Very few people live to 87 years, you basically spent half of your life supporting the scum known as Adobe. I've pirated their software for 90% of the time that I've used it... So maybe it balances out in the end.
Personally, I don't think I will cancel my subscription to Adobe because of a very simple reason, I never had a subscription to any Adobe products... 🙂👍
The first version of Photoshop I used was 2.5, released in 1993. This was before it had the concept of layers! Canceling my subscription felt like giving up a little piece of myself. Of course, Adobe is just another company out to make a buck. It's hasn't been about the art for a long time (if it ever was). There are plenty of other great tools today, and the only real burden in giving it up is that now I'll have to carry around a somewhat heavier wallet.
@@Loggus66 it's not an reasonable claim. once you buy an item, you own it and it's former owner( the store ) doesn't own it anymore. But now you may only buy it if they still keep ownership while not longer owning it anymore. ain't that weird and unfair ?
Okay, Logus. You went to the store, bought hammer and built house using it. Then, company which produces hammers declares something like “everything you’ve built using our hammer belongs to us”. Is it fair?
@@Loggus66 Dude. Even if you go out there and actually RENT(!) something, like a Truck, tools or what ever the company that gave it to you is not "entitled" to any of the profits that you're making with that Truck or the goods that you're hauling and creating with it. This kind of practise has been actually common at some point like hundreds of years ago but it was seen as extremely unjust. Because that is what was done with peasants ... are we the peasants of Adobe now?
Guys i'm pretty sure Loggus66 is being sarcastic because he said "You don't want lil' brushes to starve, do you." after the potentially inflammatory first part.
This might be commented already but heres how you effectively cancel your "annual" subscription without paying hundreds of dollars of early cancellation fees: Switch your plan to the cheapest plan (doesnt matter which technically because this will be reimbursed anyway) then immediately cancel. Youll get a prorated amount returned from your previous plan, and also get your new plan amount reimbursed within a week. The reason why this works is because with every new plan you sign up for, you get 30 days to cancel for free. Since you switched plans and they dont charge a fee for this, you can just cancel the new plan rght away. I tried this last week and it worked perfectly.
I spent months trying to cancel my plan, I wish I saw your comment sooner. They’d lie to me saying they cancelled it, and I’d end up getting charged again! Call back, explain what happened, and they’d tell me they can’t even refund what they charged. Went back and forth with this for a very long time. Eventually decided the next step would be to contact my bank
I switched to Affinity when Adobe announced their subscription basis years ago, but I still use CS3 (and Lightroom V1) on an older computer and with an older epson printer that I can still get ink for. It doesn't have all of the bells and whistles of the newer software but it's still a very capable dinosaur that doesn't require continued payments.
Take care of that computer and OS installation! I recently upgraded my 8 yo PC, and could not activate in the new one. I even tried emailing them, but they consider it a discontinued/obsolete product. Had zero issues with other developers (eg Ableton...)
@@lucluco3274 Interesting. Same for me, but I might be a bit more resistive - here in Germany we have a different legal system. I'll see what comes out of it (and this "discontinued/obsolete product" does not exempt them here in Germany - a perpetual license is a perpetual license, so they have to activate my product or give me an alternative way of making it run). Maybe Adobe needs to be actually sued for this practice …
If it's OK for them to steal my data then it's ok for me to pirate their software. EDIT: Watching you all get sand in your manpons over a piece of software i don't use is comedy gold. I have Photoshop Elements 2018. I have never used any Adobe software other than that (except that awful PDF reader). But, thanks for the boost to my channel!!! Cats say thanks as well...
Cancelled just a few days ago, myself. I'd only just began training not too long ago. I can get along with alternatives. I'm looking at Affinity, which may not be suitable for everyone.
We all know once they start they could change their teams and conditions any moment, never trust any subscriptions product for long term use. Same to me, just stay away from their product with even need to read the teams and conditons, also one of product license I owned was rejected when i need to restall.
I really like how jetbrains is handling their subscription model. You pay monthly/yearly and get the latest of their version. If you stop paying, you can use the version which were the newest one when you cancelled your subscription. I find that a good compromise.
I cancelled adobe years ago and I still have adobe updater and other shell files randomly ghosting my OS. Almost impossible to find and delete all the files. Totally agree it operates like a f***ing malware.
@@albertwong4516I remember back in the late 90s my dad installed at&t dial up no matter what he tried the software kept automatically opening and trying to dial into their service on startup.
for me i found this easier than trying to find then remove everything adobe. Moving all my content to an external hard drive that wasn't already then resetting my windows install as Adobe has so many hooks even after you uninstall Adobe CC
You still need to go further. After uninstalling Adobe products, it's been found that there still is something left over in the PC. People have found that if they try to pirate PS after previously owning a real copy, somehow Adobe will detect it and auto delete it from your computer.
Seriously though. I flagged background Adobe processes running after I "deleted" it, and it basically still ran every process it did before deletion. Could see it was transferring data, so clearly even after removing the software they keep the trackers on and conveniently forgot I wasn't a customer anymore. Even with MULTIPLE software removal tools the Adobe suite is STILL being flagged in my background processes. It's fucking absurd, and the fact that they still are collecting my data after I uninstalled their software is the icing on the cake.
Except that John Adobe doesn't have the gall to record a video in his luxurious mansion explaining that he just sold the rights but to make things even, teach how to cancel your subscription while smoking the fattest cigar
As a man of nearly 50, I recall back in the windows 95/98 days, it was recommended to reinstall windows once a year to combat bloat. Now it's recommended to do the same to combat corporate spyware.
The US federal government is taking Adobe to court over the difficulty of cancelling a business sub. The indictment names the specific senior execs who were responsible for the policy. Karma!
Government suing companies like that? Really ? ..id rather need to see money supply on blockchain diminish from these companies after being sued, everything is just not believable.
That’s why I haven’t bothered to cancel it, I just got myself new card. Ridiculous of adobe trying to charge me more money just to cancel my subscription. ADOBE HAD BECINE BERY GREEDY!
What's also pretty vile is that in the EU they make it much clearer that you're signing up for a year, and what that will cost, and also much easier to cancel, because the EU has consumer protection laws that force them to. They are actively choosing not to do that in the US, even though they can, and are already doing it in other markets. Clear evidence of an intentional policy to screw and manipulate their customers.
Yeah but even in the EU things should be even stricter - and first of all, ppl should be educated. To don't buy from sh.t companies. Anything. But the lobbyists are here just as much as there.
The big issue is NOT primarily the AI issue. That's a distraction and deviation. The big elephant in the room is Adobe taking ownership of content produced by users. Their actions abuse a dominant position to coerce ordinary customers, to give over intellectual property rights.
true. I do work for some really confidant stuff / clients with lot‘s of security issues and tons of NDAs. I actually fear to use adobe software for that kind of work in the future.
Once they've trained their generative AI, they've already won. The Adobe brand and its product line can tank, but at that point it doesn't even matter anymore. The trained AI model is now the only thing that matters. And the people willing to pay to use it won't be creative people with moral objections.
@@Oakette If Adobe is so stupid, that they really think one model will carry them. I run stable diffusion locally on my hardware. I switch models every month or so. Especially Juggernaut is incredibly powerful, maybe even the most advanced model for generating People at the moment. This model receives updates very frequently. If adobe is betting everything they have on one model, they will be dead by the end of 2025. Which might also be a good thing.
@@cdertschei It will probably be impossible now. Any situation where you are working with sensitive data or data you have no right to sublicense can’t be done with adobe anymore.
They are not "taking ownership" of your content, they still let you use it ;) you just give them the right to do what they want with it, it is still yours, this is common, Facebook had the same crap for many years (and now they use it for AI training).
That is the core of the issue, this applies to every big tech company, look at apple for example, people are stupid enough to spend a big amount of money for a phone, or nvidia they want sometimes 2000 USD for a graphic card. the problem is not these evil corporates as we know they are out there to make money, the problem is with people buying their products.
I purchased Adobe when you could actually own the software. The interesting thing about that is that, even though you technically owned the software, Adobe stopped supporting it. Furthermore, as a result of requiring updated software to continue, the purchased software became useless. Essentially Adobe disabled the content you had already paid for and owned. I ceased doing any business with them at that time because it was obvious that they were just a bunch of thieves masquerading as a business.
Same thing happened to me. When Adobe went to the subscription model, I told myself, "Screw that -- I'll just use my purchased copy of CS6 as long as I can." A few months later, when I launched a CS app, a window came up saying my license had expired and I had to update to the subscription version. I called Adobe, made a huge stink, talked with 4 different people, and they ended up giving me a new passcode that would allow access for another year. I used that time to migrate to other tools.
All companies are thieves masquerading as businesses... and NEVER EVER think that a business is your friend or has your interest in mind. All they care about is MONEY. Nothing else. You mean nothing to them except your money.
@@SplashJohnfrom my understanding of the law, which I read on this topic about 12 years ago, so long as you maintain a physical copy of a piece of software you have purchased, you can legally run a pirated copy. I maintain a physical CS6 collection and still use the software without issue. However, due to updates by various software and drivers, I will be switching to Linux and likely, finally, shifting to other software in the very near future.
You're not telling the full story, people were stealing from Adobe because even though they required the software purchases there were tons of pirated versions. I should know - I never bought software. I had hackers install every single version that I ever used up until 2012. Of course the work versions were paid for but in my personal life I bootlegged everything and I know plenty of designers who did the same thing. Adobe had to do something, they were losing hundreds of millions. That doesn't make them thieves, they're a business.
I bought Substance Painter for an asston of money back when it was owned by Allegorithmic. A year later Adobe bought the company, moved the Substance suite to the CC subscription, then discontinued the Linux release which I used. Now I can't even access the product *I LEGITIMATELY BOUGHT.* What the fuck is it other than literal theft? Pirating Adobe products is not just morally correct but a moral obligation.
do you still use substance painter or do you use something else?? I still need to use adobe for school (which, after I year, I might try the cracked versions), but if there's a substance alternative I would love to hear
China use to make every ADOBE application and charged very little only a few equivelent dollars when I was in China and left at the end of 2010, I was still useing my old Adobe applications as they did everything I needed.
The licence thing is crazy. Many editors are paid to work on exclusive or confidential video work which they are contractually obliged not to reproduce.
@@crableproductions5112So they've basically got root access to just record everything on your computer screen at all time? If so, I can't see why they wouldn't be exploiting and brokering just about any content, data ,behavior, that's of value and who's to say where the buck stops they could just tailor it to meet demands of anyone willing to pay. Wait didn't they do something with their cloud file syncing like change the service , and or charge extra or something? Damn I may have lost a bunch of work I haven't logged into creative cloud at all in months.
Happened to me too. I kept my work photos on a Cloud Software that I've paid monthly to store Data. Turned out, they sell those pictures elsewhere that can be search & easily found by google image search engine. Lucky enough, all photos I've taken of a specific house, was on Canon Camera that haven't been copied to Cloud yet. The House belong to a Chinese Billionaire with Maximum Security, for construction workers, they are not even allow to use to Phone. All phones must be confiscate before entering the area, so there'd be no pictures. Even the construction teams, are changing from Floor to Floor, in order to prevent a single group to know where part of the house. There are like 50 different construction company that work on that site. I can't imagine if the photo were leaked, they would've probably sue me to the bones.
Not only, Adobe lost customer trust of them being a reliable business partner with their back-and-forth. Probably the most important currency is now widely gone
I fell for Adobe’s deceitful pricing in college when I needed to use illustrator for a 1 week project. Entirely thought that I signed up for a $5 per month subscription that I could cancel at any time at no additional expense. After canceling the subscription the next week I was shocked to see Adobe charged me $60 (price for one entire year). At the time I only had a couple hundred dollars to my name and really needed that money. Hate shady business practices. Shame on Adobe.
I experienced a similar thing. I used the free trial and turns out i can't cancel without paying extra money, because it's an annual plan that you pay month to month. Though i got rid of this by changing my plan and using the 15-day refund thing, it's fucked that i had to search for such a weird way to get my money back.
I had to get an Adobe subscription a few years ago for a college class. They made it SO HARD to cancel it. Only way was to call them (LONG wait times). The first guy said he’d cancel my subscription and ended the call. 4 months later, I notice THEY’RE STILL BILLING ME! I called again and that time they ended it for real. Scammers.
U have to block and cancel your credit card in order to stop them from taking more. U can go to the police to put in a file of fraud and theft to get your money back.
@@jefdamen2977 At least i manage to change by plan and reduced my cancelation fee, Thank for that last drop of kindness adobe, I'll never use you again...
I'm reworking my entire workflow from top to bottom in order to remove any whiff of Adobe. I sat through the change from paid to subscription, the program bloat, the crappy customer service. Something snapped in me and that's it. I'm done. Twenty years of using this company to create my art and I'm just so completely done.
Big companies in general can get away with a lot of things that small businesses can't, and would result in the latter going out of business. There shouldn't be one rule for them and another rule for the rest. We've already had separation of church and state, how about we go for separation of business/economy and state next?
@@dafyddthomas7299 Eh, Affinity was bought by Canvas, and while they vehemently deny anything will change, I'm not hopeful. But my, by now ancient, Photo 1.5 still works with my even more ancient digital camera.
One thing worth noting is that them adding the paragraph about not using user data for AI generative model training is that they still have, as per their ToS signed by every user, the ability to use your content for ML. Machine learning is the broad term, AI is the specific one. They will still use your stuff for ML, just not for this particular AI. Very important distinction, they still will have what they originally wanted. This outrage has effectively changed nothing.
Totally agree, I remember when they did that it caused total uproar in the creative community - we never wanted this subscription in the first place! Subscriptions are a fucking con.
The "maturing" IT sector boils down to having everything done on somebody else's computer so they can lock you out if you don't pay. This model won't last 100 years.
I dropped absolutely everything cloud. Including Altium designer which cost me a pretty penny as I could see where things were heading. These companies think you have no other options. What they fail to understand that the "customers" they are trying to take advantage of currently still have agency and are able to think for themselves too.,
The bottom line is that by embracing generative AI, Adobe is eroding the economy and bussines viability of the very same creatives they (used to) regard as their main market.
Generative ai is not the bad guy in this scenario - because I look at it as a more accurate clippart resource- you still need to be able to manipulate it, and if you have an idea or vision it can only get you in range of it - not always what you are looking for. The way ai learns may be questionable if your are taking art from people without their permission or without giving them a royalty a little like sampling was in the music scene then thats not right. The creative industry has been eroding for 30 years - there was a time when in an agency had a designer, illustrator, writer and a plethora of other positions then we were asked to multi-skill learn new programs so we became multimedia artists the businesses cut their costs made more money and we had to keep up. I imagine now they probably have mostly freelance/contract designers that they use project based which has been around for a long time. I am out of the industry for many years and someone asked me to design their logo last year for 80 euro( I would not even turn on the computer for that ) because thats what another designer quoted, I told them to use the other designer. They should just go to fiver and have rapid fire artists work (they may even do a great job)on their logo or get ai to generate it. Like many people they want everthing dirt cheap and not interested in a long term collaboration that favors everyone.
@@simoncossettini9680nah AI ruins people art there's no skill anymore, it's like playing russian roullette you just keep spinning till you win, in this context until you get what you desired.
@@exogendesign4582 So let's go back to prehistory on anything that today takes away your time to do things that you would do anyway. Treat yourself with plants, because medicine takes away work from the Surgeon. What do I hear, come on.
@@Clisareyep you get it. i don't even f'ing use adobe cloud i couldn't care less lol, this is about the fact that they are saying anything we do at all
The fact that they had that lawyer talking about "lawyer stuffs is hard", just means they don't even know who their customers are. Most of the actual paid licenses for Adobe software comes from companies, who often have their own legal depts and IT teams responsible for vetting software they pay for. My company is under a bunch of NDAs with clients, so how the hell does Adobe fit into all of that if the work we're doing using their software can leak out to them directly?
It would be hopelessly naive of any company to think that Adobe (or Google or Microsoft) don't take their data. The only way to make sure it doesn't happen is to only launch the programs offline and remove all the company's data from the machine during updates.
Let's be honest here. Adobe's true customers are it's share holders. That's all that really matters to them. Adobe doesn't care about artists or creatives they only care about share holder earnings. The more money they can take from us the happier their share holders. That's the root of the problem.
That's why also IT teams are trained in basic legalese. So when this came, and the renewal window was coming, the convo was basically: IT: Hey boss new Adobe terms are a bit sus, we're putting it through legal. Legal: We confirmed IT suspicions and added a few remarks of our own. Boss: Macromedia Fireworks is still a thing? Send them a fax, tell them we're interested now
@@yds6268 Its not naive, its one thing for a company to keep your data, which you store remotely. I know for a fact that my shit is stored on google drive, or one drive, or google docs, and they are doing whatever they want with it. Its a whole different thing for work you create in a digital art tool to end up licensed by them and taken, its absurd.
Also, when was the last time, or first time, any lawyer appeared in any official capacity in a tee-shirt? It’s like they are trying to say “we’re just like you, our creative customers who we love”. Which makes it even more obvious they are running scared.
I think its important for them to mention what they want to do with it, instead of what they won't do.. "I won't hit a cat with your favorite painting" does not tell me why you need my painting in the first place.
As someone who has had the "pleasure" of cancelling an Adobe subscription - Thank you very much for warning others and F you very much Adobe, until you fire the evil suits and start acting with a minimum of integrity.
Software subscriptions are like living with an abusive partner. Everyday you come home expecting peace and tranquility but there's another letter with a whole new set of demands from her lawyer telling you what you must agree to or else. People have to get it into their heads that you can walk away and go through the pain of divorce and kicking abusive "partners" to the curb. Everyone, please stop with the Stockholm syndrome and the Adobe problem goes away.
You've presented a strong analogy between abusive relationships and software subscriptions that demand constant updates and agreement to new terms. It's a creative way to highlight the frustration users experience with the feeling of being trapped or manipulated. The idea of "walking away" or choosing alternative software solutions is a valid one, and it's true that as consumers we have the power to make those choices. By becoming more aware of the options available and resisting the pressure to conform, we can collectively influence the software industry to be more user-friendly and transparent. The term "Stockholm syndrome" is a strong one, and while it might not perfectly describe the situation, it does evoke a sense of being psychologically attached to something despite its negative effects. It's an interesting way to frame the discussion about consumer choice and the potential for change. It's important to remember that while the comparison is evocative, software subscriptions and abusive relationships are fundamentally different things. One is a business model, and the other is a harmful interpersonal dynamic. While both can involve feelings of powerlessness and frustration, it's important to distinguish between them when discussing solutions. Overall, your analogy is thought-provoking and raises valid concerns about the current state of software subscriptions. It encourages critical thinking and empowers consumers to take control of their choices.
The best way to deal with software subscriptions: 1. Pirate it. Or... 2. Use an alternative. There is tons of free and (Non-SaaS bullshittery) paid alternatives worth supporting.
Adobe is taking deranged to another level. Also funny and disgusting is the fact that you pay a subscription fee for adobe cloud so that they can steal your work.
Not just Adobe; don't be surprise to see M/ soft 360 doing this many say on quiet to build their Copliot AI, Recall AI - example allowing businesses to create AI generated documents, etc, e.g., legal
@@dafyddthomas7299 I see how this can happen in "mutant" markets like in the US but I really can't see companies getting their hands on people's personal files easily in the EU. (Hopefully)
@@ventralstreams Spyware / things running in background; like Adobe CC may be able to get access / see your drives; unfortunately with this Saga and previous ones I read on Adobe- leaking CC info to web, I don't trust Adobe at all - hence with this AI TOS G%$%$%$%$ I cancelled my Subscription immediately; even paying the fee.
AI is the "must have", even when it's the emperor's new clothes. Expect to see all the companies that were late off the mark doing unethical crap in an effort to placate the board and the shareholders.
Big corporations can't hide their excitement at the possibility of getting rid of a percentage of their staff. More money for the useless suits. That's why they rush things and get exposed. I know that progress is unstoppable but leeches shouldn't be able to take charge of the change and mess everything up for everyone.
Fair enough but what did you use it for? I use in design, Photoshop After Effects, Animate, Lightroom and much motor. Can other offerings truly use plugins , brushes and assets I have already invested in and will I now have a steep learning curve for a disparate gaggle of programs with no uniformity of use? As a business is it really practical to dump Adobe,, will it really make a difference? I don’t find Affinity does everything I need it to do. The only programs I truly find worthy alternatives are DaVinci Resolve for Premiere Pro and Logic instead of Audition. Adobe CC is just easier workflow and a common interface. Is change truly cost effective? Won’t Affinity move to a subscription model in the end now it’s been bought by Canva? All these alternatives will be bought up and eventually incorporated not a subscription model.
@@FireMunki63 Possibly with Affinity V3 but users can say stick with V2 and remain also on Windows 10 - not subscribing / going to use Microsoft AI Co-Pilot & REcall ^%%^%^%^ ocks
I work for the government and this is very concerning that Adobe was doing this! We have sensitive data presented using Adobe software. I am glad I don’t pay for a private subscription. Shame on you Adobe! And I am glad you were exposed!
I cancelled my subscription a few years ago and although it was easy, Adobe made it clear that if I cancelled midway through a year’s subscription I would lose access to said subscription with no prorated refund. Every other subscription I’ve had where I cancelled before the renewal date allowed me to keep using the service until the day the current subscription expired.
They accused me of a violation they couldn't prove in a dispute, then they stole my money and took all my designs on Adobe Stock. They make their own rule to make themselves rich.
I signed up for a 7-day trial before Christmas. Used it once to password-protect one document. Forgot to cancel until the new year, then couldn’t cancel without paying a massive surcharge of over £150. There’s a huge class action case against Adobe by users in the USA because it’s so hard to cancel. Thanks for letting us know about this additional awful practice! 😮
OK, let’s not get crazy. This is the situation where you were trying to take advantage of a free trial so that you wouldn’t have to spend money on the full product and you screwed up. Let’s not act like that’s exactly the same thing as Adobe stealing your work. If you agree to their terms and break their terms, you cannot complain.
@@SonicBoyster You don't seem to understand that it is a real problem the person there isn't complaining about having to pay for that one month they forgot to cancel subscription for but the fact that when they realised that and tried to cancel adobe makes you pay 50% of the other months you didn't use it for I'm her case if its $10 per month will have to pay 60 dollars , 10 for the first month then 50% of thr others but only ger to use it for pne month or can stay and pay them every month even when the software isn't needed anymore... THAT IS WHAT THE PERSON IS COMPLAINING ABOUT
@@tommy5480doesn't the penalty only apply if you are on an annual plan? If you are on a month-to-month plan there shouldn't be a penalty for cancelling.
@@SonicBoyster If Adobe offers a free trial for unlimited use, the customer can do exactly that. If its then impossible to cancel without a huge penalty then it's just a scam.
Companies: "Don't pirate our software! It belongs to us, because we have spent much effort and time to develope it!" Also campanies: "We allow ourself to steal everything from you!"
I'm still not over google chrome casually scanning all your hdds and sending the list of all of your files to google for YOUR PROTECTION ALRIGHT. Insane. People ate it up because chrome is too convenient and google strangled competition.
@friendlylaser I've never used Chrome on any device I care about or have data I care about. Like this tablet, I'm writing on now. It has nothing for them to steal. Just use Firefox people.
@@ColdCutz they faced mild backlash over it, I'm not sure if they turned it off or not. In any case I do not trust chrome after that. If you have hdd you can easily notice the scanning by the disk noises. I figured that out by just noticing something using my drives and checking the task manager. Web browser should have no business whatsoever scanning PC contents.
Very good video lad. Right on point. I was working for adobe, I resigned recently and canceled their dumb subscriptions. Really feeling bad for thousands and thousand of artists, creators on adobe stock, behance etc. Adobe really is EVIL.
@@Kaibrockeltwell, no. I paid for adobe because audition is way way way better than audacity. Audacity is a free software slop. Gimp is not photoshop. Because of people wishfully say it is the same or kick ass free software stagnate and stay shitty, because someone's pride will be hurt if they admit it is barely usable. Just contributing code is not enough, you should have donation campaigns for paying for UX design. Programmers make the worst UI possible.
As a current user of GIMP and an ex-user of Photoshop, I'll be the first to delay they are NOT the same, and Photoshop is much easier to use and far more powerful. But for my purposes. I'm willing to struggle a little with my projects in favour of avoiding Adobe, their cost and insane terms of use
As recently as yesterday if you open Photoshop>Preferences>Product Improvement>Photoshop Improvement Program there's a tickbox for "Yes I'd like to participate" and under that in clear unambiguous language is another checkbox that says "I give Adobe permission to use my images and associated data to train Adobe's generative AI models". Fun fact, if you opted into the improvement program the permission to train their generative AI models was ticked on for you by default when they added it. Wild that they expect people to believe that their intention wasn't to use their data to train their generative AI models when their software and terms both clearly state in plain English that that's what they intend to do.
Graphic desiner here, 20+ years of career. I remember a time when a lot of designers uses Corel Draw because of its easiest and more flexible and customizable interface compared to Adobe's. Bet at the time, even who used Corel products knew that Adobe programs were SOLID, and that fact was for decades considered an almost undisputed truth. Until Adobe came along with the change from "buying" to "renting" their products via CC. The amount of bugs, inconsistencies and flaws skyrocketed in an alarming and clearly perceived rate. Most people just kept using Adobe because of its kind of "monopoly" on the market, being the inventors of Postscript and all... Stability-wise, Adobe today is a distant shadow from what it was in the past.
I gave up on Adobe some years ago, when they started telling me that I had to have the latest high end PC to run their software (My PC at the time was a six month old high end PC) and then forced me to upgrade the software I was paying for, then crippling it so it didn't work. But what really pissed me off was when I tried to uninstall Adobe products. It took two days, numerous program downloads and three different registry edits. Only when you go through this exercise do you realise how much spyware Adobe installs on your PC without your knowledge. Oh and my PC doubled in speed after the uninstall. I'll NEVER use Adobe again.
@@evrythingis1 nope, everyone equally good at lying in any format. people more likely believe a female. and, they should have used an older lawyer of any gender
As the lawyer states VERY clearly "they know that sometimes legal language only makes sense to lawyers" This can be used in court releasing everyone from anything that is in their terms and cond. because they have admitted it only makes sense or is only cognitively perceivable by crooked twisted language that the reader can't understand therefore can not agree to because it was written to be intentionally vague and meant to hide its true meanings and intents.
Or you just lack legal context, it's not legal language (it uses the same words that you and I use on a daily basis). It's lacking context. Once you know the context, it's a reasonable TOS. Y'all are overexagerating it.
Omg, not only did Adobe try to dupe customers into signing away the rights to their contents, but to have the gall after being found out to shamelessly gaslight their customers by blaming them for being too stupid to understand legal writing!
@@Rapscallion2009 Adobe has a stranglehold on publishing houses for certain obscure features that nobody without insane money can support. They are part of the old boys club and possess names like pantone in their portfolio. The segment is shrinking, but there is a slice of business which really cannot leave.
Cloud based services is just one aspect of that "owning nothing" concept. Not even your data and software will be yours to own 😂 They're truly turning us into their cattle. If you can, opt to not use a cloud service and support regular software you can actually buy.
@Newtube_Channel in the past you bought a product, and now they push it as service? thats BS. You just want to use specific tools/operations/filters etc. But if they want it as a service, they can put it in their a$$.
I ditched Adobe years ago when they started their overpriced subscription rip-offs. Photoscape ($45 no sub) replaced Lightroom And Inkscape (free) replaced illustrator . Never used premier or photoshop anyways. So $45 flat fee as opposed to years of 100s of dollars per month, absolute no brainer.
Corruption (noun): Illegal, bad, or dishonest behaviour, especially by people in positions of power. What Adobe sought to do here, i.e., taking customers' intellectual property, went beyond greed or capitalism. It was outright theft.
it is not corruption at this point, it is a feature of the economy. adobe just played the game like everyone else is incentivised to also do. you have to move over to another type of economy to fix this shit.
WAIT!? They really said they will restrict access to their services if they don't like what you're doing on your own computer in your own home!?!? Are they insane!?
Well done Sasha for raising awareness. Not being able to cancel is a scam as old as the internet itself. Thats why I have a burner debit card that I can turn on and off whenever I like, gives me control of who is sticking their beak into my finances. I hate the SAAS rent model. Remember folks, we will own nothing and be happy!
As someone who worked at Adobe for over 10 years starting in the late 90s, I can say it's pretty heartbreaking to see what the company has become. It didn't used to be this way. The company culture is nothing like it was back in the days when it was populated by people passionate about the publishing industry and doing great things for Adobe's customers. Once Chuck and John unplugged completely from the company, the priorities and the management changed. So sad.
It's the same for all large tech companies. Once you've got all the customers you can get, there's no way for a company to grow anymore and these companies *need* to show growth at their stockholder meetings. So what do they do? They try to squeeze more money out of the customers they already do have. The exact same thing is happening to Google, Meta, Amazon, etc.
@@MrPatrickbuit and infinite growth on a finite planet is not possible. An idiotic financial and economic system that pushes companies towards this should just go away.
@@Mtaalas Unfortunately the world is still very capitalist and the powers that benefit from this system have no motivation to get rid of it. We are all entrapped by large corporations. People are okay with it because the oppression is being spoon fed to us.
That was the last straw. I switched from Adobe software to Affinity and DaVinci Resolve two weeks ago and I'm really happy with the change. Everything I need is in there and for much much much less money, no subscriptions, no stealing my content. And their lawyers falling short of calling us stupid? Fuck Adobe.
@@Sunny-uf5ndAffinity is a company that offers photo editing and vector graphic softwares without subscription model - you buy it once and you own it. Though you have to pay for update if you want new features (which is fair.)
I switched to Davinci Resolve 3 years ago, can't believe I didn't do it sooner. Easier to use, more reliable, more powerful (After Effects is essentially built into it, it's called Fusion) and bloody well FREE. Then Studio is $300 for life...
last time i tried Davinci it wouldnt stop crashing. Same thing with kdenlive. They both required constant restarts to get anything done. Are you on windows?
I do work-for-hire. When you do work-for-hire, your customer gets a copyright to the work you did when you receive payment. Several of my clients have asked that I stop using Adobe products because they do not wish to give another company a license to use their copyrighted material. Adobe’s gaslighting here is telling you to “trust them.” But my clients are firm. They are telling me to quit using Adobe products.
I'm an urbanism student. Got a message today saying my license has ended. A 1-year license that I bought 9 months ago. So did every other student that has a license, no matter how long ago they bought it. Hope they fix this ASAP. Didn't get a notification of new terms (yet) though.. But maybe the license is "ending" because they want to force you to get a new license, with the new terms
It’s so much better. My reason for going affinity was bec I didn’t want to spend 900+ a year for adobe. It’s a joke spending that much when affinity photo is 50 quid. it’s way more user friendly when wanting to do basic things as well. Affinity is just a no brainer.
Does Affinity Publisher v2 allow object style presets like InDesign? I remember testing v1 and you could only create text styles. Object styles are essential if you have hundreds or thousands of objects and you'd like to change them by editing one preset.
Let me get this straight.... Change the terms and conditions with the only option to 'Accept and Continue'. If you do not A and C and want to now cancel your subscription(because you cannot use it) you are charged a cancellation fee? Crooks!
You can get around the cancelation fee. It took me 55 minutes though. I had a yearly subscription which renewed itself a day before I was made aware of this issue. The 600€ or whatever are still not sent back, so I'll probably have to contact my bank to do so..
Thank you for the video.I just canceled my account. Also found out that they ninja changed my subscription fee to 3x and upon canceling the account. They took a cancellation fee thats worth 12 month of original monthly fee. Bye Adobe.
Governments around the world need to do far more to stop the bad practices of huge companies. Governments have fallen too far behind in understanding and regulating the "Wild West" that is the internet. Online companies from facebook to google have been in the Vanguard of abusing its users for years, well done to Sasha for calling Adobe out!
The problem is actually worse. Western governments are actively regulating the internet for the benefit of themselves and these megacorporations. The corporations collaborate to censor citizens, and the government in turn does things that prevent competition. It is a mutually beneficial relationship that screws over regular people for the benefit of the few.
Governments dont care, where do you think these politicians get their money??? They get paid maybe $200k a year and become millionaires when leaving office. Doesnt take a rocket scientist to see where all that extra money came from, selling out America and the people.
The REALLY annoying thing for me when I went to cancel was you cannot click 'Continue' on the cancelation process WITHOUT selecting a feedback reason! The list of reasons is BS too. That is illegal in the UK. You cannot force someone to give feedback to cancel a service unless it's in the contract, which it is not.
And as predictable as it may be, when they don't have profits as expected the suits will fire people on the ground to cut costs and ta da, profit numbers look good again. The facepalm of how bad the managements of companies actually run them is becoming criminally negligent.
That’s why I pirate their software. After they blocked my license and wanted me to upgrade Photoshop CC version with a subscription. So, if they do that, it’s ethically alright for me to just pirate their CC version of software and just block the Internet connectivity for that app to keep stuff safe.
The ire of this video completely encapsulates the feeling every creative person has towards all companies who have been treating us like nobodies for so freaking long. Time to take a stand. I’m sick and tired of corporations taking advantage of us and I’m not gonna take it anymore!!!
I was an Adobe customer for 8 years. I canceled the subscription a year ago, I hated that I did not own what I payed for. I will never return to this shitty company ever again.
I use intellij products. I pay ~200€ a year for them. The good thing is, if I cancel my subscription I get a "fall-back license". Every version I payed a whole year for stays in posession for eternity. If I pay for 2025, I get all Softwareupdates from that year permanently. If I want, I can pay for 2026, but I don't have to. This is how you make this payment model work for both sides.
Adobe took a lot of cash from me for Photoshop. I tried to cancel my service multiple times and they kept charging me. It went on for years. Twice I had to ask my bank to reject Adobe charges. They suck.
I had been subscribed adobe for 2 years due to university study. I thought the student discount price were the same for every year. However for the third year, the subscription price rise to the same for normal subscription. It make me very angry and unsubscribed immediately
if buying isn't owning, pirating isn't stealing, and honestly don't even bother to pirate it, because there's other free options. i am a photographer and been using lightroom for years now but i replaced it recently with dark table, yes it is harder and take more time to learn but you'll get the same result if not better
Thats everyone's new mission statement because their are a very small amount of private investors that basically own everything and its their wishes to stay in control
@@hyperreal Control of basically everything... Look up the big 3 investor companies that own majority shares in every top company. The investors force companies to push what they want. The same investors that own the food industry, also owns big pharma, banks, hospitals, and so many other companies. They also own Nvidia, Adobe, and more big tech companies. These investor companies control everything and they buy up shares in every other large company so they can remain in control and push their ideas.
As someone who works in IT, and frequently has to fix Adobe for users, I don't know how Adobe can steal any work from anyone as by all accounts its broken so fucking often they can't use it.
@@artsubskrypcjeart61yup, that's often the case with games as well. Pirates/repackers often apply additional patches and fixes, as well as cut out unnecessary and scammy stuff
@@wildmaknae_ Fr, the only time a cracked Photoshop version worked like shite for me, was when I used the "free trial" crack method, and pretty much took the program raw, no additional patches or fixes or anything. 20 euros for Clip Studio's perpetual license fixed my problem for ever, but still.....raw Photoshop is a piece of shite.
Adobe made it hell for me to cancel my subscription, they remove the option to cancel my subscription , every time I come to cancel they saying there is pending payment forcing me to pay.... ok no problem but they deliberately , after payment still not giving me the option for another day, making me forget about it till the next payment 😂
It's a good question. I was wondering something similar. I'm no lawyer. But legally as I understand it, the person or business who clicks accept on those terms with Adobe is then in technically in breach of their NDA. So he's right about being held to ransom.
Same problem exists with Microsoft doing periodic screen captures. What if the work you're doing requires security clearance? They just caused you to violate security rules.
@@potato9832 Yes / Oui; make sure that Copilot AI & Recall aren't enabled / keep making sure they are turned off and try to bypass using M/Soft, e.g., Linus OS, OpenOffice, etc
its literally impossible to cancel adobe without a cancellation fee. Even if you pay for a full year. Then try to cancel on the last day, they'll still charge you a cancellation fee. There's no point in which you have a few hours between your subscription ending to it renewing where you can cancel. it just auto renews the moment it ends. preventing you from cancelling without paying a fee.
As Theresa said above, proceed to the cancellation up until the point where they offer you a new subscription. Accept that one. Then cancel that within the “change your mind” period. It’s a loophole that still works.
I hate subscription models for software so much. Their annual subscription fee should be what pays for a lifetime license. You pay for a lifetime license, then you buy additional upgrades if you want to. That's how it used to be, and that's how it _should_ be.
They got their hand caught in the cookie jar. On June 12th, a opt-out checkmark was removed from Photoshop's settings in the Software Improvement Setting: "I give Adobe permission to use my images and associated data to train Adobe's generative Al models."
for me, the simple fact that a company that creates software for ARTISTS is closing in on anything related to AI generated crap (which is against ARTISTS) is all the evidence I need to understand this company does not deserve any single cent from me. Same thing as Artstation. Imagine being the biggest platform for hosting artists' work and then you decide to give them the finger and allow your platform to be overrun by AI, including the marketplace. All these companies deserve instant bankruptcy to learn their lesson.
I actually worked for adobe for a number of years - as a front line support tech and later as a tier 3 support person (ie - the one guy literally who could do stuff) and for the lawyers to have made a video suggests your post really shook them (I was there in the CS3-CS6 days). Usually you only heard from them when there was a pending lawsuit and they didn't want emails with specific words to show up in discovery.
and imagine - those days (cs3-cs6) adobe was still considered as legit company. Support was not outsourced to some Bangladesh 3rd party. No damn software "rental" and no annoying cloud services
@@unitradwa8314 Well support was outsourced - for a long time it was done by Stream in Beaverton. When they absorbed Macromedia - their support was done in the Philippines. After the merger they migrated everything to India where its largely handled by an outsourcing company (I can't remember who). When I applied to become a tier 3 tech - that was working for Adobe directly - you can see my name in the credits in help about for some products.
@@unitradwa8314 I actually first started there as a tech working for their outsourcing partner in Beaverton. It wasn't until a few years after they absorbed Macromedia (who did their support in Philippines) that they started moving tier 1 support to India. When I became a tier 3 tech it was for Adobe directly. It was a genuinely fun place to work :).
The future is looking worse and worse. Surely this is what GDPR and privacy law is all about, giving people the option to opt into what they share. There has to be a lawsuit in this and that is why they are backtracking massively. Well done Sasha for calling this bs out.
GDPR is more about the security of personally identifiable data not about content like this, and you'd be signing away your rights by agreeing to the license conditions.
@@FrostSpike True but two GDPR bits are relevant. 1. The data subject gave you specific, unambiguous consent to process the data. (e.g. They’ve opted in to your marketing email list.) If you are saying opt in or you can’t access your projects that is not unambiguous. 2. Data subjects can withdraw previously given consent whenever they want, and you have to honor their decision. You can’t simply change the legal basis of the processing to one of the other justifications. You can’t have a force opt in system and if that was allowed, anyone should be able to opt out at a later date if they choose.
Adobe has been sick with greed for more than a decade. *But really sick are the Abobe customers who have paid so much money every month to get standard Software.*
Cancelled after being a non-stop customer for 29 years. Yes, 1/3 of a human life. Shame on you Adobe.
Very few people live to 87 years, you basically spent half of your life supporting the scum known as Adobe. I've pirated their software for 90% of the time that I've used it... So maybe it balances out in the end.
Personally, I don't think I will cancel my subscription to Adobe because of a very simple reason,
I never had a subscription to any Adobe products...
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I stopped over 10 years ago when they started to demand a monthly pay.
The first version of Photoshop I used was 2.5, released in 1993. This was before it had the concept of layers! Canceling my subscription felt like giving up a little piece of myself.
Of course, Adobe is just another company out to make a buck. It's hasn't been about the art for a long time (if it ever was). There are plenty of other great tools today, and the only real burden in giving it up is that now I'll have to carry around a somewhat heavier wallet.
You're 87 years old? I'm impressed, most people your age don't have much of a grasp of software tools.
If paying isn't owning, pirating isn't stealing.
So if I pay for a service, I own that service?
@@drinmer1you should if the company advertises their service as a product
@@drinmer1 Go get scammed by Adobe if you like them that much
@@toiletfx5679bro same here
@@drinmer1 if someone sells me a pencil and I make a drawing with that pencil, should the seller own the drawing?
Imagine a paint and brush store telling you "I'm a partial owner of everything you make with this paint and brush" lol
Wdym "lol"? It's a reasonable claim. You don't want lil' brushes to starve, do you.
@@Loggus66 it's not an reasonable claim. once you buy an item, you own it and it's former owner( the store ) doesn't own it anymore. But now you may only buy it if they still keep ownership while not longer owning it anymore. ain't that weird and unfair ?
Okay, Logus. You went to the store, bought hammer and built house using it. Then, company which produces hammers declares something like “everything you’ve built using our hammer belongs to us”. Is it fair?
@@Loggus66 Dude. Even if you go out there and actually RENT(!) something, like a Truck, tools or what ever the company that gave it to you is not "entitled" to any of the profits that you're making with that Truck or the goods that you're hauling and creating with it. This kind of practise has been actually common at some point like hundreds of years ago but it was seen as extremely unjust. Because that is what was done with peasants ... are we the peasants of Adobe now?
Guys i'm pretty sure Loggus66 is being sarcastic because he said "You don't want lil' brushes to starve, do you." after the potentially inflammatory first part.
This might be commented already but heres how you effectively cancel your "annual" subscription without paying hundreds of dollars of early cancellation fees:
Switch your plan to the cheapest plan (doesnt matter which technically because this will be reimbursed anyway) then immediately cancel. Youll get a prorated amount returned from your previous plan, and also get your new plan amount reimbursed within a week. The reason why this works is because with every new plan you sign up for, you get 30 days to cancel for free. Since you switched plans and they dont charge a fee for this, you can just cancel the new plan rght away. I tried this last week and it worked perfectly.
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@@harjotbal3187 let's hope Adobe does not see your comment. lol
Or just cancel your card xD
That is so Adobe. A glitch they overlook finally works in our favor.
I spent months trying to cancel my plan, I wish I saw your comment sooner. They’d lie to me saying they cancelled it, and I’d end up getting charged again! Call back, explain what happened, and they’d tell me they can’t even refund what they charged. Went back and forth with this for a very long time. Eventually decided the next step would be to contact my bank
Suddenly the advantages of using a 20 year old version of Photoshop come to light.
I switched to Affinity when Adobe announced their subscription basis years ago, but I still use CS3 (and Lightroom V1) on an older computer and with an older epson printer that I can still get ink for. It doesn't have all of the bells and whistles of the newer software but it's still a very capable dinosaur that doesn't require continued payments.
Take care of that computer and OS installation! I recently upgraded my 8 yo PC, and could not activate in the new one. I even tried emailing them, but they consider it a discontinued/obsolete product. Had zero issues with other developers (eg Ableton...)
Still using CS5…
@@BoycottHollywood Same. The CC versions are bloated wrecks.
@@lucluco3274 Interesting. Same for me, but I might be a bit more resistive - here in Germany we have a different legal system. I'll see what comes out of it (and this "discontinued/obsolete product" does not exempt them here in Germany - a perpetual license is a perpetual license, so they have to activate my product or give me an alternative way of making it run). Maybe Adobe needs to be actually sued for this practice …
If it's OK for them to steal my data then it's ok for me to pirate their software. EDIT: Watching you all get sand in your manpons over a piece of software i don't use is comedy gold.
I have Photoshop Elements 2018. I have never used any Adobe software other than that (except that awful PDF reader). But, thanks for the boost to my channel!!! Cats say thanks as well...
No quarter!
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You know where i can get a safe pirated version?, i'm new to the piracy scene and i'm not good at finding stuff without malware
Arr, matey.
I never spent 1$ for their product. I always went to piratebay
I cancelled Adobe 2 days ago after being their customer for 13 years.
So what will be your alternatives?
@@code.designAffinity
I'm going to cancel too. They're charging me an insane cancellation fee though.
Cancelled just a few days ago, myself. I'd only just began training not too long ago. I can get along with alternatives.
I'm looking at Affinity, which may not be suitable for everyone.
@@code.design ill be looking for affinity in the future
I dropped Adobe the moment subscriptions where mandatory. As a product manager, I know how companies like Adobe think. No, thank you.
We all know once they start they could change their teams and conditions any moment, never trust any subscriptions product for long term use. Same to me, just stay away from their product with even need to read the teams and conditons, also one of product license I owned was rejected when i need to restall.
I purchased affinity photo and affinity, designer, and all that you own the product you look at updates for free. It’s nice.
Yeah, Imagine paying monthy to use a peice of software. Its already pre made.
I really like how jetbrains is handling their subscription model. You pay monthly/yearly and get the latest of their version. If you stop paying, you can use the version which were the newest one when you cancelled your subscription. I find that a good compromise.
Removed all Adobe cloud apps from my computer. Was as difficult as getting rid of a Virus... Thank you NOT Adobe
I cancelled adobe years ago and I still have adobe updater and other shell files randomly ghosting my OS. Almost impossible to find and delete all the files. Totally agree it operates like a f***ing malware.
Revo uninstaller is a tool everyone should get.
@@albertwong4516I remember back in the late 90s my dad installed at&t dial up no matter what he tried the software kept automatically opening and trying to dial into their service on startup.
for me i found this easier than trying to find then remove everything adobe. Moving all my content to an external hard drive that wasn't already then resetting my windows install as Adobe has so many hooks even after you uninstall Adobe CC
You still need to go further. After uninstalling Adobe products, it's been found that there still is something left over in the PC. People have found that if they try to pirate PS after previously owning a real copy, somehow Adobe will detect it and auto delete it from your computer.
I'm glad I've always pirated Adobe's software.
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They will go after these as well with the adobe genuine software checker.
@@Canleaf08yea I got hit by the license checker with the most recent version, I'm going to try an older version
@Canleaf08 that's just a series of background services you can scrub from your computer.
@@sunla I went a step further and removed Windows and Adobe software from my computers. It's Linux time.
The bigger a company gets, the more dictatorial, cunning and greedy it gets.
that's what happens when you feel like you can't be touched - you say and do too much and get a putdown.
Why does it seem like it's always an American company
Thankfully that will be the Adobe fall, it's already happening
Adobe is the McAfee of the creative software world. You'll need 3rd party software and a gallon of holy water to fully exorcise it from your computer.
LMAO!!!
Seriously though. I flagged background Adobe processes running after I "deleted" it, and it basically still ran every process it did before deletion. Could see it was transferring data, so clearly even after removing the software they keep the trackers on and conveniently forgot I wasn't a customer anymore. Even with MULTIPLE software removal tools the Adobe suite is STILL being flagged in my background processes. It's fucking absurd, and the fact that they still are collecting my data after I uninstalled their software is the icing on the cake.
Except that John Adobe doesn't have the gall to record a video in his luxurious mansion explaining that he just sold the rights but to make things even, teach how to cancel your subscription while smoking the fattest cigar
@@DisDatK9i feel like this wouldn't be possible on macos
As a man of nearly 50, I recall back in the windows 95/98 days, it was recommended to reinstall windows once a year to combat bloat. Now it's recommended to do the same to combat corporate spyware.
Adobe's recent decisions are so bad, they brought Sasha back.
LMAO
Something had to, he made the wrong call on UK inflation.
@@TheReferrer72He was correct only the greedy service sector is holding up inflation otherwise all other prices are falling
The sponsor of today's video?
@@RoxStar_ethRight because inflation should be calculated by backing out greedy companies high prices and not what the end users pays..
The US federal government is taking Adobe to court over the difficulty of cancelling a business sub. The indictment names the specific senior execs who were responsible for the policy. Karma!
Lets hope EU GOV does the same, also possibly on GDPR law violations as well, need hot shot legal companies to take class actions on our behalf.
Government suing companies like that? Really ? ..id rather need to see money supply on blockchain diminish from these companies after being sued, everything is just not believable.
Karma nothing. If found guilty they will barely have to pay 2% of their capital.
The US gov is a slave to big companies so be prepared for nothing to happen
That’s why I haven’t bothered to cancel it, I just got myself new card. Ridiculous of adobe trying to charge me more money just to cancel my subscription. ADOBE HAD BECINE BERY GREEDY!
What's also pretty vile is that in the EU they make it much clearer that you're signing up for a year, and what that will cost, and also much easier to cancel, because the EU has consumer protection laws that force them to. They are actively choosing not to do that in the US, even though they can, and are already doing it in other markets. Clear evidence of an intentional policy to screw and manipulate their customers.
Yeah but even in the EU things should be even stricter - and first of all, ppl should be educated. To don't buy from sh.t companies. Anything. But the lobbyists are here just as much as there.
The big issue is NOT primarily the AI issue. That's a distraction and deviation.
The big elephant in the room is Adobe taking ownership of content produced by users. Their actions abuse a dominant position to coerce ordinary customers, to give over intellectual property rights.
true. I do work for some really confidant stuff / clients with lot‘s of security issues and tons of NDAs. I actually fear to use adobe software for that kind of work in the future.
Once they've trained their generative AI, they've already won. The Adobe brand and its product line can tank, but at that point it doesn't even matter anymore. The trained AI model is now the only thing that matters. And the people willing to pay to use it won't be creative people with moral objections.
@@Oakette If Adobe is so stupid, that they really think one model will carry them. I run stable diffusion locally on my hardware. I switch models every month or so. Especially Juggernaut is incredibly powerful, maybe even the most advanced model for generating People at the moment. This model receives updates very frequently.
If adobe is betting everything they have on one model, they will be dead by the end of 2025. Which might also be a good thing.
@@cdertschei It will probably be impossible now. Any situation where you are working with sensitive data or data you have no right to sublicense can’t be done with adobe anymore.
They are not "taking ownership" of your content, they still let you use it ;) you just give them the right to do what they want with it, it is still yours, this is common, Facebook had the same crap for many years (and now they use it for AI training).
The moment people started agreeing for subscription based content, that was when everyone got FKD.
That is the core of the issue, this applies to every big tech company, look at apple for example, people are stupid enough to spend a big amount of money for a phone, or nvidia they want sometimes 2000 USD for a graphic card. the problem is not these evil corporates as we know they are out there to make money, the problem is with people buying their products.
this
EXACTLY. And they took it hook-line-and-sinker.
Agree. People just agreed to humiliating relationship between them and company.
Could not agree more.
I purchased Adobe when you could actually own the software. The interesting thing about that is that, even though you technically owned the software, Adobe stopped supporting it. Furthermore, as a result of requiring updated software to continue, the purchased software became useless. Essentially Adobe disabled the content you had already paid for and owned. I ceased doing any business with them at that time because it was obvious that they were just a bunch of thieves masquerading as a business.
Same thing happened to me. When Adobe went to the subscription model, I told myself, "Screw that -- I'll just use my purchased copy of CS6 as long as I can." A few months later, when I launched a CS app, a window came up saying my license had expired and I had to update to the subscription version. I called Adobe, made a huge stink, talked with 4 different people, and they ended up giving me a new passcode that would allow access for another year. I used that time to migrate to other tools.
All companies are thieves masquerading as businesses... and NEVER EVER think that a business is your friend or has your interest in mind. All they care about is MONEY. Nothing else. You mean nothing to them except your money.
@@SplashJohnfrom my understanding of the law, which I read on this topic about 12 years ago, so long as you maintain a physical copy of a piece of software you have purchased, you can legally run a pirated copy. I maintain a physical CS6 collection and still use the software without issue. However, due to updates by various software and drivers, I will be switching to Linux and likely, finally, shifting to other software in the very near future.
@@Mtaalas "All"? "Never ever"? "Nothing else"? Yeah, that's a nuanced worldview right there.
You're not telling the full story, people were stealing from Adobe because even though they required the software purchases there were tons of pirated versions. I should know - I never bought software. I had hackers install every single version that I ever used up until 2012. Of course the work versions were paid for but in my personal life I bootlegged everything and I know plenty of designers who did the same thing. Adobe had to do something, they were losing hundreds of millions. That doesn't make them thieves, they're a business.
I bought Substance Painter for an asston of money back when it was owned by Allegorithmic. A year later Adobe bought the company, moved the Substance suite to the CC subscription, then discontinued the Linux release which I used. Now I can't even access the product *I LEGITIMATELY BOUGHT.* What the fuck is it other than literal theft?
Pirating Adobe products is not just morally correct but a moral obligation.
do you still use substance painter or do you use something else??
I still need to use adobe for school (which, after I year, I might try the cracked versions), but if there's a substance alternative I would love to hear
You can actually sue them in a small claims court. Please do as doing it these days is actually easier than it used to be
China use to make every ADOBE application and charged very little only a few equivelent dollars when I was in China and left at the end of 2010, I was still useing my old Adobe applications as they did everything I needed.
@@77.88. What u mean by China making Adobe applications?
The licence thing is crazy. Many editors are paid to work on exclusive or confidential video work which they are contractually obliged not to reproduce.
This.... We are not even allowed to have internet connection on our work computers for security and legal reasons.
@@crableproductions5112So they've basically got root access to just record everything on your computer screen at all time? If so, I can't see why they wouldn't be exploiting and brokering just about any content, data ,behavior, that's of value and who's to say where the buck stops they could just tailor it to meet demands of anyone willing to pay.
Wait didn't they do something with their cloud file syncing like change the service , and or charge extra or something? Damn I may have lost a bunch of work I haven't logged into creative cloud at all in months.
hospitals too! personal health info...
Happened to me too.
I kept my work photos on a Cloud Software that I've paid monthly to store Data. Turned out, they sell those pictures elsewhere that can be search & easily found by google image search engine. Lucky enough, all photos I've taken of a specific house, was on Canon Camera that haven't been copied to Cloud yet. The House belong to a Chinese Billionaire with Maximum Security, for construction workers, they are not even allow to use to Phone. All phones must be confiscate before entering the area, so there'd be no pictures.
Even the construction teams, are changing from Floor to Floor, in order to prevent a single group to know where part of the house. There are like 50 different construction company that work on that site.
I can't imagine if the photo were leaked, they would've probably sue me to the bones.
Not only, Adobe lost customer trust of them being a reliable business partner with their back-and-forth. Probably the most important currency is now widely gone
I fell for Adobe’s deceitful pricing in college when I needed to use illustrator for a 1 week project. Entirely thought that I signed up for a $5 per month subscription that I could cancel at any time at no additional expense. After canceling the subscription the next week I was shocked to see Adobe charged me $60 (price for one entire year). At the time I only had a couple hundred dollars to my name and really needed that money. Hate shady business practices. Shame on Adobe.
Experienced that pricing catch myself
I experienced a similar thing. I used the free trial and turns out i can't cancel without paying extra money, because it's an annual plan that you pay month to month. Though i got rid of this by changing my plan and using the 15-day refund thing, it's fucked that i had to search for such a weird way to get my money back.
I pay $70.00 per month and you're crying about 60.00 for an entire year, you're funny 🤣
@@lisabrightlybecause money is relative. 60$ was a lot for him he just stated. Don’t be like that Lisa. UGH
@@lisabrightlyGiving Adobe $70 a month is NOT a flex
Just cancelled mine after 20 years being a customer. They are so non-caring they don't ask anymore why you are leaving.
I had to get an Adobe subscription a few years ago for a college class. They made it SO HARD to cancel it.
Only way was to call them (LONG wait times). The first guy said he’d cancel my subscription and ended the call. 4 months later, I notice THEY’RE STILL BILLING ME! I called again and that time they ended it for real. Scammers.
You’re not the only one, i am trying to cancel it myself but i had a college plan and can’t even cancel i had to pay for 4 more months to cancel it
Call your bank
U have to block and cancel your credit card in order to stop them from taking more.
U can go to the police to put in a file of fraud and theft to get your money back.
@@jefdamen2977 At least i manage to change by plan and reduced my cancelation fee, Thank for that last drop of kindness adobe, I'll never use you again...
Have the transaction blocked by your bank
@@AriZenCh.
I'm reworking my entire workflow from top to bottom in order to remove any whiff of Adobe. I sat through the change from paid to subscription, the program bloat, the crappy customer service. Something snapped in me and that's it. I'm done. Twenty years of using this company to create my art and I'm just so completely done.
I'm seriously contemplating cutting off Adobe too. So expensive each month.
I feel bad for the people who weren't able to switch sooner :(
Or you can revert to good old PRE-cloud versions like v6.0 when it was made by proper people
Adobe is not alone in this. Countless big and well known companies screw over their customers - just glad you said it like it is 👍🏼
Not to mention Google.
Other companies at least give you control to say NO. Figma allows opt in or opt out.
Big companies in general can get away with a lot of things that small businesses can't, and would result in the latter going out of business.
There shouldn't be one rule for them and another rule for the rest. We've already had separation of church and state, how about we go for separation of business/economy and state next?
@Jack_Warner I love Louis Rossman
Pioneer DJ has this in their latest update as well. I am switching to Mixx
Affinity must be doing great thanks to Adobe's treatment of their customers.
Oh yeah. I have no commercial relationship with them but I bet I sent over hundreds if not thousands of new customers. :)
Lets hope they do not Ctrl C+V Adobe & Microsoft SAS model
@@SashaYanshin Me being one of them.. I've never heard of affinity until this video. THANKS!!!!!!
@@dafyddthomas7299 Eh, Affinity was bought by Canvas, and while they vehemently deny anything will change, I'm not hopeful. But my, by now ancient, Photo 1.5 still works with my even more ancient digital camera.
And they KNEW what they were doing with their "sudden" 50% off deal! 🤣
One thing worth noting is that them adding the paragraph about not using user data for AI generative model training is that they still have, as per their ToS signed by every user, the ability to use your content for ML. Machine learning is the broad term, AI is the specific one. They will still use your stuff for ML, just not for this particular AI. Very important distinction, they still will have what they originally wanted. This outrage has effectively changed nothing.
Of course you have right...and even Jessica from Adobe Legal Team would agree with you
Adobe were shat as soon as they abandoned their boxed products many years ago
Totally agree, I remember when they did that it caused total uproar in the creative community - we never wanted this subscription in the first place!
Subscriptions are a fucking con.
@@MR_THINQ
"it caused total uproar in the creative community"
And then most of them opted to pay their subscriptions.
Adobe shareholders: 😂
I've held onto my old copies of CS 5 & 6 for so long...now I know why.
Welcome to technofeudalism
Better pay your landlords for the right to toil on those digital fields
@@organismseven3700 tit
after they went down the subscription service route I cancelled them.
What are you using instead of theirs?
@@TheGreatness-gg1jx yo ho, yo ho..
I used CS4
Same. Affinity suite is excellent
I stuck with CS5. It mostly does enough for my requirements.
The "maturing" IT sector boils down to having everything done on somebody else's computer so they can lock you out if you don't pay. This model won't last 100 years.
IT loves to go dystopian. Its crazy
Neither will we
ten years tops. prolly less
Won't last ten years. Too many smart people ready to pounce on their stupidity.
I dropped absolutely everything cloud. Including Altium designer which cost me a pretty penny as I could see where things were heading. These companies think you have no other options. What they fail to understand that the "customers" they are trying to take advantage of currently still have agency and are able to think for themselves too.,
The bottom line is that by embracing generative AI, Adobe is eroding the economy and bussines viability of the very same creatives they (used to) regard as their main market.
Generative ai is not the bad guy in this scenario - because I look at it as a more accurate clippart resource- you still need to be able to manipulate it, and if you have an idea or vision it can only get you in range of it - not always what you are looking for. The way ai learns may be questionable if your are taking art from people without their permission or without giving them a royalty a little like sampling was in the music scene then thats not right.
The creative industry has been eroding for 30 years - there was a time when in an agency had a designer, illustrator, writer and a plethora of other positions then we were asked to multi-skill learn new programs so we became multimedia artists the businesses cut their costs made more money and we had to keep up. I imagine now they probably have mostly freelance/contract designers that they use project based which has been around for a long time. I am out of the industry for many years and someone asked me to design their logo last year for 80 euro( I would not even turn on the computer for that ) because thats what another designer quoted, I told them to use the other designer. They should just go to fiver and have rapid fire artists work (they may even do a great job)on their logo or get ai to generate it. Like many people they want everthing dirt cheap and not interested in a long term collaboration that favors everyone.
@@simoncossettini9680nah AI ruins people art there's no skill anymore, it's like playing russian roullette you just keep spinning till you win, in this context until you get what you desired.
@@exogendesign4582 So let's go back to prehistory on anything that today takes away your time to do things that you would do anyway. Treat yourself with plants, because medicine takes away work from the Surgeon. What do I hear, come on.
This has been your daily reminder that 'On the cloud' means "In someone else's computer". If data is not on your PC, you don't own it or control it.
Yeah except this extends to stuff on your computer
Not if you have windows. They also take information from your pc.
@@Clisareyep you get it. i don't even f'ing use adobe cloud i couldn't care less lol, this is about the fact that they are saying anything we do at all
It really is that simple. The whole of cloud boils down to that.
external hard drives are a conspiracy theorist's best friend. Get some bays and stack up on your externals. CDs too.
The fact that they had that lawyer talking about "lawyer stuffs is hard", just means they don't even know who their customers are. Most of the actual paid licenses for Adobe software comes from companies, who often have their own legal depts and IT teams responsible for vetting software they pay for. My company is under a bunch of NDAs with clients, so how the hell does Adobe fit into all of that if the work we're doing using their software can leak out to them directly?
It would be hopelessly naive of any company to think that Adobe (or Google or Microsoft) don't take their data.
The only way to make sure it doesn't happen is to only launch the programs offline and remove all the company's data from the machine during updates.
Let's be honest here. Adobe's true customers are it's share holders. That's all that really matters to them. Adobe doesn't care about artists or creatives they only care about share holder earnings. The more money they can take from us the happier their share holders. That's the root of the problem.
That's why also IT teams are trained in basic legalese.
So when this came, and the renewal window was coming, the convo was basically:
IT: Hey boss new Adobe terms are a bit sus, we're putting it through legal.
Legal: We confirmed IT suspicions and added a few remarks of our own.
Boss: Macromedia Fireworks is still a thing? Send them a fax, tell them we're interested now
@@yds6268 Its not naive, its one thing for a company to keep your data, which you store remotely. I know for a fact that my shit is stored on google drive, or one drive, or google docs, and they are doing whatever they want with it. Its a whole different thing for work you create in a digital art tool to end up licensed by them and taken, its absurd.
Also, when was the last time, or first time, any lawyer appeared in any official capacity in a tee-shirt? It’s like they are trying to say “we’re just like you, our creative customers who we love”. Which makes it even more obvious they are running scared.
I think its important for them to mention what they want to do with it, instead of what they won't do..
"I won't hit a cat with your favorite painting" does not tell me why you need my painting in the first place.
of course. that's exactly why they didn't do so
Great analogy.
So you're telling me Adobe is hitting dogs with my paintings????? And Ms. Piggy?!??! Evil bastards!!!
They're dodging the question because they know if they answer honestly people will get mad
I banged my head against the desk attempting to cancel an Adobe subscription a couple of years ago. I thought it was just me.
I've had similar experience with other software. Ended up just blocking the merchant on my bank's side :) Easy and effective.
As someone who first started using Adobe software 20 years ago and finished 8 years ago, avoid them at all costs. Resolve, Affinity and Figma
What software do you use instead of Adobe
@@comedunken6156 same as Sasha, Resolve and Affinity
@@comedunken6156 Coreldraw is just as good for most purposes. And much much cheaper.
@@comedunken6156 Canva
What software you using?
As someone who has had the "pleasure" of cancelling an Adobe subscription - Thank you very much for warning others and F you very much Adobe, until you fire the evil suits and start acting with a minimum of integrity.
Software subscriptions are like living with an abusive partner. Everyday you come home expecting peace and tranquility but there's another letter with a whole new set of demands from her lawyer telling you what you must agree to or else. People have to get it into their heads that you can walk away and go through the pain of divorce and kicking abusive "partners" to the curb.
Everyone, please stop with the Stockholm syndrome and the Adobe problem goes away.
You've presented a strong analogy between abusive relationships and software subscriptions that demand constant updates and agreement to new terms. It's a creative way to highlight the frustration users experience with the feeling of being trapped or manipulated.
The idea of "walking away" or choosing alternative software solutions is a valid one, and it's true that as consumers we have the power to make those choices. By becoming more aware of the options available and resisting the pressure to conform, we can collectively influence the software industry to be more user-friendly and transparent.
The term "Stockholm syndrome" is a strong one, and while it might not perfectly describe the situation, it does evoke a sense of being psychologically attached to something despite its negative effects. It's an interesting way to frame the discussion about consumer choice and the potential for change.
It's important to remember that while the comparison is evocative, software subscriptions and abusive relationships are fundamentally different things. One is a business model, and the other is a harmful interpersonal dynamic. While both can involve feelings of powerlessness and frustration, it's important to distinguish between them when discussing solutions.
Overall, your analogy is thought-provoking and raises valid concerns about the current state of software subscriptions. It encourages critical thinking and empowers consumers to take control of their choices.
The best way to deal with software subscriptions:
1. Pirate it. Or...
2. Use an alternative. There is tons of free and (Non-SaaS bullshittery) paid alternatives worth supporting.
They are an awful company with no integrity
There needs to be laws about that. They can't just change the terms on access to someone else's data.
"I'm a lawyer and I'm here to help" is almost WORSE than "I'm from the Government and I'm here to help"
Nahhh. The government can do far more damage to your life than a private lawyer. Plus, there are government lawyers.
Adobe is taking deranged to another level. Also funny and disgusting is the fact that you pay a subscription fee for adobe cloud so that they can steal your work.
Not just Adobe; don't be surprise to see M/ soft 360 doing this many say on quiet to build their Copliot AI, Recall AI - example allowing businesses to create AI generated documents, etc, e.g., legal
@@dafyddthomas7299 I see how this can happen in "mutant" markets like in the US but I really can't see companies getting their hands on people's personal files easily in the EU. (Hopefully)
@@ventralstreams Spyware / things running in background; like Adobe CC may be able to get access / see your drives; unfortunately with this Saga and previous ones I read on Adobe- leaking CC info to web, I don't trust Adobe at all - hence with this AI TOS G%$%$%$%$ I cancelled my Subscription immediately; even paying the fee.
AI is the "must have", even when it's the emperor's new clothes. Expect to see all the companies that were late off the mark doing unethical crap in an effort to placate the board and the shareholders.
Big corporations can't hide their excitement at the possibility of getting rid of a percentage of their staff. More money for the useless suits. That's why they rush things and get exposed. I know that progress is unstoppable but leeches shouldn't be able to take charge of the change and mess everything up for everyone.
Just ended my subscription yesterday. Fuck Adobe.
Fair enough but what did you use it for? I use in design, Photoshop After Effects, Animate, Lightroom and much motor. Can other offerings truly use plugins , brushes and assets I have already invested in and will I now have a steep learning curve for a disparate gaggle of programs with no uniformity of use? As a business is it really practical to dump Adobe,, will it really make a difference? I don’t find Affinity does everything I need it to do. The only programs I truly find worthy alternatives are DaVinci Resolve for Premiere Pro and Logic instead of Audition. Adobe CC is just easier workflow and a common interface. Is change truly cost effective? Won’t Affinity move to a subscription model in the end now it’s been bought by Canva? All these alternatives will be bought up and eventually incorporated not a subscription model.
@@FireMunki63 are you paid for this comment ??
They try to screw their customers and you ok with it ??
@@FireMunki63 Possibly with Affinity V3 but users can say stick with V2 and remain also on Windows 10 - not subscribing / going to use Microsoft AI Co-Pilot & REcall ^%%^%^%^ ocks
Ended today
@@FireMunki63 affinity, Davinci resolve and fusion function for after effects or nuke
I hate that I can't remove my credit card, that should be extremely illegal
I'm sure it is.
@@tsm688it actually is
For companies like this I use virtual CC. I can create 10 with my bank. If they don't let me cancel i just delete the virtual card.
I work for the government and this is very concerning that Adobe was doing this! We have sensitive data presented using Adobe software.
I am glad I don’t pay for a private subscription. Shame on you Adobe! And I am glad you were exposed!
I will not pay a subscription to edit photos. I will only pay once for software. And if they steal my work I won’t pay at all. It’s that simple
No, no, no. You agreed to their TOS which grants them rights and ownership to everything you create with their rental software.
@@TheLotwanother win for piracy, zero TOS accepted o7
They steal your stuff, we should steal theirs.
No no. Make them irrelevant.
In all honesty I can see someone over at Adobe having had this exact train of thought to justify this full-on-corporate move.
Train an AI on photoshop and have it make a program.
Train an AI on photoshop and have it make a program.
I cancelled my subscription a few years ago and although it was easy, Adobe made it clear that if I cancelled midway through a year’s subscription I would lose access to said subscription with no prorated refund. Every other subscription I’ve had where I cancelled before the renewal date allowed me to keep using the service until the day the current subscription expired.
Adobe is a very greedy company, stopped being their customer over 10 years ago, when they started to demand monthly subscription.
That is extremely petty and entitled of adobe.
They accused me of a violation they couldn't prove in a dispute, then they stole my money and took all my designs on Adobe Stock.
They make their own rule to make themselves rich.
dark patterns like no cancel button on an agreement need to be criminalized
It's not an agreement at that point.. there is literally no option to agree, or disagree.
I signed up for a 7-day trial before Christmas. Used it once to password-protect one document. Forgot to cancel until the new year, then couldn’t cancel without paying a massive surcharge of over £150. There’s a huge class action case against Adobe by users in the USA because it’s so hard to cancel. Thanks for letting us know about this additional awful practice! 😮
OK, let’s not get crazy. This is the situation where you were trying to take advantage of a free trial so that you wouldn’t have to spend money on the full product and you screwed up. Let’s not act like that’s exactly the same thing as Adobe stealing your work. If you agree to their terms and break their terms, you cannot complain.
@@SonicBoyster You don't seem to understand that it is a real problem the person there isn't complaining about having to pay for that one month they forgot to cancel subscription for but the fact that when they realised that and tried to cancel adobe makes you pay 50% of the other months you didn't use it for I'm her case if its $10 per month will have to pay 60 dollars , 10 for the first month then 50% of thr others but only ger to use it for pne month or can stay and pay them every month even when the software isn't needed anymore... THAT IS WHAT THE PERSON IS COMPLAINING ABOUT
It’s crazy 😂
@@tommy5480doesn't the penalty only apply if you are on an annual plan? If you are on a month-to-month plan there shouldn't be a penalty for cancelling.
@@SonicBoyster If Adobe offers a free trial for unlimited use, the customer can do exactly that. If its then impossible to cancel without a huge penalty then it's just a scam.
Companies: "Don't pirate our software! It belongs to us, because we have spent much effort and time to develope it!"
Also campanies: "We allow ourself to steal everything from you!"
They bought Macromedia used their IP and shut them down
I'm still not over google chrome casually scanning all your hdds and sending the list of all of your files to google for YOUR PROTECTION ALRIGHT. Insane. People ate it up because chrome is too convenient and google strangled competition.
@friendlylaser I've never used Chrome on any device I care about or have data I care about. Like this tablet, I'm writing on now. It has nothing for them to steal.
Just use Firefox people.
@@friendlylaserWTH?! I barely use Chrome but I’m about to lock that shit down if it’s still the case.
@@ColdCutz they faced mild backlash over it, I'm not sure if they turned it off or not. In any case I do not trust chrome after that. If you have hdd you can easily notice the scanning by the disk noises. I figured that out by just noticing something using my drives and checking the task manager.
Web browser should have no business whatsoever scanning PC contents.
Very good video lad. Right on point. I was working for adobe, I resigned recently and canceled their dumb subscriptions. Really feeling bad for thousands and thousand of artists, creators on adobe stock, behance etc. Adobe really is EVIL.
The audacity! They expect the customer to pay through the nose for their products AND give them access to all their work?!?! What the fuck?
For a second I thought you were talking about the free audio editing software... oh the AUDACITY! 🤣
@@daysandwords ironically, audacity (the software) is kick ass, and can easily replace adobe auditon.
@@daysandwords hey I remember using that to edit ringtones years back lol
@@Kaibrockeltwell, no. I paid for adobe because audition is way way way better than audacity. Audacity is a free software slop. Gimp is not photoshop. Because of people wishfully say it is the same or kick ass free software stagnate and stay shitty, because someone's pride will be hurt if they admit it is barely usable. Just contributing code is not enough, you should have donation campaigns for paying for UX design. Programmers make the worst UI possible.
As a current user of GIMP and an ex-user of Photoshop, I'll be the first to delay they are NOT the same, and Photoshop is much easier to use and far more powerful. But for my purposes. I'm willing to struggle a little with my projects in favour of avoiding Adobe, their cost and insane terms of use
My pirated copy of Photoshop turns 14 years old soon and I have no plans to get any other program because I simply don't care, it works for my needs.
As recently as yesterday if you open Photoshop>Preferences>Product Improvement>Photoshop Improvement Program there's a tickbox for "Yes I'd like to participate" and under that in clear unambiguous language is another checkbox that says "I give Adobe permission to use my images and associated data to train Adobe's generative AI models". Fun fact, if you opted into the improvement program the permission to train their generative AI models was ticked on for you by default when they added it. Wild that they expect people to believe that their intention wasn't to use their data to train their generative AI models when their software and terms both clearly state in plain English that that's what they intend to do.
Graphic desiner here, 20+ years of career. I remember a time when a lot of designers uses Corel Draw because of its easiest and more flexible and customizable interface compared to Adobe's. Bet at the time, even who used Corel products knew that Adobe programs were SOLID, and that fact was for decades considered an almost undisputed truth.
Until Adobe came along with the change from "buying" to "renting" their products via CC. The amount of bugs, inconsistencies and flaws skyrocketed in an alarming and clearly perceived rate. Most people just kept using Adobe because of its kind of "monopoly" on the market, being the inventors of Postscript and all...
Stability-wise, Adobe today is a distant shadow from what it was in the past.
I gave up on Adobe some years ago, when they started telling me that I had to have the latest high end PC to run their software (My PC at the time was a six month old high end PC) and then forced me to upgrade the software I was paying for, then crippling it so it didn't work. But what really pissed me off was when I tried to uninstall Adobe products. It took two days, numerous program downloads and three different registry edits. Only when you go through this exercise do you realise how much spyware Adobe installs on your PC without your knowledge. Oh and my PC doubled in speed after the uninstall.
I'll NEVER use Adobe again.
You know it's bad when they put a lawyer on video
a very intentional FEMALE lawyer
@@janem3575 Young women are the easiest to convince to publicly lie.
@@evrythingis1 nope, everyone equally good at lying in any format. people more likely believe a female. and, they should have used an older lawyer of any gender
@janem3575 Now that's just a cheap move
As the lawyer states VERY clearly "they know that sometimes legal language only makes sense to lawyers" This can be used in court releasing everyone from anything that is in their terms and cond. because they have admitted it only makes sense or is only cognitively perceivable by crooked twisted language that the reader can't understand therefore can not agree to because it was written to be intentionally vague and meant to hide its true meanings and intents.
Or you just lack legal context, it's not legal language (it uses the same words that you and I use on a daily basis). It's lacking context. Once you know the context, it's a reasonable TOS. Y'all are overexagerating it.
Omg, not only did Adobe try to dupe customers into signing away the rights to their contents, but to have the gall after being found out to shamelessly gaslight their customers by blaming them for being too stupid to understand legal writing!
Adobe’s licensing was such a nightmare as an IT Manager back in 2017. I can only imagine it will get worse every passing year
Yup. Many, many companies effectively won't touch them. There's usually alternatives. Often free ones.
@@Rapscallion2009 Adobe has a stranglehold on publishing houses for certain obscure features that nobody without insane money can support. They are part of the old boys club and possess names like pantone in their portfolio. The segment is shrinking, but there is a slice of business which really cannot leave.
“You will own nothing”.
Very much the case here!
"And you'll be happy..."
Cloud based services is just one aspect of that "owning nothing" concept.
Not even your data and software will be yours to own 😂
They're truly turning us into their cattle.
If you can, opt to not use a cloud service and support regular software you can actually buy.
I will not use your product AND I will be happy. See how that works ?
This scummy WEF crap is so tiresome. There's more of us than there are of them, they just haven't figured that out yet.
"Your data is my data, but my data is my data". How ridiculous.
@Newtube_Channel in the past you bought a product, and now they push it as service? thats BS. You just want to use specific tools/operations/filters etc. But if they want it as a service, they can put it in their a$$.
Simp harder somewhere else @Newtube_Channel
@Newtube_Channel you are already doing well on your own, just do it somewhere else where people will fall for it
@Newtube_Channel your lies? Clearly not. Unless you are dreaming. Which I'm starting to actually believe.
I ditched Adobe years ago when they started their overpriced subscription rip-offs.
Photoscape ($45 no sub) replaced Lightroom
And Inkscape (free) replaced illustrator .
Never used premier or photoshop anyways.
So $45 flat fee as opposed to years of 100s of dollars per month, absolute no brainer.
Thanks for calling out this corruption!
Not so much corruption as corporate greed here.
That's not corruption. It's extreme capitalism...
@@SashaYanshin corrupt is how they went about it and the backstabbing
Corruption (noun): Illegal, bad, or dishonest behaviour, especially by people in positions of power. What Adobe sought to do here, i.e., taking customers' intellectual property, went beyond greed or capitalism. It was outright theft.
it is not corruption at this point, it is a feature of the economy. adobe just played the game like everyone else is incentivised to also do. you have to move over to another type of economy to fix this shit.
This is one reason why I only use open-source software that respects user's rights.
WAIT!? They really said they will restrict access to their services if they don't like what you're doing on your own computer in your own home!?!? Are they insane!?
Amazon did that too.
With what?@@daysandwords
Cancelation fees with their shitty subscription model made an instant hater out of me as someone who used it purely for a class
Well done Sasha for raising awareness. Not being able to cancel is a scam as old as the internet itself. Thats why I have a burner debit card that I can turn on and off whenever I like, gives me control of who is sticking their beak into my finances. I hate the SAAS rent model. Remember folks, we will own nothing and be happy!
As someone who worked at Adobe for over 10 years starting in the late 90s, I can say it's pretty heartbreaking to see what the company has become. It didn't used to be this way. The company culture is nothing like it was back in the days when it was populated by people passionate about the publishing industry and doing great things for Adobe's customers. Once Chuck and John unplugged completely from the company, the priorities and the management changed. So sad.
That's what a monopoly does to a any company.
It's the same for all large tech companies. Once you've got all the customers you can get, there's no way for a company to grow anymore and these companies *need* to show growth at their stockholder meetings. So what do they do? They try to squeeze more money out of the customers they already do have. The exact same thing is happening to Google, Meta, Amazon, etc.
@@MrPatrickbuit and infinite growth on a finite planet is not possible. An idiotic financial and economic system that pushes companies towards this should just go away.
@@Mtaalas Unfortunately the world is still very capitalist and the powers that benefit from this system have no motivation to get rid of it.
We are all entrapped by large corporations. People are okay with it because the oppression is being spoon fed to us.
@@Mtaalas Nobody forced these companies to sell shares.
That was the last straw. I switched from Adobe software to Affinity and DaVinci Resolve two weeks ago and I'm really happy with the change. Everything I need is in there and for much much much less money, no subscriptions, no stealing my content. And their lawyers falling short of calling us stupid? Fuck Adobe.
What’s affinity for?
@@Sunny-uf5ndAffinity is a company that offers photo editing and vector graphic softwares without subscription model - you buy it once and you own it.
Though you have to pay for update if you want new features (which is fair.)
Davinci resolve needs to be more popular it's so damn great
I switched to Davinci Resolve 3 years ago, can't believe I didn't do it sooner. Easier to use, more reliable, more powerful (After Effects is essentially built into it, it's called Fusion) and bloody well FREE.
Then Studio is $300 for life...
last time i tried Davinci it wouldnt stop crashing. Same thing with kdenlive. They both required constant restarts to get anything done. Are you on windows?
I do work-for-hire. When you do work-for-hire, your customer gets a copyright to the work you did when you receive payment. Several of my clients have asked that I stop using Adobe products because they do not wish to give another company a license to use their copyrighted material.
Adobe’s gaslighting here is telling you to “trust them.” But my clients are firm. They are telling me to quit using Adobe products.
I'm an urbanism student. Got a message today saying my license has ended. A 1-year license that I bought 9 months ago. So did every other student that has a license, no matter how long ago they bought it. Hope they fix this ASAP. Didn't get a notification of new terms (yet) though.. But maybe the license is "ending" because they want to force you to get a new license, with the new terms
If you live in the US, send a notice and proof of this as a complaint to the FTC. They should (and often do) take action on your behalf.
Affinity Designer, Publisher, and Photo were the answer for me. I ditched Adobe two years ago. I've never looked back.
It’s so much better. My reason for going affinity was bec I didn’t want to spend 900+ a year for adobe. It’s a joke spending that much when affinity photo is 50 quid. it’s way more user friendly when wanting to do basic things as well. Affinity is just a no brainer.
Does Affinity Publisher v2 allow object style presets like InDesign? I remember testing v1 and you could only create text styles. Object styles are essential if you have hundreds or thousands of objects and you'd like to change them by editing one preset.
Let me get this straight.... Change the terms and conditions with the only option to 'Accept and Continue'. If you do not A and C and want to now cancel your subscription(because you cannot use it) you are charged a cancellation fee? Crooks!
You can get around the cancelation fee. It took me 55 minutes though.
I had a yearly subscription which renewed itself a day before I was made aware of this issue. The 600€ or whatever are still not sent back, so I'll probably have to contact my bank to do so..
Thank you for the video.I just canceled my account. Also found out that they ninja changed my subscription fee to 3x and upon canceling the account. They took a cancellation fee thats worth 12 month of original monthly fee. Bye Adobe.
Governments around the world need to do far more to stop the bad practices of huge companies. Governments have fallen too far behind in understanding and regulating the "Wild West" that is the internet. Online companies from facebook to google have been in the Vanguard of abusing its users for years, well done to Sasha for calling Adobe out!
they could care less about screwing over people - but screwing over the government? **that** is something you just don't do.
What no they can't stop the flow of money from these companies to their pockets
The problem is actually worse. Western governments are actively regulating the internet for the benefit of themselves and these megacorporations. The corporations collaborate to censor citizens, and the government in turn does things that prevent competition. It is a mutually beneficial relationship that screws over regular people for the benefit of the few.
Governments dont care, where do you think these politicians get their money??? They get paid maybe $200k a year and become millionaires when leaving office. Doesnt take a rocket scientist to see where all that extra money came from, selling out America and the people.
The internet was invented for this very purpose. It's not because they love people.
The REALLY annoying thing for me when I went to cancel was you cannot click 'Continue' on the cancelation process WITHOUT selecting a feedback reason! The list of reasons is BS too. That is illegal in the UK. You cannot force someone to give feedback to cancel a service unless it's in the contract, which it is not.
I just did cancel without a reason.
Were they still allowing you to cancel. In my experience you have to jump through so many hoops just to cancel
@@eatingalienbrains I just did. I had downgraded to just Acrobat a few days ago, then I cancelled Acrobat an hour ago.
@@eatingalienbrains They didn't make it easy to find the cancellation area.
@@eatingalienbrains I'm using PDF Expert to replace Acrobat. $79 a year, instead of $240 a year for Acrobat.
I love how these companies ruin their reputation for profits.
Get your popcorn
And as predictable as it may be, when they don't have profits as expected the suits will fire people on the ground to cut costs and ta da, profit numbers look good again. The facepalm of how bad the managements of companies actually run them is becoming criminally negligent.
Shareholders are fine with killing companies for a quick buck. It's kinda what they do. Nothing is sacred.
That’s why I pirate their software. After they blocked my license and wanted me to upgrade Photoshop CC version with a subscription. So, if they do that, it’s ethically alright for me to just pirate their CC version of software and just block the Internet connectivity for that app to keep stuff safe.
The ire of this video completely encapsulates the feeling every creative person has towards all companies who have been treating us like nobodies for so freaking long. Time to take a stand. I’m sick and tired of corporations taking advantage of us and I’m not gonna take it anymore!!!
I was an Adobe customer for 8 years. I canceled the subscription a year ago, I hated that I did not own what I payed for.
I will never return to this shitty company ever again.
I use intellij products. I pay ~200€ a year for them. The good thing is, if I cancel my subscription I get a "fall-back license". Every version I payed a whole year for stays in posession for eternity. If I pay for 2025, I get all Softwareupdates from that year permanently. If I want, I can pay for 2026, but I don't have to.
This is how you make this payment model work for both sides.
Adobe took a lot of cash from me for Photoshop. I tried to cancel my service multiple times and they kept charging me. It went on for years. Twice I had to ask my bank to reject Adobe charges. They suck.
I had been subscribed adobe for 2 years due to university study.
I thought the student discount price were the same for every year. However for the third year, the subscription price rise to the same for normal subscription. It make me very angry and unsubscribed immediately
if buying isn't owning, pirating isn't stealing, and honestly don't even bother to pirate it, because there's other free options. i am a photographer and been using lightroom for years now but i replaced it recently with dark table, yes it is harder and take more time to learn but you'll get the same result if not better
Adobes new company mission statement is ....
"You will own nothing and be happy"... 🙄
Thats everyone's new mission statement because their are a very small amount of private investors that basically own everything and its their wishes to stay in control
I doubt anyone there said anything about happy customers.
@@jmp7624 control of what? Lol this doesn’t make any sense..
@@hyperreal Control of basically everything... Look up the big 3 investor companies that own majority shares in every top company. The investors force companies to push what they want. The same investors that own the food industry, also owns big pharma, banks, hospitals, and so many other companies. They also own Nvidia, Adobe, and more big tech companies. These investor companies control everything and they buy up shares in every other large company so they can remain in control and push their ideas.
Where else would subscription services come from but the WEF.
As someone who works in IT, and frequently has to fix Adobe for users, I don't know how Adobe can steal any work from anyone as by all accounts its broken so fucking often they can't use it.
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I always pirated PS, AI, AE and nothing ever broke on me lmao, looks like paid version is far worse than cracked.
@@artsubskrypcjeart61yup, that's often the case with games as well. Pirates/repackers often apply additional patches and fixes, as well as cut out unnecessary and scammy stuff
@@wildmaknae_ Fr, the only time a cracked Photoshop version worked like shite for me, was when I used the "free trial" crack method, and pretty much took the program raw, no additional patches or fixes or anything. 20 euros for Clip Studio's perpetual license fixed my problem for ever, but still.....raw Photoshop is a piece of shite.
Adobe made it hell for me to cancel my subscription, they remove the option to cancel my subscription , every time I come to cancel they saying there is pending payment forcing me to pay.... ok no problem but they deliberately , after payment still not giving me the option for another day, making me forget about it till the next payment 😂
How is this even legal, what if you're working on something NDA-protected and Adobe scraped that.
It's a good question. I was wondering something similar. I'm no lawyer. But legally as I understand it, the person or business who clicks accept on those terms with Adobe is then in technically in breach of their NDA. So he's right about being held to ransom.
Same problem exists with Microsoft doing periodic screen captures. What if the work you're doing requires security clearance? They just caused you to violate security rules.
Not a lawyer, but I think it simply means it is not legal to use Adobe software if you are under NDA.
Only you get affect by the punishment of that NDA contract, It's your choice to use Adobe and agree with their term of use,
@@potato9832 Yes / Oui; make sure that Copilot AI & Recall aren't enabled / keep making sure they are turned off and try to bypass using M/Soft, e.g., Linus OS, OpenOffice, etc
its literally impossible to cancel adobe without a cancellation fee. Even if you pay for a full year. Then try to cancel on the last day, they'll still charge you a cancellation fee. There's no point in which you have a few hours between your subscription ending to it renewing where you can cancel. it just auto renews the moment it ends. preventing you from cancelling without paying a fee.
Yup...and you can't cancel without selecting one of the BS 'feedback' experience options.
Downgrade your plan to a single app. You have 14 days to cancel your account. So downgrade, then cancel it. No ETF. I just did it.
As Theresa said above, proceed to the cancellation up until the point where they offer you a new subscription. Accept that one. Then cancel that within the “change your mind” period. It’s a loophole that still works.
@@olutobii Damn! Now we need loopholes to cancel subscriptions...
5 people in a row… so dense
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I pirate their stuff. Pricing is a joke. Fuck that subscription model
Good idea
Is it fairly straightforward in the age of creative cloud? I binned adobe off for Affinity when my copy of CS2 stopped working
I hate subscription models for software so much. Their annual subscription fee should be what pays for a lifetime license.
You pay for a lifetime license, then you buy additional upgrades if you want to. That's how it used to be, and that's how it _should_ be.
Any brotha can I dm you somewhere? I’ve been looking to do this but dk where to start
As a software developer, I don't usually condone piracy.. but in this case, I absolutely understand - they do not deserve peoples money.
Dumped Adobe! Now a DaVinci Resolve Studio user. I wish nothing but bad things to Adobe.
"we cant grant you a refund as your purchase from 3 days ago is older than 2 weeks". gave them a sob story and got the refund.
They got their hand caught in the cookie jar. On June 12th, a opt-out checkmark was removed from Photoshop's settings in the Software Improvement Setting: "I give Adobe permission to use my images and associated data to train Adobe's generative Al models."
I left when they went subscription-only. Never looked back.
Same!!
What do u use now?
That was a while ago (I know because I stopped using it then as well lol)
@@Sunny-uf5nd most people use cracked versions of older Adobe tools
Left them 10 years ago and never looked back
for me, the simple fact that a company that creates software for ARTISTS is closing in on anything related to AI generated crap (which is against ARTISTS) is all the evidence I need to understand this company does not deserve any single cent from me. Same thing as Artstation. Imagine being the biggest platform for hosting artists' work and then you decide to give them the finger and allow your platform to be overrun by AI, including the marketplace. All these companies deserve instant bankruptcy to learn their lesson.
Well said! I dont understand why more artists dont get this point. I can't and won't support any company that supports or promotes AI period.
I actually worked for adobe for a number of years - as a front line support tech and later as a tier 3 support person (ie - the one guy literally who could do stuff) and for the lawyers to have made a video suggests your post really shook them (I was there in the CS3-CS6 days). Usually you only heard from them when there was a pending lawsuit and they didn't want emails with specific words to show up in discovery.
and imagine - those days (cs3-cs6) adobe was still considered as legit company. Support was not outsourced to some Bangladesh 3rd party. No damn software "rental" and no annoying cloud services
@@unitradwa8314why can’t it be a legit company while outsourcing ?
@@unitradwa8314 Well support was outsourced - for a long time it was done by Stream in Beaverton. When they absorbed Macromedia - their support was done in the Philippines. After the merger they migrated everything to India where its largely handled by an outsourcing company (I can't remember who). When I applied to become a tier 3 tech - that was working for Adobe directly - you can see my name in the credits in help about for some products.
@@unitradwa8314 I actually first started there as a tech working for their outsourcing partner in Beaverton. It wasn't until a few years after they absorbed Macromedia (who did their support in Philippines) that they started moving tier 1 support to India. When I became a tier 3 tech it was for Adobe directly. It was a genuinely fun place to work :).
The future is looking worse and worse.
Surely this is what GDPR and privacy law is all about, giving people the option to opt into what they share.
There has to be a lawsuit in this and that is why they are backtracking massively.
Well done Sasha for calling this bs out.
GDPR is more about the security of personally identifiable data not about content like this, and you'd be signing away your rights by agreeing to the license conditions.
@@FrostSpike True but two GDPR bits are relevant.
1. The data subject gave you specific, unambiguous consent to process the data. (e.g. They’ve opted in to your marketing email list.)
If you are saying opt in or you can’t access your projects that is not unambiguous.
2. Data subjects can withdraw previously given consent whenever they want, and you have to honor their decision. You can’t simply change the legal basis of the processing to one of the other justifications.
You can’t have a force opt in system and if that was allowed, anyone should be able to opt out at a later date if they choose.
Expect more consumer abuse, citizen abuse, and employee abuse now that Chevron Deference has been repealed.
Adobe has been sick with greed for more than a decade. *But really sick are the Abobe customers who have paid so much money every month to get standard Software.*
Boycott Adobe.