the work done by Felix Immler and his books/videos about Victorinox knives clearly demonstrates what the knives are capable of. Mostly, the limitations reside more in the minds of the users themselves, not the tool!
One point, however, is clear. If one's needs include the use of a pair of pliers, and if that is important to one, then the Leatherman does enter the arena very strongly. That's why I have one! However, for the outdoors, that need dissipates quite a bit. If one needs something for making traps/snares with wire, a pliers is needed, but the Victorinox pliers are designed for that specific task, and that levels the playing field.
Thanks DC, and my 10 cents' worth!
Cheers
Swiss vs USA! Hello from the Netherlands !'ve been watching this channel for some time now, and it occured to me that you always say 'made in the USA' when applicable. I was wondering what this means exactly (for you as Americans) besides the country of manufacture. Does it mean a certain level of quality? In The Netherlands we regard 'made in Germany' as a quality indication for example (and considering we are arch rivals, especially at soccer, they probably deserve it)
Nothing wrong with both of these tools,but i believe that Victorinox has to step up their steel game and introduce some upgrades ,at least at some models. And Leatherman should too and has done in a few tools. I would like to see a classic SD style Leatherman ,something that would be built like a tank but in keychain size. That would be an incredible addition to the Leatherman collection and it would be nice to see an opponent to the Classic SD. But please, leave the base metals behind , time for an upgrade.
I'm not saying this comment is comparable to DCA's point in this video. However, I have carried a skeletool cx since their conception back in like 2007 or 2008 while is was in the teams way back when. I used to use the driver end to punch holes for det cord in certain applications. It always seemed to have everything I needed when coupled with my primary fixed blade. Not to mention it was light and portable. Big plus when carrying upwards to 80 pounds of gear in the desert. I still carry one today and have extras for camping, hiking and emergency jump bags and kits ect. I never leave home without one. Thomas understands. At least he used to. Lol
I come seeking guidance from you fine people. I’ve been carrying a zt0350 for about three years now and it’s been amazing. I’ve thrown it, beat it, abused it, and it’s still kicking, but I’m getting a little tired of the recurve. So I’m looking for something to take it’s place, I don’t mind chunky, and my budget is pretty flexible so feel free to shoot me some ideas if any of you know a knife that might be able to take it’s place. (Preferably made in the USA, but obviously not mandatory)
Hey Knife center narrators. I just bought a magnacut Hogue Deka. Unfortunately they come with plastic handles. Do you know where I could score some more premium handle scales, aftermarket? Thanks.
What the hell are you gon' do with a flimsy ass knife, a nail file, non locking tools, and no pliers? Garbage. I know I'm highly biased, but I can't imagine having to do my job ( Industrial Mechanic ) or life in general with a swiss army knife over the brilliantly designed Leatherman :P
Swiss army for me
What's the best Letherman equivalent/replacement for Victorinox Cybertool?
My edc is The British Army Clasp Knife, and my Victoriaknox Swisstool, the first model from the 90s I think.
Got the EvoGrip S18 too. My EDC. The problem with Leatherman ist the law in Germany. It‘s one hand open… Forbidden…
Hello DCA, I saw that Boker did a really cool thing, they made damascus knives forged with steels from Sherman and Tiger tanks and other historic weapons. What are the knives that they did this with? Do any other knife companies do this? Thank you.
Heya DCA, need some advice.
I have a mini griptilian that is too small for my comfort, as i have Large to XL hands.
I do love the crossbar style lock, but would be willing to look into any finger safe closing method.
Id also like something that i can eventually upgrade the scales to something more premium than black plastic.
Any suggestions?
Victorinox would be the perfect knife if they would upgrade their steel. Vg10 would be nice
I’m a big fan of the EVO14 without the locking blade. I just wish they’d upgrade their file.
A lot of good points for the two of them. Where I work I wouldn’t pull out any bigger of a blade then my Letherman Skeletool .Everyone seems to relate to a SAK and it has a less threatening look to non knife people. Please give us an update on what you think of the PS4 after using it for a while.
Have you done any videos on ULUs? Are traditional shape better than modified? Is there a pocket option for an ULU besides the 'pocket ULU' that only has a 1.5in blade and can't chop?
I’m sure the quality of the Leatherman T4 is great, but I don’t like its design. It’s too boxy to my taste. I’ll stick to my Victorinox knives instead.
Trying out Gerber Suspension and resting my Skeletool. Prefer belt clip instead of pouch.
What is the best non-Victorinox Swiss Army Knife for you guys.... Which is the most cost-efficient tool in this category? Thanks
I've been looking for an EDC under $200 that has a full flat grind recurved clip point. What's out there?
The T4 has tools that are usable, not punch dagger style or off-centre, everything’s one handed and locks, there’s nothing on it you don’t need like corkscrews or tin openers, the blade is thicker ,stronger and slices cleanly and it sits in pocket on the flimsiest shorts no problem. If the weight means you struggle to use it and I speak here as someone who’s far from a body builder, you need to work out more, try using a bigger teaspoon for stirring your tea…baby steps.
The one handed opening means you can open it, cut whatever you need and put it away without anyone noticing, you don’t need to two hand it which is much more obvious.
Leatherman sucks! Just grab some Knipex Cobra's!
I’ve always preferred Victorinox I’ve a a leatherman sideclip and the belt clip always got loose and one of the plier tips snapped off kind turned off from leather man. And for me personally I like the feel the victorinix in my hands better than the leatherman
Personally I don't think there is a dimes worth of difference between the two ,we didn't discuss price could be the deciding factor .Ps I am a sac fan always have one stuck in my jeans however certainly no problem with weatherman