Military-style academies for youth can work - Karen Chhour | Q+A 2024
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ก.ค. 2024
- Children's Minister Karen Chhour says while New Zealand has tried military-style academies in the past, it needs to better support young people as they return to the community.
The Minister is expected to release more details about the academies and efforts to address youth offending soon.
Chhour also outlined why the Government wants to repeal Section 7AA of the Oranga Tamariki Act, which was introduced to address the over-representation of Māori children in state care, despite advice to the contrary.
00:27 - Why are Māori tamariki overrepresented in state care?
01:03 - Why the Government wants to repeal Section 7AA of the Oranga Tamariki Act
02:53 - Other sections of the Oranga Tamariki Act
04:10 - What empirical evidence does the Children's Minister have about the need to repeal Section 7AA?
09:20 - Who has Oranga Tamariki partnered with as a result of Section 7AA?
11:06 - What may repealing Section 7AA mean for young people's safety?
12:20 - Why did the Waitangi Tribunal issue a summons for Minister Karen Chhour to give evidence before an urgent inquiry?
13:30 - Young Serious Offender category
16:20 - Military-style academies for serious youth offenders - will it work?
Join Jack Tame and the Q+A team and find the answers to the questions that matter. Made with the support of NZ on Air.
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Good on you Karen, one child sent back to their abusers is one too many! The law should not be restrictive that it pushes a single child back into that environment, one child is one too many..
It’s clearly stated 4A is paramount, when that is not adhered to sufficiently then the blame is on OT, not 7AA
Absolutely unbelievable, sending kid’s back to there abusers, what the hell is wrong with this country.
@@shaayd12 except the cultural aspect was being incorporated into 4A. Some had the view that “wellbeing” included a high level of priority be given to cultural considerations because 7AA encourages that narrative
@@Gumpmachine1 and that’s true, except 4a says safety is paramount. End of story. If the investigation is done properly they’d find that going back to family is not safe in some circumstances. Culture should be taken in to account but it does not trump safety and that’s stated clearly.
@@shaayd12 so we can surmise with the pressures to fulfil 7AA that 4A was skimmed over. These examples are the tip of the iceberg.
Makes me wonder how many other children are in cultural placements where safety is barely being met because of the paranoia of looking racist.
There’s also an argument that “culture” could be argued to be a safety consideration of a child.
Come on Jack...a couple of instances is a couple too many when it comes to small babies who can't defend themselves...Kahui Twins, Nia Glazie, Baby Ru are more than a couple...too many heartbreaking instances that could have been prevented 😢😢😢...Love your work Karen & your genuine care for childrenn...
No mention of the South African white woman that murdered her 3 children just Maori OK now I can see your bias 😮
@@stephenlennon7369yes because Māori are being used in this instance as the reason to oppose such a law change.
If it was Europeans complaining that European children were being put in safe happy Māori homes then you’d have a point.
No empirical evidence only what she feels and what conversations she has had…BS! She’s just farting from her mouth! Don’t believe anything she says!
@@stephenlennon73692 thirds of children in state care are Maori. Maori are 17 percent of the population. That's the problem!!.
@@chriskiwi2601 that why 7aa needs to stay in place to fix these inequities this happens to all Indigenous population colonized by the British.
You have all our support Karen!!.
Beautiful hearted women!!. Much Aroha to you Karen.
Come on Jack. Get with the program.
He is an activist
Whose program? Atlas Network?
Karen needs to get with the program, she doesn’t even know what empirical evidence is lol
Come on Jack us your brain!
Isn't the issue to deal with the staff who are making poor decisions rather than repealing the section which appears to be part of what the direction is taking by Government away from Maori culture. Isn't this exactly the same kind of issue that meant toxic staff members weren't dealt with by the Government Departments and continued to be employed , to not be charged and fired and therefore to continue to offend against children and young people ? These same people contributed to a wider culture of abuse and some of them still work for the Government. Once again it is avoidance of dealing with the rotten core - which is their own staff.
And so now Karen Chour says there will be good oversight of youth justice facilities where the boot camps will be held. This Karen Chour seems to think rests on her say so and on more "professional" staff - I think Karen - you need to make sure what you have got, is working first before you set up something which isn't empirically supported and is going to create more enraged young people. All because the reason why these kids are so enraged with society, seems too hard to address... because it leads right back to Oranga Tamariki and Abuse by Government organisations and faith providers.
Spot on
Absolutely correct and there are correct ways to deal with staff not following appropriate practices
Good on you Karen. You are a caring person and it’s coming through
Caring doesn’t mean fit for purpose
Why are there so many Karen supporters in here saying she is a caring person and it shows? Was this a talking point put out to you all? Wgaf if she is a caring person, the policies she is introducing have ALREADY been tried and failed.
Doing the same ish and expecting a different result is insanity.
All that comes through us a person who thinks her life experience should shape government policy for all NZ. She comes across as a very ignorant person who has no regard for impirical evidence and us driven entirely by anecdote. The VERY WORST kind of MP
Stay together New Zealand
We are being corrupted
What do you mean were are being corrupted and from what?
@@chrismckellar9350 Communism
@@Colin_Izer1111 - What do you mean communism?
Tame weaponises Article 4 Shame
Article 4 of what?
Weaponises ? It’s just a fact, section 4 should be adhered to as paramount. It’s clear some weren’t doing their jobs.
Scary thing is she’s only highlighting the obvious examples
How many other children were placed into homes that were worse than other options because of cultural considerations but because they were never abused they simply never showed up on the radar.
Jack couldn’t care less about positive change. Good to see some practical solutions being put in place.
Jack! you dont even listen to Karens answers.Are you not interested? This woman is gold.
Because he is reading a script and no he is not interested.
Jack seems to thrive on being a bit of a dick,maybe he is just trying a bit to hard.
Jack, you're a joke. Preconceived bias, ill-informed, unwilling to hear, just robotic script. You're painful
Looking for loop holes is Jack. Get with the rest of 80% of New Zealanders. Karen cares. Cant you you see that Jack!!
80% how’d you come to that figure ? How many party votes did act get ?
He IS with 80% of Kiwis. It is Karen and presumably people such as yourself who base arguments on hearsay and anecdote. The vast majority of Kiwis know that boot camps don't work. The impirical evidence of children who have gone through state care is of harm and abuse. If you're going to base your statements on ignorance this is where real harm occurs
Go Karen, opening the can of worms that so badly needs opened. The conditions that these kids come from most of New Zealand can't imagine or believe. Karen is saying all of the things that a person with the right mindset to fix this should be saying. Time the rubbish stopped.
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@@Hendrixqv4qj
Give some dialogue 🤡
@@mauricem.c4986 🐷🐷🐷
Karen Chour is proving to be the most caring and unwavering Minister promoting the real interests of vulnerable children. It is time the media start supporting the interests of children rather the woke left.
@@JackNZer This party literally has history of offending against minors they shouldn’t be anywhere near our tamariki!!🤢
@@gumdigger7595 there’d be no one to look after children if we held everyone to that standard
History is a rough business
@@Gumpmachine1 Really?!….So how many others have convictions for sex offenses against children or snap chatting under age kids?!🤨
@@gumdigger7595 just about everyone has a connection to someone they know or are related to that has abused children to some extent or is dodgy if you look hard enough and go far back enough back.
@@Gumpmachine1These pedofiles literally had a name for it “Honey Pots”….this offending was allowed to continue because the victims weren’t being listened too and gaslighted just like you are doing now,in particular indigenous peoples in the colonies.🙄
Go Karen you are such a caring person, but strong too cos to come up against this load of rubbish like jack going on, he should be applauding your move on children coming first
You can see she is caring, doesn’t mean she’s correct
@@shaayd12she’s not wrong
@@arohanui922 Karen or the commenter ?
“But they’re impulsive”. Pull your head in Tame
Your response has left me with questions...
What was it about the part of the interview about boot camps and impulsive teenagers that have you responding like you have?
What experience do you have supporting the youth that may well end up populating boot camps?
What do you know about brain development?
I thought it was a pretty respectful exchange in which the Minister was challenged and given the opportunity to respond. I was certainly interested to know how a punishment will deter impulsive crime committing teenagers. That way I can have a more informed view / opinion.
lol it’s pretty clear what he was saying. You can’t deter people who rely on impulsivity.
@@shaayd12Of course you can, you just need quick and consistent repercussions as well as wraparound support.
Karen you are such a breath of fresh air.
And absolutely abhorrent questions from leftie Jack.
Well done Karen. ❤
Let's just do something that actually works.
Countries like Norway ,Sweden etc have recidivism rates from about 20% to 35% while ours is well over 70% so the big question is instead of the old "we are going to get tough" rhetoric why not actually go to those countries that have successful schemes and study in detail what they are doing then begin to implement it here?
Just for the record countries with less than half our recidivism rates do not use "boot camps" in fact quite the opposite.Interesting Karen never named one country with hard evidence boot camps work.
Another fact many don't know or just refuse to acknowledge is youth crime rates between 2010 to 2018 reduced by 58% and have continued to show slight decline since 2018(figures from ministry of Justice).
This is merely political posturing to their voting base but sadly it is a costly exercise doomed to failure.
Yes let just keep going down the softly- softly road that has never worked, that makes perfect sense.
And I think you'll find in those countries they don't incentivise single parent breeding as we do here? It all starts in the home and if you don't know that, do some research. Start with someone like, Dr Thomas Sowell - he's well qualified; he's old and wise; he's black and had to work his way to the top; and he knows a huge amount more than the vast majority of us will ever hope to know. I think he would support Karen Chhour in her endeavours.
@@olliemoose2020 Is Norway's way "softly softly" some may think prisoners confronting what they have done and taking ownership for change etc is tougher than route marches at boot camps.Trouble is what we are doing is not working and history shows getting tougher fails but hey if you like high re offending rates meaning more victims plus huge on going costs to the taxpayer so be it but it is very short sighted.
it costs around 200k to keep a prisoner in jail per year.Every offender that doesn't reoffend saves us all a LOT of money so it is almost insane not to at least try systems that are proven to work .
It has now been divulged these boot camps are going to cost a mind boggling 500k per inmate(yes $500,000) = likely a huge waste of money.
@@peteryoung4306 Geez your blaming solo parents for what exactly? Careful your prejudices are surfacing.Actually countries like Sweden /Norway and others have far more socialist policies than us while anyone can find an "expert" to support their views it doesn't mean they are correct but statics don't tell lies.
Let's take one example of change.USA has very tough prisons across their country with very poor rates of successfully changing inmates resulting in the highest incarceration rates in the world at a huge cost to society and a populous that like you believes the tougher the penalties the better.
However In 2018 a Pennsylvania prison started a program called "Mini Scandinavia" obviously based on countries like Norway / Finland etc.At first prison staff were extremely skeptical but even though it is still early days now they have changed completely having far less stressful work places and a lot of job satisfaction as they see offenders change with a high percentage not returning as in the past.
The Scandinavian way is more expense to start with but the savings in the years to follow are immense in both less prisoners (a staggering 200k per year for every prisoner in NZ) and of course the number of victims of crime drops dramatically as well which is the ultimate success.
However if you must and it helps you feel better or whatever you keep your 18th century ideas along with this backward looking Govt being happy paying more for over flowing prisons and the cost to victims which is immeasurable.
I believe it is bordering on a criminal act to continue programs with very low success rates at immense cost to taxpayers when other systems are available that over time will save tax payers billions.
Karen is a warm hearted woman. She remembered me 2 weeks after I saw and spoke and met her for the first time and said hi
Where are these magic caring staff coming from? Pretty sure it's not military or corrextions staff and can't be oranga tamariki staff. It will be interesting to see where the carefully selected staff who will do better will be.
Forensic nurses working with psychologists psychiatrists social workers occupational therapists
Jack what’s wrong with using select process for giving and taking feedback from all interested parties. Your pushing water up hill and not focusing on the wellbeing of young people
Select committee process is fine. Problem is the coalition isn’t listening.
Damn the lack of public knowledge for the intersection of child development, history, and social determinants of health is apparent in the comments. It’s so deeply concerning that this women doesn't know what “empirical evidence” is and provides anecdotal evidence in response
Agree. Some of our citizens have been conditioned to click bait and populist slogans and rhetoric. The ability to critically engage and be research, evidence informed is not there. 😞
For example a lack of awareness of trauma informed practice seems to be lacking.
I can only speak for myself, but i have read widely and come to the conclusion that a lot of academic literature that is promoted these days is a load of monsense. Im not ignorant of it, I just think is a load of nonsense
@@josephl9619 respect your view. For me the important thing is that you have engaged, done some reading and gone from there. Not every piece of research etc is going to be relevant, meaningful or fit for purpose, but you have engaged critically and made your own mind up. I just think it's really important at the moment to not take things at face value. Integrity and honesty seem to be waning, especially in our political sphere, in my opinion.
Not everyone bashers their kid's some good family members end up getting bad name because of allegations that aren't even true but it damages family members and complete stranger's are sometimes to blame.
stop giving your kids the bash instead of blaming the gov.
Dumb.
Safety and common sense first.Not where or group the child come from..Call out the separatists Tame....
Sounds like someone who doesn’t know anything about what it’s like to be Māori
I don't think everyone have any ideas to child's welfare some kids get removed from parents but grand parents are also not being used as a choice either because the system rather take the children out from their whanau and place with complete stranger's before trying other family members.
That’s because the grandparents in some cases are no better than the parents.
Their best interests is knowing where they come from and to heal the tearing away from their own culture and language. The terrible racism in N Z also does not help. I think that Jane Elliots "Blue Eyes, Brown Eyes" should be shown/practised in every high school.
watching this Jack seems to be just like an AI Bot, asks questions and doesn't listen to the answer, just rolls onto the next question on his list. Keep up the good work Karen.
As a person who has worked with this population alongside highly trained professionals (an area which as been highly under resourced for decades by both govt) I am dismayed that Ms Chhour has chosen to fund the least effective intervention which evidence clearly shows doesn’t work. Yet again this govt is ignoring decades of growth in knowledge base and choosing to tinker with an intervention from decades ago that had dismal outcomes. If Ms Chhour was that “caring” and informed there are far more effective interventions that could be transformative for youth and help break inter generational cycles. However they are expensive, take time, and require highly trained professionals which we have a shortage of. Like the ferries you are being sold worse than a “Toyota”. If Ms Chhour’s was talking with specialists (Psychiatrists/Psychologists/Paediatricians) she would be heavily exposed. These young people deserve need better.
The issue is oranga tamaiki don't follow the Laws. In the case where the baby was uplifted. this mother had a past history with oranga tamariki. Oranga tamariki should have been working with the family prior to birth of the baby. Instead oranga tamariki just showed up after the birth and was going to talk the baby.
Some people should not be allowed to breed, it’s as simple as that.
One of the worst things that happened back in the day was compulsory army training that was stopped by the '72 Labour Govt. Good to see this from the coalition.
Highest suaside rate in the
world blame it 😢 men letting women in government
Statist😢icks read the graphs 😮😮suiaside and politics are related
The coalition government is not re-introducing compulsory military training.
@@chrismckellar9350 Boot camps is what they're doing.
What freak of nature take 🤡
@@chrismckellar9350 Correct, it's boot camps that will be happening.
These kids come from generations of abused kids right back from when this first started happening.... those kids had kids without ever getting help for what was done for them and it is continuing again and again. Shame on you Karen and I appreciate the clarity of your questions, Jack about deterrents and impulsivity.... ask the PTSD survivors from the Vietnam war about impulsivity - under your fairly loose logic Karen - they should have been "cured" of their impulsivity after a bit of military action.
So maybe those kid’s shouldn’t have had kid’s then.
@@olliemoose2020Maybes don't offer solutions to situations, it's about healing the core issues, why do you think humans immerse Selfs in addictions to escape from Pain, loss of self, loss of their humanity through the traumas they have suffer and it remains until released.
Well it might seem with hindsight that that would be best but people who are traumatised are living from the limbic brain and not from the thinking brain. It also ignores the fact that these were kids who were not helped to deal with what happened to them, in many cases at 18 they were just dumped without help by the system. One man talked about being stripped and chained to a post and abused as a kid. Those experiences over time change innocent mischevious kids into enraged teenagers and they are the main causal factors of serious crime later in life. We are quick to blame victims which means that the perpetrators in those boot camps never were removed - some still work for the Government. We don't seem to be able to accept that unless we commit to helping people with that early trauma, we are going to have the same old same old.
Jack no need to scoff in the interview. She is pointing out 7aa is guiding staff. It might be an operational matter but good policy in the act is paramount. Why have a clause that is in conflict with the other clauses . This lady is the most genuine politician doing an incredible job. You appear to be trying to embarrass her, empirical. Grow up.
Modern young people can handle a bit of discipline, many to day think that being in a gang is cool and also think life is like GTA.
Chhour states that they will employ the “right people” to run the boot camps. How many “right people” are needed and how and where will they be recruited from. And will people with the right attributes, skills and experience want the jobs to be offered?
Karen is a breath of fresh air in this role. Especially after the ideological nonsense of the previous government
Well done Karen. You're on track.
Deterrent is a necessary part and providing the opportunity after to get into the work force with good healthy lifestyle. But get them in school to become police Or correction officers. Don't wait at the bottom of the cliff
Plz plz invite jacinda and Ashleigh in to ur show they must answer the questions between 2020 till2022
Maori always complaining how about my people Mori ori
How come your names tongatapu and you have a Tongan mask on in your pic but you’re Moriori ?
Culture is no excuse to fail your children. Culture is no excuse to abuse children or people. Culture not the most important thing for everyone. Individuals is what we are. Kiwis have plenty of access to culture through many avenues in New Zealand not just your blood family.
LSV was a joke, I did it & it put me off joining the army until I met a rifleman from 2/1 who explained that LSV is nothing like the real thing, he was right. I cannot comment on Boot Camps until I know how they´ll run.
LSV changed my life it was amazing, it's all up to the individual at the end of the day
@@paulmills2862 Good for some... Thereś a 22 year old boy that rides around Darfield on a scooter wearing flip flops & his baseball cap backward.... Might be good for someone like him....
Whats wrong with parents taking charge and showing them the universal values
It's the way the system operates
What a great woman.
Now thats a REAL MAORI! Karen 💪
Just how much evidence do you think we need to know what happens to kids in state care. History will repeat
What stupid questions. Step you game up Jack.
There's no need for section 7aa Section 4 (a) Section 13 cover those aspects for children. Section 7aa has the presential to cause damage.
So much more important issues than this. This affects a few kids a year and nothing changes with the options of family involvement.
It stops the abuse
Concerned she is in charge of this. 😮
Why? Are you a racist?
Absolutely and emotional response is not neccesarily effective without the balance of skills needed to bring about change within the department
Jack: "Where is your evidence base?" Karen: i dont know what that means, here is some anecdotal cases i made my decision off.
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Why are our politicians so incompetent?
Most aren't. But that cannot be said of the outlier parties like ACT and Winston First!
Umm one off cases are still empirical evidence, just not of the type he’s asking
No they’re not. Please google empirical data.
@@shaayd12 yes one off examples qualify as empirical as long as they’re observable, verifiable, repeatable (meaning they keep happening).
In this case the evidence she offered would be empirical data that these events do at least occur. Now what we’re arguing about is are they regular enough to require a policy change
No they're not. And by claiming they are you join the ranks of ignorance
@@mikefriend7570 you do realise the fact that everyone acknowledges them as “one off cases” demonstrates they are empirical which means they are considered true because the evidence is very strong, so strong in fact that they can be considered empirical.
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: originating in or based on observation or experience
empirical data
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: relying on experience or observation alone often without due regard for system and theory
an empirical basis for the theory
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: capable of being verified or disproved by observation or experiment
The cases she mentioned fulfilled all these criteria which is why Jack didn’t dispute that her examples were valid, he only claimed that they weren’t enough to establish a trend thereby justifying a policy change
@@Gumpmachine1 lol how can you say they qualify if they’re repeatable ? You said they’re “one-off” therefore not repeatable. One off is one off lol
Great idea. Harden them up for the All Blacks and the Fern's.
80s style academies or 2020 style biiiiìig difference
No other comment because Jack Tame just pisses me off .whoever he interviews.
Seven AA has to go very fact that the section is there is wrong simple as that the waiting that it’s given is disproportionate to the welfare of the child because it’s there there’s a tendency to lean in a direction or put weight into a decision when in fact you need to have that weight lifted in order to be free for the best interest of a child
You can't keep these troubled teenagers roaming the streets causing more havoc. Boot Camp is a good idea. I'm sure each individual will get the Care Empathy Understanding and wrap around service they need. Just because it is called a Boot Camp doesn't mean it is a bad place for these individuals to go to. It will teach them a lot of good positive things to carry with them into the real world however there may have to be some discipline for ones that just don't want to change. Have to try this nothing else has worked.
Karen is doing a best job and as usual james is a great host.
Seriously this minister need to have empirical evidence explained to her!
The a key detail of her education level......
so can apprenticeships
National’s pawn piece
How does someone whose paid to be a politician and is put in such a vital role not know what empirical evidence? Like seriously wtf?
Or someone that can even make even a grammatically sensible comment - like you, you FI.
So, targeting Māori youth, which isn't racist, unlike the Māori Health Authority. According to ACT
Why does the Government NEVER want to address the ROOT CAUSE of the issues. The ROOT CAUSE is the Poverty, the injustice, the pain and the mamae, which is generational. Tamariki are STILL suffering the effects of the injustices their Tipuna suffered 160 years ago. The theft of land, the punishment of their parents and grandparents simply for being maori. Give these whanau their land back! Allow them to live on their land, and potentially gain wealth from that land. Right now we have generational trauma caused by past injustices, of which the leads to generational trauma, in which CLEARLY, the effects are being seen now. Address and deal with the root cause, and stop reacting to the symptoms.
Nah, that's a cop out. Time to start taking responsibility for the actions of our own people and stop blaming the 'white' man for it. Maori have had all the time in the world to resolve problems but we too have become corrupted by temptation and self interest. We have only got ourselves to blame.
Jack’s first question asks why 70% of OT cases are Māori and she never answered that.
Maoridom should be, especially elders, stepping up to solve the issues within Maori society instead of the Maoridom elite having their snouts in the financial troughs instead of blaming colonialism.
Which land do you want back precisely?\
@@timeflowtap the 3.5 million hectares stolen following the war.
If Waitangi Tribunal says no, then yes, if yes, then no.
Karen is awesome
What a simple man. My son was an implosive teen. He didn't break any laws because it was my job to teach him to regulate his actions. Its called parenting. Karen is talking about consequences for the children whose parents have failed them.
So she could just enforce 4A with Orange Tamariki but instead is getting rid of 7AA in a hope that it will change everything, not impressed.
"Conversations I've had around the country" is not gunna cut it chick.
Your interviews, Jack, always demonstrate who you support politically. You are part of the problem.
Dont like your team being questioned? Thats sad. If you bothered to watch any other JT interviews you would see he questions everyone the same
@@benmunckhof-swain4493 It's not about teams. It's about a healthy society where opinions can be shared fairly. The media is certainly not fair when it comes to opinions, which is why most of these media companies are getting the axe they deserve.
lol he does this to everyone. Did you not see him grill Chloe a few weeks back. Dude pull your pants up your shitty bias is showing
Seriously what is wrong with this guy...asks for empirical evidence regarding the repeal of section 7AA, Karen provides it (mind you her argument is built on empirical evidence), he proceeds to push harder for empirical evidence to support her case.
I don't think he knows what empirical evidence even is...🤔
Seriously, where do we find these people.
Empirical evidence, information gathered directly or indirectly through observation or experimentation that may be used to confirm or disconfirm a scientific theory or to help justify, or establish as reasonable, a person’s belief in a given proposition.
Tame has no idea , he lives in a privileged, rarified atmosphere
And how many children does he have?: None that I'm aware of, and thank goodness if he has any say on our future.
A social worker that doesnt want to speak up, why are they then responsible for children, grow a backbone.
You go for it Karen, the majority of Kiwis are with you.
That's a complete false hood. ACT secured 8.6% of the party vote in 2023. The absolute majority of NZ knows that ACT is an outlier party with extreme views that are not liked.
This guy has no clue 😢 it’s easy to claim nothing works, well let’s try and let’s give them consequences it’s obvious their parents and wider family either encourage this and if they can’t handle them than step aside and stop having children. You have obligations as an adult and if you are too useless to handle it than don’t complain.
This is a prime example of someone who cannot listen. 7AA is clearly a staff issue, if things go wrong it is solely on the staff. 4A says safety is paramount. That should be the end of the story. If the kids aren’t safe going back to whānau then they shouldn’t, plain and simple. If it is deemed safe and the investigation is conducted properly there shouldn’t be any issue. Therefore it’s a OT issue.
In terms of camps, there is vast evidence that does not support this working. This makes the kids hate the system even more and does not fix long term issues that many youth offenders have faced their whole lives. You can’t, un-traumatize with further trauma. And to jacks point about abuse, with the defence force involved (who are definitely not qualified youth carers) who’s to say what may happen.
It’s clear Karen will not budge on her pre determined thoughts and opinions, even when shown evidence and advice given by experts. Newsflash having experienced state care doesn’t mean you’re fit to make decisions for the rest of those who are going to experience it in the future.
Come on, people, why start with Maori culture ..
Look at that devastating, unforgiven incident (baby) that was taken by a Muslim just recently .So all cultures need to be looked at ..l have many,many pakeha friends and they can tell some horrifying stories of child abuse too .
Also, some military camps or what ever this government is trying to get up and running could also trigger some horrifying past traumas for these venerable teenagers ,children .
LSV is great
The reason is because part Māori are way over represented in the criminal statistics, thing’s have to change.
Jack doesn't know zip. How many kids has he raised? None to my knowledge, so why listen to he who has no experience?
Jack, You keep saying that teens are impulsive , so deterrence doesn't work. This is at best wrong, and at worst a lie. As an impusive teen, i weighed carefully the consequences of my actions before I broke the law. There were certain crimes i would not go near, because of the consequences were greater than the price i was willing to pay
LSV works better now as a volunteer programme.
When it was directed or court mandated, it was a shocking poss poor behaviour for the types of children we’re talking about here.
Having a military boot camp as part of the current YJ facilities which have been widely rrovreee as a failure and recommended to close.
This lady is talking around in circles. Focuses on deterrents in media cos that’s what appeals to simple minds
Per who. Park up get gaslighted or ignored. Bullied or whistleblowing it self at financial risk loss of job takes guts stand up against system
Jack it's not about multiple reasons it's about preventing what happening in the child's best interest and well being ask everyone who's been icare what they feel and you will know what Karen speaks is fact and truth it's in the flaws of staff and there needs to be ccountability on a governance level the government is accountability to all corporations so uphold the law 🤌🙌💯💯
Who tf says a child’s case is a “ONE OFF” that’s a child’s life. Don’t belittle the children’s experiences, jack.
And Jack Tame, where is the empirical evidence that putting Maori children back under the care of Maroi, results in better outcomes? There is none! But there's plenty of evidence in our prison populations and infant deaths that suggest otherwise.
You disagree but what evidence can you provide to substantiate that opinion?!🙄
Boot camps dont work. Children taken away from family doesnt work. Removing children and the sending them away from abusive family already happens. Parents and children arent aloud any contact.
Its been happening for along time the taking of children.
Its complicated and of coarse the child must come first. However every Maori child I know that was taken was no better off for it. Because Maori will always go home if they can. Korero of Maori in state care and some foster care is terrible and under reported.
The South African woman, how sad. She asked for held. From a well supported religious community. Nice whare and yet it happens .
Saying Maori are going to a safe happy loving home is sad. Any parent would want that.
Support and syrengthening families is key. There is nothing out there if you ask for help. I know many maori who have felt overwhelmed ask for help and end up in a full on investigation and shamed. Why not promote ...its okay to ask for help before its to late. All nz suffer in silence. We all need to just care again about everyone no matter young , old or in between.
Haha give me the evidence nononno not that evidence wp jack
God jack doesn't live in the real world going on about section A this section that.Not at any time acknowledging children are being killed or hurt.what a tool.
Yes it can work,but if there is no support at home when training is complete what then?like prisoners who leave prison if no support is there they revert back to their old ways,at least it’s a start further analysis is required,this idiot interviewer is not assisting but shows the news nil interest and is attacking the effort.
Karen says the Waitangi tribunal has done some great work righting wrongs from the past but wouldn’t front the tribunal on 7aa so they can do great work in preventing the wrong happening in the first place. Karen being so ridged in her thinking will prohibit good outcomes.
Jack Tame just wants to argue for the sake of it. It is obvious that some maori homes are not safe and children should never be returned there. Karen is the minister and she has identified a problem and is going to fix it contrary to what airy fairy Jack has to say.
Multi culture is the problem,it can only best be done by the rules and laws that colonial democracy brings.
Loooool multiculturalism is a problem ? That’s straight out racism haha
Firstly, empirical evidence is for scientific theories, not for evidence of human nature gone wrong. Secondly, the fact is- young people are impulsive, so the solution to do nothing that Jack is implying is nonsensical. Jack you are very woke and showing some ignorance, please wake up!
Jack is a very arrogant guy!!. He really doesn't care & has made it very clear, how he dislikes Maori. Get a grip Jack!!.
No he doesn't. He's very respectful of Maori.
He sucks up to Māori…he is pathetic and goes soft on anything black
I mean he married some bitsa…who had been bred up and had a kid before he got to her…
@@rainmaster7212 What the F does that mean?? His profession is fair game, not his family.
The most unifying language that we have is English. Most people understand English. A ministry of the child is a western institution and should have an English title.
National first boot cam program worked. It worked to stop recidivism in younger Offenders. Jack should think about his own logic. Young people are impulsive yes… but not all young people ram raid shops do they?
Come on Jack, disingenuous interviewing, you know that legislating Oranga Tamariki to put the child’s interest first and actually doing that are very different. Good job Karen, any idiot can see you want the best for disadvantaged children, except Jack.
stop blame game on maori karen you know well its your childrens department and your polocies that keep our tamariki in prisons.. socioeconomics racial denial housing income get over it stop the bull crap did you work in this department b4 you come on board as a politician come on..
Your tamariki and mokopuna are in prison, because they break the law and that's because they know no better. Perhaps if their parents lived together and were better role models they wouldn't have this problem?
Woke Lame Jack Tame
Karen and Seymour, not popular with the Maori vote so they are not real advocates of Maori.
Impulsive YOU ARE JACK!!!.
I'm not convinced you are working with Iwi Karen. You have upset many Maori with your rhetoric, TPM for one who represent many Maori, not you or your party.
TPM Got 3% of the vote. 20% of the population are Maori. It's more accurate to say they represent a small minority of Maori
TPM don't represent anywhere near as many Maori as you make out they do.
TPM are nothing but an embarrassment to Māori and the country.
Seems from the other responses, you're a bit of an idiot and have read the room and results quite wrong? TPM do not speak for Maori.
@@peteryoung4306 Couldn't care less what you think. When you resort to personal attacks you fail.